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islamirama
12-20-2008, 07:09 AM
The International Backers of the Mumbai Attacks

Les Blough, Editor. Axis of Logic



November 26, 2008



November 26, 2008, Axis of Logic - Reuters states that at least 80 people have been killed and that, "An organisation calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen claimed it was behind attacks". CNN television is already stating as fact that the Mumbai attacks were funded and supported by foreign sources, implicating Pakistan where President-elect Obama promised to take the so-called "war on terrorism" when he assumes office in January. The attacks which are on-going at this moment set the stage for redeployment of U.S. troops from Iraq to Pakistan as Obama promised. George W. Bush has been quick to condemn the attacks and CNN is giving round-the-clock coverage, reminiscent of corporate media coverage of the 9/11 attacks in the United States.

Linking Pakistan, Al-Queda, Muslims and Terrorism

CNN, Reuters and other corporate media immediately called these attacks with bombs, automatic weapons and hand grenades "terrorist attacks" emanating from Pakistan with roots in "Al Queda" and "Islamist Terrorists". CNN TV also states that these attacks target "western business people and well-heeled western tourists", staying at Mumbai's luxury hotels. The Deccan Herald states that the Deccan Mujahideen claimed responsibility via a convenient e-mail message received by the Deccan Herald (DC). DC states,

"The term itself (Deccan Mujahideen) is not very specific, and according to CNN may just be a generic term for radicals in the region. 'Deccan' is an area of India and 'Mujahideen' is the plural form of a term referring to a Muslim participating in a jihad."

Associated Press described the attackers,
"Teams of heavily armed gunmen stormed luxury hotels, a popular restaurant and a crowded train station in coordinated attacks across India's financial capital Wednesday night, killing at least 78 people and taking Westerners hostage, police said. A group of suspected Muslim militants claimed responsibility."

Reuters describes them, "The previously unknown or little known group sent an email to news organisations claiming responsibility." This is a familiar attribution to "terrorist attacks" which, because the organisation is "unknown", noone can prove otherwise. CNN TV states emphatically, "This is definitely an international attack using domestic terrorists". We have no doubt that the latter statement is true but the question is, "Who are those international backers of these attacks?"

International backing and support

Modern criminal investigation still rests on the Aristotile's 3 equally important causal factors: Means, Method and Motivation.

Factor analysis - Means, Method and Motivation: Powerful western media organisations reinforce their opinions with repetition, linking assaults like these with former "Islamist attacks" and another "terrorist attack". Their logic and factor analysis use (1) the weapons used, (2) the similarity of past attacks by "Al Queda" and (3) motivation. But of course they never consider the possibility, based on this same factor analysis, that the architects may be the CIA and/or Mossad.

Means: That the most powerful military machine in the world has the means to arm groups like the one who is carrying out the Mumbai attacks requires no apology or defense.

Method: History is replete with examples of U.S./Israeli use of a surrogate to attack their enemies. William John Fox pointed this out in his exemplary analysis, Deliver Us From Chaos: Ten Political Commandments. In 1953 they used domestic terrorism to overthrow Mohammad Mosaddeq, former Prime Minister of Iran. They used the Afghan Mujahideen to attack Russia in the same year of their resistance. The CIA and the U.S. ambassador secretly engineered the "Rose Revolution" in Georgia in 2003 and "the U.S. encouraged the Israeli-trained Georgian army to invade the disputed enclave of South Ossetia five years later".

Motivation: The only difference between the factors used by the capitalist media and ours is motivation. Regarding motivation, CNN states "they (Deccan Mujahideen) want to create as much damage and attention to themselves as possible". CIA/Mossad are masters at destruction, but the last thing they want is bringing attention to themselves. Motivation for the U.S. to take it's war to Pakistan fits perfectly with these attacks. As a matter of fact, Barack Obama and Joe Biden already declared their intention to take the war to Pakistan and stated with certainty that Obama's "mettle would be tested" by a major international "incident" in the near future. If the perpetrators want to draw attention to themselves, their method (i.e. killing civilians), simply does not make sense unless one buys the Bush regime's religion-based simplism that they are simply "evil". Militant's fighting for causes such as independence or national sovereignty want least of all, international negative attention or popular hatred. The only thing missing from the corporate media explanation is George W. Bush's idiotic claim that "the terrorists are jealous of our freedoms". Using this the corporate media's methodology, it is entirely reasonable and just as easy to implicate the CIA and Mossad.

