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anonymous
04-24-2009, 10:18 PM
i know life is a test, im always told that. but is marriage a test too? wud Allah ever keep u away from the one u love, the one u want to marry and make it so that u marry somebody else, somebody ur totally unhappy with but u do it just to please parents. wud He ever do that as a test? to see how well u'd cope with the marriage, or is that just dumb.
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Yanal
04-24-2009, 10:26 PM
Yes in a way it is,it tests you during hardship how you work with your partner to overcome stress,etc.

It will be a question at a day of judgement.
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S_87
04-24-2009, 10:47 PM
marriage itself is a test but then on the one side we have story along the lines of how a girl came to Muhammed :arabic5: saying she was married against her will and he would have granted her freedom from this but she said she just wanted to know if women had choice.
Marriage is supposed to be something that is blessed and full of love and mercy, not something that makes the people in it upset. That is why if the couple are unhappy they can divorce and although divorce in itself is not something that should be taken lightly it is in some cases even recommended, because although everything is a test marriage is supposed to be something that is atleast there is love and mercy. If there is none of that then how can it truly survive?

you may think its good youre marrying someone to please your parents, but they arent the ones living with this person- they arent the ones building a life with this person. its YOU and its YOU that will suffer if you marry just to please them. Its you and the person-if youre unhappy with the person, would they not too be unhappy? it would make u both miserable because youre not happy so they arent happy.
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Ibn Abi Ahmed
04-24-2009, 10:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by anonymous
i know life is a test, im always told that. but is marriage a test too? wud Allah ever keep u away from the one u love, the one u want to marry and make it so that u marry somebody else, somebody ur totally unhappy with but u do it just to please parents. wud He ever do that as a test? to see how well u'd cope with the marriage, or is that just dumb.
:sl:

May Allaah make it easy for you.

You shouldn't marry someone you're unhappy marrying. You don't have to marry someone you don't want to, just respectfully say 'no', you have that right given to you from Allaah, and you're not sinful for it. If you're parents are insisting, then try and find a way to make it clear to them you won't marry.

It is folly to agree to something you know you'll dislike for the rest of your life, when you had the power over rejecting it and then claim that it is a test from Allaah, when in fact it isn't and you brought it upon yourself. Rather, Allaah has given you a choice so choose with wisdom and make dua' to Allaah that He makes that which is best for you happen.

And honestly, look at it from the other person's side, it's about them as well. You'll be hurting the other party by going into the marriage when you don't want to and thus not fulfilling their rights.
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FatimaAsSideqah
04-24-2009, 11:09 PM
:sl:

Yes, Besides, the concept of love in Islam is very unique, when a Muslim loves something or somebody, it must be for the sake of Allah; the same applies to hatred. Islam teaches us that marriage is the finest, purest and permissible relationship that should exist between a male and female; it should be the goal that they both have in mind.

The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, says:

"Three qualities, if found in a person, will help him have perfect faith: Having Allah and His Messenger, peace and blessings be upon him, as the most beloved ones, loving a person only for the sake of Allah and hating getting back to Kufr (disbelief) the way one hates to be thrown into fire." (al-Bukhari)
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Banu_Hashim
04-24-2009, 11:12 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Yanal
Yes in a way it is,it tests you during hardship how you work with your partner to overcome stress,etc.

It will be a question at a day of judgement.
Really??
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أبو سليمان عمر
04-25-2009, 12:03 AM
yes everything we do is a test

First we have to remember everything happens with Allah will everything is decreed we are judge by our choices not the outcome the outcome is in Allah hand what ever He wills will happen so think positively of Allah, for He has only decreed this thing for you for a reason that is known to Him.

Now islam says for a women who doesnt want to marry someone to refuse so you can refuse and say no i dont want to marry him if they insisted and make you marry him Allah will judge everyone for what they did so Allah will judge them so Ask Allah to forgive them if you refuse and they still try to make you marry him but at end what ever is decreed will happen and not what u choice or your parent but it is what Allah has chosen

Now about love. Love is reality and comes with reality and that reality is marriage so we should begin knowing each other (husband and wife) in the context of reality (marriage) what can make a person more ready for the responsibilities, the commitments, and the reciprocity of marriage but marriage
Asalam wa alakum
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mathematician
04-25-2009, 12:09 AM
there are tests that Allah makes us go through. But let me say this, it is not a test if you marry someone you don't like. That's more like stupidity if I may say. It's stupid and selfish and evil on the part of those people who make you marry someone you don't like.

