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islamirama
12-30-2008, 12:13 AM
Silence is Consent. If you don't speak up you accept what is happening.


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islamirama
12-30-2008, 05:14 PM
Iranian group recruits volunteers to fight Israel

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - A group of influential conservative Iranian clerics launched an online registration drive on Monday seeking volunteers to fight against Israel in response to its air assault on the Gaza Strip. About 3,550 people registered Monday with the Combatant Clergy Society's Web site. The weeklong online campaign gives volunteers three options on ways they can fight Israel: military, financial and propaganda.

The group, which has considerable political and economic power in Iran, did not provide further details on the program including how it would contact the volunteers or implement the program.



The conservative clerics decided to sign up volunteers after Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, issued a religious decree on Sunday that said anyone killed while defending Palestinians in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip against Israeli attacks would be considered a martyr.



Khamenei's religious decree was not considered a government decision and did not oblige the government to launch attacks against Israel.





Israel's airstrikes on the Gaza Strip have sparked outrage in Iran and throughout the rest of the Muslim world. About 300 Palestinians have been killed and more than 1,000 wounded since the air assault began Saturday. Israel says it launched its campaign in retaliation for rocket fire aimed at civilians in southern Israeli towns.



Also Monday, the Iranian Red Crescent sent a ship carrying 2,000 tons of food to Palestinians living in Gaza to be delivered via Egypt. An Iranian military plane also landed at Cairo International Airport carrying 24 tons of food and medicine destined for Gaza.



The head of Iran's Red Crescent, Masoud Khatami, said three more ships were waiting to be loaded with humanitarian aid, and Iranian hospitals were ready to receive injured Gazans, according to the official Iran news agency, IRNA.



http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
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islamirama
12-30-2008, 05:17 PM
Israeli naval ship shoots Gaza aid boat

An Israeli naval ship shot on Tuesday a small boat carrying international activists with aid destined for Gaza under Israel siege, agencies said.

There were no reported casualties from the shooting involving the small cabin cruiser "Dignity" that sailed from Cyprus late on Monday. One passenger said nobody was hurt.

Free Gaza Movement told Reuters their boat, carrying 3 1/2 tons of medical aid with 16 people aboard, was rammed and shot at while in international waters about 70-80 miles off Gaza by Israeli naval vessel.

Yigal Palmor, a spokesman for Israel's Foreign Ministry, denied there had been any shooting, he said the two ships made "physical contact".

Palmor said that an Israeli vessel "clashed with the ship."

Israel said the Free Gaza Movement boat would be prevented to dock in the Gaza Strip.

A passenger on the Free Gaza Movement boat said it was now trying to reach Lebanon after the shooting.

"The boat was hit on its left side. There is a problem with the fuel and we are trying to head to Sidon," said Katia Christodoulou, a photographer for the Cyprus News Agency.
Free Gaza Movement said their boat was safe, but had sustained damage.

Israel declared the coastal territory a "closed military zone" after it launched air attacks on Gaza on Saturday, killing nearly 400 Palestinians.

Hospitals were already facing shortages of medicines and other medical products due to the Israeli siege imposed after the Hamas government seized full control of the territory in 2007.

As well as more than three tons of aid, the Dignity was carrying three doctors to help treat the more than 1,600 wounded in recent days.


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Where is the Egyptian Navy? Why can't Egypt at least provide escort to relief vessels?

We must not forget that Israel seized the Gaza strip from Egypt in the 1967 war. Therefore, Egypt bears a special responsibility and the greatest duty to protect and assist Palestinians in Gaza.

But what can we say when a 79 year old hypocrite (rather kaafir) can rule over and control 75 million Muslims!
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crayon
12-30-2008, 05:21 PM
Two International Human Rights Activists witnessed the killing of two young girls in Beit Hanoun this morning. A young boy was also seriously injured in the attack.

The two girls, one four years old, the other twelve years old were killed as they took out garbage from their home. The deaths came as Israeli missiles destroyed an agricultural co-operative, a PFLP community centre and a police station in the Beit Hanoun area.

"It is impossible to avoid civilian casualties in a densely populated area. No one is safe from the Israeli air strikes. I saw two girls, ages 4 and 12 hit by a bomb from an F16. They were outside clearing some rubbish around their homes. The 4 year old girl died and the 12 year old girl was being taken to the hospital on a donkey cart. The people of Gaza have nothing left from the ongoing siege: there is not even an ambulance to take a child to the hospital. There is no excuse in dropping bombs on Gaza, as civilian deaths are unavoidable. The reality for the children of Gaza will not change until there is international pressure on Israel to end the bombings and the ongoing siege." - Ewa Jasiewicz (Polish/British) - Free Gaza Movement
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http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/news/news.php?article=15381
This story particularly struck me...imsad
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Muezzin
12-30-2008, 05:23 PM
The stooges on Fox News agree with everything any guest from Israel says.

So much for journalistic integrity.

...Why am I even assuming Fox News have any in the first place?
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crayon
12-30-2008, 05:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin
...Why am I even assuming Fox News have any in the first place?
Wishful thinking, perhaps?..:blind:
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themuffinman
12-30-2008, 05:26 PM
i think the numbers r upto almost 400 now. its really sad none of the sunni nations say anything and iran is the one supporting them. shame on the muslim leaders
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Noddy
12-30-2008, 05:44 PM
It's sad indeed but i feel hamas are to blame aswell for what has happened to their own people. They are using the public as their shield then showing anger when they are killed or hurt.
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harry
12-30-2008, 05:48 PM
Salam 3layqoum :sl:

it is inhuman! I am shocked by these photos! Oh Allah, give us faith, courage and victory!

[IMG]http://portail.islamboutique.fr/gaza2008/martyres_gaza.gif[/IMG]
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nocturnal
12-30-2008, 07:03 PM
The israelis are yet to recieve $30 billion worth of military aid over the next 10 years. This is overt, declared, unwavering american military and political support for the massacres of the palestinians.

The silence of the international community is revolting.
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themuffinman
12-30-2008, 07:05 PM
godd i hate that zippi livni B***.
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Ansariyah
12-30-2008, 07:19 PM
May Allah bring the day soon when these filthy Zionist qhanseeers will get what they deserve, ameen.

May Allah restore the strength of the ummah, heal the wounded, n grant jannah to all the Muslims who died in this genocide, ameen.
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islamirama
12-30-2008, 08:01 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Yanoorah
May Allah bring the day soon when these filthy Zionist qhanseeers will get what they deserve, ameen.

May Allah restore the strength of the ummah, heal the wounded, n grant jannah to all the Muslims who died in this genocide, ameen.

ameen!
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Lamees
12-30-2008, 08:20 PM
I feel Shame!!

I don't what to say..

our brothers in Gazza are killed and we-the closest to them-can't help them..

O Allah grant them strength and Patience..:cry::cry::cry:
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islamirama
12-30-2008, 11:11 PM

Palestine Red Crescent Society announced a tentative list of urgent Medical needs.


To maintain its humanitarian services in Gaza Strip PRCS is working out an appeal to touch on the direct needs in Gaza, a taskforce from both the headquarter and Gaza branches have been formed to quickly gather information and form a project document that covers the medicines, disposables and humanitarian needs, beside ambulances to evacuate and transfer patient, as well facility repair. A tentative list of urgent Medicines and disposables is attached.


Drugs List


ITEM Form quantity


AMOXICILLIN SUPS 400mg+CLAVULANIC ACID bottle 28032
AMOXICILLIN SUSP 250mg+CLAVULANIC ACID bottle 28000
CEFADROXIL 500MG caps 16000
CEFADROXIL SUSP 250MG 60ML 5 bottle 16000
IBUPROFEN SYR 100mg bottle 16000
FAMOTIDINE 40MG tab 16000
RANITIDINE 150MG tab 140000
MULTIVITAMINS tab 92000
BISCODYL 5MG tab 30800
TRIPROLIDINE + PSEUDO EPHEDRINE SUSP bottle 20000
CELECOXIB 200MG caps 4000
OMEPRAZOLE 20MG caps 68000
CALCIUM CARBONATE 600MG tab 20000
OFLOXACIN 200MG tab 12000
AZITHROMYCIN 500MG tab 26000
AZITHROMYCIN SUSP 200MG bottle 6000
DICLOFENAC POTASSIUM TAB 50MG tab 60000
SILVER SULFADIAZINE TUBE 50 GR tube 400
FUSIDIC ACID OIN tube 1400
FUSIDIC ACID+HYDROCORTISONE CREAM tube 1600
TETRACYCLINE OIN tube 1200
DEXTROSE 5% 500 ML plastic pouch unit 12800
VITAMINS B COMPLEX AMP B1-B6-B12 tab 10000
MINIRIN 2MG tab 30000
PARACETAMOL 300 mg suppository 56000
GENTAMYCINE EYE DR 5G 3% drops 4000
GENTAMYCINE EYE OIN 5G 3% tube 2000
TINIDAZOLE 500MG tab 8000
LOPERAMIDE SYR bottle 2000
PARA FLU tab 56000
ERYTHROMYCIN + SULFISOXAZOLE SYR bottle 5200
FURASIMIDE amp 8000
HYDROCORTISONE amp 4000
NEWSTIGMINE amp 2000
PRAMIN amp 25600
PAVALON amp 5200
TRACURIUME amp 2400
SUCCINYL CHLORIDE amp 1200
EPANUTIN amp 400
AMIKACIN amp 1200
OXYTOCIN amp 10000
VITAMINK amp 600
ANTI D amp 1200
FLAGEL amp 6400
STREPTOKINASE amp 300
DECORT AMPOULE amp 200000
ADRINALIN amp 800
AMINOPHILIN 250 mg Amp amp 48000
ATROPIN 1MG amp 80000
DIAZEPAM 10mg amp 48000
KETAMIN 50mg vial 12000
LIDOCAIN 2% amp 48000
NITROGLYSARIN spray 48000
LIDOCAIN SPRAY spray 14400
BABY ASPIRIN tab 360000
CLICSAN 40MG AMP 3000
ISO SORBID MONO NITRATE 5MG tab 36000
GLUCOSE 50% unit 48000
SODIUM BICARBONATE. 250 mg Bottle 24000
DICLOFINAC SODIUM amp 48000
PROMETHAZEN amp 24000
SCOPUTIL amp 24000
RATADINE tab 50000
PETHADIN AMP 10000
TRAMADOL AMP 10000
METRONIDAZOL 250mg tab 200000
MULTIVITAMINS TAB tab 100000
DECOMB OINTMENT tube 12000
MULTIVITAMINS surp bottle 16000
Medical Disposables List

ITEMS

END0TRACHEAL TUBE SIZE 6 Tube 4000
END0TRACHEAL TUBE SIZE 6.5 Tube 4000
END0TRACHEAL TUBE SIZE 7 Tube 4000
END0TRACHEAL TUBE SIZE 7.5 Tube 4000
SUCTI0N TUBE CH 14 Tube 8000
SUCTI0N TUBE CH 16 Tube 8000
SUCTI0N TUBE CH 18 Tube 8000
AIRWAY SIZE 1 GUEDEL pice 8000
AIRWAY SIZE 2 GUEDEL pice 8000
AIRWAY SIZE 3 GUEDEL pice 8000
AIRWAY SIZE 4 GUEDEL pice 8000
ALCOHOL SWAB pice 1600000
O2 CONNICTION TUBE pice 48000
ELBOW SUPPORT pice 4000
WRIST SUPPORT pice 4000
ACTIVATED CHARCOAL SYRUP-TAB tab 12000
PLASTER ROLL 5CM pice 32000
PLASTER ROLL 2.5CM pice 32000
PLASTER ROLL 10CM pice 32000
TRAINGULAR BANDAGE pice 60000
NORMAL SALINE 0.9% 500 cc bag 48000
WRINGER LACTATE 500 cc bag 60000
BED SHEETS pice 24000
IODIN POLIDIN LIQUID litter 12000
ALCOHOL 70% litter 20000
MANUAL SUCTION pice 800
AMBO BAGS - CHILD AND ADULT pice 400
BAND AID PLASTER pice 1200000
BLADE SURGICAL pice 40000
CANNULA I.V G 16 pice 32800
CANNULA I.V G 18 pice 32800
CANNULA I.V G 20 pice 32800
CANNULA I.V G 22 pice 32800
CATHETER URINARY F0LEY CH 12 pice 8000
CATHETER URINARY F0LEY CH 14 pice 7400
CATHETER URINARY F0LEY CH 16 pice 8000
CATHETER URINARY F0LEY CH 18 pice 8000
CATHETER URINARY FOLEY CH10 pice 8000
COMPRESS GAUZE NON STERILE 10X10 CM pice 4000000
COMPRESS GAUZE STERILE 10 X10 CM pice 200000
COMPRESS PARAFFIN 10X10 CM pice 80000
COTTON POGS 100 G pice 80000
CREPE BANDAGE 10 CM pice 288000
CREPE BANDAGE 6 CM pice 288000
CREPE BANDAGE 8 CM pice 288000
GAUZE BANDAGE 12 CM pice 160000
GAUZE BANDAGE 8 CM pice 160000
GAUZE ROLL 5 CM pice 160000
GLOVES NON STERILE LARGE (8-9) pice 2600000
GLOVES NON STERILE MIDIUM (7-8) pice 2600000
HIDROGEN PIROXIDE 1 LIT litter 20000
INFUSION SET 150cm pice 80000
MASK OXYGEN ADULT WITH TUBE ATTACHED pice 80000
MASK OXYGEN PEDIATRIC WITH TUBE ATTACHED pice 80000
MASK SURGICAL DISPOSABLE pice 80000
NASAL TUBE pice 60000
NEEDLE HYPODERMIC G 21 pice 240000
NEEDLE HYPODERMIC G 23 pice 240000
NEEDLE HYPODERMIC G 25 pice 240000
QUICK COLD 15*20 pice 40000
SCALP VEIN G 23 pice 20000
SCALP VEIN G 25 pice 20000
SPLINT KRAMER 20*100 METAL pice 40000
SUTURES SILK 1/0 pice 8400
SUTURES SILK 2/0 pice 8400
SUTURES SILK 3/0 pice 8400
SUTURES SILK 4/0 pice 8400
SUTURES SILK 5/0 pice 8400
SYRINGE 2 ML pice 320000
SYRINGE 5
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muslimm4lyf786
12-30-2008, 11:25 PM
Brothers, What do we do about this situation. What can we individually do to help. of course giving money to interpal is an option but what else.
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islamirama
12-31-2008, 12:14 AM
Here's one way to help....




More than 315 dead and 1,000 seriously injured, these figures are sure to rise with more air strikes imminent and a possible ground assault in the coming days.

18 months of an existing blockade and a lack of vital medicines has resulted in hospitals being unable to cope with the overflow of dead and injured people.

Human Appeal International (HAI) has been working in Palestine for over 15 years and is currently distributing vital emergency relief through its offices in the Gaza Strip to help those that are worst affected.


HAI has launched an urgent Gaza Appeal. We need to respond to this human catastrophe immediately.


Please donate NOW! Your donation can save lives.

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Argamemnon
12-31-2008, 01:09 AM
I really want to send money, but I live in the Netherlands. I have zero experience as to sending money abroad. I'm afraid it would be lost. I would hope that I can send money to some RELIABLE organization in this country?
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islamirama
12-31-2008, 02:50 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
I really want to send money, but I live in the Netherlands. I have zero experience as to sending money abroad. I'm afraid it would be lost. I would hope that I can send money to some RELIABLE organization in this country?
Try this one bro, you can do it online.

http://www.islamic-relief.com/Emerge...y.aspx?emID=47
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Argamemnon
12-31-2008, 03:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
Try this one bro, you can do it online.

http://www.islamic-relief.com/Emerge...y.aspx?emID=47
Thank you very much bro! Now I can donate money as often as I want inshallah. Giving money/helping Muslims in need is mentioned in the Quran even more often than performing salat. Why do we Muslims forget this? It's called infaq in the Quran. I actually want to start a thread on this issue. Why don't we place much more importance on infaq, which Allah (swt) repeatedly asks us to do? I know Muslims who never give charity, but perform the salat and think they are the best Muslims :(
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islamirama
12-31-2008, 03:28 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
Thank you very much bro! Now I can donate money as often as I want inshallah. Giving money/helping Muslims in need is mentioned in the Quran even more often than performing salat. Why do we Muslims forget this? It's called infaq in the Quran. I actually want to start a thread on this issue. Why don't we place much more importance on infaq, which Allah (swt) repeatedly asks us to do? I know Muslims who never give charity, but perform the salat and think they are the best Muslims :(
This is also a form of Jihaad. If we can't do jihaad physically then we should do it with our wealth, politically, and any other means we can. Also, there's so much benefit of donating....

The Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wassalam) said
"Charity is a proof"

"Heal your sick with charity"

"Each person is in the shade of his charity till people are judged" (it shades you on Judgment day)

"Giving in secret cools ALLAH's anger"

"The most loved actions to Allah are: Happiness you give to a Muslim, or Sadness you take way, or Debt you help him with, or Hunger you put away, supporting my brother in one of his needs is better for me than staying in this mosque for a month … "

"Allah will have mercy on those who are merciful, Have mercy on those on earth and you will get mercy from him who is in heaven"

"When a human dies, all his doing is over except three: Continuous Charity, Usable science or righteous son praying for him"

"Good doings protect from bad destinies"
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islamirama
12-31-2008, 04:05 AM
Israel calls up reserve troops and sends tanks to Gaza border after killing more than 280 in 'one of the bloodiest days in 60 years'


Fears of invasion are growing after Israel called up thousands of reservists and moved dozens of tanks to the Gaza Strip border.


The move follows one of the bloodiest days in 60 years of conflict between the Palestinians and the Jewish state, in which more than 280 people in Gaza were killed.

Air strikes were launched on Gaza for a second day, piling pressure on Hamas, in what Israeli leaders said was a response to almost daily rocket and mortar fire by Gaza militants following the end of a six-month ceasefire a week ago.


'Right now, we are not considering an end to the fighting,' Israeli Cabinet Secretary Oved Yehezkel said on Israel Radio. 'We have the time, patience and means ... to return life in southern Israel to normal.'


Under clear morning skies, an Israeli air strike destroyed the headquarters of Hamas's al-Aqsa television stations, which continued broadcasting from an unknown location. Israeli aircraft also attacked a training facility for Hamas fighters.

Palestinian militants continued to fire rockets across the border, including one that police said landed in open territory about 18 miles inside southern Israel. No casualties were reported.


Dozens of Israeli armoured vehicles massed along the Gaza border for a possible ground invasion while the U.N. Security Council called for a halt to the violence.
Israeli military affairs commentators said the Israeli offensive did not appear to be aimed at retaking the Gaza Strip or destroying the territory's Hamas government - ambitious goals that could prove difficult and politically risky to achieve ahead of Israel's February parliamentary election.


Israel declared a state of emergency in its communities in a 12-mile range of Gaza, putting the area on a war footing. But it was not clear whether it was preparing to send ground forces back into the Gaza Strip, which it left in 2005.


Since a fragile six-month truce ended on December 19, more than 200 rockets and mortar shells have been fired at Israel, causing damage and and some injuries.
Immediately after yesterday’s airstrikes Hamas, the Islamist faction that rules the Palestinian territory, vowed revenge, and several medium-range missiles were fired into Israel, killing one man and injuring four others.


A spokesman said it would continue resisting ‘until the last drop of blood’.

In Gaza, black clouds of smoke rose high into the air as missiles fired by scores of Israeli F-16 bombers struck more than 50 security installations and bases throughout the Strip, burying many people under rubble.



The air strikes caused widespread panic and confusion, as black clouds of smoke rose above the territory.

Medical staff struggled to cope with the wounded and dying flooding into hospitals in cars, vans and ambulances.


At Shifa Hospital, Gaza’s main medical amenity, beds ran out within minutes and bleeding bodies were lined up on the floors of the corridors as medics fought to help the most severe cases.


Some of the missiles struck in densely populated areas as children were leaving school and women rushed into the streets frantically looking for their children.


Mothers tried desperately to reach their children through the smoke that filled the streets, along with the sound of ambulance sirens and the cries of grieving relatives.
Shopkeeper Said Masri, 57, who sent out his nine-year-old son to buy cigarettes minutes before the air strikes began, sat in the middle of a Gaza City street close to a security compound, alternately slapping his face and covering his head with dust from the bombed-out building.


'My son is gone, my son is gone,’ he wailed.


‘May I burn like the cigarettes, may Israel burn.’


Corpses rolled up in blankets filled hospital floors, awaiting identification.


‘We are treating people on the floor, in the corridors. We have no more space. We don’t know who is here or who to treat first,’ said one doctor.

The Gaza Strip has been effectively sealed off from the rest of the world for many months, leaving stocks of surgical equipment, drugs and other essentials very low.
Among those who bore the brunt of the ferocious attack were 40 Palestinian cadets who had gathered for their passing-out parade at the police headquarters in Gaza City.



A Hamas general, who was due to take their salute, was among the pile of bodies after a massive explosion – possibly from a laser-guided bomb – tore through the parade ground where families were about to watch the ceremony.


Several of those who rushed to help the dead and injured beat their heads and shouted: ‘Allahu akbar’ [‘God is great’].



The Israeli military authorities said they had targeted ‘Hamas terror operatives’ as well as training camps and weapons storage warehouses. Defending the raids, Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni said it had ‘no choice’ but to defend its citizens.


Last week Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert warned on Arab TV that he did not want war but ‘Hamas must be stopped. I will not hesitate to use Israel’s might to strike Hamas and Islamic jihad [holy war]’.



International reaction to yesterday’s attacks was swift. Gordon Brown, the Vatican, the UN and special Middle East envoy Tony Blair all called for an immediate restoration of calm.


Mr Miliband said this afternoon: 'The Prime Minister and I are following developments in Gaza with grave concern.


'The rise in rocket attacks on Israel since December 19, and yesterday's massive loss of life, make this a dangerous moment which should be of concern to the whole of the international community.


'The UK supports an urgent ceasefire and immediate halt to all violence.'


Mr Miliband said the deteriorating humanitarian situation was 'deeply disturbing', and the PM had spoken to his Israeli counterpart Ehud Olmert.


'Israel must abide by its humanitarian obligations," Mr Miliband added. 'The UK supports the prompt and sufficient delivery of food, fuel and medicine into the Gaza Strip.'

Mr Brown said he was ‘deeply concerned by continuing missile strikes from Gaza on Israel and by Israel’s response today.’



He urged Gazan militants to cease all rocket attacks on Israel immediately and Israel to do everything in its power to avoid civilian casualties.



The EU condemned the ‘disproportionate’ use of force and called for an immediate halt to air strikes and Palestinian attacks in and around Gaza. And the US urged Israel to avoid civilian casualties and called on Hamas to cease its missile attacks.



Egypt summoned the Israeli ambassador in Cairo to express its condemnation of the strikes, saying it held Israel responsible for the dead and injured and calling for new efforts to restore the truce with Hamas, and the Arab League is to hold an emergency meeting today.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...aza-Strip.html



Election time is near so this filthy dog is trying to show the zionist public he is not "soft" so as to not loose any votes against his opponent who is more thirsty for Palestinian's blood. The hindu extremists party did the same thing in Mumbai with their false flag for upcoming elections as did Bush. It seems like all you have to do is massacre lots of innocent Muslims if you want lots of votes these days.
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islamirama
12-31-2008, 04:27 AM
This is what US public is paying $30 BILLION to Israel for,

as well as Military, Political, and every other support US gov’t offers.

Where is the UN, the US, and other so called “allies of Justice and freedom”???


This blood is on American public’s hands, on world governments, and anyone that remains silent.



Innocent victim: A wounded child waits to be treated by doctors at Gaza's main Shifa hospital





A Palestinian man mourns the death of a Hamas security member after an Israeli missile strike that killed 205 today





An explosion from an Israeli missile strike








A Palestinian carries a wounded child after Israeli missile strikes in Gaza City today







Devastation: Stunned Palestinians inspect the rubble from a building virtually demolished in an airstrike on Rafah









Aftermath: A pall of smoke hangs above Rafah as locals pick their way through the debris from one missile attack










Bodies of Hamas policemen lie on the ground of their destroyed police compound following an Israeli air strike in Gaza today






Mourners watch over the bodies of Palestinians at Shifa hospital in Gaza City








A Palestinian security force officer walks outside the former headquarters of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas after it was hit in an Israeli missile strike










Smoke rises after an Israeli bomb exploded in Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza Strip







Palestinians carry a body from the rubble following the missile strike







Hezbollah supporters and Palestinian supporters of 'Hamas movement' burns the Israeli flag during a protest against Israel's attacks on the Gaza strip








An explosion from an Israeli missile strike in the northern Gaza Strip on the border between Israel and the Gaza Strip. It was the bloodiest day in Gaza in decades.







