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Boo Ghost
01-22-2009, 09:06 PM
Hello everybody. I came here in a search for what I believe in.
I was born Christian and my parents were Christians. I got baptised but to be honest, I don't go to Church and I don't follow everything that is said in the Bible.
The reason why I don't do these things any more, is because of so much hypocrisy of many people: they go to Church, pretend to be good Christians but the other days they may behave like pigs and still call themselves "Good Christians". I'm also disappointed by our Pope. The Vatican always says we must help the poor and live like Jesus (may peace be upon him) in simplicity, but look at the big shiny palace in which the people from the vatican live... it makes no sense.

I do speak to God in prayers. I believe in one God, the same God that Muslims refer to as Allah and Catholics refer to as The Lord. It is in my belief that we all believe in the one same allmighty, merciful and allgood God but we believe in Him differently. God had several messengers like Muhammed and Jesus (peace and blessings be upon both)
I think I just believe in Him in my own way. I try to live as a good person: I help the ones in need, I don't harm people, I work hard, I try to preserve nature,... I don't behave like a good man because I fear that God would put me in Hell if I don't, but I just behave like that because I believe that's why God created us and I believe that peace, respect and friendship are extremely important.
I believe God gave us the ability to study science and to create great things and discover how he created our planet.

My colleague is a true Muslim. He's a great person. He knows I'm not Muslim but he knows I believe in God and he respects me for that. He's a very helpful and peaceful person I greatly admire him too.

But I'm confused... is it bad to not to belong to a religion, but just believing in the One Allgood God? Is it bad not to follow the rules of a religion but still be a good man? It's just in my nature not to be "evil": for example at school when I was a 10 year old kid, I couldn't stand it when people got bullied. I would always protect the bullied ones and make sure nobody bullied them. At that age already, I feel like I was a good person. I just can't stand when innocents get hurt.
But my questions remain: is it bad not to follow "a real" religion?

My colleague tells me I shouldn't worry, but I wanted the opinions of many Muslims.
My colleague has taught me a lot about Islam. I know that terrorists are not real Muslims and that the Holy Qur'an explicitly forbids the killings and harming of innocents and non-combattants. I know that Allah does not permit suicidebombings and my colleague also tells me that we must respect Nature as it is His creation.

So what is your point of view on my beliefs? Don't be afraid to tell me what you really think. I'd like to know as I'm fishing in the dark...
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Triumphant
01-24-2009, 03:33 AM
May Allah guide you to Islam
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peaceandlove
01-24-2009, 02:20 PM
Asalam O Alikum Brother

Well my English is not too good so please ignore any mistake, and what ever i understand from your post is that you are confuted that whether is it bad not to follow "a real" religion?

I will say yes , it very important for you to follow a real religion Islam (submitting your will to all mighty Allah , and follow his directions) . you might say why , why if you said that you are doing good thing and you did not harm people .

The answer i can reply simple is our mind is limited once can not guess all thing by his own that the thing which he was doing is right or wrong. A thing which you think that good might be bad. and for life there must be a uniform code for all humans to follow if every human is tries to judge by his own that the thing they are doing is true then the world be in trouble , a robber might ask that he thinks robbery is good and easy to make money so robbery is good for robber but its bad for others.

So , there must be a law and direction for all to follow , which will tell you what to follow and what to not , and the best who can guide is our creater Allah , Allah know best what is good for us and what is bad. so we must have to follow teaching of Allah and his prophets .

One thing you said "It is in my belief that we all believe in the one same allmighty, merciful and allgood God but we believe in Him differently" i did not understand this how did you believe in differently . so cannot comment on that.

Finally , you must have to follow the true path which will guide you to your whole life.

May Allah give hidayat to you and all of us to follow the true path.










format_quote Originally Posted by Boo Ghost
Hello everybody. I came here in a search for what I believe in.
I was born Christian and my parents were Christians. I got baptised but to be honest, I don't go to Church and I don't follow everything that is said in the Bible.
The reason why I don't do these things any more, is because of so much hypocrisy of many people: they go to Church, pretend to be good Christians but the other days they may behave like pigs and still call themselves "Good Christians". I'm also disappointed by our Pope. The Vatican always says we must help the poor and live like Jesus (may peace be upon him) in simplicity, but look at the big shiny palace in which the people from the vatican live... it makes no sense.