Make it clear to your parents and those close to you you don't want to marry that person. If they don't accept that then try to approach close friends of your parents or the imam at your local mosque to have a chat with your parents.

Let me say one other thing. Don't marry this person to make your parents happy. It's like a betrayal to the person. Why don't you talk to the guy and tell him look you deserve to be happy but I just don't like you. Or send one of your brothers to talk to him. Please don't do something you will regret. It's unrealistic to expect things to go right when you don't like the person before marriage.
This means you have to do some homework but that's ok. It will bring you happiness in the future.
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Intisar
04-25-2009, 01:29 AM
:sl: Sometimes Allaah swt doesn't grant you a du'a to protect you from the harm that may come from it, so just because you think you ''love'' somebody Allaah knows better. :) You should never marry someone to make someone else happy, and not yourself, because you won't put your all into it. And that's not fair, that's not fair on you or your spouse.

You should marry someone you find attractive, and someone you find capable. Then put your trust in Allaah and foster an islamic marriage.

Marriage is a test, yes, as it's not always an easy road. You fight, you bicker, but you also find solace in each other when fight's blow over and you realise why Allaah put you two together.

:sl:
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anonymous
04-25-2009, 02:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd al-Rahman


It is folly to agree to something you know you'll dislike for the rest of your life, when you had the power over rejecting it and then claim that it is a test from Allaah, when in fact it isn't and you brought it upon yourself.

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format_quote Originally Posted by Alpha Dude

Don't be fatalistic... don't fall into the trap of letting bad things happen, bearing it all patiently, while thinking of them as tests and not fighting if you're able to. Always fight till the last, then surrender your affairs to Allah.
I'm not letting things happen with that intention, with the intention of overcoming the test and bearing it patiently. I'm just trying to find some comfort amidst all the confusion at the moment. Jzk

:w:
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S_87
04-25-2009, 02:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by anonymous
I'm not letting things happen with that intention, with the intention of overcoming the test and bearing it patiently. I'm just trying to find some comfort amidst all the confusion at the moment. Jzk

:w:
InshaAllah we can help you with that even if its just comfort :)

i am sure you know that respect and obedience to parents is a huge thing in islam, however there actually is a line, it doesnt mean a parent can oppress and emotionally blackmail a child. They too will be questioned for what they did to their children, because children are a trust from Allah.
Indeed pleasing your parents is a great great great thing but not if its on something forced onto you.
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IbnAbdulHakim
04-25-2009, 02:41 PM
Assalamu ALaikum

i can understand how certain situations can force you into a difficult position where its hard to seperate from the person your unhappy with.

In such cases, yes i would take it as a test from Allaah.

Even emotional attachments are tests!


may Allah help us get through them, Ameen
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anonymous
04-25-2009, 02:59 PM
please keep me in ur duas inshaAllah. for the strength to remain strong. jzk
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anonymous
04-25-2009, 03:34 PM
:salamext: Very good advice has been given masha' Allaah. Nothing left for me to say really, except that... having to marry someone we do not like is an extremely difficult trial. And the most powerful weapon which can prevent such a trial from happening is du'aa.

Du'aa goes up... battles with the coming trial :-[ Whichever is stronger and more powerful will defeat the other and win. Therefore, make your du'aa very very strong. I was reading about it in this amazing book called realities of faith -- chapter of du'aa :-[

And to bros and sisters who have given advice, including myself: Supporting our brothers and sisters is a very good deed. But supporting is not just giving advice, rather it is praying for them too. Insha' Allaah, and with Allaahs help, our du'aas can prevent and stop this trial from coming to our bro/sis. Or atleast make it milder many degrees. And Allaah is very Merciful and Compassionate ! :-[ :w:
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- Qatada -
04-25-2009, 03:57 PM
Asalam alaikum Warahmatulah Wabarakatuh

"They forced me..."