Palestinian firefighters try to assist at the site of a security compound used by the Islamic group Hamas







Palestinians run from tear gas thrown by Israeli soldiers during a protest against Israeli strikes in Gaza in the West Bank town of Hebron







Palestinian protestors throw stones at Israeli soldiers during clashes near Jerusalem








Smoke and fire are seen after the Israeli air strike in the northern Gaza Strip









the face of war: Palestinian relatives of the Islamic group Hamas react after seeing their bodies at Shifa hospital in Gaza City







Campaigners from the British Muslim Initiative break through barriers to try to reach the gates of the Israeli embassy in Kensington



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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 01:32 PM
Let's just hope it doesn't get any near holocaust, shall we?
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Ar-RaYYan
12-31-2008, 02:14 PM
la Illaah Illaah Muhammadur Rasullah imsad
yet the israel government argue that they are attacking hamas only! four-year-olds just happens to be hamas members!
I feel so ashamed and angry that the Arab countries aren't doing nothing. At least they could supply money to Hamas as the US are doing the same for Israel.
Why do the West keep arguing that Hamas must stop the misile attacks but Israel are allowed to continue but they must avoid targeting 'the civilians'!
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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 02:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ar-RaYYan
la Illaah Illaah Muhammadur Rasullah imsad
yet the israel government argue that they are attacking hamas only! four-year-olds just happens to be hamas members!
I feel so ashamed and angry that the Arab countries aren't doing nothing. At least they could supply money to Hamas as the US are doing the same for Israel.
Why do the West keep arguing that Hamas must stop the misile attacks but Israel are allowed to continue but they must avoid targeting 'the civilians'!
Most countries have called for an immediate ceasefire.
As long as Hamas is targeting rockets Israel has the right to protect itself. They are targeting Hamas, according to an UN organisation about 70 civilians have been killed so far compared to 280 Hamas militants, that's 1 to 4, quite a good score considering Hamas puts its bases inside civilian areas.
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The_Prince
12-31-2008, 03:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Most countries have called for an immediate ceasefire.
As long as Hamas is targeting rockets Israel has the right to protect itself. They are targeting Hamas, according to an UN organisation about 70 civilians have been killed so far compared to 280 Hamas militants, that's 1 to 4, quite a good score considering Hamas puts its bases inside civilian areas.
you silly sick freak, you this is a game with score cards and cheap statistics? quite a good score? 70 civillians dead and your barking good score? when one of your westerners die you want everyone to condemn and speak up for you, now you come here talking this cr@p? Allah described vermin as you very well in the Quran.
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The_Prince
12-31-2008, 03:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Most countries have called for an immediate ceasefire.
As long as Hamas is targeting rockets Israel has the right to protect itself. They are targeting Hamas, according to an UN organisation about 70 civilians have been killed so far compared to 280 Hamas militants, that's 1 to 4, quite a good score considering Hamas puts its bases inside civilian areas.
As long as Israel targets Hamas, then Hamas also likewise have a right to defend themself and fight back, or oh wait, are Muslims not allowed to fight back, and only kaffirs have a right to defend themself?

go on, i want to hear you say the Palestinians also have a right to defend themself from the Israeli attacks.

and go do your homework you silly terrorist, Israel broke the ceasfire first, and have broken it on several occasions, offcourse since your a kaffir terrorist, you dont mention these things.

its going to be a good day when the tables are turned on you.
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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 03:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
As long as Israel targets Hamas, then Hamas also likewise have a right to defend themself and fight back, or oh wait, are Muslims not allowed to fight back, and only kaffirs have a right to defend themself?

go on, i want to hear you say the Palestinians also have a right to defend themself from the Israeli attacks.

and go do your homework you silly terrorist, Israel broke the ceasfire first, and have broken it on several occasions, offcourse since your a kaffir terrorist, you dont mention these things.

its going to be a good day when the tables are turned on you.
No, I completely agree, Palestinians have the right to fight Israel. It's their legitimate right, even though they mostly target civilians. The problem is that they are aware that rockets won't achieve anything and Israel will strike back so by firing them they are consciously risking hundreds of Palestinians lives without achieving anything.
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The_Prince
12-31-2008, 03:40 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
No, I completely agree, Palestinians have the right to fight Israel. It's their legitimate right, even though they mostly target civilians. The problem is that they are aware that rockets won't achieve anything and Israel will strike back so by firing them they are consciously risking hundreds of Palestinians lives without achieving anything.
sure uuuuuuu do, all i hear from you people is that Israel Israel Israel has has has a a a right right right to to to defend defend defend itself. why dont you ever mention the same for Hamas in that same sentence?

and yes Hamas rockets have achieved something, not allowing those Israelis to live in peace, they are always stressed, scared, fearful, as they should be, they murder and terrorize Palestinians, hence they get what they deserve, its much more honorable to have a murderer in fear and trauma, rather than have a murderer having peace and happiness while he is commiting his crime.
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Cabdullahi
12-31-2008, 03:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Most countries have called for an immediate ceasefire.
As long as Hamas is targeting rockets Israel has the right to protect itself. They are targeting Hamas, according to an UN organisation about 70 civilians have been killed so far compared to 280 Hamas militants, that's 1 to 4, quite a good score considering Hamas puts its bases inside civilian areas.
heartless :(
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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 03:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
sure uuuuuuu do, all i hear from you people is that Israel Israel Israel has has has a a a right right right to to to defend defend defend itself. why dont you ever mention the same for Hamas in that same sentence?

and yes Hamas rockets have achieved something, not allowing those Israelis to live in peace, they are always stressed, scared, fearful, as they should be, they murder and terrorize Palestinians, hence they get what they deserve, its much more honorable to have a murderer in fear and trauma, rather than have a murderer having peace and happiness while he is commiting his crime.
Ok.
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The_Prince
12-31-2008, 03:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by J.U.N.I.O.R
heartless :(
he is just sick in the head.
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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 03:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by J.U.N.I.O.R
heartless :(
I'm sorry it appeared that way, what I meant is that Israel seems to be trying to protect civilians.
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The_Prince
12-31-2008, 03:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
I'm sorry I appeared that way, what I meant is that Israel seems to be trying to protect civilians.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA your so funny, wow that was funny, you could have amazing stand up with that line.
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Al-Zaara
12-31-2008, 03:51 PM
I heard something on the news, that the Turkish president was acting almost like an mediate between Egypt and Iran, and it was bound somehow to the Israel-Palestinia conflict. What's the matter with those two countries, still not talking??

Israel is seriously going nuts. This can't be justified. Over 390 people dead, for 4 Israelis.

Finland is helping Gaza too, elhamdulillah! SPR (Suomen Punainen Risiti, Finnish Red Cross) is donating 100 000 euro, Pelastakaa Lapset (Save the children) is giving 25 000 euro and Kirkon Ulkomaanapu (the Curch's abroadhelp) is donating 100 000 euro. Plus medical help, doctors and operation helpers and the likes.
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Cabdullahi
12-31-2008, 03:56 PM
the arab leaders want hamas to be abolished completely,they all have agreed on this, these ayats spring to mind,the quran tells us 1400 years ago subhanallah

[Shakir 2:9] They desire to deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they do not perceive.

فِي قُلُوبِهِم مَّرَضٌ فَزَادَهُمُ اللّهُ مَرَضاً وَلَهُم عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ بِمَا كَانُوا يَكْذِبُونَ {10}
[Shakir 2:10] There is a disease in their hearts, so Allah added to their disease and they shall have a painful chastisement because they lied.

وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ لاَ تُفْسِدُواْ فِي الأَرْضِ قَالُواْ إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ مُصْلِحُونَ {11}
[Shakir 2:11] And when it is said to them, Do not make mischief in the land, they say: We are but peace-makers.

أَلا إِنَّهُمْ هُمُ الْمُفْسِدُونَ وَلَـكِن لاَّ يَشْعُرُونَ {12}
[Shakir 2:12] Now surely they themselves are the mischief makers, but they do not perceive.

وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ آمِنُواْ كَمَا آمَنَ النَّاسُ قَالُواْ أَنُؤْمِنُ كَمَا آمَنَ السُّفَهَاء أَلا إِنَّهُمْ هُمُ السُّفَهَاء وَلَـكِن لاَّ يَعْلَمُونَ {13}
[Shakir 2:13] And when it is said to them: Believe as the people believe they say: Shall we believe as the fools believe? Now surely they themselves are the fools, but they do not know.

وَإِذَا لَقُواْ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ قَالُواْ آمَنَّا وَإِذَا خَلَوْاْ إِلَى شَيَاطِينِهِمْ قَالُواْ إِنَّا مَعَكْمْ إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ مُسْتَهْزِئُونَ {14}
[Shakir 2:14] And when they meet those who believe, they say: We believe; and when they are alone with their Shaitans, they say: Surely we are with you, we were only mocking.

اللّهُ يَسْتَهْزِئُ بِهِمْ وَيَمُدُّهُمْ فِي طُغْيَانِهِمْ يَعْمَهُونَ {15}
[Shakir 2:15] Allah shall pay them back their mockery, and He leaves them alone in their inordinacy, blindly wandering on.

أُوْلَـئِكَ الَّذِينَ اشْتَرُوُاْ الضَّلاَلَةَ بِالْهُدَى فَمَا رَبِحَت تِّجَارَتُهُمْ وَمَا كَانُواْ مُهْتَدِينَ {16}
[Shakir 2:16] These are they who buy error for the right direction, so their bargain shall bring no gain, nor are they the followers of the right direction.

مَثَلُهُمْ كَمَثَلِ الَّذِي اسْتَوْقَدَ نَاراً فَلَمَّا أَضَاءتْ مَا حَوْلَهُ ذَهَبَ اللّهُ بِنُورِهِمْ وَتَرَكَهُمْ فِي ظُلُمَاتٍ لاَّ يُبْصِرُونَ {17}
[Shakir 2:17] Their parable is like the parable of one who kindled a fire but when it had illumined all around him, Allah took away their light, and left them in utter darkness-- they do not see.

صُمٌّ بُكْمٌ عُمْيٌ فَهُمْ لاَ يَرْجِعُونَ {18}
[Shakir 2:18] Deaf, dumb (and) blind, so they will not turn back.
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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 03:57 PM
The bad thing is that the bombings will create even more hatred towards Israel, more hatred brings more violence, more violence brings less peace.
I doubt Israel and Palestine will ever reach a peaceful solution.
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The_Prince
12-31-2008, 03:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
The bad thing is that the bombings will create even more hatred towards Israel, more hatred brings more violence, more violence brings less peace.
I doubt Israel and Palestine will ever reach a peaceful solution.
yes, no peace with vampires like Israel, they need to be obliterated.
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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 04:01 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
yes, no peace with vampires like Israel, they need to be obliterated.
And what do you propose the Palestinians should do in the meantime? Bomb and be bombed or try to achieve a relative peace?
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The_Prince
12-31-2008, 04:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
And what do you propose the Palestinians should do in the meantime? Bomb and be bombed or try to achieve a relative peace?
it doesnt matter what i say, what will happen is that the Palis will take the onslaught as they have always done, and will come out of it more determined than before, Israel will never break the resistence. At the same time even while they take the onslaught the Palis will fight and bomb back.

Israel is trying to look all big and bad now for their humiliation back in 2006, too bad everyone knows that for all of Israel's heavy fire power they have lost the plot, and their future looks bleak, their not the big bad boys of the past, what Israel is doing now may have worked a while ago, not any more, strategically Israel is a nobody anymore, and it will get worst for them as time goes by. as we speak Israel is hesitent about stating their goals, and launching a ground offensive, this stuttering is a sign of how times have changed and how Israel has lost the plot.
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Ar-RaYYan
12-31-2008, 04:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Most countries have called for an immediate ceasefire.
As long as Hamas is targeting rockets Israel has the right to protect itself. They are targeting Hamas, according to an UN organisation about 70 civilians have been killed so far compared to 280 Hamas militants, that's 1 to 4, quite a good score considering Hamas puts its bases inside civilian areas.
what only 70 civilians dead considering Israel bombs Hamas bases which is inside civilian areas! i'm sorry but i dont accept that figure! how do we know those '280 Hamas militants' were actually members of Hamas! i doubt all of them were.
Anywas where does the UN get that information from - i wonder if its a Israeli source ^o)
I really dont get the point of having a UN organisation since they say whatever the US wants them to say
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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 04:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ar-RaYYan
what only 70 civilians dead considering Israel bombs Hamas bases which is inside civilian areas! i'm sorry but i dont accept that figure! how do we know those '280 Hamas militants' were actually members of Hamas! i doubt all of them were.
Anywas where does the UN get that information from - i wonder if its a Israeli source ^o)
I really dont get the point of having a UN organisation since they say whatever the US wants them to say
They visited hospitals and morgues and counted the casualties.
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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 04:17 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
it doesnt matter what i say, what will happen is that the Palis will take the onslaught as they have always done, and will come out of it more determined than before, Israel will never break the resistence. At the same time even while they take the onslaught the Palis will fight and bomb back.

Israel is trying to look all big and bad now for their humiliation back in 2006, too bad everyone knows that for all of Israel's heavy fire power they have lost the plot, and their future looks bleak, their not the big bad boys of the past, what Israel is doing now may have worked a while ago, not any more, strategically Israel is a nobody anymore, and it will get worst for them as time goes by. as we speak Israel is hesitent about stating their goals, and launching a ground offensive, this stuttering is a sign of how times have changed and how Israel has lost the plot.
Do you think Palis themselves can beat Israel?
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The_Prince
12-31-2008, 04:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Do you think Palis themselves can beat Israel?
yes i do. the tide will turn. but it wont happen like that, it will be a united effort, not just the Palestinians, :)
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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 04:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
yes i do. the tide will turn. but it wont happen like that, it will be a united effort, not just the Palestinians, :)
Yeah, Palis wont do it without Arab/Muslim help.
I think its clear the Arab world won't come united against Israel for some time so what I'm asking is whether you think Palis should keep rocketing Israel and risk Israeli retribution or try to make Gaza a better place to live?
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The_Prince
12-31-2008, 04:23 PM
for starters everyone thinks big sophisticated army means automatic victory, which is not the case. secondly, and most importantly, God is on our side, and he will crush Israel with whatever weapon they have, so indeed, victory will be ours. the small Muslim armies managed to defeat the mighty byzantines and persians, something many would say was impossible considering numbers and strength, but when God is on your side, it doesnt matter, God wll help the Muslims.
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The_Prince
12-31-2008, 04:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Yeah, Palis wont do it without Arab/Muslim help.
I think its clear the Arab world won't come united against Israel for some time so what I'm asking is whether you think Palis should keep rocketing Israel and risk Israeli retribution or try to make Gaza a better place to live?
well, they stopped firing rockets, nothing happened, things got worst, Israel tightened is blockade, so what more do you want Palestinians to do? they did their part, you guys didnt do your part, continued your aggression. so tell me, how are Palis supposed to improve life in Gaza when all borders are closed, seas are closed, and air is closed?

so i say Palis should go back to firing rockets, its better to suffer while fighting, rather than suffer while doing nothing, as they say, if your going to die, die with honour.
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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 04:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
well, they stopped firing rockets, nothing happened, things got worst, Israel tightened is blockade, so what more do you want Palestinians to do? they did their part, you guys didnt do your part, continued your aggression. so tell me, how are Palis supposed to improve life in Gaza when all borders are closed, seas are closed, and air is closed?

so i say Palis should go back to firing rockets, its better to suffer while fighting, rather than suffer while doing nothing, as they say, if your going to die, die with honour.
Israel tightened its blockade so Hamas could not recuperate during the truce.
There were times of relative peace and prosperity.
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The_Prince
12-31-2008, 04:29 PM
Palestinians have DONE EVERYTHING in the correct way, you wanted democratic elections? you got them, but you didnt like the result, so what did u do? shut the goverment out, make a blockade, and starve the people. then at the same time you targetted the goverment, killing them, kidnapping them, destroying their offices and bases. and if thats not bad enough, you then tried to launch a coup against them via fatah!

what more do you want the Palis to do???????
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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 04:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
Palestinians have DONE EVERYTHING in the correct way, you wanted democratic elections? you got them, but you didnt like the result, so what did u do? shut the goverment out, make a blockade, and starve the people. then at the same time you targetted the goverment, killing them, kidnapping them, destroying their offices and bases. and if thats not bad enough, you then tried to launch a coup against them via fatah!

what more do you want the Palis to do???????
Elect a government whose goal is not the imminent destruction of Israel.
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The_Prince
12-31-2008, 04:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Israel tightened its blockade so Hamas could not recuperate during the truce.
There were times of relative peace and prosperity.

there was no prosperity on the Palestinian side, this is made up nonsense, the conditions for these people have been getting worst.

and wow, your comment REALLY ANNOYS ME! so you admit that Israel tightend the blockade, YET PART OF THE CEASEFIRE WAS TO LIFT AND EASE IT! so you admit here for everyone that Israel did not abide by the ceasfire, and then you talk about peace???? get real will you! sheesh! so why the hell should the Palestinians stop firing rockets when Israel wont do its part? answer: THEY SHOULDNT STOP.
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The_Prince
12-31-2008, 04:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Elect a government whose goal is not the imminent destruction of Israel.
so now we should elect people whom you like? Many Israeli goverments have been elected which are against the creation of a Palestinian state, again, when will you end your double standards?

your just a hypocrite, you talk about democracy, you get democracy, now you say ohhhhhhhh well we dont like who you voted for, so we will blockade you, punish you, bomb you, and kill you.

so by your logic osama bin laden will have every right to kill voters of bad US goverments, ok, so next time you are attacked, dont complain, just elect a different goverment. :) im using ur standards.
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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 04:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
YET PART OF THE CEASEFIRE WAS TO LIFT AND EASE IT!
Was it?
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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 04:39 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
so now we should elect people whom you like? Many Israeli goverments have been elected which are against the creation of a Palestinian state, again, when will you end your double standards?
your just a hypocrite, you talk about democracy, you get democracy, now you say ohhhhhhhh well we dont like who you voted for, so we will blockade you, punish you, bomb you, and kill you.
so by your logic osama bin laden will have every right to kill voters of bad US goverments, ok, so next time you are attacked, dont complain, just elect a different goverment. :) im using ur standards.
I understand, but its the way it is. Palestinians can democratically decide whether they want peace or war. What I'm saying is that in the light of the Arab world not helping them for a long time they should vote for peace.
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The_Prince
12-31-2008, 04:40 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Was it?
yes! Hamas would end firing rockets, and as a result Israel would ease the blockade and hard conditions, so the Palis could make their lives better as suggested. so Hamas did what u said, stop rockets, so they can make their lives better, yet Israel did not allow this, they tightened the blockade, it became so bad most Palis in Gaza went below the poverty line.
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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 04:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
yes! Hamas would end firing rockets, and as a result Israel would ease the blockade and hard conditions, so the Palis could make their lives better as suggested. so Hamas did what u said, stop rockets, so they can make their lives better, yet Israel did not allow this, they tightened the blockade, it became so bad most Palis in Gaza went below the poverty line.
did Israel officially agree to loosening the blockage?
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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 04:46 PM
The blockage was tightened in Novemeber, the first rockets hit the south in November as well. Who started it?
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The_Prince
12-31-2008, 04:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
did Israel officially agree to loosening the blockage?
when they madethe ceasefire, both agreed, hamas ends rockets, in return Israel opens the siege, and yes, they signed these agreements, Israel never abided by it.
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crayon
12-31-2008, 04:50 PM
I just googled and this was the first result:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...581467173.html
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Whatsthepoint
12-31-2008, 04:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by crayon
I just googled and this was the first result:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...581467173.html
Thats bad.
I stand corrected.
Nevertheless I still think a proper Palestinian government should try to seek peace rather than dispute.
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themuffinman
12-31-2008, 05:34 PM
when america denied the african americans their rights before the civil rights movement did they they not fight for their basic rights? Palestinians have every right to fight for what is theirs. their land, and their basic human rights
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Argamemnon
12-31-2008, 05:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
Israel broke the ceasfire first, and have broken it on several occasions, offcourse since your a kaffir terrorist, you dont mention these things.
What can you expect. Westerners don't know because they are brainwashed by the media. They actually believe that Israel is defending itself.
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Argamemnon
12-31-2008, 05:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
for starters everyone thinks big sophisticated army means automatic victory, which is not the case.
Well, obviously it is victory, hence the state of Israel exists. Hence the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan by a very small number of American troops. Saying that the enemy is weak doesn't mean that they are. The muslim world must invest in education, science and research otherwise the humiliation will continue. Talking in vain (empty words and bragging) won't bring victory. Never.
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aadil77
12-31-2008, 05:49 PM
Pray that this Iranian Combatant Clergy Society thing works out, seems the iranians are the only ones with enough balls to do something

isn't this an enough reason for a global jihad against oppressors
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islamirama
12-31-2008, 07:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Elect a government whose goal is not the imminent destruction of Israel.
No one asked you to be in here troll, get your behind out of here before you derail this thread as well like last time. It's so typical of your kind to always turn the table around and start whining about Israel being violated. Grow a back bone and some eyes for once and see who is being slaughtered. An occupation is an occupation, now matter how many of your terrorist regimes get together and call it israhell or whatever names you come up with!
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islamirama
12-31-2008, 07:02 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
Pray that this Iranian Combatant Clergy Society thing works out, seems the iranians are the only ones with enough balls to do something

isn't this an enough reason for a global jihad against oppressors
The malaysians also are sending around 1,000 volunteers to fight.

Prophet (saws) and earlier righteous rulers have waged jihaad for violation of a honor of a single woman and where we have whole countries being occupied, slaughtered and violated.
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islamirama
12-31-2008, 07:06 PM



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islamirama
12-31-2008, 07:10 PM
http://www.fatwa-online.com/news/0020221.htm

Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez Aal ash-Shaykh:

"Indeed waging war against the weak Muslims in Palestine is (Israeli) terrorism and oppression.

...today the Muslim Ummah was passing through a severe phase which requires it to take a close look (at itself) so that it can become a single Ummah defending and protecting it's 'aqeedah".

...

http://www.fatwa-online.com/news/0020414.htm

Shaykh Saalih ibn Fowzaan:

"It is obligatory upon the Muslims to make supplication for their Muslim brothers and to assist them with wealth. To assist them with wealth and supplication, this is what is obligatory, and this is what will benefit them.”

...

http://www.fatwa-online.com/fataawa/.../0020406_1.htm

Shaykh Ibn Baaz:

"It has been confirmed to us by trustworthy and reliable witnesses that the Palestinian intifaadhah (uprising) and those who have stood forth in this are from the most dedicated Muslims there, and that their jihaad is (an) Islaamic (one). This is because they are oppressed by the Jews, and that which is obligatory upon them is to protect their religion and themselves and their families and children and to drive out their enemy from their land with all they are able to of strength."

...

http://www.fatwa-online.com/fataawa/.../0020404_1.htm

Shaykh Ibn Baaz:

"Certainly, the Muslim(s) feel much pain and great sadness at the deteriorating situation in Palestine, with matters going from bad to worse, escalating in complexity as the days pass, such that it has reached where it has (today).

...and that which is worth mentioning here, is that the Palestinian issue is an Islaamic issue from the beginning (right through) to the end."
...

For further fataawa regarding Palestine

http://www.fatwa-online.com/worship/jihaad/jih003/index.htm


PLEASE NOTE: Terrorism is prohibited in Islaam, and these fataawa do not in any way or form imply it's permissibility or acceptance. Rather, they provide qualified Islaamic legal rulings from the recognised Senior Scholars of Islaam to oppose those who have caused oppression by occupying Palestinian land.

Question:

What can we do about the slaughter of Muslims in Palestine and around the world? What is our stance concerning the slaughter of Muslims in Palestine and other parts of the world that is happening right now, where houses are being destroyed, farms are being wrecked, children are being killed, the wounded are being detained in the streets, houses are being bombarded and people are being prevented by the Jews and others, from buying the food and drink that they need? What can I, as a Muslim, do?


Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

1- You have to make du’aa’, and recite du’a’ al-qunoot in your salaah (prayer).

2- Collect charity and send it through trustworthy channels.

3- Support the weak and oppressed in all ways, including the media and the internet.

4- Get scholars, daa’iyahs, khateebs and writers to explain the oppression that is happening and the negligence on the part of the ummah, and to mobilize the ummah to defend the holy places.

5- Check on one’s own intentions with regard to fighting for the sake of Allaah, and see whether he is applying the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whoever dies without having fought for the sake of Allaah or having had the intention of doing so, has died following one of the branches of hypocrisy.” (Saheeh Muslim, no. 3533)

6- Pursuing all the means of building up material and moral strength, in preparation for meeting the enemy (in battle).

7- Reminding oneself and others of the virtues of martyrdom for the sake of Allaah and studying the rulings on jihad, and not having an attachment to this world.

8- Doing as much damage as possible to the enemies who are in a state of war with us, by boycotting their products, attacking them verbally and in writing to humiliate and annoy them, and to point out their kufr and shirk, and their insults to Allaah, His Messenger and the believers, publishing as much as possible in the audio-visual and print media about this serious topic whilst also connecting that to Islamic belief and the words of Allaah and His Messenger,

We ask Allaah the Exalted and All-Powerful to support His religion and cause His word to prevail.


Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/21284/

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nocturnal
12-31-2008, 11:44 PM
The Arab regimes are the real enemies here. Israel is doing what it has historically done since it's inception. It is the duty of the Arab and Muslim countries to form a united front and take measures to allevieate the suffering of the Palestinians.

Egypt can threaten to close of the Suez, the other Arab nations can withold oil from international markets. They can rescind multi-billion dollar deals with western multinationals. Yet no one is even contemplating it.
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islamirama
01-01-2009, 12:04 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by nocturnal
The Arab regimes are the real enemies here. Israel is doing what it has historically done since it's inception. It is the duty of the Arab and Muslim countries to form a united front and take measures to allevieate the suffering of the Palestinians.

Egypt can threaten to close of the Suez, the other Arab nations can withold oil from international markets. They can rescind multi-billion dollar deals with western multinationals. Yet no one is even contemplating it.
That's because either they are kuffar or rebellious munafiqs who care more for their power and will do anything to hold onto that power.
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aadil77
01-01-2009, 12:04 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
The malaysians also are sending around 1,000 volunteers to fight.

Prophet (saws) and earlier righteous rulers have waged jihaad for violation of a honor of a single woman and where we have whole countries being occupied, slaughtered and violated.
May Allah grant them success

I hope more people recognise this as a valid reason for jihad and that the muslim leaders would grow some balls
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nocturnal
01-01-2009, 12:11 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
That's because either they are kuffar or rebellious munafiqs who care more for their power and will do anything to hold onto that power.
Id say they care more for the power and primacy of their own benefactors in the US, than their sense of obligation towards their own kith and kin.
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aadil77
01-01-2009, 12:16 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
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"It has been confirmed to us by trustworthy and reliable witnesses that the Palestinian intifaadhah (uprising) and those who have stood forth in this are from the most dedicated Muslims there, and that their jihaad is (an) Islaamic (one). This is because they are oppressed by the Jews, and that which is obligatory upon them is to protect their religion and themselves and their families and children and to drive out their enemy from their land with all they are able to of strength."