Terrorism

We must also remember where the very term, "terrorism" was born in 1947 and who carried it out? - Israel. The term has been internationalised and popularised since then by the corporate media, rarely if ever pointing to its origins. Today, "terrorism" has become a household term, associated solely with Muslims throughout the world and it was developed into a basis for a war without end. The military assault on Mumbai is another a mini-9/11 in the sense that it provides a platform for juicing and expanding the "anti-terror" war under a new Obama administration which will no doubt be backed by other western governments.

Criminal Investigation

CNN tells us that the FBI has offered to help investigate the crime. The question is whether their interest is real investigation or damage control. If the FBI uses this time worn formula it could very easily end up evidence pointing to their own government. Were the FBI to "discover" CIA or Mossad involvement can any sane person expect they would reveal their findings to the public? Using "means, method and motivation" analysis, our "criminal investigation" leads to the CIA and Mossad as perpetrators of this event.

- Les Blough, Editor
Axis of Logic


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islamirama
12-27-2008, 06:48 PM
Hindus rally for Muslim charity



Hundreds of members of Pakistan's Hindu community have turned out to protest on behalf of a Muslim charity accused by India over the deadly Mumbai attacks.

The protesters in the city of Hyderabad in Sindh province complained that Jamaat-ud-Dawa was not a terrorist organisation and should not be banned.

They said it was a "saviour" in providing food and water.

India says Jamaat-ud-Dawa is a front for Lashkar-e-Taiba which it blames for the attacks that killed more than 170.


Water wells

Many in Pakistan's minority Hindu community are poor farm workers.

One protester, Biga Ram, told Reuters news agency: "How can an organisation be terrorist if it's been providing food and water to us despite knowing that we're not Muslims?"

She added: "They're friends of humanity. We condemn the ban. It's unjust."

Some of the banners read: "Do not ban our saviour!"

Bhai Chand, a Hindu community leader, told Associated Press the charity had set up water wells in the desert.

more at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7786495.stm
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islamirama
12-29-2008, 01:07 AM
India ’Staged’ Mumbai Drama, Hotel Guests Testify

by Ammar



A recent report published by the BBC points more fingers towards Indian security agencies for actually staging the entire Mumbai drama. The stories craft by the Indian electronic and print media were absolutely absurd from the very beginning. Now we have it that the guests who had trapped themselves inside hotel rooms for safety were actually instructed by policemen to leave the building while the fighting raged on.


Several other things have been left unanswered, including the gross failure of Indian security and intelligence agencies that such a big terrorist attack happened right under their nose, in a country aspiring to become a regional superpower. All these questions that raise in one’s mind have been discussed before here and at several other forums.


So much so that the Indian minister for minorities had to resign for raising the issue of Mr. Karkare’s suspicious killing at an unknown location on the same day - the senior Indian policeman who had exposed the masterminds of the Samjhota express bombings and held a Hindu serving Indian army Colonel for the same.


Yet India is still pushing forward with its absurd, concocted story of the deadly Mumbai terror attacks holding Pakistan responsible, while all evidence points towards it as being a staged drama by Indian Hindu extremists who have penetrated Indian state machinery in large numbers.


Following is the BBC news report, in which guests at the Taj hotel have testified against the Indian police..

By Adam Mynott
BBC News, Mumbai


Guests trapped in a Mumbai hotel seized by gunmen last month have told the BBC they were given instructions by police that may have led to more people dying.


Police told a group hiding in the Taj Mahal Palace hotel that it was safe to leave the building, a survivor said. But members of the group were shot and killed by militant gunmen as they were making their way out.


The senior policeman in charge of the operation in the hotel has denied the allegations against his officers.



‘Suspicious’

A prominent Mumbai gynaecologist, Dr Prashant Mangeshikar, was trapped in the Taj Mahal hotel along with hundreds of other guests as gunmen stormed into the building, firing indiscriminately.