I do speak to God in prayers. I believe in one God, the same God that Muslims refer to as Allah and Catholics refer to as The Lord. It is in my belief that we all believe in the one same allmighty, merciful and allgood God but we believe in Him differently. God had several messengers like Muhammed and Jesus (peace and blessings be upon both)
I think I just believe in Him in my own way. I try to live as a good person: I help the ones in need, I don't harm people, I work hard, I try to preserve nature,... I don't behave like a good man because I fear that God would put me in Hell if I don't, but I just behave like that because I believe that's why God created us and I believe that peace, respect and friendship are extremely important.
I believe God gave us the ability to study science and to create great things and discover how he created our planet.

My colleague is a true Muslim. He's a great person. He knows I'm not Muslim but he knows I believe in God and he respects me for that. He's a very helpful and peaceful person I greatly admire him too.

But I'm confused... is it bad to not to belong to a religion, but just believing in the One Allgood God? Is it bad not to follow the rules of a religion but still be a good man? It's just in my nature not to be "evil": for example at school when I was a 10 year old kid, I couldn't stand it when people got bullied. I would always protect the bullied ones and make sure nobody bullied them. At that age already, I feel like I was a good person. I just can't stand when innocents get hurt.
But my questions remain: is it bad not to follow "a real" religion?

My colleague tells me I shouldn't worry, but I wanted the opinions of many Muslims.
My colleague has taught me a lot about Islam. I know that terrorists are not real Muslims and that the Holy Qur'an explicitly forbids the killings and harming of innocents and non-combattants. I know that Allah does not permit suicidebombings and my colleague also tells me that we must respect Nature as it is His creation.

So what is your point of view on my beliefs? Don't be afraid to tell me what you really think. I'd like to know as I'm fishing in the dark...
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peaceandlove
01-24-2009, 02:41 PM
Asalm O Alikum Brother

What ever i understand from you post is that you are confused whether it bad not to follow "a real" religion. My English is weak so ignore any mistake.

Its very important for you to follow the religion Islam (submitting your will to Allah and follow his commandments) , you might say why , why if you are doing good things so why to follow a religion.

My brother , our mind is very limited and did not completely understand what is good for us and what is bad , a thing might be good for a person may not be good for other and once cannot make his decision of his own that the thing which he was doing is good. and if every person start deciding by their own that what is good and what is bad the world be in trouble. so their must be a uniform law for all , and what is the best is to follow the commandment of Allah and to do everything according to his commandments. Allah is our creater and Allah knows best what is good for us and what is bad .


let take a very simple example in every country there is a laws about traffic , and if one say i did not follow the rules but while driving i will do every good thing ,as there is no rule then every body made their own rules and follow them and no body can drive on road .

For several people taking wine and smoking is good as they might release their tension for a while, but actually its bad . So once can not decide by his own what is bad and what is good. What you might think you are doing good is actually bad for you.

Allah our creater, Allah who know best and Allah gives us guidance in the form of Quran to follow.

May Alllah give you hidayat to you and all of us
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Zamtsa
01-24-2009, 04:00 PM
Your writing shown that you're good. You'll be better if your fear increases to balance the hope you have.

Because what I know is that spirituality start with Heresy and end with Hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is having too many hopes.

And if we have too many fear then we will end in desparation.

Allahu Ta'ala will force this 2 type of people to the Hellfire.

You've mention about Zuhud(modesty). Rasulullah said "Zuhud are consist of being Zuhud to Allah (by grattitude to Him from this world) and Zuhud to fellow human being(from what they have)."


Assalamu manit taba'al huda(May peace be upon who follow the guidance).
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seeker-of-light
01-24-2009, 04:40 PM
wow you sound like you are being rightly guided^_^ may allah bless you!!!
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Hamza Asadullah
01-25-2009, 10:25 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Boo Ghost
Hello everybody. I came here in a search for what I believe in.
I was born Christian and my parents were Christians. I got baptised but to be honest, I don't go to Church and I don't follow everything that is said in the Bible.
The reason why I don't do these things any more, is because of so much hypocrisy of many people: they go to Church, pretend to be good Christians but the other days they may behave like pigs and still call themselves "Good Christians". I'm also disappointed by our Pope. The Vatican always says we must help the poor and live like Jesus (may peace be upon him) in simplicity, but look at the big shiny palace in which the people from the vatican live... it makes no sense.

