03-23-2009, 03:25 AM
First of all, in absolutley no way am I trying to say that marijuana is halal in islam. I would just like to further my knowledge with this topic, my own life experiences, and hopefully help anyone else who is experiencing the same issues.
I have been a muslim all my life (alhamdulallah) and i am very proud and happy to have islam as my religion. Unfortunatley, when i was a boy, I was mislead to do many wrong doings, but after finally hitting puberty, and realizing what life was really about, I grew more interested in Islam and doing good deeds.
Today, I read quran throughout the day, always trying to remember allah, and I also pray 5 times a day. Occasionally, I smoke marijuana to relieve stress, anxiety, muscle pain, and to relax (I never smoke before i pray or read quran). It has not mislead me to do any wrong doings, and i have been very successful in my life so far (alhamdulallah) acheiving high grades in school, going to be entering university shortly, and very liked among my family and friends. I understand that many scholars have ruled it to be haram because it harms you. Again, in no way am I trying to state that marijuana is halal, but if one were to use it for those symptoms above, would it really be that bad? And also ciggarettes are proven to be worse than marijuana and physically addictive, while marijuana is not, and ciggarettes also give you a (buzz) which is in my opinion another way of getting high, so wouldn't this make ciggarettes haram also? But they are only "markuh" (disliked in islam). I do not smoke ciggarettes. So finally, I was just wondering what the 100% final ruling on marijuana in islam from your prespectives considering my actions are. I just want to further my knowledge in islam and want to get a straight forward answer with some evidence please.
03-28-2009, 07:24 AM
Originally Posted by gabriel
unless you are smoking really crappy bud, you will at some point be making thikr or even prayer with a fog over your brain. i smoked weed for decades, but i quit long before i became a Muslim. the bud around here is mega-generation Hawaiian grown under laboratory conditions, wicked sticky icky. 3 hits and you are a part of the couch. you're not really "straight" when you wake up. i don't see how there can actually be a time when it would NOT interfere with your Ibadah!
btw, giggys ARE Haraam!
best thing to do is admit to yourself that you know it is haraam. THEN make dua for Allah to give you the strength to give it up and for a way for you to relax without it!
i'm 50 years old. i had a heart attack 3 years and a bit ago, for like 4 days! i didn't think it was a heart attack. finally one of our other drivers took me to the hospital. my heart is very week and my circulation sucks! as a result i have deep vein thrombosis in my legs and i can't stand up for very long. at times if i wake up at night, i can't get back to sleep because my legs are throbbing. but, Alhumdulillah, we are Muslims! Allah rewards us if we have Sabr in trying times and illness is used to expiates the sins and raise us in rank!
sometimes what we like isn't good for us and what we don't like IS!
Allah knows BEST!
03-28-2009, 09:34 PM
salam a leikum!Reply
First of all ,Marijuana is haram brother, you should believe this and do not doubt the fact that after all it IS an intoxicant and it IS haram.
Having said that, I understand what you're going through. I have also smoked for many years and even now, although very rarely. It is easy to think that weed is not haram because in low to medium doses you are not really impaired, and you might experience a heightened sense of creativity and even religiosity but these are chemically induced and we should avoid them.
Having said that, I have had many moments of epiphany while smoking marijuana when I was a non-believer. For example I smoked once and I could swear I heard trees singing the praises of the One True God. Experiences like these have contributed to my reversion to the natural state (Islam).
I am not condoning marijuana use which is haram. Allah(swt) guides us in whichever ways he pleases.
I hope you can abastain from this substance, because Allah(swt) forbids it to us. Heaven is a greater reward than the temporary pleasures of this world and its many traps.
Salam a leikum!
04-03-2010, 04:59 AM
Ok I feel exactly what all you brothers are saying.
I make duah to ALLAH SWT to help me stop smoking Marijuana.
I read namaz 5 times a day most of the time and if not kazaa.
I used to smoke a lot of bud before, and I have now cut down, but I still end up smoking almost every day (after Esha, sometimes Maghreb), but what I have smoked has changed, which is the thing I want to discuss with you guys about.
I make duah to ALLAH SWT to help me stop all together.
Basically this is how it goes.
Marijuana is Haraam as it is an intoxicant. But what if Marijuana isn’t what we think it is.
Ok this is where I am coming from.
Basically there is no mention specifically of Marijuana in the Quran or Hadith, but the Book of Allah, The Glorious Quran has all the guidelines for living our life, so we look into to see the ruling on Marijuana, we see that intoxicants are Haraam, so we automatically rule that Marijuana is Haraam, but remember we are ruling this as we think that the weed is an intoxicant/a harmful drug.