...

http://www.fatwa-online.com/fataawa/.../0020404_1.htm

Shaykh Ibn Baaz:

"Certainly, the Muslim(s) feel much pain and great sadness at the deteriorating situation in Palestine, with matters going from bad to worse, escalating in complexity as the days pass, such that it has reached where it has (today).

...and that which is worth mentioning here, is that the Palestinian issue is an Islaamic issue from the beginning (right through) to the end."



PLEASE NOTE: Terrorism is prohibited in Islaam, and these fataawa do not in any way or form imply it's permissibility or acceptance. Rather, they provide qualified Islaamic legal rulings from the recognised Senior Scholars of Islaam to oppose those who have caused oppression by occupying Palestinian land.


Thats settled, its confirmed to be Jihad in the cause of Allah to fight against these tyrants

May Allah grant success to the Mujahideen
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Tony
01-01-2009, 12:46 AM
Oil, land, money etc etc etc. al the wars ever waged in the name of politics or religion. When we see children maimed, murdered , orphaned, forced to fight, raped and violated beyond human comprehension. And we see their blood and deaths on the hands of government leaders in the guise of war on terror and we do nothing this is also our shame. I am sick to the pitt of my stomach that noone does anything to help the children, I am ashamed that I cant do more, where can we find details of protests coming up, if I dont do something to help these children in Gaza I dont think I can live with myself. Allah help protect these children from evil and evildoers
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Snowflake
01-01-2009, 12:47 AM
O Allah! Revealer of the Book, Swift to account, I plead with You Ya Muntaqim to avenge Your and our enemies and send upon them your wrath. Defeat and shake them. Free the Ummah from oppression and take account of every drop of muslim blood spilt. Wake the Ummah to fight in your cause, in defence of muslim lives, homes and property. Help us Ya Waliyy. Grant the mujahideen victory Ya Fattaah. Help us O Allah........ help us :cry::cry::cry:
Allahumma ameen...
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The_Prince
01-01-2009, 07:10 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
Well, obviously it is victory, hence the state of Israel exists. Hence the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan by a very small number of American troops. Saying that the enemy is weak doesn't mean that they are. The muslim world must invest in education, science and research otherwise the humiliation will continue. Talking in vain (empty words and bragging) won't bring victory. Never.
its not talking in vain, even the Quran says what i said, which is were i based my statement on, even for all of their sophistication Israel will not win in the end, and will be defeated, just because they exist and have success does not mean there is no chance of a victory, nor does it mean a victory will not come for the Muslims.
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Argamemnon
01-01-2009, 10:18 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
Try this one bro, you can do it online.

http://www.islamic-relief.com/Emerge...y.aspx?emID=47
:sl:

I have donated, I urge EVERYONE to do the same. Please.. maybe we should post this Islamic relief site on other forums as well...

:w:
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aadil77
01-01-2009, 01:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by TKTony
Oil, land, money etc etc etc. al the wars ever waged in the name of politics or religion. When we see children maimed, murdered , orphaned, forced to fight, raped and violated beyond human comprehension. And we see their blood and deaths on the hands of government leaders in the guise of war on terror and we do nothing this is also our shame. I am sick to the pitt of my stomach that noone does anything to help the children, I am ashamed that I cant do more, where can we find details of protests coming up, if I dont do something to help these children in Gaza I dont think I can live with myself. Allah help protect these children from evil and evildoers
Got this in an email

Gaza Demonstration and Rally dates across the UK

Following is a list of dates, places with timings where demonstrations against the Israeli raid on Gaza are scheduled.

Thursday 1st January 2009

BRISTOL
5pm to 6pm. Centre, opposite the Hippodrome

LONDON
2pm to 4pm. Outside Israeli Embassy, Kensington High Street, London, W4. Nearest tube Kensington High Street (turn right out of tube station and walk along the main road.

Friday 2nd January 2009

BRISTOL
5pm to 6pm. Centre, opposite the Hippodrome

LONDON
2pm to 4pm. Outside the Egyptian Embassy, 26 South Street, London, W1K 1DW. Call for Egypt to open the border immediately.

MANCHESTER
5pm to 7pm. Piccadilly Gardens. Vigil and leafleting.

Saturday 3rd January 2009

BRADFORD
1pm. Infirmary Fields, Bradford - March and City Centre rally

BRISTOL
3pm to 4pm. Centre, opposite the Hippodrome.

DURHAM
Assemble 10.45am for 11am start. Gaza protest march from Millennium Square (Gala Theatre) through Durham to Cathedral.

EDINBURGH
12 Noon. Foot of the Mound, Princes Street.

EXETER
12 Noon at Bedford Square, Exeter High Street
Bring flowers and wear black if you can
One minute vigils every half hour
Well have petitions, leaflets, banners etc. Join in with friends, relatives, EVERYONE!!

GLASGOW
12 Noon. Outside Lloyds TSB St Vincent Street, then assemble for demo at Blytheswood Square at 2pm

HASTINGS
3pm Vigil in Harold Place.

HULL
11am. Queen Victoria Square.

LIVERPOOL
12 Noon to 2pm St. Lukes Church - top of Bold Street.

LONDON (Major Rally)
12.30pm onwards. Demonstration and rally: Assemble at Parliament Square/Embankment, SW1. Nearest tube Westminster.

MANCHESTER
Assemble: 12 noon on Cavendish St, All Saints Park on Oxford Rd. Manchester (further down from the BBC) March through city centre to Albert Square.

NEWCASTLE
12 Noon to 2pm Greys Monument in Newcastle.

NORWICH
12 Noon to 1pm, Outside St. Peter Mancroft Church in the Millennium Library Square

PORTSMOUTH
11am. Guildhall Square. Organised by Portsmouth Network for a Just Settlement of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, and Portsmouth Stop the War Coalition.

SHEFFIELD
Assemble at 12 Noon. Outside Sheffield Town Hall.

TUNBRIDGE WELLS
12 Noon. Tunbridge Wells shopping precinct

YORK
1pm. St. Sampsons Square in York.

The Last Prophet (sa) of Allah (swt) stated: 'He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with the help of his hand; and if he has not strength enough to do that, then he should do it with his tongue; and if he has not strength enough to do even that, then he should (at least abhor it) from his heart; and that is the least of faith' [Sahih Muslim]
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Al-Zaara
01-01-2009, 03:28 PM
I just read one of the top leaders of Hamas died.

About 400 people dead... Allah Allah...
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Binto al ISLAM
01-01-2009, 04:43 PM
لا إله إلا الله
there is nothing to be said about this genocide that is happenning in GHAZA :cry:, no body in doing anything , we are all just watching :-[palestanians being killed and tortured and .... no body does really anything , there are just few people that remember to pray ALLAH to help palestanians in there war to defend our religion and our dignity , there are in deed the only nation that really really cares about ISLAM and doing there best for defending it , they are fighting in the name of ISLAM and all we do is just cry and whine a little bit , than forget about it , shame on us -starting by me- ......
اللهم انصر إخواننا في "فلسطين" ، اللهم دمر أعداء الدين ، اللهم دمرهم و أرنا فيهم عجائب قدرتك إنك على كل شيء قدير
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Ansariyah
01-01-2009, 05:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scents of Jannah
O Allah! Revealer of the Book, Swift to account, I plead with You Ya Muntaqim to avenge Your and our enemies and send upon them your wrath. Defeat and shake them. Free the Ummah from oppression and take account of every drop of muslim blood spilt. Wake the Ummah to fight in your cause, in defence of muslim lives, homes and property. Help us Ya Waliyy. Grant the mujahideen victory Ya Fattaah. Help us O Allah........ help us :cry::cry::cry:
Allahumma ameen...
Ameen, Allahuma Ameen.

''Or do you think that you shall enter the gardens of Bliss (al-Jannah) without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? They encountered suffering and adversity and they were shaken, that even the messenger and those who believed with him cried, When will come the help of Allah!
And verily, the help of Allah is near!''
Al-Baqarah: 214



“So do not become weak, nor be sad, and you will be superior (in victory) if you are indeed (true) believers.” [Surah Aali-Imran 3:139
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malayloveislam
01-01-2009, 05:47 PM
La Ilaaha Illallah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Astaghfirullah, What a GENOCIDE!!!! I am so terrified with the pictures, why can't we Muslim Ummah all over the world help our brothers and sisters Muslim in Palestine???? This made me sick of Muslim Government and Nations, we only can talk without any acts taken. The only hope is Iran, but Egypt didn't open her border. Why are we still depending on the US?? Saudi Arabia should lead us but Saudi too had been too dependent on the US in the term of monetary unit and business dealing. I hate my Government too now and I hate myself for only can talk here, I only can offer my prayers to Lord Allah to grant mercy on those brothers and sisters who suffer in Palestine.
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KAding
01-01-2009, 07:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by malayloveislam
La Ilaaha Illallah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Astaghfirullah, What a GENOCIDE!!!! I am so terrified with the pictures, why can't we Muslim Ummah all over the world help our brothers and sisters Muslim in Palestine???? This made me sick of Muslim Government and Nations, we only can talk without any acts taken. The only hope is Iran, but Egypt didn't open her border. Why are we still depending on the US?? Saudi Arabia should lead us but Saudi too had been too dependent on the US in the term of monetary unit and business dealing. I hate my Government too now and I hate myself for only can talk here, I only can offer my prayers to Lord Allah to grant mercy on those brothers and sisters who suffer in Palestine.
How do you suggest they help the Palestinians exactly?
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Argamemnon
01-01-2009, 07:16 PM
Iran helped Lebanon tremendously by creating Hezbollah. Israel has been invading Lebanon since 1982, and Hezbollah repeatedly kicked them out. If it wasn't for Hezbollah, I think Lebanon would have also been added to Israel's list of illegally occupied territories. I don't necessarily agree with Hezbollah's politics and such, but all people have the right to defend themselves, and clearly they are defending Lebanese territory.

The most succesful modern Arab army in the 20th century by far:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=BulJZwfBNpY

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=EStxEtEwYnM

As Norman Finkelstein (of Jewish descent!) said: the only way is to fight Israel. There is no other solution.
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Tony
01-01-2009, 07:33 PM
aadil77, thankyou bro, unfortunately by time I saw post the marches already happened, would have gone to bradford 1. is there any more
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aadil77
01-01-2009, 09:03 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by TKTony
aadil77, thankyou bro, unfortunately by time I saw post the marches already happened, would have gone to bradford 1. is there any more
Saturday 3rd January 2009

BRADFORD
1pm. Infirmary Fields, Bradford - March and City Centre rally
the one in bradford is on saturday

unfortunately i've not got any here in leicester
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Banu_Hashim
01-01-2009, 09:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Scents of Jannah
O Allah! Revealer of the Book, Swift to account, I plead with You Ya Muntaqim to avenge Your and our enemies and send upon them your wrath. Defeat and shake them. Free the Ummah from oppression and take account of every drop of muslim blood spilt. Wake the Ummah to fight in your cause, in defence of muslim lives, homes and property. Help us Ya Waliyy. Grant the mujahideen victory Ya Fattaah. Help us O Allah........ help us :cry::cry::cry:
Allahumma ameen...
Ameen. Allahumma Ameen.
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islamirama
01-01-2009, 09:08 PM
Obama on Gaza: ‘No Comment’

December 27, 2008




“There was no immediate comment on the Israeli air strikes on Gaza from Obama, who is vacationing with his family in Hawaii, or his staff.”

This is how our incoming President has reacted to the worst attack on the Palestinian people in 20 years – by not reacting at all.


The Bush White House, of course, has responded as we all know they would: Israel-has-the-right-to-defend itself, let the killing begin, etc., ad nauseum.


And don’t expect much better from the Obama camp. Remember how he scolded the UN for daring to even discuss the Gaza situation?:


We have to understand why Israel is forced to do this… Israel has the right to respond while seeking to minimize any impact on civilians. The Security Council should clearly and unequivocally condemn the rocket attacks… If it cannot bring itself to make these common sense points, I urge you to ensure that it does not speak at all.”

With his silence – or, at least, his very delayed reaction – it seems clear that Obama is taking his own advice. Even as Israel takes the possibility of a new page in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict off the agenda, and sabotages all his brave talk about a renewed US diplomatic effort, the great “liberal” hope is apparently tongue-tied. And when he finally speaks, “progressives” should prepare for the worst: after all, this is someone who endorsed the Israeli re-invasion of Lebanon.


The Israeli-Palestinian “peace process”? The Israelis, for their part, are having none of it – and neither is our future President.
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islamirama
01-01-2009, 09:17 PM
Saudi cleric issues fatwa urging Muslims to avenge Gaza raids

December 28, 2008

A Saudi Web site on Sunday reported that a popular cleric has issued a fatwa urging Muslims to target Israeli interests everywhere, to avenge the attacks on the Gaza Strip.

The site, Rasid, posts news about Saudi Arabia’s Shiite community and on Sunday said that Sheik Awadh al-Garni has issued a religious edict urging Muslims to strike anything that has a link to Israel, calling it a legitimate target for Muslims everywhere.

Al-Garni, whose is popular in the kingdom, is not a member of the official religious establishment.

Fatwas are not legally binding, and it is up to the individual Muslim to follow them.

Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Sunday also issued a religious decree to Muslims around the world, ordering them to defend Palestinians against Israel’s attacks on Gaza, state television said.
"All Palestinian combatants and all the Islamic world’s pious people are obliged to defend the defenseless women, children and people in Gaza in any way possible. Whoever is killed in this legitimate defense is considered a martyr," state television quoted Khamenei as saying in a statement.
Israel launched an unprecedented assault on the Gaza Strip on Saturday, killing at least 280 people and sparking protests and condemnations throughout the Arab world.

Many of Israel’s Western allies urged restraint, though the U.S. blamed Hamas for the fighting.

In his statement on Sunday, Khamenei also criticized some Arab governments for their "encouraging silence" towards the Israel’s raids on Gaza.

Hamas leaders go into hiding

Meanwhile, Hamas’ political leaders in the Gaza Strip have gone into hiding in the wake of Israel’s operation on the coastal territory, fearing that they will once again be targeted in the attacks.

In Damascus, Syria, Hamas’ top leader, Khaled Meshal, called on Palestinians to rekindle their fight against Israel and renew suicide bombings against Israeli targets. "This is the time for a third Intifada," he said.

In a speech broadcast on local Gaza television, Hamas’ prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh, declared his movement would not be cowed. "We are stronger, and more determined, and have more will, and we will hold onto our rights even more than before," Haniyeh said.

Abu Ubeida, spokesman for the organization’s military wing, the Iz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades vowed harsh retaliation: "The Israeli occupation needs to know that it has cast itself into the fire," he said.

The Egyptian minister said a cease-fire would be the aim of a meeting of Arab foreign ministers in Cairo on Wednesday.

Several Arab leaders have also proposed an Arab summit to respond to the attacks on Gaza but Aboul Gheit suggested that a summit could be some way off.

"Priority is the Arab measures at the level of foreign ministers … then we can look at a later phase, but we don’t imagine moving without proper preparation for such a summit. First we have to look at the ceasefire measures," he said.

The TV images of dead and wounded Gazans has inflamed Arab public opinion, and protests erupted in Arab Israeli villages, the West Bank and elsewhere in the Arab world.

The campaign embarrassed moderate Arab regimes that have encouraged Israeli-Palestinian peacemaking and weakened Hamas’ rival, Abbas, who has ruled only the West Bank since Hamas was elelcted in power but forced to control only Gaza since June 2007.

Abbas condemned the attacks on Saturday, but fearing violence could spiral out of control, his forces also broke up protests in the West Bank.

The offensive risked opening new fronts, including unrest that could destabilize the West Bank and ignite possible rocket attacks by Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas on northern Israel.

Haaretz | Sunday, December 28, 2008
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islamirama
01-01-2009, 09:22 PM
Cynthia McKinney's boat is rammed by Israeli ships:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=EZeNdI...e=channel_page

This is a great video. She mentions Israel's attack on the USS Liberty.
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islamirama
01-01-2009, 09:27 PM

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themuffinman
01-01-2009, 09:35 PM
man iv been feeling so down lately about this whole thing, feel so helpless, rallys and boycotts and charities r all good but there is only so much they can do, it makes you thankful for the privileges u have an angry that u really cant make a difference to help. how much more must these people suffer before the muslims open their eyes and remove their corrupt leaders who sit with their hands in their laps and say not a word
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islamirama
01-01-2009, 09:47 PM
Dua is the weapon of the believers, make lots of duas, donate money relief groups and anything else you can do to help bro.


What can I, as a Muslim, do?


Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

1- You have to make du’aa’, and recite du’a’ al-qunoot in your salaah (prayer).

2- Collect charity and send it through trustworthy channels.

3- Support the weak and oppressed in all ways, including the media and the internet.

4- Get scholars, daa’iyahs, khateebs and writers to explain the oppression that is happening and the negligence on the part of the ummah, and to mobilize the ummah to defend the holy places.

5- Check on one’s own intentions with regard to fighting for the sake of Allaah, and see whether he is applying the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whoever dies without having fought for the sake of Allaah or having had the intention of doing so, has died following one of the branches of hypocrisy.” (Saheeh Muslim, no. 3533)

6- Pursuing all the means of building up material and moral strength, in preparation for meeting the enemy (in battle).

7- Reminding oneself and others of the virtues of martyrdom for the sake of Allaah and studying the rulings on jihad, and not having an attachment to this world.

8- Doing as much damage as possible to the enemies who are in a state of war with us, by boycotting their products, attacking them verbally and in writing to humiliate and annoy them, and to point out their kufr and shirk, and their insults to Allaah, His Messenger and the believers, publishing as much as possible in the audio-visual and print media about this serious topic whilst also connecting that to Islamic belief and the words of Allaah and His Messenger,

We ask Allaah the Exalted and All-Powerful to support His religion and cause His word to prevail.


Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/21284/
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aadil77
01-01-2009, 10:01 PM
:sl:

any updates on the iranians and malays that were supposed to be sent to fight?
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Qingu
01-01-2009, 10:06 PM
Islamarama, who would you suggest giving charity to?

Hamas?

Because they don't really seem to have their people's best interest in mind to me. I condemn Israel's aggression, but I absolutely fail to see how Hamas is helping the situation by lobbing rockets at Israel. I fail to see how Hamas expects or wants anything other than total warfare through their actions.

Israel occupied Palestinian territory and won several wars. Muslims have done the same thing throughout all their history. Imagine if the people Muslims conquered acted as aggressively as Hamas does to the Israelis. Imagine if the Christians and Jews in Al-Andalus threw stones at their Muslim conquerers and sent assassins into Muslim neighborhoods.

I don't care who started it or which side is worse. As far as I'm concerned, anyone on either side who seeks to use violence is culpable, and deserves condemnation from Muslims and Westerners alike.
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Tony
01-01-2009, 10:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
the one in bradford is on saturday

unfortunately i've not got any here in leicester
Thanks, I will definately be there brother, has to be better than nothing, thanks very much:sl:
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themuffinman
01-01-2009, 10:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Qingu
Islamarama, who would you suggest giving charity to?

Hamas?

Because they don't really seem to have their people's best interest in mind to me. I condemn Israel's aggression, but I absolutely fail to see how Hamas is helping the situation by lobbing rockets at Israel. I fail to see how Hamas expects or wants anything other than total warfare through their actions.

Israel occupied Palestinian territory and won several wars. Muslims have done the same thing throughout all their history. Imagine if the people Muslims conquered acted as aggressively as Hamas does to the Israelis. Imagine if the Christians and Jews in Al-Andalus threw stones at their Muslim conquerers and sent assassins into Muslim neighborhoods.

I don't care who started it or which side is worse. As far as I'm concerned, anyone on either side who seeks to use violence is culpable, and deserves condemnation from Muslims and Westerners alike.
when the muslims conquered the land they did not force out the people living there, they did not starve the christians and jews, they didnt make the land a prison for them....
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Tony
01-01-2009, 10:30 PM
[QUOTE=Qingu;1072455]Islamarama, who would you suggest giving charity to?

Hamas?

Because they don't really seem to have their people's best interest in mind to me. I condemn Israel's aggression, but I absolutely fail to see how Hamas is helping the situation by lobbing rockets at Israel. I fail to see how Hamas expects or wants anything other than total warfare through their actions.

Israel occupied Palestinian territory and won several wars. Muslims have done the same thing throughout all their history. Imagine if the people Muslims conquered acted as aggressively as Hamas does to the Israelis. Imagine if the Christians and Jews in Al-Andalus threw stones at their Muslim conquerers and sent assassins into Muslim neighborhoods.

Islamic releif as islamarama has already pointed out several times in several ways. He has pointed out the medicines needed and other nescessities.
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Qingu
01-01-2009, 10:43 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by themuffinman
when the muslims conquered the land they did not force out the people living there, they did not starve the christians and jews, they didnt make the land a prison for them....
Depends on the source you consult. I've heard the Muslims were not particularly kind to the Indians they conquered.

But that doesn't even matter. Like I said, I don't care who "started" it. Palestinians say Israel started it by treating them horribly; Israelis say that the Palestinians started it by attacking them with terrorists and suicide bombers. But it doesn't matter who started the conflict now—all that matters is what methods will best end it.

Would you agree that Hamas has done absolutely nothing to end this conflict?
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islamirama
01-01-2009, 10:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Qingu

Would you agree that Hamas has done absolutely nothing to end this conflict?
Don't derail my thread like a typical troll, This thread is about massacre of Palestinians by a terrorist regime. The world, the US, the zionist pigs have done nothing to end this. They want to destroy a legitimate government elected by the palestinains and they are handing out collective punishment to them for electing someone that doesn't kiss the zionist behind like that dog abbas does. This thread is the highlight the suffering of the innocent palestinains by this terrorist barbaric occupying regime and providing aide to the needy. Go discuss your politics in another thread.
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Cabdullahi
01-01-2009, 11:05 PM
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1051028.html

These are the names of the glorious military victory we achieved there - Jawaher, age 4; Dina, age 8; Sahar, age 12; Ikram, age 14; and Tahrir, age 17, all sisters of the Ba'lousha family, all killed in a "precise" strike on the mosque. Another three sisters, a 2-year-old brother and their parents were injured. Twenty-four neighbors were wounded and five homes and three stores destroyed. This part of the military victory did not open our television or radio news broadcasts yesterday morning, nor did they appear on many Israeli news Web sites.
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Fishman
01-01-2009, 11:08 PM
:sl:
Israel must stop attacking and settling in Gaza and the west Bank, and the Palestinians must stop bombing Israel if this conflict is ever going to be solved. But they won't simply agree to that, since the Palestinians are irrational bigots and the Israelis are treacherous schemers.

In our day and age, very rarely does war bring peace.
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Qingu
01-01-2009, 11:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Fishman
:sl:
Israel must stop attacking and settling in Gaza and the west Bank, and the Palestinians must stop bombing Israel if this conflict is ever going to be solved. But they won't simply agree to that, since the Palestinians are irrational bigots and the Israelis are treacherous schemers.

In our day and age, very rarely does war bring peace.
Neither does labeling all Palestinians as "bigots" or all Israelis as "schemers."

There are plenty of people on both sides who want real peace. There are plenty of Palestinians who are perfectly willing to work with Israelis and reject Hamas' violence. There are plenty of Israelis (and Americans) who want the Palestinians to have their own country and reject the oppression and disproportional violence of the Israeli government.
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Fishman
01-01-2009, 11:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Qingu
Neither does labeling all Palestinians as "bigots" or all Israelis as "schemers."

There are plenty of people on both sides who want real peace. There are plenty of Palestinians who are perfectly willing to work with Israelis and reject Hamas' violence. There are plenty of Israelis (and Americans) who want the Palestinians to have their own country and reject the oppression and disproportional violence of the Israeli government.
:sl:
I'm just talking about the governments, not the people. But plently of people from both countries haven't impressed me much either...
:w:
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Qingu
01-01-2009, 11:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Fishman
:sl:
I'm just talking about the governments, not the people. But plently of people from both countries haven't impressed me much either...
:w:
Alright, I don't disagree with you there. I just think it's important to acknowledge that there are at least some good people on both sides.
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malayloveislam
01-01-2009, 11:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
How do you suggest they help the Palestinians exactly?
We Muslim should enforce our own military power!!! No more listening to the US nor the UN, they only are thinking of their own benefits and dragging others into sufferings with their greed. The UN is the tool of Western Arrogant Colonial Tool, just like Old Days. I hate to assume the US as enemy but the reality is they are, we can't live in dream anymore. The OIC and Arab league should not only being negotiators but they should act rather than talking!!!!! I only can see that Libya alone is brave, other countries in Arab league are just mouth-bickering with each other. My country too is actually pro-US. I hate my Government! Allah had said that we can't take non-Muslims as Awliyaa (Friends and Guarantor). Allah is the Only whom we can trust in because He never and will never deceives us.

Stop all kind of business dealing with the US in international level. Start business among Muslim countries, this new President would just be the same as before, they have their policy permanently stripped over their nose. We are in several countries compared to Israel. They are just one. Palestinian should be replaced in other Muslim countries, if Muslim Arab countries refuse to take them, other non-Arab Muslim countries can accept them while their country gaining peace, poor hapless children, old folks, and women, they are bombarded even in the refugee camp. They are innocent!
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Qingu
01-02-2009, 12:16 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by malayloveislam
We Muslim should enforce our own military power!!! No more listening to the US nor the UN, they only are thinking of their own benefits and dragging others into sufferings with their greed. The UN is the tool of Western Arrogant Colonial Tool, just like Old Days. I hate to assume the US as enemy but the reality is they are, we can't live in dream anymore. The OIC and Arab league should not only being negotiators but they should act rather than talking!!!!! I only can see that Libya alone is brave, other countries in Arab league are just mouth-bickering with each other. My country too is actually pro-US. I hate my Government! Allah had said that we can't take non-Muslims as Awliyaa (Friends and Guarantor). Allah is the Only whom we can trust in because He never and will never deceives us.

Stop all kind of business dealing with the US in international level. Start business among Muslim countries, this new President would just be the same as before, they have their policy permanently stripped over their nose. We are in several countries compared to Israel. They are just one. Palestinian should be replaced in other Muslim countries, if Muslim Arab countries refuse to take them, other non-Arab Muslim countries can accept them while their country gaining peace, poor hapless children, old folks, and women, they are bombarded even in the refugee camp. They are innocent!
What military power? I don't mean to belittle Muslim countries, but they have no useful military power.

