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AlexJ90
07-22-2009, 11:41 AM
I have heard portraits are haraam as they are imitating the act of creation.

Could someone please emphasis this more? with detail?

Is there anywhere in the Quran, where creation of portraits, such as mountains, animals etc are seen as forbidden? Are they also forbidden to hang on the wall? Such as the living room?

Please provide any Quran verses or authentic Hadiths in your answers if you can.

I have told several people in my family that its possibly forbidden, but they all ignore me and say its complete non-sense. They give me reasons such as, the artist who created the portrait is just drawing a real enviroment that Allah created. Also they tell me Allah subhana wa tala'a, gave us the talent of creatiing things, such as portraits and sculptures, so why not use them?


Please Advice me.
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nays
07-22-2009, 07:57 PM
Praise be to Allaah.

Photography (tasweer) means the taking of pictures of living, animate moving beings, like people, animals, birds, etc. The ruling is that it is forbidden on the basis of a number of reports, such as the following:

'Abdullaah ibn Mas'ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Those who will be most severely punished by Allaah on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, see al-Fath, 10/382).

Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Allaah, may He be exalted, says: 'Who does more wrong than the one who tries to create something like My creation? Let him create a grain of wheat or a kernel of corn.'" (Reported by al-Bukhaari, see Fath al-Baari, 10/385).

'Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "Shall I not send you on the same mission as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent me? Do not leave any built-up tomb without levelling it, and do not leave any picture in any house without erasing it." (Reported by Muslim and al-Nisaa'i; this is the version narrated by al-Nisaa'i).

Ibn 'Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him and his father) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Every image-maker will be in the Fire, and for every image that he made a soul will be created for him, which will be punished in the Fire." Ibn 'Abbaas said: "If you must do that, make pictures of trees and other inanimate objects." (Reported by Muslim, 3/1871)

These ahaadeeth indicate that pictures of animate beings are haraam, whether they are humans or other creatures, whether they are three-dimensional or two-dimensional, whether they are printed, drawn, etched, engraved, carved, cast in moulds, etc. These ahaadeeth include all of these types of pictures.

The Muslim should submit to the teachings of Islam and not argue with them by saying, "But I am not worshipping them or prostrating to them!" If we think about just one aspect of the evil caused by the prevalence of photographs and pictures in our times, we will understand something of the wisdom behind this prohibition: that aspect is the great corruption caused by the provoking of physical desires and subsequent spread of immorality caused by these pictures.

The Muslim should not keep any pictures of animate beings in his house, because they will prevent the angels from entering. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "The angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or pictures." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, see al-Fath, 10/380).
But nowadays, unfortunately, one can even find in some Muslim homes statues of gods worshipped by the kuffaar (such as Buddha etc.) which they keep on the basis that they are antiques or decorative pieces. These things are more strictly prohibited than others, just as pictures which are hung up are worse than pictures which are not hung up, for how easily they can lead to glorification, and cause grief or be a source of boasting! We cannot say that these pictures are kept for memory's sake, because true memories of a Muslim relative or friend reside in the heart, and we remember them by praying for mercy and forgiveness for them.

Taking pictures with a camera involves human actions such as focusing, pressing the shutter, developing, printing, and so on. We cannot call it anything other than "picture-making" or tasweer, which is the expression used by all Arabic-speakers to describe this action.

In the book Al-I'laam bi naqd kitaab al-halaal wa'l-haraam, the author says: "Photography is even more of an imitation of the creation of Allaah than pictures which are engraved or drawn, so it is even more deserving of being prohibited… There is nothing that could exclude photography from the general meaning of the reports." (p. 42, see also Fataawa Islamiyyah, 4/355).

Among the scholars who have discussed the issue of photography is Shaykh Naasir al-Deen al-Albaani, who said: "Some of them differentiate between hand-drawn pictures and photographic images by claiming that the latter are not products of human effort, and that no more is involved than the mere capturing of the image. This is what they claim. The tremendous energy invested the one who invented this machine that can do in few seconds what otherwise could not be done in hours does not count as human effort, according to these people! Pointing the camera, focusing it, and taking the picture, preceded by installation of the film and followed by developing and whatever else that I may not know about… none of this is the result of human effort, according to them!

Some of them explain how this photography is done, and summarize that no less than eleven different actions are involved in the making of a picture. In spite of all this, they say that this picture is not the result of human action! Can it be permissible to hang up a picture of a man, for example, if it is produced by photography, but not if it is drawn by hand?

Those who say that photography is permitted have "frozen" the meaning of the word "tasweer," restriciting it only to the meaning known at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and not adding the meaning of photography, which is "tasweer" or "picture-making" in every sense - linguistic, legal, and in its harmful effects, and as is clear from the definition mentioned above. Years ago, I said to one of them, By the same token, you could allow idols which have not been carved but have been made by pressing a button on some machine that turns out idols by the dozen. What do you say to that?"
(Aadaab al-Zafaaf by al-Albaani, p. 38)

It is also worth quoting the opinion of some contemporary scholars who allow the taking of photographs but say that the pictures should not be kept: "The angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or pictures." (See al-Sharh al-Mumti', 2/198).