It’s always us quiet ones isn’t it? The ones who don’t speak out when their parents say to them that we’re getting you married to someone from abroad. We might say 'no..' quietly, but that doesn't really matter to them, because they've already made up their mind. Why is it that the ones who speak out or make a really big noise get away with it? If only I could rebel, its only because i'm quiet that they're using me to get their own way.

That's how you're probably feeling if you've been told you're going to get married abroad. You really want to get married to someone from here, someone who has the same likes as you, someone who knows what you know...


But, its going to happen anyway.


I remember when I was younger, I dreamt I would marry at the age of 25 when I'd just finish uni. I used to dream that I'd chillout with that person and we'd drive around in a M3, watch the sunset together and chillax.

But that didn't happen. I went through some parts of life and reached a stage where I didn't want to be with anyone, I hated it, it felt it would be too much of a burden.

So it was during this exact period, I was told I had to get married.



But you're a guy, how can they force you?

Alot of people say that you're a guy, and you could say NO easily. So i just want to say to all the bros who are going through similar, don't worry - we know its not that easy. To everyone else, this happens in alot of households. Usually, everyone in the house is pressurised - sometimes even threatened - if they don't agree with what's been said. If guys could say no, they would - but some care for their families too much that they feel they have to accept - to keep the house together. Others can say no, and alhamdulillah there isn't much problems that happen after that.

With girls, yes - its hard. If the word slips outside the house that she rejected any idea of marriage, people will question why she said no. 'Has she got a boyfriend?' No. She just wants to be abit more independent, so if her husband turns out to be someone who just wants the visa, atleast she's got some education to support herself. But they don't understand this.



To the Parents

Parents, atleast choose someone who is religious in the proper sense that they have taqwa of Allah. Taqwa in the sense that they fear Allah to be just and fair to your son or daughter. The whole reason you say you get them married abroad is because 'the youth here are bad' - so pick someone whose got a good character from abroad, otherwise - you're wasting your money on the visa application.

Get to know the person, if not by yourself, then atleast through others (who aren't biased in their views) to see his/her character. See him under tough circumstances to see how he handles the pressure. Don't rush the marriage since you love your child, and the same way you spent on them as you brought them up - give them a good start to their life as a married young adult. Otherwise they might hate you for the rest of their life. Why waste all that good you've done for them? If you've spent over 16 years to bring them up, i'm sure it won't matter if you take a few months extra on the deciding someone suitable for marriage, while doing Istikharah prayer and discussing with family their opinions.


There's a Prophetic saying in which he (peace be upon him) said [its meaning]:
If he whose character and deen (practice of religion) pleases you, approaches you in marriage, then marry him, for if you don’t, their will be fitna in the land and vast corruption.
(Tirmidhi and others, see Sunan Tirmidhi #1085 and it is hassan (reliable) as per Sahih ul-Jaami’ #270).

(“fitna” here can be understood to refer to the temptation for fornication, enmity and the cutting off of relations among the people and relatives, and the spreading of hatred. - IslamQA)
So if you argue that its hard to find people who are religious, then atleast find someone who has a good character.


mini story

I know of some marriages which happened like this, they were rushed and both the guy and gurl weren't happy. Instead, all that happened is that they ended up in divorce - with the girl at loss because people might think twice before marrying her again, and the guys family at loss because now if they ever go Pakistan - their in threat of being shot by her relatives.



The Jannah on Earth - A Love & Hate thing

People abroad hear so much about the west, especially our muslim lands and come to the conclusion that its Jannah (Paradise) on earth here. My wife told me that the people think that you can get anything you want, whenever you want here. Before my dad came, he used to think that the houses would be made out of glass.

That's why people want to get their own children here too, and many will do anything to achieve that. Since you only have a limited amount of kids you can get married off, some parents feel that they need to get the most respectable, beautiful, and richest families in their pocket, to boost up their respect. The family abroad thinks that the same will happen to them, with the bonus that their kid will come to Europe, or 'Amrrika'.