Terrified, he and others barricaded themselves into a room and waited.
Eventually, in the early hours of the morning, police officers made it through to where they were hiding and told people it was safe to leave the hotel because the gunmen were cornered on another floor.
Some went ahead but Dr Mangeshikar held back.


“I was a little suspicious that the police were actually sending these guys down a different route where the terrorists were supposed to be,” he said.
“I refused to move away and the people who ran ahead of me, about 20 or 30 of them, all of them died.”


A dress designer from the city says her aunt was shot dead and her cousin seriously wounded because they followed police instructions to try to leave.


The designer, Shilpa, described the police conduct as disgraceful. They had no right, she said, to risk people’s lives.


The senior policeman in charge of the operation in the hotel has denied these allegations against his officers.


But they add to growing criticism of the police and how they responded to the attack in which more than 170 people were killed.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7794211.stm
The move seems to be one to fuel more hatred against Pakistan by increasing the number of deaths as a result of this barbaric act.


Shame on you India! You kill your own people to wage war against Pakistan! And God knows that you cannot sustain a full war for no more than 15 (FIFTEEN) days - given the recession that has hit your economy too.


http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2008/12/21/india-staged-mumbai-drama-hotel-guests-testify/
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Qingu
01-01-2009, 10:12 PM
Islamarama, I'm sorry for being blunt, but your continued paranoia and conspiracy theories speaks to everything moderate Westerners like me dislike about Muslims.

Instead of confronting the fact that people who call themselves Muslims are responsible for this, you have done nothing but spout out the most tenuous and dishonest conspiracy theories you can copy and paste from the internet.

What does this say about your faith, islamarama? Do you think you're protecting the purity of Islam by dishonestly pretending Islamic fanatics do not exist? You're no better than brainwashed conservatives Americans who think the United States can do no wrong and every report about American atrocities is a conspiracy of the "liberal media."

American society will never improve unless we honestly confront its flaws and extremists. The same applies to the ummah.
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islamirama
01-01-2009, 10:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Qingu
Islamarama, I'm sorry for being blunt, but your continued paranoia and conspiracy theories speaks to everything moderate Westerners like me dislike about Muslims.
Open your eyes and read the stuff on this thread again. Apparently it's a "9-11" false flag op gone wrong. The "terrorist" they captured and doesn't even belong to the village in pakistan they are accusing. The house he is supposedly from has been occupied by someone else for the past 20 years. The villagers there can't even understand much english let alone speak it while this captured guy speaks fluent english with little to no accent. The captured had orange threads and bands on their wrists (something hindu extremists and brahmins wear out of religiousness). The indian media even identified every single "terrorists" as being originally from india and even told of their villages names regardless of where they got the training from. The hindus in pakistan came to rescue of the charity organization that they indians blamed for behind it. The hotel guests testify the police were deliberately telling them to go the wrong direction, in direct line of fire. There's plenty of evidence and truth here to know what really is going on, regardless of how many lies they come up with later to sell their version of the story. So i suggest you open your eyes and see the reality for what it is rather then labeling "paranoid" and conspiracy theories" on anything that doesn't go well with you and the kuffars in their war on islam.

So sorry for being blunt but this is the very reason i hate western kuffars like you and other trolls on here, you don't want the truth, you just want apologetic muslims for anything that happens in the world.
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Fishman
01-01-2009, 10:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Qingu
American society will never improve unless we honestly confront its flaws and extremists. The same applies to the ummah.
Yeah, I agree with you. Muslims should put our own house in order before accusing others of being dirty.

So sorry for being blunt but this is the very reason i hate western kuffars like you and other trolls on here, you don't want the truth, you just want apologetic muslims for anything that happens in the world.
:sl:
Sorry for being blunt, but do you consider everybody that disagrees with you a troll? If you disagree with somebody that strongly, you should go face them words rather than hiding behind insults.

Plus, calling people 'western kuffars' over a political matter isn't really very good, is it? All right, Qingu may not be Muslim, but it isn't just non-Muslims that take these views.
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Qingu
01-01-2009, 11:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
Open your eyes and read the stuff on this thread again. Apparently it's a "9-11" false flag op gone wrong.
The fact that you think 9/11 is a conspiracy is not helping your case.

