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anonymous
06-10-2009, 02:50 PM
Salaam


I hope you can all offer your advice and support. I am a young muslimah trying to become the best Muslim that I can. At a younger age I decided to wear the jalbab because I loved how I felt in it, it has been a couple of years where I have been wearing it, however is it ok if I wore alternative clothing such as, a long dress and loose trousers, or a t-shirt and dress on top wth a skirt, obviously the principles of wearing the jalbab is that it must be loose, modest and not transparent and I will 100% intend to wear the alternate clothing with the same ruling...What is Islam's take on this, at first wearing the Jalbab and then deciding to wear other clothing even though it will be loose, modest and not transparent like the jalbab...Is it wrong to do this? Or right as long as it adhere's to Islam ruling on clothing? I just wanted help and support because I feel that people may judge me because I am not wearing the jalbab even though what I am wearing is suitable and appropriate and they really should be focusing on their own daughter's and son's rather than judging me...Im sorry for the length of the thread, I look forward to hearing from you..Jazakhallah
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
06-10-2009, 04:25 PM
:sl: sis.

Well I think(might be wrong) that it is ok as long as u follow the conditions of hijab i.e. the ones u mentioned. I do that as well...loose and modest clothing, mostly i wear long skirts...sometimes abaya...i dont wana wear pants but if i do i make sure its loose. I hardly think anyone should think different of you, cuz i sure wouldnt :)

:w:
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Snowflake
06-12-2009, 08:04 PM
I know we must wear an outer garment when going out/in front of non-mahrams. But I am not 100% sure if the outer garment has to reach feet if the clothing underneath is loose and covers the awrah appropriately? However, there is no doubt concerning the upper part of the body. It is clear from al-Quran, (Surah An-Nur 29:31).

“And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. Their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment.

A fitted jacket worn as an outer garment with the headscarf tucked in, is not covering the upper body.

Thank you for your post. It's reminded me to find the answer about thelength of the outer garment. :)
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~Taalibah~
06-12-2009, 08:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by anonymous
Salaam


I hope you can all offer your advice and support. I am a young muslimah trying to become the best Muslim that I can. At a younger age I decided to wear the jalbab because I loved how I felt in it, it has been a couple of years where I have been wearing it, however is it ok if I wore alternative clothing such as, a long dress and loose trousers, or a t-shirt and dress on top wth a skirt, obviously the principles of wearing the jalbab is that it must be loose, modest and not transparent and I will 100% intend to wear the alternate clothing with the same ruling...What is Islam's take on this, at first wearing the Jalbab and then deciding to wear other clothing even though it will be loose, modest and not transparent like the jalbab...Is it wrong to do this? Or right as long as it adhere's to Islam ruling on clothing? I just wanted help and support because I feel that people may judge me because I am not wearing the jalbab even though what I am wearing is suitable and appropriate and they really should be focusing on their own daughter's and son's rather than judging me...Im sorry for the length of the thread, I look forward to hearing from you..Jazakhallah
:sl:

Sister, you are wearing the jilbaab, dont let go of it.:)
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AnonymousPoster
06-12-2009, 10:56 PM
I wear trousers/pants/ with loose long tops.
I don't care what people think, It is Allah I worship he knows who I am.
A cloth does not make me pious.
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alcurad
06-12-2009, 11:13 PM
as long as it rules are upheld, it's ok to wear whatever, clothes have many variations, the jilbab is no the only thing a Muslim woman can wear for going outside etc.

try to cover the hair as well, that would be the complete hijab, however don't rush yourself if you're going to give it up the next day.

generally speaking, how much wrong is it not to follow all the rules depends on what conditions are you under, in a country where many women are dressed modestly, or in other words it is easier to dress more modestly than not, it's obviously a greater sin not to adhere to the rules.
in a country where most women don't dress modestly it is less a sin compared to the above, since it is the norm and will be noticed less, but if the rules are followed, that is a sign of strong faith and modesty, and they should be followed as far as one can follow them, since they are not so difficult to follow in the first place.
not to mention they are there for a reason, well more than one, as you would be aware.
a cloth does make a difference, in people's perceptions if nothing else, however no one can force you to believe/follow, you have to do it yourself.

on another note, it is commendable that you are trying to follow your beliefs as you are now sister:), being young especially, may Allah help and guide you and all of us.
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HopeFul
06-13-2009, 01:29 AM
:sl:

