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Khalisah
03-17-2009, 12:56 PM
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Culture has a negative influence on the youth, as it often contradicts the Qur’an and takes away the Islamic rights of the youth.

Any thought? opinions?...do you disagree/agree and why?

All opinions appreciated, thank you
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MO783
03-17-2009, 01:13 PM
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I do agree, but its impossible to take culture away, we need to be educating what is culture and what is religion. It comes down to knowledge and learning
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czgibson
03-17-2009, 01:21 PM
Greetings,
Originally Posted by Khalisah
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Culture has a negative influence on the youth, as it often contradicts the Qur’an and takes away the Islamic rights of the youth.

Any thought? opinions?...do you disagree/agree and why?

All opinions appreciated, thank you
It's impossible to interpret the statement unless you say what type of culture you mean.

Peace
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Khalisah
03-17-2009, 01:23 PM
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That is true, it is all about knowledge - Does the role of youths in Islam differe from the roles in certain cultures such as asians/any other culture? Do enough youth question what is the truth?
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_Rida_
03-17-2009, 01:24 PM
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With Asian culture? Agree x1000000000
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Khalisah
03-17-2009, 01:40 PM
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Lol, yes I thought there might be a few agreements with asian cultures- but I do think most cultures are flawed in some way or another. Any examples of how what makes you agree?
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Dawud_uk
03-17-2009, 03:30 PM
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some parts of culture are unislamic, some are mubah and some are actually islamic.

examples...

my culture (british) tells me to be polite to people, so does islam. is this part of my culture therefore wrong just because it is culture? it is a praiseworthy trait shared by many cultures.

the japanese culture tells them to do things to prefection, what a great trait, also something we muslims should do.

but my culture also promoting drinking as a big part of its socialisation, which is haram.

so it depends on which bit of culture you mean,

personally i stew and dumplings just as much as curry and chapatis, just because i am muslim doesnt mean i forsake my culture.

it just means i have to look again at it with fresh eyes, and abandon the parts that are not islamic and keep the bits that are islamic or are mubah.
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Ibn Abi Ahmed
03-17-2009, 03:33 PM
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Depends on what exactly 'culture' entails.
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Musaafirah
03-17-2009, 06:37 PM
Depends on the different aspects of culture.
Within the asian culture, I hate this one thing of where you're required to bow down and touch the elders feet (it's called salaam, but how?!) It's contrary to Islamic belief as we're not allowed to bow down to anyone but Allah.
I avoid doing it, and am seen as obstinate...so be it I guess. (It's also horrible when a bride is forced to do that on her wedding to every elderly relative present..Poor bride)
Positive aspect? I guess would be the separation of the genders and how the males and females socialise in different rooms, but then again that seems to now be changing as more and more adoption of Bolly movies are made and people go out of their way to seem 'modern'.
I like the respect factor though, where you're not permitted to call your elders by their names and all, it gives that boundary line thing where kids know they shouldn't overstep sort of thing.
So kinda expanding on what Dawud's said, one should try and take the positive aspects of culture that aren't contrary to Islam. It's also important to educate elders though as well. I guess.
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Al-Hanbali
03-17-2009, 07:27 PM
^ yhh, its like an integral part of Bengali culture, which you MUST in order to show respect...

The bowing/prostration out of respect was actually permitted in the past nations e.g. Yusuf/Ya'qoob (as); but in our ummah, it was made impermissible.

Dunno about the "touch the elders feet" part; maybe Hindu origins ??
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Khalisah
03-17-2009, 08:10 PM
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When I mean culture, I do not mean the traits which are common in most cultures such as being polite..etc, I mean things specific to that culture ie. The touching of feet, the presence of racism, where it is not permissible to marry someone of a differnt race, the method of weddings (music, dancing), many of thse have cultural traits, which are passed down from families, and lack of questions make us think it is the norm. Not eveyone is strong enough or has people around them to lead to question which parts are from culture and which are not. The touching and 'salam-ing of feet, could easily be mistaken for a religious trait, could it not? Most families when teaching children do not teach 'this action is from islam' and 'this is from our culture' but as a complete package, and often they themselves do not know where each tradition comes from, and will think it is ok to continue so and so because 'we have been doing it for so many years...and our elders did it..etc'
Am I speaking sense?...I hope so InshaAllah!
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sshussain
03-17-2009, 08:28 PM
Yes, this is so true.
Like asking your parents to get you married, is considered a shameful thing. And I pretty sure that this is true in most cultures.