But sadly, they don't take the ones who are going to get married into account.



So yeah, fast forward. The marriage takes place, alot of people invited to the feast, and the family who was supposed to enjoy the wedding the most sweat the day out. They don't enjoy it, because they have to make sure everything goes to plan. The girl herself can't eat much because it would spoil her makeup, and the cameras always in the guys face so he can't look greedy.

Who enjoys it the most? The guy with the biggest stomach on the invitation list. Do you enjoy it? No.



Then the time comes when everyone believes its forced to have intercourse on the first night, when it isn't.
"It is not obligatory for the man to have intercourse with his wife on the wedding night. They may delay that until the time that they choose. But intercourse -- in general -- is obligatory, and it is the right of both spouses"
There's even proof for this in the Sunnah, where Allah's Messenger (sal Allah alaihi wasalam) didn't have intercourse with some wives on the same day as the Nikah [marriage contract] but instead, he did some time later. I.e. his wives Um Habibah, and Aa'isha fit in this category.



The Locked Room

You've probably never even kissed someone from the opposite gender before, but on the spot - people expect you to know what to do on the wedding night without telling you anything about it. They just lock you up in the same room at night, with their ears next to the door - waiting to see if you talk to each other. Oh, and this is the first time you see their face. Alhamdulillah alot of people understand what to do, kind of. In the past it must have been well tough.

If it seems too explicit, then I think the parents should know that this is how their children feel.



Okay, pause. If you reach this part of your life - its destiny. You HAD to be there at that time in that place. So long as you made the Istikharah prayer before that - then its all good. "The believers state is always good, if something displeasing happens to him - he's patient, if something good happens to him - he's thankful." [Sahih Muslim] You made the istikharah prayer so Allah guided you to what was better, if it was bad for you - Allah would remove it from your life since He knows, and you don't.


Anyone can cry and say that it I hate life, and complain and argue. But think about it, what can you really do when Allah has willed something for you that you have no power over? The only reason you don't have power over it is because it had to happen, so its for a greater wisdom which you might only see in the future.

So make du'a to Allah and He will do what is the best outcome for you.



The Superiority Complex

Now that the marriage has happened, many people from the west will have some form of superiority complex by nature - the guy/gurl married from the west may even think that they've done a favour to the person they've married, since you were already here, but they're from a poorer country and moved to a richer one - by 'using' you for the visa.

So they look down upon that person if they at first don't like them. Many have a negative attitude from the start because they were forced into it. Sometimes, the guy from the west doesn't even approach the girl he married at all. "It's my dads fault." he says to himself. The anger and jealousy is taken out on the girl who he's forced to be married to. Sometimes the girl gets angry at her mum too, she doesn't want to talk to her... and the parents questions why? if I had such a good intention for them. Good intentions aren't always enough.

I felt this way for a long time, but marriage matures you in many ways and I understood some wisdoms. So let's take a few steps back and view this situation.



"I don't want it to happen to me.." But it happens to the world.

You probably know that there are people who are forced into marriage, its a simple fact. So you say to yourself "I know this, so i dont want it to happen to me." But look at it this way; the majority of marriages within the world have always been forced or arranged in one way or another.

The majority of marriages in the world have not been love marriages, or marriages which the people chose for themselves. That's why alot of these love stories are so famous (Layla & Majnun etc), because they've strived to get married to someone they want to - but they're unable to due to dislike of parents or the pressures of society, and thats the only reason why their love stories became famous.

If you get angry with your parents, then know that they probably also got placed into an arranged marriage. If not them, then atleast their parents did. You've heard the point that 'love comes after marriage', you might disagree with it - but ask yourself this - Why don't they ever tell what happens to a couple after marriage in love stories?

It's because true love only lasts once the marriage takes place, so you stick together through the hard and easy moments. And that's when true love really shows.






Do you believe you're doing a favour in marrying this person?


Think of this;

Alot of the girls from abroad are also being forced into the marriage, just as you are. She probably hasn't seen you either. But she has to accept it because her parents said so. So do you have a right to take your anger out on her, when she probably feels more strange by living with your family? She's left her whole world for you in a strange land with different people, and the only person she can rely on is you. Are you going to let her down, when Allah has already willed that your marriage would happen?