According to what i understand as necessary, we must cover our clothes that we wear , because theya re a part of our zeenat that we are supposed to cover. Hence it is important for us to wer another cover on top of our clothes. Maybe you can switch to another type of jilbab or abaya that is differnt in style or colour keeping its function as a loose garment, but do NOT take it off, don't you feel like you will be exposing yourself? I feel that way, I even wear the Niqaab, and I live in switzerland, once people get to know you, they are nice and to hell with those who make a bad face, seriously sister, I think the matter of people judging you is more amatter of sorting ourselves inside in our mind, about our priorities instead of a matter of sorting our clthes out. Allah is more important to us and we do things for Him, not people, so as long as people are concerned, I am not bothered anymore, Alhamdolillah.

Try and do more Dhikr and get closer to Allah,t hat will clear your personal doubts InshaAllah.

Look up the matter of Hijab and covering, that will give you strength about what you are already doing is great and wouldn't want to lose it.

May Allah give you the strength to cary one, Ameen.

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Snowflake
06-13-2009, 10:30 AM
^I'm not sure sis Hopeful. The reason being that clothes can be simple too. I only see fashionable/bright clothes as something that can enhance a woman's beauty. But a plain loose shalwaar kameez with a large chaadar (shawl) on top seems as good as wearing a jilbab to me. I don't know. In countries where the jilbab is not a traditional part of dress, you can stand out and therefore get noticed more. I went to Pakistan and wore jilbabs. Other than my relatives making fun of me, people stared. And I nearly died when a man in a house we visited said I could remove my jilbab and get more comfortable now; because to them the traditional shalwar, kameez and chaadar is sufficient hijab.


I have to ask a scholar.
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HopeFul
06-13-2009, 09:51 PM
Praise be to Allaah.

Verses that have to do with hijab:

1 – Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, headcover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allaah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful”

[al-Noor 24:31]

2 – Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And as for women past childbearing who do not expect wedlock, it is no sin on them if they discard their (outer) clothing in such a way as not to show their adornment. But to refrain (i.e. not to discard their outer clothing) is better for them. And Allaah is All‑Hearer, All‑Knower”

[al-Noor 24:60]

“Women past childbearing” are those who no longer menstruate, so they can no longer get pregnant or bear children.

We shall see below the words of Hafsah bint Sireen and the way in which she interpreted this verse.

3 – Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allaah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”

[al-Ahzaab 33:59]

4 – Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Enter not the Prophet’s houses, unless permission is given to you for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation. But when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken your meal, disperse without sitting for a talk. Verily, such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet, and he is shy of (asking) you (to go); but Allaah is not shy of (telling you) the truth. And when you ask (his wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen, that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not (right) for you that you should annoy Allaah’s Messenger, nor that you should ever marry his wives after him (his death). Verily, with Allaah that shall be an enormity”

[al-Ahzaab 33:53]

With regard to the Ahaadeeth:

1 – It was narrated from Safiyyah bint Shaybah that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) used to say: When these words were revealed – “and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)” – they took their izaars (a kind of garment) and tore them from the edges and covered their faces with them.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4481. The following version was narrated by Abu Dawood (4102):

May Allaah have mercy on the Muhaajir women. When Allaah revealed the words “and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)”, they tore the thickest of their aprons (a kind of garment) and covered their faces with them.

Shaykh Muhammad al-Ameen al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

This hadeeth clearly states that what the Sahaabi women mentioned here understood from this verse – “and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)” – was that they were to cover their faces, and that they tore their garments and covered their faces with them, in obedience to the command of Allaah in the verse where He said “and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)” which meant covering their faces. Thus the fair-minded person will understand that woman’s observing hijab and covering her face in front of men is established in the saheeh Sunnah that explains the Book of Allaah. ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) praised those women for hastening to follow the command of Allaah given in His Book. It is known that their understanding of the words “and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)” as meaning covering the face came from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), because he was there and they asked him about everything that they did not understand about their religion. And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad) the Dhikr [reminder and the advice (i.e. the Qur’aan)], that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought”

[al-Nahl 16:44]