Palestinians lost the war against Israel. Every country that fought a war against Israel has lost. If you are suggesting Muslim countries declare all-out war on Israel or the United States, consider that both of these countries have nuclear weapons—the consequences of an all-out war could be total annihilation.

The only way Muslim countries can fight Western powers (or China and Russia) is through assymetrical warfare. This is what Hamas and Hezbollah already do. The reason they are able to do so is because they are not (officially) affiliated with state governments, against which Western powers could retaliate in force. Of course, these groups have done Palestinians no good either for their entire history.

Why do you think Muslims would prevail in a violent confrontation when they have lost every violent confrontation in Israel's modern history?
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Tony
01-02-2009, 12:27 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Qingu
What military power? I don't mean to belittle Muslim countries, but they have no useful military power.

Palestinians lost the war against Israel. Every country that fought a war against Israel has lost. If you are suggesting Muslim countries declare all-out war on Israel or the United States, consider that both of these countries have nuclear weapons—the consequences of an all-out war could be total annihilation.

The only way Muslim countries can fight Western powers (or China and Russia) is through assymetrical warfare. This is what Hamas and Hezbollah already do. The reason they are able to do so is because they are not (officially) affiliated with state governments, against which Western powers could retaliate in force. Of course, these groups have done Palestinians no good either for their entire history.

Why do you think Muslims would prevail in a violent confrontation when they have lost every violent confrontation in Israel's modern history?
Allah is on our side
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KAding
01-02-2009, 12:32 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by malayloveislam
We Muslim should enforce our own military power!!!
I don't understand this. You are outraged about 400 dead Palestinians, so in response you advocate an approach that might well lead to large scale war and massive loss of Muslim life?
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islamirama
01-02-2009, 12:45 AM
Israeli rabbis: Thou shalt kill civilians
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020202


According to this logic this means that Muslims can attack civilians in cities and towns in the United States and Europe that send troops, warplanes, bombs, missiles and military supplies to kill Muslims and destroy their homes in Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia.



Why do Christians, Jews and secularists condemn the concept of jihad in Islaam and do not condemn the Jews for the same concept?
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Whatsthepoint
01-02-2009, 12:59 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by TKTony
Allah is on our side
Where has he been hiding for the past 60 years?^o)
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Whatsthepoint
01-02-2009, 01:04 AM
This article illustrates the difference between Israel and Iran.
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Whatsthepoint
01-02-2009, 01:07 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Al-Zaara
I just read one of the top leaders of Hamas died.
Along with 7 members of his family.
And they hit a mosque too, though it was supposedly used as a terror hub, according to the Haaretz.
Fortunately it is coming to an end.
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Argamemnon
01-02-2009, 02:00 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Where has he been hiding for the past 60 years?^o)
Not just 60 years, Muslims have been losing wars to the West for hundreds of years now, ever since the decline of the Ottoman Empire in the 17th century. As to God, He never helps people who don't help themselves. Muslims must be doing things wrong, that's why we are suffering. No doubt.
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Qingu
01-02-2009, 02:48 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
Why do Christians, Jews and secularists condemn the concept of jihad in Islaam and do not condemn the Jews for the same concept?
I condemn it. So does everyone I'm personally close with.

Believe it or not, islamirama, a lot of Americans—not to mention Europeans, and even Israelis—do not support Israel's actions in Palestine. I am against religious extremism and "eye-for-an-eye" morality wherever it occurs.

That said, you left out this part of the article:

"The four added that a warning should be issued prior to any attacks; however, they reiterated that the army's response to rocket or mortar fires may be immediate "even if there is no time for a warning."

The rabbis argued that the army should announce that it would bomb any civilian community from which a rocket is fired to force the local residents into confronting those who fire rockets or mortars at Israeli targets."
I still don't support the rabbis' position, but you are exaggerating how cold-blooded that position is. To my knowledge, Hamas does not issue warnings when they fire rockets indiscriminately into civilian centers.
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islamirama
01-02-2009, 03:07 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Qingu
I condemn it. So does everyone I'm personally close with.

Believe it or not, islamirama, a lot of Americans—not to mention Europeans, and even Israelis—do not support Israel's actions in Palestine. I am against religious extremism and "eye-for-an-eye" morality wherever it occurs.
I'm glad to hear that Qingu, I was also pleased to see worldwide protests against this terrorist regime and it's terrorizing of the Gazans. I believe most people (Muslim or non-Muslim) are good in nature but sadly ignorant of the facts or misinformed and mislead on purpose by their gov'ts and media for their hidden agenda purposes.
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The_Prince
01-02-2009, 03:35 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Where has he been hiding for the past 60 years?^o)
When Allah does finally bring his wrath upon you and his enemies, dont say you didnt know it was comming.

infact what you just said is quite nice, since Allah quotes kaffirs as yourself saying the exact same thing, where is Allah to help the Muslims? he only gives you respite for a time being to increase your own evilness and sin, so your destruction becomes much worst and you have no escape nor excuse.
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wth1257
01-02-2009, 03:42 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Qingu
What military power? I don't mean to belittle Muslim countries, but they have no useful military power.

Palestinians lost the war against Israel. Every country that fought a war against Israel has lost. If you are suggesting Muslim countries declare all-out war on Israel or the United States, consider that both of these countries have nuclear weapons—the consequences of an all-out war could be total annihilation.

The only way Muslim countries can fight Western powers (or China and Russia) is through assymetrical warfare. This is what Hamas and Hezbollah already do. The reason they are able to do so is because they are not (officially) affiliated with state governments, against which Western powers could retaliate in force. Of course, these groups have done Palestinians no good either for their entire history.

Why do you think Muslims would prevail in a violent confrontation when they have lost every violent confrontation in Israel's modern history?
I don't encourage war, however actually the last time Israel tangled with Hezbollah in Lebanon there was no clear victor.
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islamirama
01-02-2009, 06:01 AM
Interesting Comments I found on Aljazeera's English channel's website:

link


The corrupt and criminal Israeli leaders have said they aspire to live in peace and not to provoke them into attacking Gaza. Governments which aspire to peace do not (1) use cluster bombs, (2) indiscriminately use missile strikes to kill innocent children, women and men bystanders, (3) carry out preemptive illegal assassinations of suspected opponents (4) illegally abduct, imprison and torture critics (5) blockade and cut electric power to struggling civilians (6) harass and humiliate Palestinians on a daily basis (7) forcibly retake the land and properties from Palestinian owners (7) prevent Palestinians from returning to their own land (8) withhold natural resources and money meant for Palestine (9) violate UN resolutions and humanitarian rights and (10) ignore overwhelming international condemnation. The Israeli government can wisely make amends or continue on its disastrous path and be held responsible for war crimes and forced to pay reparations and relinquish Palestine.
Sunny, Ottawa, Canada

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If we analyse, Hamas itself was created by Israelis due to a manner of brute force. How? Hamas are group of Palestinian people who have seen their family members getting killed by the Zionist terrorists in front of their eyes. Hamas would have never evolved if the Zionists were of peaceful blood. Even the faithful Jews are against the Zionist terrorist regime. The USA govt and the UN are controlled by Zionist Israelis. The US economy is failing due to Wars against innocents being framed for nothing, and due to pumping of billions and trillions of dollars into a country which is good for nothing (Israel). Israel just wants to frame Hamas as terrorist and conquer the whole of Gaza strip.
shiva, hyderabad, India

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allowing aid into ireland is called free trade, into Palestine its called a terror act. Long live Palestine.
eoindavid, dublin, Ireland

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I propose that the UN should decide to form a strong police force aiming to guarantee law and order in Gaza.’ - Pelle, Stockholm, Sweden. Really? How can the UN do this without Israel’s permission and when Israel can bar UN members from entering Israel? On Dec 14 Richard Falk who is a professor of international law and the UN's special rapporteur on the Palestinian territories, was barred entry by Israel. He was leading a UN mission that had intended to visit the West Bank and Gaza to prepare a report on Israel's compliance with human rights standards and international humanitarian law. On Dec 14, in Tel Aviv air port, he was taken to a locked tiny room that smelled of urine and filth. It contained five other detainees and close to claustrophobia. He spent 15 hours so confined, in the miseries of prison life, including dirty sheets, inedible food and lights that were too bright.
Gim, Aden, Yemen

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Alladin, you have been duped and you have to remove the blinker to see the truth. Seth Freedman in his article “Remove The Blinkers and See the Truth” says: “The fact that the Israeli regime has not beheaded me for my dissent is ample proof that all is well in our little corner of the Middle East. Which, of course, it isn't, despite the best efforts of Israel's squadron of cheerleaders to convince the world otherwise. Although I am a relative newcomer to Israel's Mediterranean shores, the amount of exposure I have had during my four-year sojourn in the Holy Land to the daily humiliation and oppression being meted out to the Palestinians is more than most armchair critics will see in a lifetime. I should know – I was one of them myself for my first 24 years on the planet, and am all too aware how easy it is to be duped by second- or third-hand reporting from the front lines, whether through the media or via friends and family giving their skewed take from inside Israel's borders."
Gim, Aden, Yemen

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Aladdin: “The root cause for the ME problem is religion as you know” – No it isn’t. The root cause is political Zionism’s desire to impose “Jewish” ethnic sovereignty over Palestine. In other words their aim being to make a homeland out of Palestine for people from foreign lands whilst disregarding the rights and aspirations of the indigenous population is the problem. The religion of Judaism was co-opted by the mainly secular Zionists to give their enterprise some sort of spurious legitimacy. To answer your Q1: The Zionists of course, who else? And Q2: They will never willingly abandon their enterprise, they will need to be compelled to do it and the US and or an awakening to morality of diaspora “Jews” holds the key to this.
Colin Mitchell, Johannesburg, South Africa
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islamirama
01-02-2009, 06:57 AM
Statement released by

The Permanent Committee for Islaamic Research and Verdicts : on the Palestinian crisis

The Permanent Committee for Islaamic Research and Verdicts in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, has followed – with all sorrow and pain- what has occurred, and is still going on against our Muslim brethren in Palestine – and specifically in Gaza. That which is [actions] of oppression, and killing of children, and women and old people! And [it is] transgression on that which is sacred [innocent], and the destruction of infrastructure and institutions, and the terrorizing of innocent people. And there is no doubt that this is a crime and oppression on the rights of the Palestinian nation.

And at this sorrowful event; it is an obligation on the Muslims to be with their Palestinian brethren, and to help and aid them, and to make an effort to lift the oppression against them – through any means which is of their reach – so as to actualize the Islamic bond, and the ties of 'Eeman.

Allaah The Exalted said: "The believers are indeed brothers [in Islâmic religion]."(Al-Hujuraat: 10)

And He The Most Mighty, The Most Majestic said: "The believers, men and women, are Auliyâ' (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another…"(At-Tawba : 71)

And The Prophet (sallahAllaahu alayhi wasallam) said: "The believer to another believer is like the structure [like a wall] ; each part strengthens the other,' and then he co-enjoined his fingers."(Agreed upon)

And he (may Allaah's blessings and good mention be upon him) also said: "The example of the believers in their relationship, and their love, and their having mercy upon each other ; is like the example of one body part to the rest of the body; if one part is affected then the whole body complains of fever and pain."(Agreed upon)

And he (may Allaah's blessings and good mention be upon him) also said: "The Muslim is the brother of another Muslim; he does not oppress him, nor does he deceive him, nor does he give him up to the enemy, nor does he look down on him."(Narrated by Muslim)

And help comprises of many things –according to the ability, and depending on the situations – whether it is intellectually or physical [things], or whether it is from the general Muslims through wealth, and food, and medicine, and clothing, and other things. Or whether it is from the Islamic Arab nations through making it easy and possible that the aid reaches them, and by taking a sincere position in regards to their [the Palestinian Muslims] matter, and by supporting their case in the gatherings, and seminars, and the international conferences: And all of these are from the ways of co-operation upon good and piety – which is something that is ordered- in the statement of The Exalted :

"Help you one another in virtue, righteousness and piety…"(Al-Maaida : 2)

And also from those ways is: to direct sincere advice to them [the Muslims in Palestine], and to direct them to that which is of good and of benefit to them. And from the greatest of those is to make du'aa for them -at all times – so that their tribulation is lifted, and their affliction is raised, and that their situation is rectified, and that their statements and actions become good.

Upon this, we also advise our Muslim brethren in Palestine to have fear of Allaah – The Exalted- and to return to Him, just as we advise them to be united; upon the truth, and to leave off divisions and splitting up, and not to give a chance to the enemy – who has taken advantage of it – and will continue to use it in enmity and oppression.

And we also encourage and emphasize our brethren to take the causes which will lead to lifting the oppression directed at their land – while having complete sincerity to Allaah The Exalted – in [those and all other] actions, and to seek His pleasure, and to seek His assistance – through righteous actions, and prayers, and consulting the scholars and people of wisdom; in all their matters – indeed that is a way of being facilitated [to that which is good] and establishment.

Just as we call on to the intellectuals in the world and the international meetings; to have an open look at this catastrophe – with a look of insight, intellect, and equality – so that the Palestinian community can be given its rights. And so that the oppression be lifted from it: such that they live in a honourable life. And at the same time we thank all -the nations and individuals- who have initiated in aiding and helping them.

We ask Allaah by His Beautiful Names and His Lofty Attributes; that He lifts the despair on this Ummah, and that He strengthens its religion, and to raise its statement, and to aid His allies, and to disgrace His enemies -and to return back their plots against themselves- and to save the Muslims from their evil, Indeed He is the Patron, and the One who is Most Able of all that. And may His blessings and good mention be upon our Prophet Muhammad, and also his family and his companions and those who follow them upon good; upto the Last Day.
His eminence; the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia,
President of the Council of Senior Scholars,
Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez Ibn 'Abdullaah Aal ash-Shaykh.
Member of Permanent Committee for Islaamic Research and Verdicts
Translation by Abu Waheeda As-Salafi
5th Muharram 1429.
Source : The Madeenah Journal
http://www.al-madina.com/node/89303
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Tony
01-02-2009, 07:24 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Where has he been hiding for the past 60 years?^o)
idiot
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Anette
01-02-2009, 09:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
I'm glad to hear that Qingu, I was also pleased to see worldwide protests against this terrorist regime and it's terrorizing of the Gazans. I believe most people (Muslim or non-Muslim) are good in nature but sadly ignorant of the facts or misinformed and mislead on purpose by their gov'ts and media for their hidden agenda purposes.
We are many who protests in every way we can. The attack on Gaza happened when many people still celebrated Christmas with their family. This is not any coincidence. It has taken a long time to gather the political opposition. In Sweden our opposition parties now urges FN to step in to force Israel to stop the killing.

Since the attack I have wrote many contributions to discussions in my blogg since my Swedish is so much better then my English. Articles only read by some hundreds, but some of the readers are politicians. If everyone who not agrees protests in any way they possible can, maybe the wind eventually will change. The devastating killing in Gaza has to stop right now, but you have to do what you as a person can do right now. And it hurts when you can not do anything for the people in Gaza, right now at this minute. But it also hurt when the gulf between Islamic and western countries become more profound due to what happens. This is not a solution to move away from each other, we have to unify to make this madness stop.

Peace
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aadil77
01-02-2009, 09:34 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Qingu
Islamarama, who would you suggest giving charity to?

Hamas?

Because they don't really seem to have their people's best interest in mind to me. I condemn Israel's aggression, but I absolutely fail to see how Hamas is helping the situation by lobbing rockets at Israel. I fail to see how Hamas expects or wants anything other than total warfare through their actions.

Israel occupied Palestinian territory and won several wars. Muslims have done the same thing throughout all their history. Imagine if the people Muslims conquered acted as aggressively as Hamas does to the Israelis. Imagine if the Christians and Jews in Al-Andalus threw stones at their Muslim conquerers and sent assassins into Muslim neighborhoods.

I don't care who started it or which side is worse. As far as I'm concerned, anyone on either side who seeks to use violence is culpable, and deserves condemnation from Muslims and Westerners alike.
So what somehow now all our muslim charities support hamas?

According kuffars we can't even donate now!
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KAding
01-02-2009, 10:38 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by TKTony
Where has he been hiding for the past 60 years?
idiot
With all due respect Tony, but what kind of response is that? It seems a completely legitimate point made by Whatsthepoint. It didn't help the Palestinians in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 or 1980, which seems to suggest He didn't intervene, at least not those times. Why would He intervene now? Can you truely advocate starting a war against a nuclear armed country which has superior military power on the basis that "Allah is on your side"? Can you truly risk massive slaughter of Muslims with that argument?
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Argamemnon
01-02-2009, 10:48 AM
Muslims must rid their societies of all sorts of corruption, ignorance, degeneration, perversion and violence. It is not possible to fool Allah (swt); doing evil and un-Islamic deeds and expecting victory - it doesn't work that way.
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Ummu Sufyaan
01-02-2009, 10:59 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
With all due respect Tony, but what kind of response is that? It seems a completely legitimate point made by Whatsthepoint. It didn't help the Palestinians in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 or 1980, which seems to suggest He didn't intervene, at least not those times. Why would He intervene now? Can you truely advocate starting a war against a nuclear armed country which has superior military power on the basis that "Allah is on your side"? Can you truly risk massive slaughter of Muslims with that argument?
look, with all due respect, i understand that for an atheist its hard to believe that god will help. as Muslims, we believe He will, its just a matter of time. i hope you realize that we do have patience.



oin topic, i heard on Press TV last night that only "elders" were allowed to attend Jumuah prayer (friday prayer) at al-Aqsa mosque...(apparently the "youngens" are too intimidating to the Israelis :D)
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Trumble
01-02-2009, 11:30 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ramlah
look, with all due respect, i understand that for an atheist its hard to believe that god will help. as Muslims, we believe He will, its just a matter of time. i hope you realize that we do have patience.
God hasn't shown much sign of being the Palestinian 'side' for last sixty years.

The worry this atheist has is that there have been too many wars in which both sides were convinced "God is on our side". Not to mention that there have been many conflicts in which many more muslims (not to mention everybody else) have died pointlessly than in this one, with no sign of any dvine intervention. Where was God while hundreds of thousands died in Darfur? Indeed, please name one war, throughout history (as opposed to myth) in which there has been any sign of divine intervention? The best way is to end violence is stop fighting, not rely on something so totally implausible.

So how do we do that? All we can do is remember that governments do not always represent peoples. Significant, and real diplomatic and economic pressure needs to be put on Israel.. the levers are there to be pulled, it's just up to us to persuade our governments to do so. And, frankly, that would be so much easier if the idiots of Hamas stopped providing people with excuses with their totally pointless rocket attacks.
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Ummu Sufyaan
01-02-2009, 12:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
God hasn't shown much sign of being the Palestinian 'side' for last sixty years.
reread my post, then come back and throw crappy arguments back at me
as i said:
i hope you realize that we do have patience.


The worry this atheist has is that there have been too many wars in which both sides were convinced "God was on their side". Not to mention that there have been many conflicts in which many more muslims (not to mention everybody else) have died pointlessly than in this one, with no sign of any dvine intervention.
why should there be divine intervention when we don't even help ourselves. by helping ourselves i mean going back to the quran and sunnah <---that was aimed at Muslims more than anyone...
and along the lines of what was previously mentioned...
Muslims must rid their societies of all sorts of corruption, ignorance, degeneration, perversion and violence. It is not possible to fool Allah (swt); doing evil and un-Islamic deeds and expecting victory - it doesn't work that way.
Where was God while hundreds of thousands died in Darfur? Indeed, please name one war, throughout history (as opposed to myth)
in which there has been any sign of divine intervention? The best way is to end violence is stop fighting, not rely on something so totally implausible.
define myth. is it the quran, or is it the history books :rolleyes:



and lastly, this is about the Palestinian holocaust and our efforts to propagate and expose the terrorist, i,e Israel...if you have nothing to say on topic, then vacate the flippin' thread, what's there to it!!!
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Argamemnon
01-02-2009, 01:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ramlah
i hope you realize that we do have patience.
Actually, Muslim countries have been losing wars for hundreds of years, "patience" is not the solution. We must fix our societies and use our brain instead of bragging and hoping that God will do everything for us. That's not an Islamic attitude..
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Ummu Sufyaan
01-02-2009, 01:14 PM
:sl:
perhaps you should also reread my post
and along the lines of what was previously mentioned...

Muslims must rid their societies of all sorts of corruption, ignorance, degeneration, perversion and violence. It is not possible to fool Allah (swt); doing evil and un-Islamic deeds and expecting victory - it doesn't work that way.
where on earth did i mention "sitting back and relaxing?"
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Argamemnon
01-02-2009, 01:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ramlah
:sl:
where on earth did i mention "sitting back and relaxing?"
:sl:

you didn't say it, but it seemed to imply that... and don't worry it's not about you, it's a disease of ours.
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KAding
01-02-2009, 02:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ramlah
look, with all due respect, i understand that for an atheist its hard to believe that god will help. as Muslims, we believe He will, its just a matter of time.
I understand that is your belief. But read the context in which TKTony made that remark, it was in response to a post by malayloveislam who advocated immediate military action.

i hope you realize that we do have patience.
I'm not so sure. There are many that say "we need to act now". In fact, the whole approach of Hamas seems to be one of "acting is more important than achieving results". IMHO it seems to be driven by emotions, not a rational analysis of the circumstances on the ground.
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Trumble
01-02-2009, 02:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ramlah
and lastly, this is about the Palestinian holocaust and our efforts to propagate and expose the terrorist, i,e Israel...if you have nothing to say on topic, then vacate the flippin' thread, what's there to it!!!
Please re-read my post! Or perhaps you would prefer I joined those clamouring for the armed forces of 'Islam' to intervene militarily (and multiply the death toll by a hundred thousand or so)?!

define myth
A traditional story accepted as history by some.
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nocturnal
01-02-2009, 02:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
Please re-read my post! Or perhaps you would prefer I joined those clamouring for the armed forces of 'Islam' to intervene militarily (and multiply the death toll by a hundred thousand or so)?!



A traditional story accepted as history by some.
Intervention in this case is the only way of mitigating the suffering of the Palestinians. Because at the end of this bombardment will only come another shaky ceasefire. I don't think Israel can realistically expect to totally wipe out Hamas and it's authority in Gaza. What they're probably seeking to do is emasculate them severely enough to the point where any ceaserfire terms are dictated by israel and in doing so, to weaken Hamas' position and its authority.

There is no need to project this particular onslaught in religious terms, because pretty much as every reasonable, open-minded person in the world can discern, this is a case of unrelenting aggression towards an entire nation dispossesed. It transcends religion, it's about the value of human life and to what extent, we collectively as the international community can sit by impassively as israel embarks on this ruinous campaign of bloodletting.

If NATO could intervene in Kosova, surely this is a much more stronger, and tenable case with evidence of israeli atrocities being played out right in front of the world's eyes. There is no case for not intervening.
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malayloveislam
01-02-2009, 02:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Where has he been hiding for the past 60 years?^o)
He is not hiding but He is watching us everyday, every time, every minute, and every second. We can't gain peace because we are not in UNITY! Our fate will remain the same if we keep quarreling and dealing with non-Muslims in addition the US and EU who are responsible for what had happened in Middle East particularly in Palestine. This is called as Trial and Tribulation. We Muslim should leave behind Racist baseless Nationalism, rather going back to Islam. Islam should be practiced in every aspect of life, not only at the mouth.
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Thinker
01-02-2009, 03:18 PM
Whilst I share the sentiments of sadness for the misery of daily life in Palestine I wonder why few here and beyond seem to stretch their minds beyond a knee jerk reaction. I wonder whether the misery of the Palestinian people would be diminished or increased if they were joined by a couple of thousand gun wielding young men from Iran or Indonesia?

I wonder how it got to this - WHY this happened, what Hamas want and what the Israelis want?

I believe Hamas are controlled by Iran and I wonder whether the Palestinian people are being used as pawns in a game being played out by Ahmadinejad and the lunatic fundamentalists?

How can anyone solve anything without knowing what the other side wants? The only answers I can find in searching for what Hamas and the Iranians want is the complete annihilation of Israel and the Jews. Is that what they want; is that the starting point for negotiation or am I missing something? (I am asking the question not making a statement)
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malayloveislam
01-02-2009, 03:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Qingu
What military power? I don't mean to belittle Muslim countries, but they have no useful military power.

Palestinians lost the war against Israel. Every country that fought a war against Israel has lost. If you are suggesting Muslim countries declare all-out war on Israel or the United States, consider that both of these countries have nuclear weapons—the consequences of an all-out war could be total annihilation.

The only way Muslim countries can fight Western powers (or China and Russia) is through assymetrical warfare. This is what Hamas and Hezbollah already do. The reason they are able to do so is because they are not (officially) affiliated with state governments, against which Western powers could retaliate in force. Of course, these groups have done Palestinians no good either for their entire history.

Why do you think Muslims would prevail in a violent confrontation when they have lost every violent confrontation in Israel's modern history?
What good did the US had done to Palestinians, Iraqis, and Afghanistan instead of mass-destruction. Before the US intervened in Muslim countries affairs there is no Terrorist threats from Muslim countries. But after the US had mingle in, everything became hay-wire. The US or Israel can have Nuclear weapons but Muslim countries are prohibited with what reason??? So that the US and Israel could survive and colonizing others. Muslim countries can't even defend themselves and being terrorized badly.

Those countries who had lost in war with Israel because other Muslim countries did not help them but rather watching afar and the US had been lending their hands to Israel, the US already had been sophistificated with weaponaries and they can act as they like without being disturbed by others after it has became a "Big Bully".