Around the 1990's, the major governments of the world, or the "illuminati" realised that "weed" was becoming a bit of problem for them, as the hippy cultures of 70's and 80's where people were smoking weed and starting to have their eyes open up about certain things etc. I.e. their mission to mind control people was being suffered/halted due to weed, so in their chemical labs they went about engineering the strain of weed to different strains, strains which they could then manipulate how the user would be affected after smoking it. During the years from 1990 onwards, they have managed to perfect this now and now have many different strains giving you different effects. But that’s not Marijuana anymore.
Marijuana was the natural plant which grew out of the ground, which used, in its natural un-manipulated form, was no more than a high class pain killer and not designed by ALLAH to "make you part of the couch".
What I am trying to get at is, that for the last 20 years when we refer to weed, marijuana, cannabis, pot, bud, etc, we are not really referring to the real thing, we are referring to a fake drug which has been engineered from Marijuana seeds cross bread in ways which is not natural, genetically modified in labs and yes has become very intoxicating.
Marijuana is not the only thing the governments have played with; they have manipulated our foods, waters etc. Hence our chicken isn’t the real chicken (i.e. now unnaturally bloated up using hormones chemicals etc) as before, gives us messed up side effects, same with our fruits and vegs.
Basically what my point is that they have manipulated Marijuana. You ask so what? it is still Haraam as even in its natural form it is an intoxicant, I would ask you are you sure that in its natural, un manipulated form it is an intoxicant, or have we been getting fed -------s from the authorities on marijuana for last 20 years, proof of this could be that many independent scientists have come back and said marijuana has many good effects, but these reports get hidden away, replaced with negative government propaganda against Marijuana, so that not only do people think it is a serious drug, but also an intoxicant and Haraam etc. In an attempt to mind control the society, the government must give such bad propaganda against marijuana, as if people knew the benefits they would take the real Marijuana and could escape the mind control of the illuminati.
In the days of our beloved prophet Muhammad SAW, there was no paracetamol.
Clearly we know people used natural medicines for pain killing etc.
Surely in the time of the prophet, one of those natural pain killers given to us by the all mighty, could have been marijuana, a herb, a plant which grew out from the ground with such healing powers, that paracetamol (again a laboratory engineered drug) could never equal, no matter if you by the best $10 ibuprofen Paracetamol, it won’t work as well as weed. Remembering that if it was used as a pain killer, then more than likely, it would not be by smoking, but through eating or rubbing on to ones skin.
So as I said I cut down and hope to stop all together, but basically I met some guys from Guyana, they are "Rasta's", follow the Rastafarian ideology, you would be surprised that although they are kufr, they follow very closely to Islam and so this guy was telling me about the history of marijuana and how it has been manipulated and changed, and after doing my own research etc and enquiring, I finally got a link to buy some of this natural weed.
Although it is marijuana, the effect of it is completely different to the bud around in the US or UK or Amsterdam.
It does not make you part of the couch even after 3 whole spiffs to yourself never mind 3 puffs. It definitely does not take you out of your senses and the painkilling power is good.
So you may ask why, if I think that this natural marijuana is ok and will not get me intoxicated, I pray to ALLAH to help me stop marijuana.
The answers are the following:
1. Abuse of anything is wrong and Haraam I guess, so smoking on a daily basis is abuse, so I don’t want to do that.
2. If we do not use a pipe to smoke, we use tobacco and rizla, which is what I do; the tobacco and the rizla are both corrupt. The tobacco has millions of chemicals, is not a natural thing given by ALLAH, is a waste of money and probably does harm (obviously I believe that the natural marijuana only does good, no harm, if consumed alone)
3. Next you ask so why not smoke it in a pipe and not daily, but on an occasional basis. 2 reasons, because what I have discussed above is only a discussion, it is only speculation, but only ALLAH knows best and therefore piety requires one to stay away from doubtful things. and finally even if ALLAH did give us marijuana a natural plant for purposes to use it as pain killer, then even if Halal, it should only be used as a painkiller and taking it for other recreational reasons renders it Haraam, so therefore smoking it every day or occasionally through a pipe for recreational reasons, i.e. what I am doing is definitely Haraam and that is why I do duah to ALLAH to help me stop all together and please make duah too.
I hope this will help brothers in similar position to me who keep thinking’s there is nothing wrong with weed, there may not be, but that does not make it Halal. Other reasons as highlighted above like abuse and wastage of time and money make it Haraam.