Alot of guys here are more dependant on their families, they can get pressurized easily and the wife may percieve the husband usually as 'less independent, so less manly' - in comparison to the men who they potentially could be married to in their home countries. Since once a girls married there, the guy makes his own decisions in comparison to guys in this country - generally speaking.

Doesn't the girl feel impatient at this? Yes. But she has to accept it, the same way you should accept her if you feel shes not upto your standards.


A mini story

There's a guy I know about whose been married for around 8 years, but because he wasn't happy with the marriage - he still doesnt talk to the wife properly. Not because he's shy, but because he still has ill feelings for what his dad did of arranging his marriage. The wife tries to get along by sometimes even giving him presents, but even if he tries - it seems those ill feelings always come in his mind so he doesn't want to carry on. It's sad.. but you see, if you feel sorry for the wife in this situation - imagine you were to do the same?

Which other person can she depend on except him, when he's supposed to be the only closest one to her through this relationship? That Rahmah (mercy) in your heart should allow your heart to open up to your wife and accept the reality, and then to move forward. Didn't Allah's Messenger tell us that if you have mercy on those on earth, the one above the heavens [fi samaa'] will have Mercy on you? [Sunan Al Tirmidhi]



Your Responsibility

Allah has placed this person under you as your responsibility, they have no other person to lookafter them - and your looking after them will prove your manhood. Since you will interact with them the most, you can change their personality better, an Islamic personality. But you can only achieve this if you get that closeness to them through commitment, and through love and care for them. If you don't, then someone else will, and the person may turn out to be something you don't like. Then your marriage won't work further. Some people say that the people from abroad are slightly sneaky and you don't know their objectives, but think of it this way - they probably going through the marriage for the first time just as you are - so if you show them good, they will by nature want to do the same. I've seen so much Muslimahs from the west who hang out with their husbands from abroad and make him like they want him to be, and it seems both of them are happy with that.




Why marrying someone from abroad can be an advantage

They're still young, so they have an open mind to the world. The same way you do. When us people have biases for the people abroad of being backward, then we should know that these people are probably alot more advanced intellectually on different aspects of life than us. Not just that, they've probably experienced the world alot more than us in matters of communication, and probably know whats kool and what isn't.

There's many reasons for this, the main one being because they live the world by seeing and talking to real people in hotter climated countries because the people are more 'lively' there due to the living conditions, whereas us people like us in the west live locked up behind a computer screen (whether at home or at work) due to the freezing temperatures and talk with our fingers only to cyber people. Further - materialism and fashion has spread to even villages in the nations abroad - so they also know what's popular. So they're not really backward - they're just like you. Even then, if they don't know the latest styles - why not help them work on themselves to look the way you want them to look?


Self Honour & Respect

Something really nice about marrying people from abroad is that they have a sense of self respect or self honour, its placed into them naturally by their culture so they don't want to resort to divorce when any small problem arises. Unlike the west where we're taught that once you're divorced - you've got less problems, the opposite is felt for the people abroad. This means that this person is likely to be more committed to you, because sadly - once a woman is divorced, alot of people question or be suspicious about her - even if she hasn't done anything wrong, even if it was the guys fault. So she remains patient and sticks to the marriage. This refutes the misconception that alot of people have when they say that they only come for the visa (yes it can sometimes be true, but if you show them how amazing and sinere you really are - they won't want to leave you.)

You shouldn't abuse this, but should reach out to be patient too. Alot of Caucasian (white) men who are non muslim get married to women from other parts of the world i.e. Asia etc. because of this discipline and respect they hear about the women there.





Playing sports at 30, not 50

You probably had to get married at a young age, and that's probably why you're more dependant on family too. But think about this; Your mates from high school might still be running around like kids, deciding on whether some nex girl is attractive to them, or taking photos of themselves smiling next to a car (which they don't own) on facebook. Thats the highest point they reach in their social life - just a facebook photo which some people comment on. So they wait their whole day just for someone to comment on their pic or some stranger to add them. Wow, thats such an exciting life.