Also not to forget some of Muslim countries still had been seized under British and French colonization, thus they are still weak. Today what we can do is to ISOLATE the US and dealing only among ourselves, use Gold Dinar as Monetary Unit in Business not in Dollar nor Euro anymore. We don't have to listen to the US about Nuclear weapon, like what Iran had practiced. Who is the US to prevent us from doing anything that we think suitable for our security??? They never signed Kyoto Protocol so that they can kill and terrorizing others. But others should sign it to be killed by them, they have no right to call Muslim who are defending their land as terrorists. They are those actual terrorists because they had intruded others lands. Pakistan too had developed Nuclear weapon, I hope Pakistan do not waste it with India and China at the first hand.
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wth1257
01-02-2009, 03:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker
Whilst I share the sentiments of sadness for the misery of daily life in Palestine I wonder why few here and beyond seem to stretch their minds beyond a knee jerk reaction. I wonder whether the misery of the Palestinian people would be diminished or increased if they were joined by a couple of thousand gun wielding young men from Iran or Indonesia?

I wonder how it got to this - WHY this happened, what Hamas want and what the Israelis want?

I believe Hamas are controlled by Iran and I wonder whether the Palestinian people are being used as pawns in a game being played out by Ahmadinejad and the lunatic fundamentalists?

How can anyone solve anything without knowing what the other side wants? The only answers I can find in searching for what Hamas and the Iranians want is the complete annihilation of Israel and the Jews. Is that what they want; is that the starting point for negotiation or am I missing something? (I am asking the question not making a statement)
not quite.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/dreyf...ns?rel=sidebox

Yesterday Obama got an official US intelligence briefing on the crisis in Gaza, which may or may not have numbed his brain with data he didn't need. Obama didn't need an intelligence briefing to tell him anything he really needs to know: that, once again, the twin poles of Israeli and Palestinian extremism have flared up in a way that will only undermine, perhaps fatally, the chances of a negotiated accord during Obama's first term in office.

The only useful intelligence Obama might have gained from the briefing is that the Mossad knew, before Israel's massive attack on Gaza, that Hamas was only trying to make a show of force. That is, Hamas' not-too-bright leaders thought that they could get away with a few hundred rocket attacks into Israel and then renegotiate a better ceasefire deal. Like the less-than-brilliant strategists in Georgia, who thought that they could attack Russia with impunity and who instead got their heads handed to them last August, Hamas' own armchair fanatics thought they could get away with it. Oops. The Wall Street Journal reports today:


In recent weeks, Israeli intelligence officials have said they believed Hamas doesn't want a full-scale confrontation, but rather wants to make a show of force before seeking a renewed cease-fire on more favorable terms.

If that's true, and there's little reason to think it isn't, it was certainly within Israel's power to exercise restraint -- or perhaps to engage in a little tit-for-tat counterattacks -- while waiting for things to settle down. But, no. Hamas, for its part, should have known that it was firing its rockets directly into Israel's pre-election political mess, in which hardline extremists like Bibi Netanyahu are gaining the upper hand. And the power of those extremists, playing on Israeli public opinion and its fears, pushed the pathetic Olmert-Livni government over the brink. (It's particularly disgusting that Olmert, who in his various exit interviews and speeches has pretty much acknowledged that Israel needs a deal involving the removal of Jewish settlements and the partition of Jerusalem, would go along with the overkill in Gaza.)
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Keltoi
01-02-2009, 03:29 PM
The best scenario at this point would be Israel cancelling any ground attack into Gaza. If that takes place we will see hundreds more dead Palestinians and a deeper humanitarian crisis.
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KAding
01-02-2009, 03:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by wth1257
not quite.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/dreyf...ns?rel=sidebox

Yesterday Obama got an official US intelligence briefing on the crisis in Gaza, which may or may not have numbed his brain with data he didn't need. Obama didn't need an intelligence briefing to tell him anything he really needs to know: that, once again, the twin poles of Israeli and Palestinian extremism have flared up in a way that will only undermine, perhaps fatally, the chances of a negotiated accord during Obama's first term in office.

The only useful intelligence Obama might have gained from the briefing is that the Mossad knew, before Israel's massive attack on Gaza, that Hamas was only trying to make a show of force. That is, Hamas' not-too-bright leaders thought that they could get away with a few hundred rocket attacks into Israel and then renegotiate a better ceasefire deal. Like the less-than-brilliant strategists in Georgia, who thought that they could attack Russia with impunity and who instead got their heads handed to them last August, Hamas' own armchair fanatics thought they could get away with it. Oops. The Wall Street Journal reports today:

In recent weeks, Israeli intelligence officials have said they believed Hamas doesn't want a full-scale confrontation, but rather wants to make a show of force before seeking a renewed cease-fire on more favorable terms.

If that's true, and there's little reason to think it isn't, it was certainly within Israel's power to exercise restraint -- or perhaps to engage in a little tit-for-tat counterattacks -- while waiting for things to settle down. But, no. Hamas, for its part, should have known that it was firing its rockets directly into Israel's pre-election political mess, in which hardline extremists like Bibi Netanyahu are gaining the upper hand. And the power of those extremists, playing on Israeli public opinion and its fears, pushed the pathetic Olmert-Livni government over the brink. (It's particularly disgusting that Olmert, who in his various exit interviews and speeches has pretty much acknowledged that Israel needs a deal involving the removal of Jewish settlements and the partition of Jerusalem, would go along with the overkill in Gaza.)
Interesting analysis. Sounds spot-on to me. Israel has used this event to make a point to the Palestinian people that supporting Hamas will not be in their immediate interests. At the same time they no doubt hope to weaken Hamas and make clear that any future 'show of force' is a bad idea.

Israel simply doesn't follow the logic of 'tit-for-tat', their philosophy is "if you mess with us you can expect us to respond with overwhelming force". The exact same happened in the 2006 Summer War. Hizbullah largely scaled down its military operations against Israel following its withdrawal from South Lebanon in 2002, yet even a relatively small military incursion in 2006 was met with a massive response from Israel.
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wth1257
01-02-2009, 03:40 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
Interesting analysis. Sounds spot-on to me. Israel has used this event to make a point to the Palestinian people that supporting Hamas will not be in their immediate interests. At the same time they no doubt hope to weaken Hamas and make clear that any future 'show of force' is a bad idea.

Israel simply doesn't follow the logic of 'tit-for-tat', their philosophy is "if you mess with us you can expect us to respond with overwhelming force". The exact same happened in the 2006 Summer War. Hizbullah largely scaled down its military operations against Israel following its withdrawal from South Lebanon in 2002, yet even a relatively small military incursion in 2006 was met with a massive response from Israel.
thanks, The Nation is a great news source

That may be their policy, however it is in violation of international law.
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KAding
01-02-2009, 04:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by wth1257
thanks, The Nation is a great news source

That may be their policy, however it is in violation of international law.
Because it isn't a 'proportional' you mean? True.

The Israeli response would no doubt be that Hamas has never respected international law or agreements either. Alas, two wrongs don't make a right.
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islamirama
01-02-2009, 04:33 PM
GAZA: Who calls the shots


I want to tell you something very clear: don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America and the Americans know that,” - Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, the current Iranophobic president of Zionist entity.

“I was a tank commander in Israeli military. I spent one month in jail because I refused to deploy to Gaza in 2002. I felt it was my duty to refuse clearly illegal orders and I think Israeli occupation practices are clearly illegal,” - Michael Weksler, an Israeli Military Refusenik.

Zionist entity with full blessings from Washington, London, Paris, Arab puppets, and Fatah leaders - chose Jewish religious holiday period of Hanukkah (December 27) to lainched its current Zionazi assualt on 1.5 million Gaza people - killing 400 (most civilians) dead and over 2,000 wounded. According to an Israeli official the indiscriminate Israeli attacks are to force Gaza people to dump Hamas (duely elected government) in favour of Fatah (pro-USrael traitors).

Gaza people are also facing a severe humanitarian crisis due to tight Israeli blockde on the coastal area. The latest victim of Israel’s internation water piracy is SS Dignity (top picture) - just like Israeli attack on USS Liberty in the past which resulted in death of 34 Americans and wounded another 174 Americans.

Bush Zionist administration has vetoed United Nations Security Council’s two draft resolutions (Sunday and Wednesday), which condemnd Israel and called for an immediate cease-fire between Israeli Army and Hamas fighters. (that's what that war criminal's gov't is good for!)

Fatemeh Alia, head of the Human Rights Commission in Iranian Majlis (Parliament) has written to Navi Pillay, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights to initiate a trail for Israeli planners of Gaza massacre at Internation Criminal Court (ICC).

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/01...res-the-shots/
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islamirama
01-02-2009, 04:44 PM
UN: "Gaza Health Services on Brink of Collapse"


The UN's Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs has said the health services in Gaza are on the "brink of collapse."


"We are short of rooms and supplies, we are up to our necks," said a surgeon at Gaza's main Al-Shifa Hospital. Added the doctor, "The buildings are falling on the heads of the patients."

In addition to the urgent medical needs for the victims, the short supply of food is another worry for those trying to survive.


Read in detail about Islamic Relief's aid efforts in Gaza thus far.


Islamic Relief's aid worker on the ground, Hatem Shurrab, who is writing about the situation for BBC News, has said, "I've met families who are resorting to boiling weeds that they've dug out from the ground in order to feed their families."
(Read the latest entries on the BBC News website of an Islamic Relief aid worker sharing first-hand accounts of the situation on the ground in Gaza and IR's relief efforts.)



"What makes the food situation even worse is that Gazans were already facing difficulties with food over the last year - now they are on the brink," said Shurrab.


80% of the 1.5 milion Gazans depend on international humanitarian assistance.
Please donate now to provide urgently needed aid.


Islamic Relief responded immediately after the crisis, delivering vital medicines and medical supplies to hospitals in Gaza just 6 hours after the crisis began.
In addition to the medical aid, Islamic Relief is also providing food aid, with a recent delivery of four trucks filled with food supplies. Al-Shifa Hospital has been one of the recipients of this aid. (Click here to see distribution photos)


Islamic Relief has launched an emergency multi-million dollar appeal to help the victims and is asking for urgent and repeated support. Islamic Relief has been able to bring in aid supplies to Gaza through it’s partnership with the UN’s World Health Organization.
Your support has helped save lives. The people of Gaza are still in desperate need, please continue your help.


Islamic Relief’s Shurrab: "When we go out and assess what is needed you can see that the people are beyond despair. Food provided by Islamic Relief, the UN and other agencies is beginning to run out in people's homes. The heads of households are despairing at the thought of how to feed their children. "

Please act now and donate generously. The people of Gaza need you.

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01-02-2009, 05:15 PM
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01-02-2009, 05:17 PM
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Cabdullahi
01-02-2009, 05:20 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081231/...rael_usa_obama

KAILUA, Hawaii (Reuters) – A small group of placard-waving pro-Palestinian demonstrators gathered near U.S. President-elect Barack Obama's vacation retreat in Hawaii on Tuesday to protest against the Israeli airstrikes in Gaza.

Obama has made no public comment on the strikes, which Israel launched on Saturday. Aides have repeatedly said he is monitoring the situation and continues to receive intelligence briefings but that there is only one U.S. president at a time.

Some critics, however, say Obama did choose to speak out after the attacks on the Indian city of Mumbai in November in which gunmen killed nearly 180 people, condemning them as acts of terrorism.

Obama, who takes office on January 20 from outgoing Republican President George W. Bush, has also spoken out on economic issues facing the United States.

"He is talking about how many jobs he is going to create but he is refusing to speak about this," said one of the protesters, Carolyn Hadfield, 66.

Hadfield was one of eight protesters standing with placards reading "No U.S. support for Israel" and "Gazans need food and medicine, not war" near Obama's rented vacation home in Kailua, an upmarket suburb on the Hawaiian island of Oahu, where Obama is in the second week of a vacation with his family.

Obama had not left the compound on Tuesday morning and did not see the protest.

Obama has in the past called Israel one of the United States' greatest allies and has vowed to ensure the security of the Jewish state.

He has also said he would make a sustained push to achieve the goal of two states -- a Jewish state in Israel and a Palestinian state.

Israel on Tuesday pressed on with air strikes in Gaza that it says are in response to rocket fire by Hamas militants deep inside the Jewish state. Medical officials put Palestinian casualties at 383 dead and more than 800 wounded.

The Bush administration has so far backed Israel's actions in Gaza and demanded the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas stop firing rockets into Israel and agree to a lasting ceasefire.

"We are very upset with what is going in Palestine. There is a very great need for change in U.S. foreign policy toward Israel and Palestine. We need to stop giving Israel a blank check," said another protester, Margaret Brown, 66.

The protesters were rebuffed when they tried to hand a letter signed by dozens of U.S. activist groups to a Secret Service agent guarding the access road to Obama's beachfront
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Cabdullahi
01-02-2009, 05:27 PM
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...648346,00.html

British telecom firm severs ties with Israeli counterparts

UK's FreedomCall informs Israeli company of decision via email, blames Gaza operation

Meir Orbach Published: 12.31.08, 20:04 / Israel Money





British telecommunications firm FreedomCall has terminated its cooperation with Israel's MobileMax due to the IDF operation in Gaza.

"We received an email from the British company informing us that it is severing all ties with us and any other Israeli company following Israel's strike in Gaza," said CEO Raanan Cohen.

"We weren't expecting this from them and there was no prior warning. I don't intend to appeal to them or answer the letter."

The email from FreedomCall said, "As a result of the Israeli government action in the last few days we will no longer be in a position to consider doing business with yourself or any other Israeli company."

MobileMax, established in 2004, produces a program providing cellular phones with inexpensive international service
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01-02-2009, 05:29 PM
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islamirama
01-02-2009, 05:46 PM
BOYCOTT ISRAEL

EVERYONE SHOULD BOYCOTT ISRAHELL PRODUCTS AND ANY COMPANY THAT SUPPORTS THEM TO SHOW WE DON’T SUPPORT TERRORISTS AND THEIR TERRORISM OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS NOR COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT AND MASSACRE OF THE MASSES









PRODUCTS STARTING WITH "729" ARE ISRAELI MADE....


VISIT HERE FOR MORE ON BOYCOTT

http://www.amerikaos.com/boycottlinks.html

http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-israel.html
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Amadeus85
01-02-2009, 05:51 PM
That post only shows that jews kick asses. I had no idea that all those things were invented by them.
Second, thing, You are also going to boycott Sudan for murdering 300 000 black muslims in Darfur and displacing over half a millon?
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Ansariyah
01-02-2009, 06:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Where has he been hiding for the past 60 years?^o)
u are really beginning to show ur true colours.

Islam already revealed that times like these would come. InshaAllah Victory will come back for us Muslims...It's just a matter of when.
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The_Prince
01-02-2009, 06:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Aaron85
That post only shows that jews kick asses. I had no idea that all those things were invented by them.
Second, thing, You are also going to boycott Sudan for murdering 300 000 black muslims in Darfur and displacing over half a millon?
the companies are not Jewish invented, they are helpers of Israel through funding, two different things.
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Whatsthepoint
01-02-2009, 07:50 PM
The only Israel product that my family is in possession of is a massage shower and perhaps certain fruits and sweets from time to time.
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Trumble
01-02-2009, 07:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
the companies are not Jewish invented, they are helpers of Israel through funding, two different things.
Three different things. Most just have money invested in Israeli business interests, just as most have interests in a great many other countries; they are not "helpers of Israel".

The only people a boycott is likely to hurt are employees of those corporations in other countries who have no say where they invest their money, and no idea whether any is invested in Israeli or not. Israel won't even notice.
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Whatsthepoint
01-02-2009, 07:59 PM
If I'm not wrong, the boycott of Denmark caused several middle eastern businesses to shut down.
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czgibson
01-02-2009, 08:00 PM
Greetings,
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
for starters everyone thinks big sophisticated army means automatic victory, which is not the case. secondly, and most importantly, God is on our side, and he will crush Israel with whatever weapon they have, so indeed, victory will be ours. the small Muslim armies managed to defeat the mighty byzantines and persians, something many would say was impossible considering numbers and strength, but when God is on your side, it doesnt matter, God wll help the Muslims.
As long as people keep thinking like this, the conflict will never end. No rational argument could ever convince you to change your mind.

Peace
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Thinker
01-02-2009, 08:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
BOYCOTT ISRAEL

EVERYONE SHOULD BOYCOTT ISRAHELL PRODUCTS AND ANY COMPANY THAT SUPPORTS THEM TO SHOW WE DON’T SUPPORT TERRORISTS AND THEIR TERRORISM OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS NOR COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT AND MASSACRE OF THE MASSES
OK so we all boycott Israeli products - then what? What do you hope this will achieve? What is your suggestion for the next step(s) in solving the problems?
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Hamayun
01-02-2009, 08:19 PM
Dear Brothers and Sisters. Lets not stoop down to their level and start cursing each other. It is easy for them to treat humans as numbers whilst sitting in their comfy chair. Had they lost all their family in one blow they would realise what it feels like.

I am shocked that the Arab countries are sitting with their arms folded and watching their brothers and sisters die like this. Shame on them!

Peace is the only solution. Peace can not be acheived by bombs. Peace can only be achieved by extending your hand for peace. May Allah make it easy on all our brothers and Sisters and give them the courage to be strong in a time like this.
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01-02-2009, 08:23 PM
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Cabdullahi
01-02-2009, 08:49 PM
http://www.infowars.com/?p=6920


We’ve been asked, for instance, what would we do if rockets were being launched on our homes in New York or Texas, from Canada or Mexico?

The proper answer is that, if those two nations had been unlawfully occupied or embargoed by the United States for 60 years of relentless oppression and repression, and if all attempts at peaceful change had been forcefully prevented or scuttled by the U.S., then such attacks would be an understandable, indeed a justifiable attempt at gaining intolerably deferred liberty.

Our appropriate response wouldn’t be to bomb the hell out of the nearest Canadian or Mexican city, but to collectively look into mirrors and earnestly ask ourselves, “What have we done wrong to incur their wrath?”

And then act to correct the situation.
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Cabdullahi
01-02-2009, 08:53 PM
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open your eyes!!!
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The_Prince
01-02-2009, 09:02 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,


As long as people keep thinking like this, the conflict will never end. No rational argument could ever convince you to change your mind.

Peace
offcourse to an atheist as yourself it is strange for you to hear Muslims saying God is on our side, but that is not my problem, nor is that irrational, this is the simple fact. God is on our side, and eventually he will act and the end of Israel will be for all to see.
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Najm
01-02-2009, 09:04 PM
AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

ROCKET ATTACKS FROM GAZA
Since the start of Israel's operations in Gaza, Israeli sources say Palestinian militants have fired the following:
27 December 2008: 61 rockets, 33 mortar shells
28 December: 14 rockets, 16 mortar shells
29 December: 57 rockets, 15 mortar shells
30 December: 42 rockets, 6 mortar shells
31 December: 43 rockets, 25 mortar shells
Source: Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, Israel

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7808825.stm

Comment: Really that many??? Wow!! Thats amazing stats, says alot about where the sources comes from.

After all that, they killed 4 people in Israel!! Not that we should be comparing, but was it worth killing 400+ people for the 4 people. And let me tell you, they are all defenceless civilians. When will the international community do something??? <<< they will only help when everyone is killed.

May Allah protect those in Gaza, and raise up the dead as shaheed. Ameen

FiAmaaniAllah
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Ishbah
01-02-2009, 09:08 PM
:sl:

Brother, as much as I agree with you that we should protest about the injustice to our brothers and sisters in Gaza, boycotting 'Israeli' products could backfire.

I was reading something a few weeks ago, I will try and find an online link and post here, how some Palestinian farmers produce goods which are sold bulk and packed in Israel, these then carry a 'produce of Israel' sticker. Some Palestinians in the West Bank (and I am sure the same is true for Gaza too) work on Israeli owned farms, the goods produced on these farms will be labelled 'Israeli'. Boycotting will take money out of the pockets of those we seek to help. We cannot be sure that a product labelled 'Israeli' has not been farmed/produced by a Palestinian. If we boycott that product, then the Palestinian brother or sister who worked producing it may lose their job and their only source of income. imsad

:w:




format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
BOYCOTT ISRAEL

EVERYONE SHOULD BOYCOTT ISRAHELL PRODUCTS AND ANY COMPANY THAT SUPPORTS THEM TO SHOW WE DON’T SUPPORT TERRORISTS AND THEIR TERRORISM OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS NOR COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT AND MASSACRE OF THE MASSES









PRODUCTS STARTING WITH "729" ARE ISRAELI MADE....


VISIT HERE FOR MORE ON BOYCOTT

http://www.amerikaos.com/boycottlinks.html

http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-israel.html
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czgibson
01-02-2009, 09:15 PM
Greetings,
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
offcourse to an atheist as yourself it is strange for you to hear Muslims saying God is on our side, but that is not my problem, nor is that irrational, this is the simple fact. God is on our side, and eventually he will act and the end of Israel will be for all to see.
Like I say, no rational argument could ever convince you to change your mind.

Peace
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doorster
01-02-2009, 09:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Aaron85
That post only shows that jews kick asses. I had no idea that all those things were invented by them.
Second, thing, You are also going to boycott Sudan for murdering 300 000 black muslims in Darfur and displacing over half a millon?
I wonder if any one is using any bit of Microsoft code on their computer or if their computer is using Intel processors?

oh I understand that darfurians have invented a new sport called Hunt the Sufi, to save on islahi dahwa (probably the twits do not even know what it is to be a Muslim let alone be a da'ai)

and these people will learn to ignore Israel too if it ever chose to reach 300000. or may be they could stop giving it excuses by needling it with their pathetic pin prick strikes with useless prehistoric missiles then hiding in sewers and leaving the innocents to bear the brunt of murderous Israeli revenge + punitive attacks until the next time
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islamirama
01-02-2009, 09:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ishbah
:sl:

Brother, as much as I agree with you that we should protest about the injustice to our brothers and sisters in Gaza, boycotting 'Israeli' products could backfire.

I was reading something a few weeks ago, I will try and find an online link and post here, how some Palestinian farmers produce goods which are sold bulk and packed in Israel, these then carry a 'produce of Israel' sticker. Some Palestinians in the West Bank (and I am sure the same is true for Gaza too) work on Israeli owned farms, the goods produced on these farms will be labelled 'Israeli'. Boycotting will take money out of the pockets of those we seek to help. We cannot be sure that a product labelled 'Israeli' has not been farmed/produced by a Palestinian. If we boycott that product, then the Palestinian brother or sister who worked producing it may lose their job and their only source of income. imsad

:w:
:w:

And I can show you videos of how they leave these farmers on 50 feet high trees from dawn till dusk to pick dates for the zionists. And how these very palestinains, whose livelihood depends on this is asking the world to boycott these zionists and their products. This boycott is our way of putting sanctions on that terrorist regime, superpowers aren't the only ones with power to sanction whoever they want.
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Whatsthepoint
01-02-2009, 11:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by J.U.N.I.O.R
http://www.infowars.com/?p=6920


We’ve been asked, for instance, what would we do if rockets were being launched on our homes in New York or Texas, from Canada or Mexico?

The proper answer is that, if those two nations had been unlawfully occupied or embargoed by the United States for 60 years of relentless oppression and repression, and if all attempts at peaceful change had been forcefully prevented or scuttled by the U.S., then such attacks would be an understandable, indeed a justifiable attempt at gaining intolerably deferred liberty.

Our appropriate response wouldn’t be to bomb the hell out of the nearest Canadian or Mexican city, but to collectively look into mirrors and earnestly ask ourselves, “What have we done wrong to incur their wrath?”

And then act to correct the situation.
So what is your proposal? Kick the Hebs out? Ask them to leave peacefully?
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Whatsthepoint
01-02-2009, 11:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by doorster
I wonder if any one is using any bit of Microsoft code on their computer or if their computer is using Intel processors?

oh I understand that darfurians have invented a new sport called Hunt the Sufi, to save on islahi dahwa (probably the twits do not even know what it is to be a Muslim let alone be a da'ai)

and these people will learn to ignore Israel too if it ever chose to reach 300000. or may be they could stop giving it excuses by needling it with their pathetic pin prick strikes with useless prehistoric missiles then hiding in sewers and leaving the innocents to bear the brunt of Israeli revenge + punitive attacks until the next time
You sound like Fishman. Just a thought, a compliment really.
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The_Prince
01-03-2009, 03:13 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,


Like I say, no rational argument could ever convince you to change your mind.

Peace
rationality and atheism dont go hand in hand, infact a rational atheist is an oxymoron. i repeat what i said, God is on our side, whether you like to hear that or not, i care not, your an atheist, and you want Muslim believers as myself to stop mentioning God just because it scares you, and just because you dont believe in it, well thats your problem, not mine, God is real, he exists, and he is watching, and he will eventually act and carry out his wrath against the aggressors, he has promised to do so, and God never breaks his promises.
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nocturnal
01-03-2009, 06:39 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
rationality and atheism dont go hand in hand, infact a rational atheist is an oxymoron. i repeat what i said, God is on our side, whether you like to hear that or not, i care not, your an atheist, and you want Muslim believers as myself to stop mentioning God just because it scares you, and just because you dont believe in it, well thats your problem, not mine, God is real, he exists, and he is watching, and he will eventually act and carry out his wrath against the aggressors, he has promised to do so, and God never breaks his promises.

But at the same time, God helps those who help themselves. The upheaval against the incompetence of our rulers should emerge from within the Ummah and shouldn't be an extraneous factor. During the time of the prophet (pbuh), all the battles that the Muslims won decisively, such as Badr, were because of preparation and prayer concurrently.

Every major revolution in the world has happened with great energy and rigorous effort having been expended in the effort to attain it. From South Africa to Cuba, history has taught us glaring and trenchant lessons about the result of passivity in this regard. It will only result in abject failure and further apathy towards the struggle of the Ummah.