However I would like to stress that what was real marijuana and what we see majority people smoking now is different and it is now called a drug, a narcotic. even though it is just a mere plant, a herb, labelled and propagandised as a harmful drug and made illegal to make our elders and those in society who do not know, see it as the worst thing, worse than alcohol, worse than anything, that if you are seen smoking it, you are labelled a druggy junky, when in fact it is a simple innocent plant, which has been manufactured and manipulated to now give these effects which have given it such a bad name. I mean it is sometimes in explicable to think that in Arab supposedly Muslim countries like Dubai, they allow alcohol openly, yet they are so massively against marijuana, have you ever though why that is, why so open with alcohol and why so strict with marijuana, why in most countries alcohol is legal and yet marijuana is illegal. Surely they cannot sell us the story that marijuana is more harmful than alcohol or the effects are worse. No way, if you are going to commit a robbery, if u have a drink of alcohol, you will do it with even more willingness, yet you smoke a joint and you may say no that will be bad, somehow it brings our your good side, while alcohol brings out your evil side, i.e. you are angry and want to kill someone, you have few shots of alcohol and you want to kill the guy more now, you have 2 spiffs and you might say don’t worry about him, im not angry at him anymore.
It’s always good v evil and if marijuana brings out the good and alcohol the evil, then is it so hard in understanding why the governments do not legalise marijuana but they do legalise alcohol, because as we know these western governments push the evil everyday on us, they would never want the good on us. So wait a minute if they don’t want the good on us, but still want to be able to make money out of marijuana, how do they do it, so they experiment in a laboratory lab called Amsterdam, they legalise it and makes all sorts of verities to test how they will effect smokers, eventually getting to a mix which gives the user the desired effects the pushers of evil want, i.e. the newer marijuana of the last 2 decades will push you towards sexual thoughts, getting horny, wanting to eat a lot, these are all sensations which are not necessarily in the original marijuana, but have been manufactured into the weed as we now know it.
The experiment in Amsterdam however was not full successful as even though they had their strains they could not really legalise weed all over as then people would start growing, and people would grow the original stuff, which means that their strains would not get anywhere, so they left it illegal, but are the biggest marijuana dealers themselves as they push their strains into the legal (Amsterdam and Cali) and illegal (rest of developed world) markets to fully takeover the natural weed. they have done this more now by creating monopolies in the firms that sell the seeds for marijuana cultivation, i.e. if they can control who sells the seeds, then even if someone wants to grow themselves, they will have to buy seeds from them, these seeds have over the years been genetically modified cross bred etc to now make seeds which however grown won’t give you that original weed.
So just a discussion and finally you guys are probably wondering what is this natural weed, it don’t look as fluffy or crystal or as light green as the buds you get in Amsterdam or Cali or around Europe etc. It is darker green, less buddy, hardly any THC, so not sticky icky. It might sound like it isn’t going to do anything, won’t even get you high, and you are sort of right, it don’t get you "high", it just gives you like a nice relaxed feeling. Usually in African countries where the tribes have not moved to western cultures etc, people get the real seeds and then can grow anywhere, you will never find real original marijuana in any "legal" place where they sell, as this will obviously be the manipulated laboratory crap, if you want to see the natural stuff you can ask African people or any Rasta man what kind of weed they smoke. (Bearing in mind, for different reason, the old and new weed is Haraam in my opinion, the new weed as it is clearly an intoxicant and the old weed as it is waste of time and money if not being used for painkilling)
So I mean overall Marijuana is Haraam as we perceive it in this day and age, but maybe if it had been perceived differently over the years, (like a stronger version of tea or something) and served to us in different ways, not as smoke, like in cakes or tea bags, then maybe we would have had a different perception of what it is and hence a different perception of its rulings Islamic ally. But for now as we are not sure, piety requires us to stay away from the doubtful things.
JazakALLAH for reading.
04-03-2010, 05:09 AM
Remember for recreational purposes no matter what it is, it is definitely Haraam, as it makes you waste time and money and is a relaxant and possibly makes your limbs too relaxed. But no where in the Quran does it say that painkillers are Haraam and that is my whole point, if we can use chemistry lab made drugs made by GlaxoSmithKline that have so many sideeffects and chemicals, then why not a natural herbal pain killer given to us by our lord Allah SWT, but only as a painkiller, not recreational. Id rather trust natural medicine than chemistry lab medicine prescribed by Doctors which I will become an addict too anyway, in some ways you could say that all people who take perscribed drugs evryday and cannot live without are druggys junkys hooked on these "legal" drugs...Reply
04-03-2010, 05:28 AM
Originally Posted by londondude
Yeah I got your point already from the mega long post before this one :p
You are right that the marijuana now is more potent because they farm it to increase thc content and sometimes add other rubbish to it too. However, whether you look at it now or 50 years ago or more the plant itself still contains thc, therefore it is an intoxicant (that which intoxicates in large amounts is haram in small amounts).