The "terrorist" they captured and doesn't even belong to the village in pakistan they are accusing. The house he is supposedly from has been occupied by someone else for the past 20 years.
Cite support from a reputable source? Also, why would this even matter if he trained in a Lashkar-e-Toiba camp?

The villagers there can't even understand much english let alone speak it while this captured guy speaks fluent english with little to no accent.
Again, why is this evidence of anything, if the attackers went to a Lashkar-e-Toiba camp (or somewhere similar) that would have trained them how to infiltrate Mumbai?

Are you denying that there are such camps in this region of the world? Or is that all a conspiracy too?

The captured had orange threads and bands on their wrists (something hindu extremists and brahmins wear out of religiousness).
Let me get this straight: you think the attackers are actually Hindus pretending to be Muslims to provoke war with Pakistan ... and yet they were stupid enough to wear conspicuous Hindu religious garb? Can you explain how this supports your case, even if it is true?

The indian media even identified every single "terrorists" as being originally from india and even told of their villages names regardless of where they got the training from.
Citation? And now you are contradicting yourself—you earlier referred to one of the attacker's villages, in Pakistan. Which is it? Are they from India or Pakistan?

The hindus in pakistan came to rescue of the charity organization that they indians blamed for behind it.
How is this relevant?

The hotel guests testify the police were deliberately telling them to go the wrong direction, in direct line of fire.
Relevance? How on earth would this imply complicity?

There's plenty of evidence and truth here to know what really is going on, regardless of how many lies they come up with later to sell their version of the story.
Really? Nothing you pointed out is "evidence," and in fact your stories contradict themselves. On one hand you claim the attackers are from a non-English village in Pakistan, on the other hand you claim they're all from India. On the one hand you claim the attackers are Hindus pretending to be Muslims, on the other hand you claim that the attackers are wearing Hindu religious garb.

The problem with conspiracy theories is that their only purpose is to sow doubt in an "official" story—they don't have to present a coherent story of their own. Your version of the events has a lot more holes than the official story. But you're so desperate to believe that Muslims can do no wrong that this apparently doesn't matter to you. Aren't there laws in Islam against bearing false witness?

So i suggest you open your eyes and see the reality for what it is rather then labeling "paranoid" and conspiracy theories" on anything that doesn't go well with you and the kuffars in their war on islam.

So sorry for being blunt but this is the very reason i hate western kuffars like you and other trolls on here, you don't want the truth, you just want apologetic muslims for anything that happens in the world.
I'm sorry that you "hate" unbelievers like me; I thought Islam was supposed to be a tolerant and peaceful religion.

I'll just point out that many Muslims on this forum, and elsewhere, have acknowledged that Lashkar-e-Toiba is probably behind the attacks. Instead of ignoring groups like al-Qaeda and Lashkar-e-Toiba, pretending they can do no wrong, and dismissing any criticism of them as conspiracies, many Muslims have condemned these groups as perversions of the true faith of Islam.

So I suppose you think such Muslims are also blind unbelievers who want to fight a war against Islam? That would be a shame. Muslims like them seem genuinely concerned about improving the ummah and its relationship with us "unbelievers," while you seem like you couldn't care less.

Edit: I don't want you to be "apologetic" for actions you had nothing to do with, islamarama. I just want you to acknowledge that Muslims can be bad people too, stop spouting conspiracy theories, and stop "hating" unbelievers. Again, how would you like it if I constantly quoted Fox News and dismissed any criticism of George Bush as "liberal/Muslim propoganda"? Reality is not as black-and-white as you've convinced yourself it is.
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islamirama
01-02-2009, 12:42 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Fishman
:sl:
Sorry for being blunt, but do you consider everybody that disagrees with you a troll? If you disagree with somebody that strongly, you should go face them words rather than hiding behind insults.

Plus, calling people 'western kuffars' over a political matter isn't really very good, is it? All right, Qingu may not be Muslim, but it isn't just non-Muslims that take these views.