It is only until we take matters into our own hands, that we will be able to finally unseat the despotic subservient tyrants who rule in our name and are incurring so much shame and ignominy in their failure to stand up and speak out against oppression and persecution.
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al-basit
01-03-2009, 01:39 PM
The only solution to this problem is to establish a Islamic state, with one big Muslim army to protect the Muslims but the Muslim leaders these days are allies with the US and are corrupted, so I don't see this situation getting better any time soon.
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Whatsthepoint
01-03-2009, 01:56 PM
Did the US forces or whatever they were called back then, have the right to fight rebellious Indians?
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Whatsthepoint
01-03-2009, 02:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
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There are no universities on the list. Do you expect Muslims to boycott those as well.
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Qingu
01-03-2009, 04:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by al-basit
The only solution to this problem is to establish a Islamic state, with one big Muslim army to protect the Muslims but the Muslim leaders these days are allies with the US and are corrupted, so I don't see this situation getting better any time soon.
As a super-secular atheist, I agree with you. I really hope that Muslims do form a new Caliphate. If people in the middle east and elsewhere want to define their society in terms of Islam, that is their choice, and it should be respected (and it seems to be the case, anyway).

But what is wrong with Muslim leaders being cozy with the U.S.? Why would it be bad for the Caliphate—once it exists—to be friends with the United States, or even Israel?

Most Americans and Israelis just want peace. If Muslims form a Caliphate that succeeds in reigning in non-state groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, what exactly would prevent the Caliphate from making peace with Western powers?
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Fishman
01-03-2009, 05:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Qingu

But what is wrong with Muslim leaders being cozy with the U.S.? Why would it be bad for the Caliphate—once it exists—to be friends with the United States, or even Israel?

Most Americans and Israelis just want peace. If Muslims form a Caliphate that succeeds in reigning in non-state groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, what exactly would prevent the Caliphate from making peace with Western powers?
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Exactly, a Caliphate lead by a rational leader would be a good thing for the west. If the conservatives on both sides had not hated each other so much, and various powers (Britain, Saudi Arabia, possibly others) hadn't tried to keep down any attempts to build a new Caliphate after WWI, there might just have been one.

Unfortunately, rational Muslim leaders that want a Caliphate are hard to find these days. The Caliphate's biggest proponents are currently the HTs and various Islamist groups, all of which are not exactly the peaceful leaders that are needed.
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islamirama
01-03-2009, 05:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Qingu

But what is wrong with Muslim leaders being cozy with the U.S.? Why would it be bad for the Caliphate—once it exists—to be friends with the United States, or even Israel?

Most Americans and Israelis just want peace.
What is wrong with Muslim leaders being cozy with US is what happens in Egypt, yemen, afghanistan and other countriest like that where CIA torture cells are common, where they are engaged in violations of human rights.

Most Americans and israelis may want peace but their gov'ts want blood and oil. Muslim blood from palestinians to afghans to iraq to now eyeballing pakistan. Good luck selling that peace crap to muslim world....
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islamirama
01-03-2009, 05:28 PM
Finkelstein: Israel seeking Arab obeisance

The following is full text interview with lecturer, author and renowned Palestine-Israel scholar Gary Norman Finkelstein in New York.

Press TV: Nearly a week of violence in Gaza. What do you make of the situation there?

Finkelstein: It is hard to make any definite judgments about the military situation. The goals of the Israeli government it seems to me are pretty clear. Number one Israel wants to reestablish what it calls its deterrence capacity. That is a technical term that the Israelis use. It basically means to restore the fear of Israel among the Arab states in the region.

After the defeat inflicted by Hezbollah and the inability of Israel to launch an attack on Iran it was almost inevitable that they would attack Hamas, because Hamas is defying the Israeli will. According to the Israeli papers, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak was planning the attack before the last ceasefire and they were just waiting for a provocation from the Palestinians.

On November 4, the Israelis broke the ceasefire with Hamas knowing full well--and if you review the Israeli papers, they say so knowing full well that when they killed six militants in Gaza the Palestinians would retaliate and then Israel would have the pretext to invade. Therefore, the first goal was to restore the fear of Israel among Arabs by inflicting a bloodbath in Gaza.

Press TV: Israel's Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said that Israel has affected almost what it called the infrastructure of terrorism presumably meaning Hamas. This while apparently heavy civilian casualties have been incurred inside Gaza. How do you see the imbalance in the loss of life in Gaza? How successful do you think that Israel has been in wiping out Hamas or the resistance if you will?

Finkelstein: Well the purpose was to inflict massive casualties immediately. The Israelis, after their attack on Lebanon in 2006, realized that their error was that they did not unleash the full might of their air force in the first few days. In in the first two days of Lebanon war, they killed about 55 Lebanese and then they targeted the Dahia suburb of Beirut. After the war, they began talking about the Dahia strategy which meant to obliterate anything which went against their rule. And what you saw in the first couple of days in Gaza was the application of the Dahia strategy to commit a bloodbath and slaughter of such huge dimensions that they thought it would deter the Arabs in the future from defying Israeli rule.

Press TV: Speaking of deterrence, Hamas said that it would retaliate. How great a response do you thinK Hamas can give Israel? Could one expect something like the one Israel received from Hezbollah in 2006?

Finkelstein: I think it is impossible to predict those things. But, it is clear that Israel is faced with a dilemma. In the case of Lebanon during the first few days they apparently destroyed (Hezbollah's) long-range and medium-range missiles, but they couldn't destroy the short-range rockets being used against the Israel unless they invaded. They tried to invade, but they couldn't and the rocket attacks continued. And now they have the same problem in Gaza.

In order to end the rocket attacks they have to invade and clear all the areas where the rocket launchers are located one by one. But, if they invade there is the possibility of them being caught in a guerrilla war which they plainly cannot win in Gaza. So they are not sure at this moment how to proceed.

Press TV: Israeli foreign minister (Tzipi LIvni) also says that Israel wants to negotiate peace with what she calls moderate Palestinians. On the other hand, we see Mahmoud Abbas saying that peace talks are meaningless under the current situation wherein Israel is targeting all Palestinians, so where does that leave Israel?

Finkelstein: Well we have to be clear what Israel means by moderate Palestinians. The Hamas leadership in recent years has signaled that it is willing to negotiate a two-state settlement according to the June 1967 border and also the resolution of the refugee question. That means that Hamas has signaled to do what the international community has wanted Israel to do over the past 30 years.

Israel rejects such a two-state settlement because it wants to continue its control of the West Bank. So for Israel a moderate Palestinian means the one who rejects all the terms proposed by the international community, a Palestinian who rejects the position of Hamas. For Israel a moderate Palestinian is a Palestinian who is willing to do whatever Israel wants: is a Palestinian who is willing follow Israeli orders.

Press TV: Observers say that avceasefire is the best Israel can achieve from this. How is the war affecting Israel?

Finkelstein: It is hard to say that whether Israel is in a position for a ceasefire. If Israel accepts the ceasefire I don't think Hamas would accept it if the Gaza blockage continues. It was due to the continuation of the Gaza blockade that Hamas rejected renewal of the truce with Israel. If the blockade is not lifted it is just a slow death for the Palestinians. If Israel agrees to lift this blockade along with a ceasefire then it will in effect have given in to the conditions that it refused last week. So it's really unclear that Israel would propose a ceasefire that Hamas would accept and vice versa.

Press TV: Israel says that its war is with Hamas, but it has prevented the flow of international aid into Gaza and prevented journalists from covering what is going on there. There is a saying Persian if you cannot help then don't prevent help from others.

Finkelstein: Well we have to be clear that Israel's war is not with Hamas but with the international community, including Iran. Israel is defying the international community, including Iran on the two-state settlement.


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IslamicRevival
01-03-2009, 05:38 PM
You can witness what is happening to our innocent brothers and sisters in Islam In the videos below.

*GRAPHIC IMAGES

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RV-ibh...FEC63A&index=1

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=C0HFS9...FEC63A&index=2

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ccpZfD...FEC63A&index=0

This Is The Reality But No One Is Doing Nothing About It...

May Allah SWT Help the palestinians!!!
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crayon
01-03-2009, 05:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Qingu

But what is wrong with Muslim leaders being cozy with the U.S.? Why would it be bad for the Caliphate—once it exists—to be friends with the United States, or even Israel?

Most Americans and Israelis just want peace. If Muslims form a Caliphate that succeeds in reigning in non-state groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, what exactly would prevent the Caliphate from making peace with Western powers?

If I'm not mistaken, in the prophet's (peace be upon him) time he had truces and agreements with non muslims, and with their leaders and countries. It's not a problem.
What IS the problem is the arab leaders nowadays who would rather kiss U.S. butt and remain safely at the sidelines watching while their brothers in both religion and ancestry are being slaughtered. It's like supporting a friend while he's beating up your brother- it's selling out to the extreme. I'm saying this presuming that the brother does not deserve whatever punishment is being inflicted upon him. However one should always support and aid justice and the truth, even if it is a fellow muslim who is in the wrong, and a non muslim in the right.
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Cabdullahi
01-03-2009, 05:45 PM
rabbi speaks out

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Cabdullahi
01-03-2009, 05:48 PM
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Qingu
01-03-2009, 06:01 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by crayon
If I'm not mistaken, in the prophet's (peace be upon him) time he had truces and agreements with non muslims, and with their leaders and countries. It's not a problem.
What IS the problem is the arab leaders nowadays who would rather kiss U.S. butt and remain safely at the sidelines watching while their brothers in both religion and ancestry are being slaughtered. It's like supporting a friend while he's beating up your brother- it's selling out to the extreme. I'm saying this presuming that the brother does not deserve whatever punishment is being inflicted upon him. However one should always support and aid justice and the truth, even if it is a fellow muslim who is in the wrong, and a non muslim in the right.
But what would the Caliphate do about Israel?

Would the Caliphate outlaw groups like Hamas, outlaw shooting rockets indiscriminately at Israeli towns, and work peacefully towards a two-state solution?

Or would the Caliphate just act like a bigger, badder Hamas, foolishly playing chicken with a nuclear power?

I would hope that the Caliphate, if it ever does come to exist, has the moral courage to act peacefully instead of vengefully.
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Tony
01-03-2009, 06:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Qingu
But what would the Caliphate do about Israel?

Would the Caliphate outlaw groups like Hamas, outlaw shooting rockets indiscriminately at Israeli towns, and work peacefully towards a two-state solution?

Or would the Caliphate just act like a bigger, badder Hamas, foolishly playing chicken with a nuclear power?

I would hope that the Caliphate, if it ever does come to exist, has the moral courage to act peacefully instead of vengefully.
why outlaw Hamas, they were democraticaly elected by 70 per cent then over ruled by USA for no reason other than it was not the democracy they wanted. Hamas are fighting for their right
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~Taalibah~
01-03-2009, 08:27 PM
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The sickest thing about this whole issue is how those leaders of all the so called Islamic ruled countries sit back with shut mouths and behave as if their hands are tied not lift a single finger in the aid of these suffering Brothers and Sisters.

Dubai can squander Billions and trillions in baseless and wasteful buildings but cant give even quarter of that money to them nor can Saudi which is so bl***y rich.
Nor do Egypt, Jordan and whichever others.:raging:

These are all the signs of Qiyamah and will carry on till the time of Imam Mehdi.

May Allah Ta'aala punish severely these horrible jews for all the harm they are causing my brothers and sisters.
It broke my heart to read thru this thread. imsad
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'Abd-al Latif
01-03-2009, 08:34 PM



























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Najm
01-03-2009, 08:40 PM
AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

Rockets are the only instrument in the hands of Palestinian resistance groups in Gaza to fight against Israeli attacks into the strip.

During a six-month Egyptian-brokered ceasefire that ended on December 19, Israel troops killed 22 Palestinians in 195 raids and injured 66 in Gaza.

No Israeli civilian was killed in Palestinian rocket attacks during the same period.

Palestinian groups insist a months-long crippling Israeli siege on Gaza be lifted before extending the ceasefire with Israel.

"Our demand is clear; the aggression must end immediately, the siege lifted and the crossings opened," Hamas political chief Khaled Meshaal has said.

...Source...

FiAmaaniAllah
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'Abd-al Latif
01-03-2009, 08:45 PM
Hamas resistance

"If you commit the stupidity of launching a ground offensive, then a black destiny awaits you," Khaled Meshaal, the political leader of Hamas, said on Friday.

"You will soon find out that Gaza is the wrath of God."

Meshaal, speaking from the Syrian capital of Damascus on Friday, said Palestinians in Gaza were ready for any land offensive made by the Israelis.

"This battle was imposed on us and we are confident we will achieve victory because we have made our preparations.

"Our position is clear. We will not give in. Our resolve cannot be broken," he said.

"Our demand is also clear. The war must end, the siege lifted, and crossing points open without restriction."

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...452527102.html


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5 soldiers killed on the ground since ground invasion... news from palestine
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'Abd-al Latif
01-03-2009, 08:46 PM
Live Twitter updates on Gaza

Stay up to date with all the latest developments on the violence in and around the Gaza Strip with Al Jazeera's Gaza channel on Twitter*:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...531937971.html
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'Abd-al Latif
01-03-2009, 08:51 PM
Hamas in the eyes of an expert

Khaled Hroub, author of several books on Hamas, including Hamas: A Beginner's Guide, talks to Al Jazeera about the organisation's social and political strengths and explains why he believes Hamas is looking forward to an Israeli ground incursion into the Gaza Strip.

Al Jazeera: Two senior Hamas leaders were recently killed in Israeli air strikes. How will this impact the organisation's leadership?

Khaled Hroub: Hamas' leaders are very used to hiding and escaping Israeli attacks. I can't see this affecting Hamas much. Israel succeeded in assassinating very senior Hamas leaders including Sheikh [Ahmed] Yasin himself, the founder and spiritual leader of Hamas, then followed by Abdel Aziz Al-Rantissi who was the main figure in the Gaza Strip.

And yet Hamas continued to rise and succeeded in winning the elections. So I can't see Hamas being weakened by killing one or two or three or even more leaders in the Gaza Strip.


How does the Hamas leadership work, given that Hamas is not so much an organisation but a deeply rooted ideology amongst the Palestinians in Gaza?

Hamas's strength is based on the very broad social and political base that it has in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, so what we are seeing as the leadership is only the tip of the iceberg.

Hamas's leadership is decentralised between the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, the Israeli jails and the leadership outside of Palestine.

This kind of power of decentralisation of Hamas makes the whole movement stronger in terms of not caging the leadership in one single area, and because of this they keep producing leaders from the third and second rankings to the highest echelons of the movement.

Hamas doesn't have the military resources to match Israel. If the ground incursion does happen, how do you see Hamas operating?

I can't see any success, strategically speaking, on the side of the Israeli aggression. That is because Israel declared that their one main objective is to disarm Hamas and stop rockets from being launched from the Gaza Strip. Even after one month of this aggression, if one single rocket was launched from the Gaza Strip this means the whole Israeli strategy has failed.

If any land incursion takes place into the Gaza Strip, I think this makes the whole Israeli strategy even more difficult. Everybody knows that Hamas is well-entrenched now in the Gaza Strip because they have a network of tunnels - they hide very well. And maybe even they hope that at one point this Israeli land invasion takes place so that they can deal the Israeli army some strong defensive attacks.

Would Hamas have learned lessons from Hezbollah's war against Israel in southern Lebanon in the summer of 2006?

One can tell of so many lessons Hamas has learned from the experience of Hezbollah in the summer of 2006. First of all, this tunnel strategy that has taken place in the Gaza Strip, secondly even the sloganeering and rhetoric - rather than producing threats that they can't match, what they are doing and what they are saying is something they can achieve.

The Israeli side knows very well that Hamas has unseen and unknown capabilities within the Gaza Strip and this is why they are still reluctant to do the invasion.

Is the war likely to galvanise support behind Hamas?

In my view, Hamas will most likely emerge victorious out of this because on the one hand, it's akin to impossible to eradicate Hamas from the Gaza Strip.

I can't imagine any way of finishing this movement in the Gaza Strip. Even if it was finished, what we'd end up with is a more radical Palestinian organisation, an al-Qaeda-like organisation coming out of the rubble of Hamas's destruction.

Politically speaking, Hamas is now gaining more popularity, not only amongst Palestinians but across the Arab and Muslim world. They are seen as the only party that can face Israel.

What Israel wants from the Gaza Strip is basically a clean and quiet occupation like they achieved in the West Bank.

In the West Bank there are no rockets launched against Israel and yet we have Palestinians killed, arrested, their homes demolished on a daily and weekly basis. We have this thing happening in the West Bank but not complaining, no moaning. Hamas is doing this complaining, doing this resistance.

So it's a war of image on the side of the Israeli army, their image was destroyed in summer 2006 and now they want to restore that image and that name.


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...956673954.html
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aadil77
01-03-2009, 09:20 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Qingu
As a super-secular atheist, I agree with you. I really hope that Muslims do form a new Caliphate. If people in the middle east and elsewhere want to define their society in terms of Islam, that is their choice, and it should be respected (and it seems to be the case, anyway).

But what is wrong with Muslim leaders being cozy with the U.S.? Why would it be bad for the Caliphate—once it exists—to be friends with the United States, or even Israel?

Most Americans and Israelis just want peace. If Muslims form a Caliphate that succeeds in reigning in non-state groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, what exactly would prevent the Caliphate from making peace with Western powers?
The U.S would never tolerate an islamic state being created, they know the islamic would become a superpower, unless it was controlled by the US like all arab puppet regimes
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islamirama
01-04-2009, 12:41 AM
Gaza Sea Cries Blood



The news made headlines, an 8 year old little girl running over a small sandy hill screaming "Yaba, Yaba" (Daddy, Daddy). But her father couldnt answer her cries, his blood poured as the Gaza Sea rushed to the shore mixing blood with water.

The scene was horrific as the little girl lay on the sands crying and shouting at the loss of ALL of her family, including her youngest sibling twins that were both merely one year old.

The seas rushed onto the shores delighting the sights of the families enjoying their family picnics. They heard laughter, saw smiles, and enjoyed their holiday with their families. That was until the Israeli missles and automated fire poured down with hatred onto the once white sandy beach in Gaza. The laughter stopped at the sounds of explosions and shelling as little bodies were torn apart and families torn away from each other through death.

The massacre left 7 family members dead of Huda Galia's family and 3 other residents perished at the hateful gunfire of the Israeli Army. Scores of residents were injured, 30 reported suffered injuries and many were infants and children.

Wiham, 20, and his two sisters, Latifa, 11, and Hadeel, 8, survived after the rest of their family were murdered as the Israeli military shelled the once happy beaches in Gaza.

Gaza cried. Palestine cried. Will the world cry?
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Eric H
01-04-2009, 04:50 AM
Greetings and peace be with you Prince;
i repeat what i said, God is on our side, whether you like to hear that or not,
There is One God, and the same God who created you and gave you a faith though Islam, also created me and gave me a faith through Christianity.

I believe we cause great problems when we say God is on our side.

Gaza is wrong and it evokes a real passion and anger, here is something a thousand times worse which rarely gets any sort of a response.
According to UNICEF, 26,500-30,000 children die each day due to poverty. And they “die quietly in some of the poorest villages on earth, far removed from the scrutiny and the conscience of the world. Being meek and weak in life makes these dying multitudes even more invisible in death.”Source 4

http://www.globalissues.org/article/...acts-and-stats
In the spirit of praying for justice for the poor and oppressed of all Nations.

Eric
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islamirama
01-04-2009, 06:19 AM
Propaganda war: trusting what we see?

By Paul Reynolds
World affairs correspondent, BBC News website



Israel has tried to take the initiative in the propaganda war over Gaza but, in one important instance, its version has been seriously challenged.

The incident raises the question of how to interpret video taken from the air.

Israel released video of an air attack on 28 December, which appeared to show rockets being loaded onto a lorry. The truck and those close to it were then destroyed by a missile.


video: Israeli footage of the truck being attacked - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7809371.stm


This was clear evidence, the Israelis said, of how accurate their strikes were and how well justified. A special unit it has set up to coordinate its informational plan put the video onto YouTube as part of its effort to use modern means of communications to get Israel's case across.

The YouTube video has a large caption on it saying "Grad missiles being loaded onto the Hamas vehicle." As of Saturday morning UK time, more than 260,000 people had watched it.

Different version

It turned out, however, that a 55-year-old Gaza resident named Ahmed Sanur, or Samur, claimed that the truck was his and that he and members of his family and his workers were moving oxygen cylinders from his workshop.

This workshop had been damaged when a building next door was bombed by the Israelis and he was afraid of looters, he said.

The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem put Mr Sanur's account on its website, together with a photograph of burned out oxygen cylinders.

Mr Sanur said that eight people, one of them his son, had been killed. He subsequently told the Israeli newspaper Haaretz: "These were not Hamas, they were our children... They were not Grad missiles.".

The Israeli response was that the "materiel" was being taken from a site that had stored weapons. The video remains on You Tube.

But the incident shows how an apparently definitive piece of video can turn into something much more doubtful.

It is reminiscent of an event in the Nato war against Serbia over Kosovo in 1999. In that case, a video taken from the air seemed to show a military convoy which was then attacked.

On the ground however it was discovered that the "trucks" were in fact tractors towing cartloads of civilian refugees, many of whom were killed.


Israel effort

The Israeli propaganda effort is being directed to achieve two main aims.

The first is to justify the air attacks. The second is to show that there is no humanitarian calamity in Gaza.

Both these aims are intended to place Israel in a strong position internationally and to enable its diplomacy to act as an umbrella to fend off calls for a ceasefire while the military operation unfolds.

Israel has pursued the first aim by being very active in getting its story across that Hamas is to blame. The sight of Hamas rockets streaking into Israel has been helpful in this respect.

It has also allowed trucks in with food aid and has stressed that it will not let people starve, even if they go short.
Israel appears to think its efforts are working.

One of its spokespeople, who has regularly appeared on the international media, Major Avital Leibovich, said: "Quite a few outlets are very favourable to Israel."

Ban on foreign media

Israel has bolstered its approach by banning foreign correspondents from Gaza, despite a ruling from the Israeli Supreme Court.

The Arab television news channel Al Jazeera is operating there and its reports have been graphic and have affected opinion across the Arab world. The BBC also has its local bureau hard at work.

But the absence of reporters from major organisations has meant, for example, that Mr Samur's story has not been as widely told as it probably would have been, or his account subject to an on-the-spot examination.

Meanwhile Israel has received good coverage of the threats and damage to its own towns and communities.

Whether Israel retains any propaganda initiative is not all certain. Pictures of dead and wounded children have undermined its claim to pinpoint accuracy and the longer this goes on, the greater the potential for world public opinion to swing against it, with diplomatic pressure building for a cessation.

Its presentational problems would be hugely increased if it engaged in a ground operation, which would bring with it more pictures of death and destruction.

Update: several readers have e-mailed to ask whether I believe Hamas. One said I had "bought into" Hamas propaganda. Another that I should have dealt with Hamas' claims: "What's missing speaks volumes about your one-sidedness."

I do not believe anyone's "propaganda." We seek to verify all claims, from whatever source. One of the main claims in Gaza at the moment is the serious situation for the population. Having reported from Gaza many times over the years, I know how crowded parts of it are and how dependent the people are on food aid from the UN. This means they have no other source of supply but equally, if the system is working, they should be getting enough to get by on. The problem is that foreign correspondents cannot get in to establish the exact situation for themselves.

Paul.Reynolds-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7809371.stm
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islamirama
01-04-2009, 06:37 AM
Al-Sudais asks Muslims to rally behind Palestinians

MAKKAH: In his Friday speech yesterday, Imam of the Grand Mosque Sheikh Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais appealed to international bodies to take steps to ensure an immediate cease-fire in Gaza and condemned state-sponsored terrorism against innocent people.

“On behalf of all Muslims in the world we call on the international community and other organizations to immediately stop this Zionist terrorism,” Al-Sudais said.

He further urged all Muslim countries to rally behind the Palestinians and offer them help.

Addressing the Palestinians, he said, “Brothers in faith, be optimistic, you will be victorious with the help of Allah. Dawn breaks after the darkness of the night. Relief will come after the misery,” he said. Quoting a verse from the Holy Qur’an, he said, “So lose not heart, nor fall into despair, for you will gain mastery if you are true in faith.”

He added that the Prophet (peace be upon him) asked the believers to be patient and optimistic at times of hardships. “The great prophets of Islam achieved their goals against all odds with their optimism, hope, patience, strong faith and prayers.”

He told the people of Gaza that the Hijrah new year, which began on Dec. 28, was the right occasion to keep their hopes alive. “Let us begin the new year of the Hijrah calendar hoping for good news because the blessed Hijrah of the Prophet (peace be upon him) inspired the succeeding generations with optimism and hope for great achievements,” he said.

He also underscored the significance of Muharram, the first month of the new year. “It was in Muharram that Allah’s Messenger Musa (peace be upon him) achieved victory over the mighty tyrant Pharaoh,” he said. He also commended the efforts of the Saudi government and people to help Gazans.

In his sermon at the Prophet’s Mosque in Madinah, Sheikh Salah Al-Budair expresses grief over the pitiable state of Muslims in Palestine where people are being massacred, buildings destroyed and lands grabbed by Israel.

He stressed the need for greater unity and mutual support and called on the believers to offer all possible assistance to the people of Gaza. “Is it befitting to the Muslims, who are the largest in the world in terms of population and richest in resources, to throw their brethren to the mercy of a bunch of wolfish Jews?” Sheikh Al-Budair said, adding that the “world is being ruled by a jungle law.” He told the Muslims to unite because “it is the duty of people of Islam to strengthen themselves with mutual support so that they can protect their land, holy places and religion particularly at times of calamities and disasters.”

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=117791&d=3&m=1&y=2009
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wth1257
01-04-2009, 08:03 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by J.U.N.I.O.R
It breaks my heart that more and more, often because of Zionist propaganda, people fail to not the difference between Judsiam and Zionism. God blass that man. I don't think many people have any idea how major a contingent of the Orthodox Jewish community is appalled by Israeli policy towards the Palestinians.
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Ummu Sufyaan
01-04-2009, 08:05 AM
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format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif

i cannot tell you how much i ABHOR that ..... dont even make me say it! :ooh:
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'Abd-al Latif
01-04-2009, 02:00 PM
Defiant Hamas

An undaunted Hamas, however, has vowed to fight back and defeat the Israeli forces. A spokesman for Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas, told Al Jazeera on Sunday that Israeli troops faced death or capture.

"The battle has just started and the enemy should endure the consequences and results. They should be ready for the bad news coming from the Gaza Strip," Abu Obeida, a spokesman, said.

