format_quote Originally Posted by
Abdul Thayyib
In Bukhari we could see............
format_quote Originally Posted by
Banu_Hashim
“Ibrahim said: ....... (37:99-110)
i asked for references mentioning Ismail by name.
Thank You for ur effort.
format_quote Originally Posted by
Civilsed
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"After these things God tested Abraham, and said to him, ‘Abraham!’ And he said, ‘Here am I.’ He said, ‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering upon one of the mountains of which I shall tell you’." (Genesis 22:1-2, R.S.V.).
"By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was ready to offer up his only son ..." (Hebrews 11:17, R.S.V.).
"Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered up his son Isaac upon the altar?" (James 2:21, R.S.V.).
Actually truely speaking,
according to bible,
"The Only Son" was Ismail as he was born of Ibraheem's
"seed"(sperm), while Isaac was born of
"promise". Isaac was just a miracle & Ibraheem's sperm might even have nothing to do with Isaac's birth, coz Sarrah was barren & 83 years old.
More below........
Muslims believe that scribes later corrupted the original reading from Ishmael to Isaac.
Quran:5:13 But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard;
they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them,
nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind.
Isaac was the only promised child of Abraham, a fact which the Quran agrees with (cf. Genesis 17:15-21; Surah 11:69-73, 37:112-113, 51:24-30). Ishmael was never a promised child.
True..... But the "promised" doesn't mean he was the ONLY child that was Ibraheems.... It means that he was born as a result of a "promise"(Miracle), while Ismail was born of actual "Seed" of ibraheem.
God promised that it would be Isaac's descendants who would inherit the land given to Abraham. (Genesis 13:14-18, 15:18-21, 28:13-14). Ishmael had no part in the inheritance
False.... & based on mis-interpretations..........
Genesis 13:14-16 14The LORD said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him, "(A)Now lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, (B)northward and southward and eastward and westward; 15(C)
for all the land which you see, (D)I will give it to you and to your descendants forever. 16"
I will make your descendants (E)as the dust of the earth, so that if anyone can number the dust of the earth, then your descendants can also be numbered.
The son who was to inherit, was to become a nation like "Dust of earth/Stars in the sky"(Gen:14:16 & 15:5), & this was Hajar's son Ismail:-
Gen:16:10.(Hagar)I will multiply thy seed(ishmael) exceedingly(Like stars).
Also "descendants" are thru "seed"....that's commom knowledge.... who was thru "seed" ....???Ismaeel:-
GEN 21:13 And also of the
son of the bondwoman(Hajar) will I make a nation,
because he is thy seed.
GAL 4:23 But he who was of the
bondwoman(Hagar/Agar) was
born after the flesh;....
God promised that it would be
Isaac's descendants who would
inherit the land given to Abraham
False......It would be Ismaeel's descendents who would inherit "the land"....Who was born of Ibraheem's own "seed"??? Ismaeel.
GEN 21:13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation,
because he is thy seed.
GEN 15:4 ....but he that shall come forth out of
thine own bowels(
ishmael)
shall be thine heir.
& "The Land" was promised to...??? Ismaeel (thy seed)...
GEN 17:8 And I will give unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee,
the land wherein thou art a stranger(also GEN 15:13), all the land of Canaan, for
an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
So
THE SEED was going to be
a stranger in "the land".....
Was Ibraheem a stranger in Egypt? No was living in Egypt ..... Was he stranger in Palestine? No his wife Sarah was from Palestinian area...... Was Hajar, bearer of The Seed a stranger in Egypt? No she was from Egypt
(GEN 16:1&21:9).... Then what was this place "strange" to Ibraheem.. & to his seed, Ismaeel..?
It was Arabia.
GAL 4:25 For this
Agar(the seed bearer) is mount Sinai
in Arabia,...(also 4:25)
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To summarize:-
"The Land" was promised to "the seed"
(GEN 17:8)>>>>"The Seed" was born to bondswoman Hajar
(GEN 21:13) so he was Ismaeel, NOT Isaac>>>>Same "Seed" born of Ibraheem's "own bowel" will be "The Heir"
(GEN 15:4)>>>> "the seed" will be in land "strange" to them
(GEN 15:13)>>>>>For Hajar,The Seed bearer, is Arabia
(GAL 4:25)>>>>In
Beer-Sheeba in Arabia, Hajar was left with few supplies
(GEN 21:14)>>>There's a place
Paran(Faraan) where she dwelt
(GEN 21:21)>>>>In Arabia where "the seed" Ismaeel settled, his son
Kedar was born
(GEN 25:13)>>>>Same land of Kedar was to receive GOD's "loved one", GOD's "elect", A "man of war", a Prophet
(IS 42:1-11)
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All of above prove that
bibilically "The Only Son" was actually Ismail, as he was born of seed & was promised the land.
So verses in 1st quotation box, about
"the only son being taken for sacrifice" r actually refering to Ismaeel, but jews changed the words & replaced him by Isaac.