There maybe other cannabinoids in it which are beneficial, I don't doubt that, but the fact is that as a product it is an intoxicant. If GSK can isolate the good in it and remove the intoxicating parts then there is no issue.
04-04-2010, 05:24 AM
You need to have a hobby, you need to have an activity. And you must select your friends. Leave all of your 'wrong' friends who brought you to wrong way, and make a friendship only with your 'right' friends who never use drugs/marijuana/alcohol.
Join with a sport club according to your hobby, like soccer, basketball, rock climbing, surfing, etc. And always active in your hobby. It can help you.
And the most important, you must have intention to stop smoking marijuana.
Marijuana and other intoxicant like drugs or alcohol makes you happy, but only for a moment and actually this is fake happiness. But if you stop using those intoxicant you can get real happiness.
So, can you stop smoking marijuana ?. You can, brother, you can.
Ops, I just realized this thread was started a year ago.
Okay, my advice is not only for Gabriel but for everyone who has same problem
05-02-2010, 11:22 PM
Originally Posted by gabriel
Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb, jazakallah khayran for sharing this with us. Firstly brother may i just say that this excuse that you are using is a very typical excuse that shaythan uses with most people who use intoxicants. You are truly being decieved if you think that you can live your life optimumely whilst using intoxicants. It is scientifically proven that cannabis is linked to psychosis aswell as many other psychological defects. You may not think you feel anything right now but if you continue to do so then you are risking your mental and physical health. Not only does cannabis use cause many psychological defects but it destroys ones ambitions, determination and zeal. It is very detrimental to your life in this world and the next.
Secondly in Islam all intoxicants are forbidden in Islam and are a test for mankind just like the apple was a test for Adam (As). Therefore when a person intoxicates themself then imaan (faith) cannot stay in the body and so it goes out of the body meaning that when one is intoxicated then they are in a type of disbelief until they are sober that is if Allah wills. Therefore anyone who intoxicates themselves are in fact risking dying in without imaan and therefore they may die in disbelief. A person who dies in disbelief may or may not enter Jannah or even smell the scent of Jannah according to some scholars, although most say they will enter Jannah if they had faith in their life but they may spend a very long time in Jahannam, but can we even spend a second in such a place? We struggle in temperatures of 90 degrees f but what about thousands of degrees? How will we cope in such a place where we will be fuel for the fire? The way a person dies that is the way they will be raised up therefore a person who dies whilst intoxicated will be raised up intoxicated and Allah will not even look at him but ask the angels to throw him into the fire. What a disgusting way to enter the worst of places - Jahannam.
Anyone who intoxicates themselves can they guarantee that they will not die whilst they are intoxicated? We all have a 50 % chance of dying at any moment therefore when one is intoxicated then they are actually taking a 50% risk of eternal doom. Is it really worth it for a short and pointless artificial buzz? You can be the judge of that...
Allah Ta’ala has described intoxicants amongst other things as being appalling, despicable and hateful acts of Satan and he has commanded us to abstain from them, Allah thereafter states in the next verse: -
Satan’s plan is to sow hatred and enmity amongst you with intoxicants and gambling, and to hamper you from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. Will you not give up? (5:91)
Ibn Majah reported from Abu HurairahRZ that the Prophet (SAW) said:
“An addict of intoxication is like a worshipper of an idol.”.”
Drugs are Totally Haraam. They ruin people’s lives physically, mentally, morally and spiritually. So one will be the loser in this world and the next. If you think that a person who continues to intoxicate themselves will have peace, blessings, contentment and happiness in their lives then you are very much mistaken and decieved. Wake up and realise that you are risking eternity of torture for this useless and evil habit. The buzz of being the closest to Allah and pleasing him surpasses any buzz that can be achieved in this life. So feel the pure buzz of being close to Allah and leave this evil habit lest you regret it FOREVER!
Allah has questioned the user of intoxication:
“Then, will you end it?”
Watch this brilliant lecture on intoxication
Sheikh Ahmed Ali talk on intoxication - Part 1
Sheikh Ahmed Ali talk on intoxication – Part 2
if you speak with your doctor about this, he or she will prescribe you an alternative and taper you off until you have no desire to smoke.. I suggest that you seek the help of the professional for this, although in my personal opinion marijuana isn't addicting, some of the 'perceived benefits' are hard to give up, which isn't different from regular cigarettes except with more times the toxins..
Just like smokers seek help, so should those dependent on any drug medically or non-medically prescribed of which there is some tolerance or dependence..
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