Ibn Hajar said in Fath al-Baari: There is a report of Ibn Abi Haatim via ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Uthmaan ibn Khaytham from Safiyyah that explains that. This report says: We mentioned the women of Quraysh and their virtues in the presence of ‘Aa’ishah and she said: “The women of Quraysh are good, but by Allaah I have never seen any better than the women of the Ansaar, or any who believed the Book of Allaah more strongly or had more faith in the Revelation. When Soorat al-Noor was revealed – “and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)” – their menfolk came to them and recited to them what had been revealed, and there was not one woman among them who did not go to her apron, and the following morning they prayed wrapped up as if there were crows on their heads. It was also narrated clearly in the report of al-Bukhaari narrated above, where we see ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), who was so knowledgeable and pious, praising them in this manner and stating that she had never seen any women who believed the Book of Allaah more strongly or had more faith in the Revelation. This clearly indicates that they understood from this verse – “and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)” – that it was obligatory to cover their faces and that this stemmed from their belief in the Book of Allaah and their faith in the Revelation. It also indicates that women’s observing hijab in front of men and covering their faces is an act of belief in the Book of Allaah and faith in the Revelation. It is very strange indeed that some of those who claim to have knowledge say that there is nothing in the Qur’aan or Sunnah that says that women have to cover their faces in front of non-mahram men, even though the Sahaabi women did that in obedience to the command of Allaah in His Book, out of faith in the Revelation, and that this meaning is also firmly entrenched in the Sunnah, as in the report from al-Bukhaari quoted above. This is among the strongest evidence that all Muslim women are obliged to observe hijab.

Adwa’ al-Bayaan, 6/594-595.

2 – It was narrated from ‘Aa’ishah that the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to go out at night to al-Manaasi’ (well known places in the direction of al-Baqee’) to relieve themselves and ‘Umar used to say to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “Let your wives be veiled.” But the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do that. Then one night Sawdah bint Zam’ah, the wife of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), went out at ‘Isha’ time and she was a tall woman. ‘Umar called out to her: “We have recognized you, O Sawdah!” hoping that hijab would be revealed, then Allaah revealed the verse of hijab.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 146; Muslim, 2170.

3 – It was narrated from Ibn Shihaab that Anas said: I am the most knowledgeable of people about hijab. Ubayy ibn Ka’b used to ask me about it. When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married Zaynab bint Jahsh, whom he married in Madeenah, he invited the people to a meal after the sun had risen. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sat down and some men sat around him after the people had left, until the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood up and walked a while, and I walked with him, until he reached the door of ‘Aa’ishah’s apartment. Then he thought that they had left so he went back and I went back with him, and they were still sitting there. He went back again, and I went with him, until he reached the door of ‘Aa’ishah’s apartment, then he came back and I came back with him, and they had left. Then he drew a curtain between me and him, and the verse of hijab was revealed.

Al-Bukhaari, 5149; Muslim, 1428.

4 – It was narrated from ‘Urwah that ‘Aa’ishah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to pray Fajr and the believing women would attend (the prayer) with him, wrapped in their aprons, then they would go back to their houses and no one would recognize them.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 365; Muslim, 645.

5 – It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “The riders used to pass by us when we were with the Messenger of Allaah (S) in ihraam, and when they drew near to us we would lower our jilbabs from our heads over our faces, then when they had passed we would uncover them again.

Narrated by Abu Dawood, 1833; Ibn Maajah, 2935; classed as saheeh by Ibn Khuzaymah (4,203) and by al-Albaani in Kitaab Jilbaab al-Mar’ah al-Muslimah.

6 – It was narrated that Asma’ bint Abi Bakr said: We used to cover our faces in front of men.

Narrated by Ibn Khuzaymah, 4/203; al-Haakim, 1/624. He classed it as saheeh and al-Dhahabi agreed with him. It was also classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Jilbaab al-Mar’ah al-Muslimah.

7 – It was narrated that ‘Aasim al-Ahwaal said: We used to enter upon Hafsah bint Sireen who had put her jilbab thus and covered her face with it, and we would say to her: May Allaah have mercy on you. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And as for women past childbearing who do not expect wedlock, it is no sin on them if they discard their (outer) clothing in such a way as not to show their adornment” [al-Noor 24:60]. And she would say to us: What comes after that? We would say: “But to refrain (i.e. not to discard their outer clothing) is better for them”. And she would say: That is confirming the idea of hijab.

Narrated by al-Bayhaqi, 7/93.



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