There is also too much of innovation in Deen, because of the culture.
And I just hate if someone mentions culture and holds it close to their deen.
Culture is according to me is a set of believes and practices which was developed by some fools who put their empty heads together and came up with them. And as humans began to evolve accordingly by passing of generations, then these fools felt threatened and passed these idiotic believes as part of the Deen.
This is really making me mad now.
:raging: :raging: :enough!: :enough!:
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Khalisah
03-17-2009, 08:37 PM
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I am sorry, my intention was not to upset anyone with the thread
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Musaafirah
03-17-2009, 10:31 PM
^^ Ah yeah.. Again the whole feet touchy thing...I've never liked the idea and had to grumble along, but now I have the evidence, I avoid doing so...
Unless of course there's that elderly relative who'll just die if you don't respect them "appropriately". Rah.
(The disadvantage of obstinate unwilling-to-learn elders!)
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Intisar
03-17-2009, 10:32 PM
:sl: It depends, like in my culture when someone is left orphaned the whole community comes in and agrees on who will raise the child, or take in the person if they are an adult. When a calamity befalls a person, the whole community comes in and helps out.

But other parts of my culture are completely haraam, like some weddings traditions...including free-mixing and stuff. Some youth see it as ''okay'' and ''normal'' (to free-mix on a daily basis) because they can do it at weddings.

So it depends, you take the good and leave the bad. Culture can both negatively and positively affect youth, it just depends on where you draw the line.
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Ummu Sufyaan
03-18-2009, 08:13 AM
wa alaykum us-salaam
Originally Posted by Khalisah
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Culture has a negative influence on the youth, as it often contradicts the Qur’an and takes away the Islamic rights of the youth.
Any thought? opinions?...do you disagree/agree and why?
yes and no. if this culture takes rights away/contradicts Islam, then yh die culture die eh :p but that's isn't exclusive to the youth...culture has negative influence on adults too :$

btw sis thread starter lol nice sig! :D
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Khalisah
03-19-2009, 09:08 PM
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I only relate it to youth, as I have to choose an essay title related to the role of youths in Islam.. I am struggling sooo much imsad
Any sisters with great idea, please PM me, or anyone plz feel free to give me other essay titles, in this thread.
I agree most cultures have their good and bad. Such as the looking after the elders, children...etc. However sometimes in order not to confuse the youth, perhaps it would be best to avoid all culture, as the good parts of the culture would be present in Islam anyway? The youth are usually draw to the negatives of culture...eg free mixing, therefor to avoid our youth thinking that because something is culturally ok, then its ok to do it because those around them are doing it too. I think my main argument is that although some parts maybe ok, in order to remove tempations from youth, culture should not be part of the youth, untill their deen is strong enough to distinguish the differences by them-selves, which I feel would happen in young adulthood. Please feel free to disagree!

Lol sis, my previous ID used to be 'darkchocolate' I changed it, but still felt a need for chocolate to be present somewhere!
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Dawud_uk
03-20-2009, 05:40 AM
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one of the big problems for muslims living in the west is where the elders and sometimes the not so old cannot distinguish between culture and islam.

i had one non muslim woman telling me her friend from college being married to the oldest son had to cook and clean for the whole family, that her husband would go out often all night etc (i'm sure you've all heard simular stories) and that she said this was because of islam.

so not only are they forcing her to do so much work for all her brothers and sisters in law, oppressing her, but they did so in the name of the deen of Allah, putting a lie against Allah and this deen because of their culture.

this is a serious problem, we need to show people where the deen ends and culture begins otherwise we'll hear of another generation of such stories even if we are practicing ourselves.

it is only by being firm against such jahiliyyah and other prohibited practices from culture that we stop them, we need to not only enjoin the good of salaah and zakaat etc with non practicing friends and family but forbid the evil of huge weddings, forced marriages etc otherwise Allah will ask us regarding this also and why when he gave us this opportunity to forbid the evil in muslim society we didnt take it.

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