:w:
:w:

What's wrong with calling someone western kuffar, they can say eastern or western muslim all they want as well. or is it that you find the word kuffar offensive?
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Qingu
01-02-2009, 02:42 AM
Note: it's pretty much impossible to offend this "kuffar," so no worries on that count. :)
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islamirama
01-02-2009, 03:11 AM
Anyways, I think paki-indian war is unavoidable and with US troops moving to Afghanistan from Iraq means they will be an attack on pakistan from afghan and india side. First afghan, then Iraq, and now pakistan is in line to be attacked. The neocons seem to think their plan of new SE Asia and M.E. map is working when only thing it is doing is waking the Muslims up from their slumber and blind imitation of the west.
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Qingu
01-02-2009, 03:17 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
Anyways, I think paki-indian war is unavoidable and with US troops moving to Afghanistan from Iraq means they will be an attack on pakistan from afghan and india side. First afghan, then Iraq, and now pakistan is in line to be attacked. The neocons seem to think their plan of new SE Asia and M.E. map is working when only thing it is doing is waking the Muslims up from their slumber and blind imitation of the west.
The neocons lost the election.

And you're being ridiculously paranoid. Even if Obama does turn out to be a "secret crusader neocon" or whatever, consider Bush's approval ratings—the lowest in American history, largely because of the Iraq War. Most American people don't want to get bogged down in any more wars anymore than you want us to.
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islamirama
01-02-2009, 03:47 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Qingu
The neocons lost the election.

And you're being ridiculously paranoid. Even if Obama does turn out to be a "secret crusader neocon" or whatever, consider Bush's approval ratings—the lowest in American history, largely because of the Iraq War. Most American people don't want to get bogged down in any more wars anymore than you want us to.
It's not about being paranoid but keeping your eyes open. Personally, no body would be happier than me if we didn't have any more invasions, occupations or wars under this pretense of "war on terror." Look at all the people Obama is selecting or has selected for his cabinet and gov't. First one was a zionist extremists who belonged to a zionost terrorist organization in israel, 2nd is a hindu extremists who belongs to or has ties with hindu terrorist organizations and extremists parties like BJP, and others as such. Even the expert analyst are saying that Obama's life could be in danger and he will have to be very very careful. Biden and homesecurity office already made their 5yr prediction stating a biological/nuke terrorist attack will take place around 2012 on US. One can only fear the worst when such agencies are so "sure" about these events.
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Fishman
01-04-2009, 03:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
:w:

What's wrong with calling someone western kuffar, they can say eastern or western muslim all they want as well. or is it that you find the word kuffar offensive?
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I have a problem with you asociating particular political viewpoints with Kufr. As I said Qingu may be a Kuffar because he isn't a Muslim anyway (as far as we know), but since regarding this topic I have pretty similar views does that make me a Kuffar in your eyes?
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doorster
01-04-2009, 03:27 PM
:sl:
format_quote Originally Posted by Fishman
:sl:
I have a problem with you associating particular political viewpoints with Kufr. As I said Qingu may be a kafir because he isn't a Muslim anyway (as far as we know), but since regarding this topic I have pretty similar views does that make me a kafir in your eyes?
:w:
you ain't seen nothing yet, if you want to "learn" more about what a kafir is you need to read his latest fatwa/decree @ http://www.islamicboard.com/clarific...ml#post1073107

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Grace Seeker
02-13-2009, 12:21 AM
Ajmal Amir Kasab, interrogated in custody after last month's attacks, which killed 163 people, reportedly told Indian security officials that he came from a place called Faridkot in the Punjab province.

source
Pakistani officials have revealed that they are holding a number of people suspected of involvement in last November's attacks in the Indian city of Mumbai.


Pakistan has also acknowledged for the first time today that the attacks were partly planned on its territory.

source
Pakistan acknowledged the Mumbai attacks were partly plotted on its soil and announced criminal proceedings against eight suspects, including three alleged ringleaders, in a sign it is heeding U.S. and Indian demands to punish those responsible for the deaths of 164 people.

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But of course, Islamirama, you are free to continue to deny what Pakistan admits to be true.
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fairandbalanced
02-15-2009, 09:27 PM
Wow. Who would have ever guessed? The Indians faked an attack on Mumbai (perhaps in secret concert with Israel and the US), alleging Pakistani involvement in order to create tensions with Pakistan. That is diabolically clever.

Of course it does raise the question why they wouldn't just lob a couple of artillery rounds over the border from one of the hundreds of guns they have within range of Pakistan. Not as much fun, I suppose.
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