format_quote Originally Posted by
Dawud_uk
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may Allah swt curse the pakistani soldiers, their commanders and the pakistani government who have all abandoned the ummah of muhammad (saws) for the ummah of bush, brown, blair and obama.
they have allied with the kuffar, taken up arms in their aid, forbidden people from the shariah and fought those who wish to bring it about, they are kuffar and may Allah swt guide them or destroy them, ameen.
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I will tell you why you are wrong. for starters you say that the pakistani soldiers should be cursed and so forth, why? the taliban are the ones who cant seem to stick to their agreements and honour their treaties, it is part of Islamic law that when you make a treaty and so forth that you honour it, the taliban did not honour their contract and started moving into new areas which they didnt have the right to do, so action was taken against them.
secondly you say the pakistani army are fighting against a people who want to introduce sharia, ah, introducing sharia over the dead bodies of thousands of Muslims so far? the ulamah are all in agreement that if someone wants to get rid of an evil, then he has no right to get rid of this evil by causing more evil, and look at Pakistan, all we see is fitna, Muslims killing Muslims, taliban making suicide and bomb attacks one after the other against Muslim Pakistanis, and just because those Pakistanis are soldiers or policemen DOES NOT MAKE THEM KAFFIRS AND DOES NOT GIVE YOU A LEGITIMATE RIGHT TO MURDER THEM, this is a new false ideology creeping into Muslims thinking hey if these guys are soldiers and police then we can kill them! most of these Muslim soldiers joined the army and police to bring order and law, to serve the interests of their country, yes the goverment may be corrupt, but that does not mean you go killing all these fellow Muslim soldiers now.
wanting to introduce sharia does not mean you go out and kill Muslim after the other, this is why they failed in Iraq, they had their power, and Islamic state, but they were so extreme and vile killing their own fellow Muslims that the Sunni population overthrew and kicked them out.
if the taliban want to strike the real bad guys, then let them march and storm the goverment buildings and posts, not blow up academies, checkpoints, etc etc which in no way get rid of the main evil that is the Pakistani goverment, to overthrow the goverment then go on and directly attack where the goverment is! this would have been far better and acceptable, it would have caused to less blood-shed, less fitna.
so if we Muslims want to introduce an Islamic state then the first route is EDUCATION, how are you going to introduce a concept of something that many people are ignorant of, first you need to teach the people the religion day in day out non stop and make them want an Islamic state, naturally this will make the people themselves rise up and call for it in mass numbers, most Pakistanis in fact do want an Islamic state, but they dont want an Islamic state in the style of the Taliban with bomb attacks against fellow Muslims and beheadings of fellow Muslims etc.
secondly, we need to have a strong leader, one who can unite us or the people of the specific land, i dont see that. bin laden? hes a nobody hiding in a cave who keeps making claims which he never follows up on, mullah omar? the same, all these other leaders are all in hiding running day in day out, that is not qualified to be a leader, we need a strong leader out in the open, where people can go and speak to him, learn from him etc.
thirdly, we need to have a powerful army, well trained, well organized, with good weapons and equipment something the taliban lack, the taliban to this day are not able to fight the western forces one on one in the open, so how in the world does such a force plan to get hold of a country if they dont even have the means to fight outside forces? if the USA wanted to they could enter Pakistan tommorow and in 1 month they could get rid of the taliban, so how in the world is such a force capable of running an Islamic state??????
so the reality is this, we dont have any of the main conditions to make an Islamic state, so it is all doomed to failure, we Muslims need to stop going by emotions and start being realistic and working hard, the first best place to start is EDUCATIONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN, we Muslims today are nothing, nobodies, once we become smart in our deen and general affairs then we can start laying down the foundations.