Hamas said it had captured two Israeli soldiers but the Israeli army denied that.

While the UN secretary-general called for an immediate end to the operations, the Security Council failed to agree on a resolution calling for a ceasefire after an emergency meeting.

Al Jazeera's Sherine Tadros, reporting from the Shifa hospital in Gaza, said doctors were struggling to cope amid low supplies and the rising number of wounded.

She said the scene was chaotic, with doctors treating the injured on the floor.

In the Gaza Strip, heavy artillery, tracer fire and rockets could be heard while reports said Israeli troops had reached the northern towns of Beit Lahiya and Beit Hanoun.

Palestinian witnesses said Israeli forces have cut the territory in half and were ringing Gaza City itself.

Fierce fighting

Soldiers and fighters were also locked in gun battles east of the Hamas stronghold of Zeitoun.

Ayman Mohyeldin, Al Jazeera's correspondent reporting from Gaza City, said: "Perhaps the most significant military development on the ground is that Gaza has now actually been split into two.

"A column of Israeli tanks and artillery, and armoured personnel vehicles has made its way through from the eastern part of Gaza, reaching as far as the Mediterrannean sea on the Western part, essentially splitting Gaza.

"That area, mostly in the former settlement of Nitzerim, it was an open area after Israel withdrew the settlement, so they were able to make strong advances all the way across Gaza, essentially cutting off the northern part from the southern part."

Mohyeldin said that the scene in Gaza was one of "fear and terror".

Witnesses in eastern Gaza told Al Jazeera that soldiers have begun house to house operations, moving from building to building. They have also taken positions on top of many of the rooftops in that area.

Al Jazeera's Jacky Rowland, reporting from the Israeli side of the border, said the authorities there have been extremely tight-lipped about the operation.

However, the military has confirmed that at least 30 soldiers have been wounded in the fight so far, two of them seriously.

In initial clashes, Israeli ground forces killed eight Gazans, five of them fighters.

Four Palestinians were killed when a house was struck by an Israeli missile in Rafah, medics and residents said.

Humanitarian crisis

Israel, meanwhile, extended its naval blockade of Gaza early on Sunday, from six nautical miles to 20 nautical miles, preventing humanitarian aid and protest vessels from trying to break the siege.

It also captured the Hamas-affiliated Al Aqsa TV and has been broadcasting messages telling Hamas leaders to give themselves up.

Around 9,000 military reservists have been called up to assist in the ground assault.

Ehud Barak, Israel's defence minister, said that the operation was aimed at forcing Hamas "to stop its hostile activities against Israel and bring about significant change".

"The operation will be expanded and intensified as much as necessary," Barak said on Sunday. "War is not a picnic."

Mark Regev, an Israeli government spokesman, told Al Jazeera that the "single aim" of the offensive was to halt Hamas rocket attacks into Israeli territory.

"Ultimately Hamas is solely responsible for this crisis and today they are paying a price for that," he said.

Al Jazeera's Mohyeldin reported that power lines have been cut throughout the Gaza Strip and more than 250,000 people in the northern part of the territory were without electricity.

"The biggest concern is a ground invasion could result in urban warfare," he said.

Fears of a humanitarian crisis have also grown in recent days, as the strip, home to 1.5 million people, is already suffering shortages of fuel, food and medical supplies due to a two-year economic blockade imposed by Israel.

The International Committee for the Red Cross said on Sunday its medical emergency team had been prevented for a third day from entering the territory.

The UN has warned that there were "critical gaps" in aid reaching Gaza, despite claims from Tzipi Livni, the Israeli foreign minister, that there was no crisis and that aid was getting through.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...615647308.html
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'Abd-al Latif
01-04-2009, 02:01 PM
:salamext:

Read this (from a sister):

As-salamu `alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh guys,

I was supposed to be at the Egyptian-Palestine border tonight assisting the DoctorsWorldWide Relief Team (an international organisation of Muslim doctors and other health care professionals ). I went to meet the doctor in charge of their Turkey branch and alhamdulillah he filled me in on what's been happening on their side. As I got there, they were filling trucks with medical equipment and supplies, to get it across the border. He's been assessing the political as well as the medical situation - things are looking extremely bad...

To state the facts amid the doubts, no persons or medicine/equipment are allowed across the border without permission, and when permission is granted for medicine, the teams are allowed only 2 hours to get it through! The team gave money and donations to the Med groups inside Gazza but it's near impossible for them to purchase anything as isra'il won't allow them to buy anything other than isra'ili medical supplies at the border and of course, these are purposely too expensive.

The sad thing is that out of roughly 2000+ injured patients, only 120 have been allowed into Egypt since last saturday. They're currently at al-'Arish hospital (about 40km from the border), several are in intensive care and at least one has died since then. Unfortunately the DWW emergency team consisted of just 4 brothers (who left Turkey on an emergency flight on Tues) and although they are expecting 2 more female staff at al-'Arish, it's obvious I can't travel with them from here to al-'Arish. I'm so deeply saddened and disheartened as I wanted to assist with the nursing and at the border in case more patients come through (particularly female patients). I'm not a doctor but due to my background, the team contacted me nevertheless as they require all the assistance they can get if permission is granted.

To be this close, to have trained and felt so ready for these incidents since my mid-teens and yet to find myself unable to do anything other than get updates and watch trucks being loaded with supplies, is unbelievably frustrating.

The doctor told me that now Isra'il has told all foreigners to leave Gazza, he said he's worried that they are going to enter Gazza by land, meaning the no. of casualties will hit the roof... Wallahul Musta'an.

It's so difficult doing anything here, the doctors team have their hands tied - they literally can't do anything without permission from Egyptian authorities (DWW couldn't even work independently in supplying their own equipment - everything has to be done via Egyptian resources!). They tried to get patients moved from Gazza and al-'Arish to Turkey where the facilities are more available and where the DWW Muslim doctors are all waiting. Unfortunately, they were refused to move the patients. Now they're trying again by going through their embassies but I'm not sure what the outcome will be.

Other than that, it could be the patients will either be moved one-by-one to Ismailiyyah or Cairo Hospitals, which is what they did last time something like this happened.

I used to go on about lack of resources and donations but today I realised more than anything that it's not resources the teams are lacking... it's just politics at its worst.

Brothers and sisters, it's not just Gaza that needs your supplications ... it's also these team of believers who are driven by nothing more than their Iman, who've come from different countries only for the Sake of Allah, who haven't slept and who are going through hassle, interrogations and humiliation - these brothers and sisters also need your supplications. Please don't forget them too.

Wasalamu `alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh
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Olive
01-04-2009, 02:03 PM
^ Subhan'Allah... may Allah help those people who have gone to help for His sake. :cry:
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nocturne
01-04-2009, 02:39 PM
I am heart-broken to see such travesty being done so blatantly in the open, may Allah protect those poor souls and if their lives were lost in this holocaust, may he grant them forgiveness.

International community rushed to stop Russia invading Georgia within a matter of days (even though one could doubt the validity of Georgia's claim of Russian invasion) but here with Blatant evidence, they are doing nothing.

U.S.A the biggest power-house in this modern world, has stood by and done nothing, knowing that its their money that has funded this travesty. I hope they realise that the blood of the Palestinians is in their hands.


I hope Muslims stay united by doing prayers and offering financial aid if possible. Please do not turn to violence.
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'Abd-al Latif
01-04-2009, 06:54 PM
Depleted uranium found in Gaza victims
Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:16:21 GMT


Medics tell Press TV they have found traces of depleted uranium in some Gazan residents wounded in Israel's ground offensive into the strip.

Norwegian medics told Press TV correspondent Akram al-Sattari that some of the victims who have been wounded since Israel began its attacks on the Gaza Strip on December 27 have traces of depleted uranium in their bodies.

The report comes after Israeli tanks and troops swept across the border into Gaza on Saturday night, opening a ground operation after eight days of intensive attacks by Israeli air and naval forces on the impoverished region.

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak warned on Sunday that the wide-ranging ground offensive in the Gaza Strip would be "full of surprises."

A ground offensive in the densely-populated Gaza is expected to drastically increase the death toll of the civilian population.

The latest assaults bring the number of Palestinians killed to over 488 with 2790 others wounded. The UN says that about 25 percent of the casualties were civilian deaths - including at least 34 children.

According to Israeli army officials, at least 30 of its soldiers have been wounded since the start of the ground campaign.

Amid global condemnation of the ongoing violence in the region, the UN Security Council failed to agree on a united approach to resolve the crisis.

"Once again, the world is watching in dismay the dysfunctionality of the Security Council," UN General Assembly chief Miguel d'Escoto said Sunday.

According to diplomatic sources, the US blocked a Security Council resolution, with US Deputy Ambassador Alejandro Wolff arguing that an official statement that criticizes both Israel and Hamas would not be helpful.

The White House has so far declined to comment on whether an Israeli ground incursion into Gaza is a justified measure.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020202
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~Taalibah~
01-04-2009, 09:17 PM
May Allah Ta'aala aid all those Muslims who are fighting, working, sacrificing in His path and accept our Duas.
Ameen.
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Eric H
01-04-2009, 09:44 PM
Greetings and peace be with you all, a request for prayers and fasting for peace and mercy in Gaza from Islamictube. The full request for prayers and fasting is at IslamicTube <inbox@islamictube.net>


Bringing you an alternative

Hope for Gaza: Prayers for Peace & Mercy


In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful


Assalamu Alaikum waRahmatullahi waBarakatuh


We are all aware of the suffering our brothers and sisters in Palestine have endured over the last 60 years. The situation has now escalated to crisis point, and over 400 have been killed, not to mention the thousands who have been injured both physically and mentally with the unjust torture they have witnessed. We've conducted rally's, wrote to the organisations that are in positions of power, and signed endless petitions….Unfortunately, our efforts demanding justice have been ignored.
In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.

Eric
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Argamemnon
01-04-2009, 10:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince
God is on our side, and eventually he will act and the end of Israel will be for all to see.
I disagree. Here is my opinion as to why God might not help us:

I think God doesn't help us because frankly we Muslims are hypocrites. And surely, God does not like and aid hypocrites. Let me give a recent example; a female bomber at a Shiite shrine in Baghdad killed 38 people. Where are the protests from Muslims? Why are you such hypocrites my Muslim brothers and sisters? I really want to know, tell me? Do you think you can fool God?

Is it acceptable when a Muslim kills innocent people, who happen to be Muslims by the way, but wrong when it's done by non-Muslims? Why is that? I just read a story of a Pakistani girl whose nose and lips were cut off by her husband, this seems to be a hobby for Pakistani men :mad:

Women are raped at police stations in Pakistan when they are under custody.. so where is the outrage? I can give endless examples, but I do hope you got the point.

My conclusion; Muslims think they can act as they please, kill and maim people randomly, since they are Muslims, and God loves them whatever they do!!! Well, I'm sure Allah subhana wa'ta ala begs to differ. He does not help hypocrites, Muslim or non-Muslim.

To all Muslims who read this; don't you dare twisting my words. Be sincere, be honest and be real.

:w:
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islamirama
01-04-2009, 10:38 PM
Hope for Gaza: Prayers for Peace & Mercy

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Assalamu Alaikum waRahmatullahi waBarakatuh

We are all aware of the suffering our brothers and sisters in Palestine have endured over the last 60 years. The situation has now escalated to crisis point, and over 400 have been killed, not to mention the thousands who have been injured both physically and mentally with the unjust torture they have witnessed. We've conducted rally's, wrote to the organisations that are in positions of power, and signed endless petitions….Unfortunately, our efforts demanding justice have been ignored.

As Muslims we are aware that only Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) can help us in times of need, when we have been ignored by organisations that can make changes, when our efforts are fruitless, what do we do? We turn to Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala!!)

This is a plea to all Muslims out there, to unite, to stand together and pray for our brothers and sisters in Palestine. We cannot disregard the power of dua, and in times like this, when we feel we have little or no control, we can turn to The One who has All Control and Power.

We have decided to call for the following campaign, to coincide with the current month of Muharram that we are in and the day of Ashura. This campaign will require two days of your time and for all who can participate, here are the requirements:
·To fast for the 9th and 10th of Muharram
·To stand in Qiyam ul Layl (Night Prayer) on the night of the 9th and 10th of Muharram

If you cannot do the full two days, then please do what you can, even if it's just an hour of 'Ibadah. We must remember that our fasting and praying (as with all forms of 'Ibadah) are done for the pleasure of Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) and for Him alone. However, the virtues of the dua of a fasting person, and the dua of one who has forsaken their sleep have been highlighted in the following hadith:

The Messenger of Allah (sallahu alayhi wa sallam) said; Three supplications will not be rejected (by Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala)), the supplication of the parent for his child, the supplication of the one who is fasting, and the supplication of the traveler. [al-Bayhaqi, at-Tirmidhi - Sahih]

Abu Hurairah (radiuallahu anhu) narrated that Allah's Messenger (sallahu alayhi wa sallam) said: 'In the last third of every night our Rabb (Cherisher and Sustainer) (Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) descends to the lower-most heaven and says; "Who is calling Me, so that I may answer him? Who is asking Me so that may I grant him? Who is seeking forgiveness from Me so that I may forgive him?"' [Sahih al-Bukhari, Hadith Qudsi]

We sincerely ask for the Ummah to do what they can, there are many of us, and together we CAN make a difference, we can make a CHANGE. Let's show others how we conduct ourselves in hard times, how we show patience and perseverance, and most importantly, how we unite in times of hardship.

The Messenger of Allah (sallahu alayhi wa sallam) said: "Believers are like a structure, parts of which support one another. The believers, in regard to mutual love, affection, fellow-feeling is that of one body; when any limb of it aches, the whole body aches, because of sleeplessness and fever." [Sahih al-Bukhari & Muslim]

Please circulate this email to your friends, family, to local Masjids, College/Universities, and Community Centre's etc... Let's make this a collective effort.

Insha'Allah we are successful in our efforts. May Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) help all the Muslims who are suffering around the world, may He listen to our sincere duas and forgive us of our sins. Ameen.
More info can be found at

http://justquraan.wordpress.com/2009.../gaza-in-need/
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islamirama
01-04-2009, 10:56 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
I disagree. Here is my opinion as to why God might not help us:

I think God doesn't help us because frankly we Muslims are hypocrites. And surely, God does not like and aid hypocrites. Let me give a recent example; a female bomber at a Shiite shrine in Baghdad killed 38 people. Where are the protests from Muslims? Why are you such hypocrites my Muslim brothers and sisters? I really want to know, tell me? Do you think you can fool God?

Is it acceptable when a Muslim kills innocent people, who happen to be Muslims by the way, but wrong when it's done by non-Muslims? Why is that? I just read a story of a Pakistani girl whose nose and lips were cut off by her husband, this seems to be a hobby for Pakistani men :mad:

Women are raped at police stations in Pakistan when they are under custody.. so where is the outrage? I can give endless examples, but I do hope you got the point.

My conclusion; Muslims think they can act as they please, kill and maim people randomly, since they are Muslims, and God loves them whatever they do!!! Well, I'm sure Allah subhana wa'ta ala begs to differ.

:w:
:w:

It's not about not speaking out against what goes on in the Muslim world or Muslim communities, just as there are many silent so are there many who speak out against it, but who gives them media coverage?

The issue here is family vs outsiders. If a brother punches a brother in the nose, it's a family business. If an outsider punches a brother in the nose, then all siblings should gang up on that outsider.

Besides, regardless of what happens among us. Prophet (saws) said our land is one, our blood is one. And it is obligatory to wage jihaad against those who invade muslim lands, violate muslim life, honor, property. Despite what's going on in the muslim world and among ourselves, we are still duty bound to fight the kuffars who have occupied Muslim lands and commit war crimes, human rights violations, cold blood murder and massacres and oppression. There will be no excuse on J-Day as to why we didn't do anything against them.


Allah's Messenger May Allah's peace and praise be on him said, "If anyone meets Allah with no mark of jihad, he will meet Allah with a flaw in him." [Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah transmitted it]
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islamirama
01-04-2009, 11:08 PM
Audio - The real reasons for the Gaza Holocaust


The following is a MUST LISTEN for anyone who wants to know the truth behind the Israeli massacre in Gaza. In clear and no uncertain terms Israeli government officials and official documents show that the attack on Gaza was planned more than 6 months ago. What is also key is how they developed the narrative of missile attacks from Hamas as propaganda for "goyim" consumption to justify their attacks.

Please share this information with everyone that you can so that the true evil and diabolical nature of the Zionist regime can be exposed and how indeed they view the rest of the world as "human cattle" to feed disinformation to in order to justify their dastardly deeds.

The link to this VERY IMPORTANT audio exposure is (Click "Play"):

http://www.box.net/shared/rydpmtmos5

We ask that the media, Muslim and non-Muslim take responsibility for truth and cease spreading the erroneous Israeli propaganda that this lop- sided massacre is in response to Palestinians firing missiles into Israel which caused no Israeli casualties during the cease fire. As revealed by Israeli government officials and their own documents, this massacre of the inhabitants in Gaza is something the Israeli government has been deliberately planning for more than six months.
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islamirama
01-04-2009, 11:15 PM
CBC News

Video Israel Doesn’t Want You to See

"This video was not actually supposed to be aired. The arrangement is this, all the three Israeli networks agree that if the army doesn`t like what`s filmed, the footage is never broadcast. In this case, the army decided this video is too embarrassing, too damaging so it ordered it shelved. But israel`s Channel 2 decided to break the embargo and the army and the government and a lot of viewers did not like what they saw".

http://ahmedismailibrahim.wordpress.com/2007/05/10/video-israel-doesnt-want-you-to-see/ (3minutes)

No, It's NOT a mistake. It's the way of life for Palestinians everyday under Occupation. The oppressed are called Terrorists!!! What kind of Justice is this?!!!

---------------

NEWS CLIPS(under 5 minutes)

British news: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXXHw...layer_embedded

British coverage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfTbA...layer_embedded

CNN: Israeli military attacks relief boat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBpcC...layer_embedded

New Zealand coverage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42oPP...layer_embedded
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islamirama
01-04-2009, 11:17 PM
"Gaza an Islamic Issue"


Due to the graphics displayed, viewer discretion is advised. Lecture details how the Muslims in Gaza are tested and in need of our support

See it on Muslimvideo.com:
http://www.muslimvideo.com/tv/watch/...d67c8d182f12d/

See it on Google:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...79937553&hl=en

See it on IslamicTube:
http://www.islamictube.net/user/1073/videos/public


America gave Israel $30,000,000,000 this year while? - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6948981.stm

63,000 Americans lost their jobs (largest drop since 2003 - 5 years) - http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/07/news/economy/jobs_february/index.htm?cnn=yes

millions of Americans can't afford their mortgage payments - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23522701/

Bush vetoed 5-billion a year for American children's health insurance - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-franken/nightmares_b_65575.html

So in other words, giving Israel money to terrorize Palestinians is worth more than Americans losing jobs, Americans losing their homes and taking care of American children.
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Argamemnon
01-04-2009, 11:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
:w:

It's not about not speaking out against what goes on in the Muslim world or Muslim communities, just as there are many silent so are there many who speak out against it, but who gives them media coverage?

The issue here is family vs outsiders. If a brother punches a brother in the nose, it's a family business. If an outsider punches a brother in the nose, then all siblings should gang up on that outsider.

Besides, regardless of what happens among us. Prophet (saws) said our land is one, our blood is one. And it is obligatory to wage jihaad against those who invade muslim lands, violate muslim life, honor, property. Despite what's going on in the muslim world and among ourselves, we are still duty bound to fight the kuffars who have occupied Muslim lands and commit war crimes, human rights violations, cold blood murder and massacres and oppression. There will be no excuse on J-Day as to why we didn't do anything against them.


Allah's Messenger May Allah's peace and praise be on him said, "If anyone meets Allah with no mark of jihad, he will meet Allah with a flaw in him." [Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah transmitted it]
:w:

Of course, I never said we shouldn't wage Jihad and fight those who fight us. It would sadden me if you implied that. I was just answering to claims that God will help us, no matter what we do.. we can kill, we can maim and do all kinds of injustice and corruption etc. and yet God will help us? I doubt that.
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The_Prince
01-04-2009, 11:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
I disagree. Here is my opinion as to why God might not help us:

I think God doesn't help us because frankly we Muslims are hypocrites. And surely, God does not like and aid hypocrites. Let me give a recent example; a female bomber at a Shiite shrine in Baghdad killed 38 people. Where are the protests from Muslims? Why are you such hypocrites my Muslim brothers and sisters? I really want to know, tell me? Do you think you can fool God?

Is it acceptable when a Muslim kills innocent people, who happen to be Muslims by the way, but wrong when it's done by non-Muslims? Why is that? I just read a story of a Pakistani girl whose nose and lips were cut off by her husband, this seems to be a hobby for Pakistani men :mad:

Women are raped at police stations in Pakistan when they are under custody.. so where is the outrage? I can give endless examples, but I do hope you got the point.

My conclusion; Muslims think they can act as they please, kill and maim people randomly, since they are Muslims, and God loves them whatever they do!!! Well, I'm sure Allah subhana wa'ta ala begs to differ. He does not help hypocrites, Muslim or non-Muslim.

To all Muslims who read this; don't you dare twisting my words. Be sincere, be honest and be real.

:w:
i said God EVENTUALLY will help and destroy our enemies, and that means later, not now, as right now we are not in a proper situation, and when we finally fix ourselves that help will be on the way and Israel will be destroyed.
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aadil77
01-04-2009, 11:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
:w:

Of course, I never said we shouldn't wage Jihad and fight those who fight us. It would sadden me if you implied that. I was just answering to claims that God will help us, no matter what we do.. we can kill, we can maim and do all kinds of injustice and corruption etc. and yet God will help us? I doubt that.
I hope you don't mean that jihad is injustice...
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Trumble
01-04-2009, 11:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama

The issue here is family vs outsiders. If a brother punches a brother in the nose, it's a family business. If an outsider punches a brother in the nose, then all siblings should gang up on that outsider.
I see. So that's why when as many muslims have died violently each week for most of this century to date as have died in Gaza during the current conflict and nobody gives a d*mn.. it's 'family business' while Gaza is not. I find your moral stance 'interesting', let's say.
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IslamicRevival
01-05-2009, 12:00 AM
The aftermath of an israeli bomb attack on january 3rd 2009

The Video Israel Dont Want You To See

WARNING

*Graphic Images
*Shocking Footage


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IK-NaK0_rio

This is the reality of what is happening.
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Trumble
01-05-2009, 12:04 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Troubled Soul
The aftermath of an israeli bomb attack on january 3rd 2009

This is the reality of what is happening.
That's what war looks like; what it always looks like. The only answer is peace, not more war.
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aadil77
01-05-2009, 12:10 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
That's what war looks like; what it always looks like. The only answer is peace, not more war.
No that is what wiping out a load of civilians looks like
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IslamicRevival
01-05-2009, 12:10 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
That's what war looks like; what it always looks like. The only answer is peace, not more war.
The Killing Of Innocent Civilians Is What War Looks Like?

Israel said Civilians Are Not Their Targets Yet They Have Butchered Over 500 with over 2 thousand people injured!!!

This is not a war against HAMAS

This is a war against PALESTINE ITSELF!

May Hamas destroy Israel and avenge the deaths caused by these Israeli terrorists!!!!!
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aadil77
01-05-2009, 12:18 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Troubled Soul
The Killing Of Innocent Civilians Is What War Looks Like?

Israel said Civilians Are Not Their Targets Yet They Have Butchered Over 500 with over 2 thousand people injured!!!

This is not a war against HAMAS

This is a war against PALESTINE ITSELF!

May Hamas destroy Israel and avenge the deaths caused by these Israeli terrorists!!!!!
Correction:

This is a war against ISLAM ITSELF!
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IslamicRevival
01-05-2009, 12:21 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
correction:

This is a war against Islam itself!
Exactly!
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Güven
01-05-2009, 12:28 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
:w:

Of course, I never said we shouldn't wage Jihad and fight those who fight us. It would sadden me if you implied that. I was just answering to claims that God will help us, no matter what we do.. we can kill, we can maim and do all kinds of injustice and corruption etc. and yet God will help us? I doubt that.
:salamext:

You think? so we should not make dua's ? I AGREE we humans are sinners , some are hypocrites, some rapists, some murderers and worse...we need to change ourselves, change the state of the ummah , we need to fix it within ourselves before expecting Allah's help.


BUT but but dont forget no matter what the sin is EVEN if you worshipped other gods ....Allah will respond inshaAllah IF you sincerely call out on Allah alone and if you repent to Allah. the kindness of Allah is unimaginable for us humans.

you should NEVER lose hope on Alllah...NEVER!

I recommend you this short lecture :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58g-ZNWxv20


Palestine needs our help and Dua's right now!
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Fishman
01-05-2009, 12:31 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Troubled Soul
Exactly!
:sl:
Yes, exactly what's wrong the the Ummah today, too many conspiracies to shift the blame to the other, not enough humility and Jihad to better oneself.
:w:
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IslamicRevival
01-05-2009, 12:40 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Fishman
:sl:
Yes, exactly what's wrong the the Ummah today, too many conspiracies to shift the blame to the other, not enough humility and Jihad to better oneself.
:w:
Brother you have no idea!

Elaborate a little more on what you meant because i will not respond until you do
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islamirama
01-05-2009, 12:43 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
I see. So that's why when as many muslims have died violently each week for most of this century to date as have died in Gaza during the current conflict and nobody gives a d*mn.. it's 'family business' while Gaza is not. I find your moral stance 'interesting', let's say.
By no means am i excusing the violence that occurs in Muslim lands, every life is valuable and worth saving. I'm merely saying that it's different when outsiders come and kill you vs someone from within. What society doesn't have problems and crime in its land?

A clear example is of US and 9-11, here only 3,000 some people died and US went after iraq (not linked to 9-11) and massacred over 1 million civilians. Yet, how many americans die every year?