I do speak to God in prayers. I believe in one God, the same God that Muslims refer to as Allah and Catholics refer to as The Lord. It is in my belief that we all believe in the one same allmighty, merciful and allgood God but we believe in Him differently. God had several messengers like Muhammed and Jesus (peace and blessings be upon both)
I think I just believe in Him in my own way. I try to live as a good person: I help the ones in need, I don't harm people, I work hard, I try to preserve nature,... I don't behave like a good man because I fear that God would put me in Hell if I don't, but I just behave like that because I believe that's why God created us and I believe that peace, respect and friendship are extremely important.
I believe God gave us the ability to study science and to create great things and discover how he created our planet.

My colleague is a true Muslim. He's a great person. He knows I'm not Muslim but he knows I believe in God and he respects me for that. He's a very helpful and peaceful person I greatly admire him too.

But I'm confused... is it bad to not to belong to a religion, but just believing in the One Allgood God? Is it bad not to follow the rules of a religion but still be a good man? It's just in my nature not to be "evil": for example at school when I was a 10 year old kid, I couldn't stand it when people got bullied. I would always protect the bullied ones and make sure nobody bullied them. At that age already, I feel like I was a good person. I just can't stand when innocents get hurt.
But my questions remain: is it bad not to follow "a real" religion?

My colleague tells me I shouldn't worry, but I wanted the opinions of many Muslims.
My colleague has taught me a lot about Islam. I know that terrorists are not real Muslims and that the Holy Qur'an explicitly forbids the killings and harming of innocents and non-combattants. I know that Allah does not permit suicidebombings and my colleague also tells me that we must respect Nature as it is His creation.

So what is your point of view on my beliefs? Don't be afraid to tell me what you really think. I'd like to know as I'm fishing in the dark...
Welcome to the forum and i hope you find this an enlightening experience!

We are put on this earth not from our own choice but it is the will of God! Now do you think God will create us for no reason? Do you think we have a purpose? Of course we do! This life is only but a test for mankind! If mankind thinks that this is it and there is nothing after death for that person jas no purpose in their life! In order for us to know what our purpose is we need guidance! For who is better guide than the one who created us? God has sent various messengers from the beginning of time till now to EVERY nation!
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Hamza Asadullah
01-26-2009, 01:13 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Boo Ghost
Hello everybody. I came here in a search for what I believe in.
I was born Christian and my parents were Christians. I got baptised but to be honest, I don't go to Church and I don't follow everything that is said in the Bible.
also tells me that we must respect Nature as it is His creation.

So what is your point of view on my beliefs? Don't be afraid to tell me what you really think. I'd like to know as I'm fishing in the dark...
Why Islam


Why Islaam? The question "why?" demands a rational answer. However, many people think that it is not possible to give rational answers to ideological commitments (by ideology, we mean a system of thought). They believe that a commitment to any theistic ideology is an irrational act. One cannot deny the fact that many people do commit themselves illogically to various ideologies and continue to hold onto them only because they find themselves to be raised up in particular communities. They accept such ideologies in just the same way as they would accept a traditional form of dress handed down to them through the generations. For example, a person might be deeply committed to a nationalistic ideology simply because it may be the best way to win the support of the masses and thereby gain personal political power.
Let us analyze two commonly found views regarding ideological commitments:

The first states that a commitment to any ideology which involves some type of deity must necessarily be irrational.
The premise of those who say this is that the fundamental claims of all such ideologies are beyond the comprehension of the human mind. Those who have accepted such a premise have concluded that all types of such 'belief' must be based on irrational and imaginary thoughts rather than on reality.

The opposite view is held by people who seek to justify their 'belief' in certain irrational ideas by claiming that reason is limited.
In fact, the followers of this ideology state that people should commit themselves to such ideas by simply having 'faith'. The conclusion of these people is that ultimate reality must be irrational in essence and therefore incomprehensible to the human mind. They go on to say that their ideology must be accepted or 'believed' without reason, in order to attain some type of 'salvation'.