Whereas you, because of this marriage - will be reaching newer heights continuously, you'll be maturing way more quicker than your old mates, you'll have a relationship with someone without the harmful consequences of sin, and you'll be ahead in life than other people your age.

Think of it this way, it might sound huge because you might think you're not ready for it - but compare yourself with someone else who hasn't got this blessing in disguise. This other friend thinks that he/she can chill out till the age of 25 in uni, then he/she wants to get his/her degree and get married. Yeah? Okay, now when this mate gets married - they want to chill out and have a laugh with their new wife or husband, probably like a year or something. Then they might think of having kids. So when they're in their 40s, they have a kid whose a teenager, and by the time they're in their 50s - only then they're child leaves uni and starts providing income for them.

Now compare this to your own situation. You probably got married when you're around 17-18, abit before or after. Then, you might have a kid around the age of 19 or 20. As the kid grows up, you can play with them since you're still young too. So you grow with your child, and by the time in your in your 30s or 40s, you can give up work and your kid - whose now an adult - will start providing for you.


Which option seems more fun? You decide. I wouldn't want to be an old man in my 50s running around after a football with a 9yr old kid. I'd rather do it when i'm in my young 30s.




The Glad Tidings in the Qur'an & Sunnah
Live with them honourably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allâh brings through it a great deal of good.

[Qur'an Al Nisa 4:19]


In the tafsir of this verse, Ibn Kathir states;

Allah says that your patience, which is demonstrated by keeping wives whom you dislike, carries good rewards for you in this life and the Hereafter. Ibn `Abbas commented on this Ayah, "That the husband may feel compassion towards his wife and Allah gives him a child with her, and this child carries tremendous goodness.'' An authentic Hadith states,
«لَا يَفْرَكْ مُؤْمِنٌ مُؤْمِنَةً، إِنْ سَخِطَ مِنْهَا خُلُقًا، رَضِيَ مِنْهَا آخَر»

(No believing man should hate his believing wife. If he dislikes a part of her conduct, he would surely like another.)
Are you convinced? Okay:

There's a few things which you should take into consideration when you do be with your new marriage partner, because communication is proper important in a relationship.
- The main one is that you actually do talk to the person, if you find language a barrier - try speaking to your parents in the native/home language of your partner to get a good practise of it. Because it may just be that you're shy to talk the language, whereas the partner might think you don't like them. So practise and attempts in the language are important. I'm learning urdu from my wife and I teach her english.

- Try to study the culture and some facts about the places they're coming from. This allows you to have things to discuss together which you can both be interested in. Exchanging facts and opinions with each other strengthens relationships alot.

- Its likely that they will be sensitive to the culture they've come from, so you need to show them that you are understanding to what they say. So if you have a negative view on something from that culture, don't say "i hate it", but instead ask them to show how they themselves percieve that same thing. It might be that you understand it and realise why its actually something good once you understand some background information on the topic.

- Keep common ground between each other, so you have something which you can both settle on if it looked like some argument was about to happen. For example, even the tone of your voice, or the expression on your face would influence what you say. You might want to grin, smile, or use a 'tune in your voice' when you want to make a point in a non aggressive way.

- Treat them like they're your own, not an outsider. This is something which they need alot - acceptance. The more you show them this, the more they'll feel comfortable with you, and the stronger your relationship will be, so life will be easier insha Allah.

A fact: When my relationship with Allah is low, i feel alot of conflict in the marriage. Set yourself a target as to how much times you'll make du'a (supplication) to Allah, even about aiding you in your marriage. The stronger your connection is with Allah, the better your relationship will be with the creation [which includes your marriage life].



Try your best - and see its fruits, insha Allah..

So remember, they're like you, if you feel that it'll never work - then you can't be sure of that in any marriage. Instead, every marriage is about experimenting, its about you trying your best - whatever efforts you put in, you'll see their fruits. Soon enough you won't even remember that they were from another country, you'll just remember the laughs you had together when you remember the memories - insha Allah.
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