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:

Heart disease: 652,091

Cancer: 559,312

Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 143,579

Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 130,933

Accidents (unintentional injuries): 117,809

Diabetes: 75,119


Top 6 causes = 1,678,843 dead
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Dr.Trax
01-05-2009, 12:52 AM
:sl:


United Nations: Hamas Did Not Break the Truce, Israel Did.!!!

Media Tags are no longer supported



ISRAEL lives from PROPAGANDA..................!!!


:w:
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Trumble
01-05-2009, 01:10 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
No that is what wiping out a load of civilians looks like
Same thing. Get real.

format_quote Originally Posted by Troubled Soul
The Killing Of Innocent Civilians Is What War Looks Like?
Yes, if your understanding of war is based on reality and not story books. As I said, that is what war always looks like and always has looked like.

Israel said Civilians Are Not Their Targets Yet They Have Butchered Over 500 with over 2 thousand people injured!!!
And your point is? No, they are not targeting civilians. It is inevitable, however, that they will kill a great many of them even in this era of so-called 'smart' weapons. They aren't that smart, and neither are the people using them. Remember Hamas are doing their best to conceal military assets (often among civilian populations), not announcing to the Israelis where they are. It will get worse.. the only place Hamas can hurt the Israelis, and both sides are perfectly well aware of the fact, is in urban fighting, i.e. in environments where most of the civilians still are.


May Hamas destroy Israel and avenge the deaths caused by these Israeli terrorists!!!!!
'Destroy'? 'Avenge'? You watch that video and yet all you want is more of it? Maybe hundreds of thousands of deaths? WISE UP!!
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Najm
01-05-2009, 01:44 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble

And your point is? No, they are not targeting civilians. It is inevitable, however, that they will kill a great many of them even in this era of so-called 'smart' weapons. They aren't that smart, and neither are the people using them. Remember Hamas are doing their best to conceal military assets (often among civilian populations), not announcing to the Israelis where they are. It will get worse.. the only place Hamas can hurt the Israelis, and both sides are perfectly well aware of the fact, is in urban fighting, i.e. in environments where most of the civilians still are.
Peace

So your saying Hamas should let the Israeli Terrorists know where they are, so they can be killed my their "smart" weapons. Interesting.

You need to find yourself a map of Gaza, and know that theres a 1.7mil population prisoned all around the border, including sea and air controlled by the Israeli Terrorists. In the Worlds most densely populated area in the world , where do Hamas go? Where ever the fight takes place civilians will be there.

May Allah protect the strength and the wills of all Muslims. Ameen

Peace
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Trumble
01-05-2009, 01:58 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Najm

So your saying Hamas should let the Israeli Terrorists know where they are, so they can be killed my their "smart" weapons. Interesting.
I said nothing of the sort. I simply stated an obvious fact.
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IslamicRevival
01-05-2009, 02:00 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
Same thing. Get real.



Yes, if your understanding of war is based on reality and not story books. As I said, that is what war always looks like and always has looked like.



And your point is? No, they are not targeting civilians. It is inevitable, however, that they will kill a great many of them even in this era of so-called 'smart' weapons. They aren't that smart, and neither are the people using them. Remember Hamas are doing their best to conceal military assets (often among civilian populations), not announcing to the Israelis where they are. It will get worse.. the only place Hamas can hurt the Israelis, and both sides are perfectly well aware of the fact, is in urban fighting, i.e. in environments where most of the civilians still are.




'Destroy'? 'Avenge'? You watch that video and yet all you want is more of it? Maybe hundreds of thousands of deaths? WISE UP!!
Why are you trying to justify this massacre by israel?

HAMAS HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG!! OPEN YOUR EYES!

IF SOMEONE KILLED YOUR FAMILY WOULDNT YOU WANT TO KILL THE PERSON WHO KILLED THEM?!!

YES!!!! THE PALESTINIANS ARE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF ISLAM AND MAY HAMAS DESTROY ISRAEL! MAY THEY DESTROY THEM! MAY THEY AVENGE EVERY SINGLE DEATH!

HAMAS WILL COME OUT OF THIS STRONGER THEN EVER

HEZBOLLAH DESTROYED ISRAEL AND HAMAS INSHALLAH WILL DO THE SAME!
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Argamemnon
01-05-2009, 02:14 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
I hope you don't mean that jihad is injustice...
Excuse me? What kind of question is that? Did you not read my post that you quoted. I'm utterly amazed at how you could have asked this question. It's a big mystery. Very very strange question indeed.
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Trumble
01-05-2009, 02:22 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Troubled Soul
Why are you trying to justify this massacre by israel?
I'm not trying to justify it. I am saying that when war occurs, civilians die. Hence the only way to avoid civilians dying is to have peace, not war.

HAMAS HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG!! OPEN YOUR EYES!
Hamas have always put their own objectives ahead of the interests of the Palestinian people, the civilian deaths are a price they are willing to pay. I'm afraid it is you that needs to open your eyes.

IF SOMEONE KILLED YOUR FAMILY WOULDNT YOU WANT TO KILL THE PERSON WHO KILLED THEM?!!
Probably. Although that doesn't mean it would necessarily be a good idea. However, we are not talking about 'a person', we are talking about people's, states and tens or hundreds of thousands of lives.

YES!!!! THE PALESTINIANS ARE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF ISLAM AND MAY HAMAS DESTROY ISRAEL! MAY THEY DESTROY THEM! MAY THEY AVENGE EVERY SINGLE DEATH!
They won't 'avenge' them, they will just cause many more of them. I understand your anger, but that's the way it is in the real world.
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islamirama
01-05-2009, 02:33 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
I'm not trying to justify it. I am saying that when war occurs, civilians die. Hence the only way to avoid civilians dying is to have peace, not war.
peace can only be gained when occupation ends. How can there be peace when a land is occupied, it's inhabitants oppressed, massacred and forced to live as refuges...for 60 years!
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Argamemnon
01-05-2009, 02:53 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
peace can only be gained when occupation ends. How can there be peace when a land is occupied, it's inhabitants oppressed, massacred and forced to live as refuges...for 60 years!
True, there is a clear oppressor (a dominant), and on the other hand the oppressed (the dominated). When Hamas wasn't there, and Arafat and the PLO were in power, they gave Israel all it wanted and got nothing in return. Well, they did get something; more massacres and oppression. This is the truth, it's not empty rhetoric, but a fact. I hope all non-Muslims will acknowledge this too. The terrorist is Israel here.
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Eric H
01-05-2009, 06:58 AM
Greetings and peace be with you Troubled Soul;

IF SOMEONE KILLED YOUR FAMILY WOULDNT YOU WANT TO KILL THE PERSON WHO KILLED THEM?!!
There is another and greater way to respond, read the following story of two fathers whose children were killed



Ghazi Briegeith & Rami Elhanan

Ghazi Briegeith, a Palestinian electrician living in Hebron, and Rami Elhanan, an Israeli graphic designer from Jerusalem, met through the Parents’ Circle – a group of bereaved families supporting reconciliation and peace. Ghazi’s brother was killed at a checkpoint in 2000. Rami’s 14-year-old daughter was the victim of a suicide bombing in Jerusalem in 1997.

Rami
I was on my way to the airport when my wife called and told me Smadar was missing. When something like this happens a cold hand grabs your heart. You rush between friends’ houses and hospitals, then eventually you find yourself in the morgue and you see a sight you’ll never forget for the rest of your life. From that moment you are a new person. Everything is different.
At first I was tormented with anger and grief; I wanted revenge, to get even. But we are people – not animals! I asked myself, “Will killing someone else release my pain?” Of course not. It was clear to my wife and I that the blame rests with the occupation. The suicide bomber was a victim just like my daughter, grown crazy out of anger and shame.
I don’t forgive and I don’t forget, but when this happened to my daughter I had to ask myself whether I’d contributed in any way. The answer was that I had – my people had, for ruling, dominating and oppressing three-and-a-half million Palestinians for 35 years. It is a sin and you pay for sins.
At first I foolishly thought I could just go back to work and resume my life, but the pain was unbearable. Then, a year later, I met Ytzhak Frankenthal, the founder of the Parents’ Circle. He was wearing a ‘kippah’ on his head, and immediately I stereotyped him as an ‘Arab eater’. Even when he told me his personal story, and about the reconciliation work of Parents’ Circle, I was very cynical.
He invited me to a meeting, and reluctantly I went along, just to take a look. I saw buses full of people, among them legends – parents who had lost kids in wars and who still wanted peace. I saw an Arab lady in a long black dress. On her chest was a picture of a six-year-old kid. A singer sang in Hebrew and Arabic, and suddenly I was hit by lightening. I can’t explain it, but from that moment I had a reason to get up in the morning again.
Since then my work with the Parents’ Circle has become the centre of my life, a sacred mission. If we – Ghazi and I – can talk and stand together after paying the highest price possible, then anyone can. There is a high wall between our two nations, a wall of hate and fear. Someone needs to put cracks in the wall in order for it to fall down.

Ghazi
You need a ticket to belong to the Parents’ Circle – the ticket is to have lost a member of your close family. This means Rami and I are brothers of pain.
My own brother was killed in 2000 at the beginning of the Intifada. I’d been with him just minutes before he died. As I was walking home I heard a shot. I found out later he’d been stopped and searched at the checkpoint. When he protested, the soldier shouted, “Shut your mouth, or I’ll shoot you, you son of a *****,” to which my brother replied: “YOU son of a *****!” So the soldier shot him. It was a machine gun in a kid’s hand. Sometimes the power makes them mad.
At first I was completely out of my mind – crazy with grief. There should be no forgiveness for the killers of innocents, and yet even then I saw the soldier as a victim of the occupation just as my brother was, just as I am still. But forgiveness is a very personal thing. Even if I choose to forgive the person who killed my brother, I can’t force my brother’s kids to forgive. But I can show them that far more valuable than a violent response, is opening your heart to reconciliation and peace. I can show them that opening a new page is their only hope of living a better life than ours.
The Palestinians have nothing left to lose, so the Israelis must realise that they are destroying their own nation by causing so much suffering. You don’t need to love each other to build a bridge between the two nations: you need respect. If I can stand with my Jewish brother Rami, respecting him as he respects me, then there is hope.

http://www.theforgivenessproject.com...h-rami-elhanan

In the spirit of praying for mercy and forgiveness

Eric
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rachamim
01-05-2009, 07:25 AM
Israel is entirely within its rights to undertake this action and I am very happy that they are doing it, only sad that it took so long.

This action is not against Gazans but is against HAMAS, a murderous band of scum who besmirch the reglion of many people posting here. To ignore the scope of HAMAS while criticising the Israeli actions smacks of hypcrisy. To use the word "Holocaust" in this regard is obscene.

Read the HAMAS Charter, especially Articles 7, 22, and 32. Then talk about ISrael being "oppressive" and "brutal." Allow your children and wife to live within 12 seconds of a bomb shelter for 2 years day in, day out as 100,000 Israelis have been doing and THEN criticise Israel.

May Israel finish this operation fast so that Gazans may rest easier but not until they have completed their objective, neutralising HAMAS.
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Ummu Sufyaan
01-05-2009, 09:01 AM
:sl:
format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif
Defiant Hamas

Hamas said it had captured two Israeli soldiers but the Israeli army denied that.
i heard one has been confirmed dead (may there be many more to follow, ameen) and also 7 Israeli tanks have been destroyed. :shade:


Fierce fighting

Soldiers and fighters were also locked in gun battles east of the Hamas stronghold of Zeitoun.
alhamdulillah, may Allah make them victorious :D

Ayman Mohyeldin, Al Jazeera's correspondent reporting from Gaza City, said: "Perhaps the most significant military development on the ground is that Gaza has now actually been split into two.
it just gna be another sabra and shatila.

the way it'll end it that some how the Israelis are gna make themselves look like the heroes. id cut my two hands off if that didn't happen.

"A column of Israeli tanks and artillery, and armored personnel vehicles has made its way through from the eastern part of Gaza, reaching as far as the Mediterrannean sea on the Western part, essentially splitting Gaza.
id like to see how "tough" this isali army is without the back up the US. how can you possibly be strong, when who your invading have the barest minumum to fight back! yh, shows how "tough" you are :hmm:
what a load of c***


Witnesses in eastern Gaza told Al Jazeera that soldiers have begun house to house operations, moving from building to building. They have also taken positions on top of many of the rooftops in that area.
yep, another sabra and shatila indeed...


Humanitarian crisis

Israel, meanwhile, extended its naval blockade of Gaza early on Sunday, from six nautical miles to 20 nautical miles, preventing humanitarian aid and protest vessels from trying to break the siege.


Around 9,000 military reservists have been called up to assist in the ground assault.

Ehud Barak, Israel's defence minister, said that the operation was aimed at forcing Hamas "to stop its hostile activities against Israel and bring about significant change".
tell him to go and shove it where the sun don't shine.

"The operation will be expanded and intensified as much as necessary," Barak said on Sunday. "War is not a picnic."
you can say that again!!!

Mark Regev, an Israeli government spokesman, told Al Jazeera that the "single aim" of the offensive was to halt Hamas rocket attacks into Israeli territory.
so that's why the whole of Gaza is blocked off from the world. not to mention power lines cut, overflowing hospitals, prevention of aid...
oh and how could i hace fortten this. yh, im sure as heck only "hamas" is being targeted :rolleyes:


The UN has warned that there were "critical gaps" in aid reaching Gaza, despite claims from Tzipi Livni, the Israeli foreign minister, that there was no crisis and that aid was getting through.
yh, your about 10 days too late :rolleyes:
and what a lying dog!!! what a snake!!! is that why the hospitals are overflowing! oh just read my above quote!

format_quote Originally Posted by Sabeeha
May Allah Ta'aala aid all those Muslims who are fighting, working, sacrificing in His path and accept our Duas.
Ameen.
ameen.

format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H
Greetings and peace be with you all, a request for prayers and fasting for peace and mercy in Gaza from Islamictube. The full request for prayers and fasting is at IslamicTube <inbox@islamictube.net>

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.

Eric
thanks.

format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
That's what war looks like; what it always looks like. The only answer is peace, not more war.
you have got to be jokin ^o) why should the paestians surrounder, when it is clearly isral the enemy!!!

format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
And your point is? No, they are not targeting civilians.
arent they?! so why is gaza spilt in two!!! why is there electricity/fuel shortages. not targeting civilians. you are only kidding yourself. just see my previous quotes. its like im whacking my head against a brick wall!!!


'Destroy'? 'Avenge'? You watch that video and yet all you want is more of it? Maybe hundreds of thousands of deaths? WISE UP!!
no, we dont want more of it! but we don't want to surrender either. and why should we!!! god, if i were on the grounds of gaza, id cut my two hands off before i bowed down to those pigs.

format_quote Originally Posted by rachamim
Israel is entirely within its rights to undertake this action and I am very happy that they are doing it, only sad that it took so long.
yh, typical. only "smart comments" like that would come from a jewish pig such as yourself. im not surprised at all. not at all.

This action is not against Gazans but is against HAMAS, a murderous band of scum who besmirch the reglion of many people posting here. To ignore the scope of HAMAS while criticising the Israeli actions smacks of hypcrisy.
would you guys just come out with something new!!! i mean seriously, this is just getting as old as moldy cheese!
Gaza is split in two now, and still use that half-a$$ argument.

maybe this will wake you up.

oh but being a Jewish snake, you wouldn't wanna show that to the world. ahh how very typical of your type.

the whole world know your crimes. even the non-Muslims protest!!! but, hey i guess you Jewish people don't notice that. you know, after all, your heads are stuck up your backside a lil too deeply.

To use the word "Holocaust" in this regard is obscene.
aww, whats the matter there. why, feeling abot jealous r we now!? feel that only that word should be exclusive to you Jews after Hitler...
well my my, looks like someones got a little competition and cant handle it /sarcasm over...

Read the HAMAS Charter, especially Articles 7, 22, and 32. Then talk about ISrael being "oppressive" and "brutal." Allow your children and wife to live within 12 seconds of a bomb shelter for 2 years day in, day out as 100,000 Israelis have been doing and THEN criticise Israel.
aww, well poor Israel :rolleyes: looks like they cant handle "what goes round comes around." /sarcasm over

May Israel finish this operation fast so that Gazans may rest easier but not until they have completed their objective, neutralising HAMAS.
neutralize!!! why don't they neutralize their terrorist army, before they try neutralize anyone else!!!
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Thinker
01-05-2009, 10:49 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
True, there is a clear oppressor (a dominant), and on the other hand the oppressed (the dominated). When Hamas wasn't there, and Arafat and the PLO were in power, they gave Israel all it wanted and got nothing in return. Well, they did get something; more massacres and oppression. This is the truth, it's not empty rhetoric, but a fact. I hope all non-Muslims will acknowledge this too. The terrorist is Israel here.
And got nothing in return – what about the Clinton deal offered in 2000 . . . . . . . . .

“Clinton told Arafat that by turning down the best peace deal he was ever going to get - the one offered by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and brokered by Clinton in July 2000, the Palestinian leader was only guaranteeing the election of Ariel Sharon. Arafat didn't listen; Sharon was elected in a landslide victory and escalated the crackdown on the Palestinians”.
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Thinker
01-05-2009, 11:00 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
When Hamas wasn't there, and Arafat and the PLO were in power, they gave Israel all it wanted and got nothing in return.
This is what Arafat turned down . . .

What was offered and what took place at the Camp David and Taba negotiations:

1. Yasser Arafat presented no ideas at Camp David.
2. The Taba talks would have happened in late September if not for the outbreak of violence. Arafat knew the US was ready to make a proposal and thus promised to control the violence, but didn't. (I think he was hoping that he could leverage the violence into political gain.)
3. All of Gaza and a net of 97% of the West Bank were offered at Taba.
4. The West Bank area offered was contiguous, not "cantons".
5. The Jordan valley would be under Israeli patrol for only 6 years.
6. The Palestinians were offered a capital in eastern Jerusalem.
7. There would be a "Right of Return" to the nascent Palestinian state.
8. A $30 Billion fund to compensate refugees would be set up.
9. Taba was rushed due to Clinton's, not Barak's, end of term.
10. Members of the PA delegation thought Taba was the best they could hope to get and encouraged Arafat to accept it.
11. Arafat accepted everything he was given at Taba, but rejected everything HE was supposed to give.
12. Arafat scuttled the Camp David offer. Arafat scuttled the Taba offer. Arafat scuttled the Mitchell plan. Arafat scuttled the Tenet plan. Arafat scuttled the Zinni plan.


http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideast...es/000555.html
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'Abd-al Latif
01-05-2009, 05:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker
This is what Arafat turned down . . .

What was offered and what took place at the Camp David and Taba negotiations:

1. Yasser Arafat presented no ideas at Camp David.
2. The Taba talks would have happened in late September if not for the outbreak of violence. Arafat knew the US was ready to make a proposal and thus promised to control the violence, but didn't. (I think he was hoping that he could leverage the violence into political gain.)
3. All of Gaza and a net of 97% of the West Bank were offered at Taba.
4. The West Bank area offered was contiguous, not "cantons".
5. The Jordan valley would be under Israeli patrol for only 6 years.
6. The Palestinians were offered a capital in eastern Jerusalem.
7. There would be a "Right of Return" to the nascent Palestinian state.
8. A $30 Billion fund to compensate refugees would be set up.
9. Taba was rushed due to Clinton's, not Barak's, end of term.
10. Members of the PA delegation thought Taba was the best they could hope to get and encouraged Arafat to accept it.
11. Arafat accepted everything he was given at Taba, but rejected everything HE was supposed to give.
12. Arafat scuttled the Camp David offer. Arafat scuttled the Taba offer. Arafat scuttled the Mitchell plan. Arafat scuttled the Tenet plan. Arafat scuttled the Zinni plan.


http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideast...es/000555.html
Many of the 'Muslim' rulers are not, and have not been running by the law of Islam. They do what's in their best interests, just as Mahmoud Abbas blames hamas for the current war between Israel and Palestine, which no sound minded person - let alone the leader of Palestine - will say or at least not during the war itself.

Palestine/Israel rightfully belongs to the Muslims and Jerusalem is considered as the Holy Land and this is clear in the minds of the muslims who know their religion. Frequent raids, harasments, harm and oppression is carried out in the west bank by the Israeli soldiers and their silence has been loss. Hamas chooses to stand up and fight against the oppressors - who receive treatment which is no different then in the west bank -, but their own 'leader' critises them for trying to take back what belongs to them.

What does this tell you?

Are the leaders really elected by the people, or by western governments who have the power and authority to so, secretly? Are they really looking out for their people or are they looking out for their own pocket? Hamas was elected by the people, and look how staunchly the west opposes them!

Look what the BBC have said about Mahmoud Abbas:

He was also the man favoured by the international community and Israel to succeed Arafat.
You yourself question Yasser Arafat, what makes you think he is any different from Mahmoud Abbas?

Their agenda is almost unknown, but it certainly isn't for the benefit for the Muslims/Palestinians.
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Argamemnon
01-05-2009, 09:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by rachamim
Israel is entirely within its rights to undertake this action and I am very happy that they are doing it, only sad that it took so long.

This action is not against Gazans but is against HAMAS, a murderous band of scum who besmirch the reglion of many people posting here. To ignore the scope of HAMAS while criticising the Israeli actions smacks of hypcrisy. To use the word "Holocaust" in this regard is obscene.

Read the HAMAS Charter, especially Articles 7, 22, and 32. Then talk about ISrael being "oppressive" and "brutal." Allow your children and wife to live within 12 seconds of a bomb shelter for 2 years day in, day out as 100,000 Israelis have been doing and THEN criticise Israel.

May Israel finish this operation fast so that Gazans may rest easier but not until they have completed their objective, neutralising HAMAS.
I'm against Hamas when they kill civilians, because as a Muslim, I am not allowed to support that. But these are consequences of Israeli oppression. How can you ignore what Israel has been doing to those people? This is something I will never understand. Treat them like humans first.
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themuffinman
01-05-2009, 09:41 PM
ina ma'al usri yusra wa ina ma'al usri yusra. after hardship there will be ease. im pretty sure following this whole war more and more correctly guided leaderships will emerge like hamas. long live hamas and i hope allah grants them victory over the zionist filth. isreal has just created even more trouble and conflict for itself. even if they erradicate hamas which inshallah wont happen its just a matter of time before another group comes out fueled by the rage and anger at the attrocities the palastenians have been suffering for 60 years now
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Argamemnon
01-05-2009, 09:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by rachamim
Allow your children and wife to live within 12 seconds of a bomb shelter for 2 years day in, day out as 100,000 Israelis have been doing and THEN criticise Israel.
Are you kidding me? Palestinians have been living in prison in poverty while being oppressed and bombed for decades! Israel controls and boycots their territory, cutting them off from the rest of the world. You really don't know what's going on there do you.

format_quote Originally Posted by rachamim
May Israel finish this operation fast so that Gazans may rest easier but not until they have completed their objective, neutralising HAMAS.
Hamas can't be neutralised, don't be silly...
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Whatsthepoint
01-05-2009, 09:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon

Hamas can't be neutralised, don't be silly...
Neither can be Israel yet they're still rocketing it and making it worse for themselves. Why?
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Argamemnon
01-05-2009, 09:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker
This is what Arafat turned down . . .

What was offered and what took place at the Camp David and Taba negotiations:

1. Yasser Arafat presented no ideas at Camp David.
2. The Taba talks would have happened in late September if not for the outbreak of violence. Arafat knew the US was ready to make a proposal and thus promised to control the violence, but didn't. (I think he was hoping that he could leverage the violence into political gain.)
3. All of Gaza and a net of 97% of the West Bank were offered at Taba.
4. The West Bank area offered was contiguous, not "cantons".
5. The Jordan valley would be under Israeli patrol for only 6 years.
6. The Palestinians were offered a capital in eastern Jerusalem.
7. There would be a "Right of Return" to the nascent Palestinian state.
8. A $30 Billion fund to compensate refugees would be set up.
9. Taba was rushed due to Clinton's, not Barak's, end of term.
10. Members of the PA delegation thought Taba was the best they could hope to get and encouraged Arafat to accept it.
11. Arafat accepted everything he was given at Taba, but rejected everything HE was supposed to give.
12. Arafat scuttled the Camp David offer. Arafat scuttled the Taba offer. Arafat scuttled the Mitchell plan. Arafat scuttled the Tenet plan. Arafat scuttled the Zinni plan.


http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideast...es/000555.html
This is clearly written by pro-Israelis, or ignorant people. I remember reading the other side's story; they were right NOT to accept this agreement, since this agreement was a joke. If I can find that article, I will post it for you. Palestinians are not as stupid as people think.
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Argamemnon
01-05-2009, 10:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Neither can be Israel yet they're still rocketing it and making it worse for themselves. Why?
Because there is nothing else that they could do, they are the dominated, the oppressed. As I said, I'm against and will always oppose the killings of civilians anywhere in the world. Any Muslim supporting the killings of innocent people goes against God's clear commands. But the people of Gaza are being oppressed very inhumanely, and nobody helps them. This is to be expected. What Israel is and has been doing is worse than what Hamas is doing.
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Najm
01-06-2009, 01:53 AM
AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

Israel has confirmed that three of its soldiers were accidentally killed by their own side in northern Gaza.

The soldiers from the elite Golani Brigade were hit by shellfire from an Israeli tank and a number of other soldiers were wounded....

....An Israeli army spokesman said three soldiers were killed and three were severely wounded when a tank shell hit a "structure" where the soldiers were located.

"Twenty additional soldiers were lightly to moderately wounded in the same incident," he added.

...Source...

FiAmaaniAllah
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Najm
01-06-2009, 02:09 AM
AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

Al-Wafaa Hospital for Disabled has already received a warning from the Israeli military to evacuate before an imminent air strike.

"They warned us to evacuate but where would we go with all the patients, and why?" asked Mohamed Abu-Ryiala, the director of the hospital's boarding facility.

"This is insane. Are the disabled poses a threat to Israel now?"
...Source...

FiAmaaniAllah
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Vito
01-06-2009, 02:48 AM
I'm surprised they haven't used a nuke yet.. It seems their intentions are to not only kill as much as they can but to flatten all of Gaza out.
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