This kind of argument is very difficult to accept because as human beings, we may ask: What do we have other than the usage of our minds for acquiring knowledge? If we are told to 'believe' in something that is irrational (i.e. beyond all reason), such as a type of being which is both mortal and immortal, we cannot possibly digest such an idea. Therefore it does not seem unnatural for us to demand that our way of thinking and living be based solely upon those concepts which can be verified as being true.

Going back to the first view regarding ideological commitments, we see that this view contends that we cannot and should not believe in that which we cannot comprehend. The emphasis lies on the word comprehend, and so it must be defined. It is true that one cannot have an adequate mental picture of some mathematical and scientific facts. For example, one cannot have an adequate mental or visual picture of the curvature of space, or one of the mathematical concepts of infinity. Nor can we really have an adequate mental picture of the way in which certain animals experience things, such as the way in which bats 'see' by using ultrasonic waves. However, know these concepts to be true because of solid evidence and not because of some non-rational ideas. Therefore we can say that we do indeed comprehend them.

Now what about the concept of a singular, all-knowing entity which has created the universe. It is impossible to have any mental or visual picture of such an entity, for evidence tells us that this entity must be unlike anything in the universe because this entity must be independent of space and time. The evidence for the existence of this single intelligence lies in the design of nature itself, which we can freely examine; hence, such an ideology is rational. If one realizes this - through confirmation - then one can proceed to answer the quuestion: Why Islam?

One of the main problems with an atheistic ideology is that it cannot explain intelligence in the processes of the universe. Another problem is that it tends to deprive life of meaning. Furthermore, we know that human beings are naturally inclined to be honest; however, in atheism there is a denial of an ultimate originator and of anything beyond death, which creates a contradiction and leads to an inconsistency in behavior – on the one hand a person would be inclined to be honest, and on the other to be dishonest 'to make the most of this world'. [If everyone insisted on 'making the most of this world', society as we know it would not exist. As a case in point, let us suppose that all those who wanted to 'make the most of this world' resorted to thievery. If this happened, no one would be producing the goods (growing food for instance) that the rest of us could steal. Hence it seems that 'making the most of this world' as system of action is doomed to failure. Could it then be a viable system of belief?]

Broadly speaking, with regard to theistic ideologies we have the revealed, the distorted and the man-made. One can easily say that a way of life communicated to humankind by the creator of this universe is preferred to man-made ideologies. If one wants to follow the advice of that which has made the universe and all that it contains - regarding what is beneficial or harmful - then it is better to refer to pristine communication from this originator, than to that communication which has been fabricated or distorted by man.

Those ideologies claiming to be based on revelations can be subjected to a number of tests, the first and most important of which is that of consistency. We must look for two types of consistency: internal and external. Internal consistency means that a statement made in a book must not contradict another statement in the same book. External consistency means that a statement made in a book must not contradict facts as we know, be they psychological, physical, chemical, historical, geographical, biological and so on. Applying these tests, consider the most important truth that all the supposedly revealed ideologies proclaim, that is, the existence and perfect attributes of God. God for all ideologies, that claim to be revealed, is supposed to be all knowing, all merciful, everlasting etc. However, some books imply that God's knowledge is limited and imperfect by saying that, for example, God was deceived by a human. In contrast, the Qur'aan provides the perfect concept of an all-knowing, singular originator of this universe.

This leads us to the next test - that of authenticity. The question that should be asked is whether the scriptures that we have today are indeed a communication from the originator to humankind. A study of the history of Islaam would show that the present Qur'aan is exactly the same as that which was communicated about one thousand four hundred years ago. During its revelation it was committed to memory by a large number of people and also written down.

Yet another test is that of comprehensiveness. A truly comprehensive ideology, revealed to humankind by the designer of the universe, would describe the most beneficial system in all spheres of life including the political, economical, social, medical and environmental spheres.

Lastly, we might look at the test of universality. Clearly, an ideology which is historically or graphically bound is not as good as that which applicable to all human beings, irrespective of the time and place of their origin.

In conclusion, if one uses the criteria of universality, comprehensiveness, authenticity and above all, consistency, one would find the Qur'aan unique and worthy of investigation. It is interesting to note that the Qur'aan itself stresses the above-mentioned approach. For example, in verse 82 of chapter 4, it is said, "Will they not ponder about the Qur'aan? If it had been from other than God, then they would have surely found in it many inconsistencies."

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