There are many bad things involved in the making of pictures. Besides the element of imitating the creation of Allaah - which is an accusation denied by many of those who make pictures - reality bears witness to the great extent of immorality and provocation of desires caused by the prevalence of pictures and picture-making nowadays. We must remove or blot out every picture, except when it is too difficult to do so, like the pictures which are overwhelmingly prevalent in food packaging, or pictures used in encyclopaedias and reference books. We should remove what we can, and be careful about any provocative pictures that may be found.
"So keep your duty to Allaah and fear Him as much as you can…" [al-Taghaabun 64:16 - interpretation of the meaning]

Photographs which are essential are permitted - such as those required for identity documents, or for identifying or pursuing criminals [e.g. "wanted" posters and the like - translator's note], or for educational purposes which cannot be achieved otherwise. The principle in sharee'ah is that we should not exaggerate about what is necessary.
We ask Allaah to accept our repentance and have mercy on us, and to forgive our excesses, for He is the All-Hearing Who answers prayers. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.



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Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/34522



Praise be to Allaah.

The focus of the prohibition on image making is images of animate beings, whether they are sculpted or drawn on walls or fabric or paper, or they are woven, and whether they are drawn with a quill or pen or made with a machine, and whether the image is of the creature as it naturally appears or whether imagination comes into play and it is made smaller or larger, or made beautiful or distorted, or the skeleton inside is shown in the picture.

The reason for the prohibition is that what is represented is animate beings, even if they are imaginary images such as those that are drawn to represent ancient peoples such as the pharaohs and commanders and soldiers during the Crusades, or images of Jesus and Mary that are placed in churches, etc. This is because of the general meaning of the texts and because of the imitation of the creation of Allaah, and because it is a means that leads to shirk.

From Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 1/479.

Muslim narrated that ‘Aa’ishah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came from a journey and I had hung a curtain at my door, on which were pictures of horses with wings, and he told me to take it down.

This hadeeth indicates that images of animate beings are not allowed even if they are imaginary pictures of things that do not exist in real life, because there are no horses with wings in real life.

And Allaah knows best.

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/34522
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nays
07-22-2009, 07:58 PM
The sheikh also says in another fatwa, about having photos of people up (paintings etc included aswell) inside the house, to remove them, and then:

You can replace them, if you wish, with pictures of inanimate objects, such as trees, mountains, oceans and other natural scenes, or other drawings of inanimate objects, without being extravagant or wasteful.
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/7918
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- IqRa -
07-23-2009, 08:23 AM
^ Excellent answer in detail MashaaAllaah...
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AlexJ90
07-23-2009, 12:02 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by nays
The sheikh also says in another fatwa, about having photos of people up (paintings etc included aswell) inside the house, to remove them, and then:



http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/7918
What do you mean replace them? Your still replacing a portrait with another portrait of a mountain?, Isnt that forbidden too?
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- IqRa -
07-23-2009, 12:03 PM
He meant portraits of living things - e.g. humans, animals, etc. with portraits of non-living things, e.g. nature, mountains, flowers, etc.
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AlexJ90
07-23-2009, 12:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by T.I.A
He meant portraits of living things - e.g. humans, animals, etc. with portraits of non-living things, e.g. nature, mountains, flowers, etc.
So its okay to remove a portrait drawing of a mountain or forest, with a portrait of a REAL human being, and animal like a cat?

Is that ok?
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- IqRa -
07-23-2009, 12:30 PM
The other way around =)
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AlexJ90
07-23-2009, 01:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by T.I.A
The other way around =)
hmm ok i got it. So its okay to remove portraits of animals and replace them with mountains etc.

But isnt that forbidden also? Because a mountain is still an act of creation?

I thought no portraits AT ALL are allowed to be hung?
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- IqRa -
07-23-2009, 01:42 PM
Something that mimicks a thing having a soul - humans, animals, etc. are not allowed...

And Allah knows best
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AlexJ90
07-23-2009, 02:08 PM
ok got it. Thanks brother.
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MuslimWays
07-23-2009, 02:32 PM
Masha'Allah excellent question and great answer.

May Allah enable us to carry on asking sincere questions and answering with authentic sources. Ameen
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- IqRa -
07-23-2009, 02:39 PM
Ameen
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Banu_Hashim
07-23-2009, 02:44 PM
Just put the photographs of people in the bathroom, angels don't go there :p
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- IqRa -
07-23-2009, 03:09 PM
^ I hope that was a joke...
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farside
07-25-2009, 12:59 AM
Many Americans Indians refused to have their photographs taken. They believed that the camera could capture your soul. They had a taboo against it.

In this day and age, we consider such beliefs as mere superstitions.

For some background readings,

http://www.friendslittlebighorn.com/...orse-photo.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=1Vv...esult&resnum=8
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AlexJ90
07-25-2009, 04:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by T.I.A
He meant portraits of living things - e.g. humans, animals, etc. with portraits of non-living things, e.g. nature, mountains, flowers, etc.
Brother i have another question. Please answer.
If the act of creating something a living soul, such as a portrait etc is forbidden, then isnt playing computer games? and creating characters on the xbox? For example, if i were to play a football game and create my own character, wouldnt that be related to the same rule as creating portraits.

Also could you give me any verses from the quran that support the arguement of imitating Allah's creation.

Please

Thanks
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AlexJ90
07-25-2009, 04:32 PM
Also isit just Sunni hadiths that believe in this forbidden act? Isit also in the shia hadiths?

Please answer bro
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- IqRa -
07-27-2009, 10:50 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by AlexIslam
Brother i have another question. Please answer.
If the act of creating something a living soul, such as a portrait etc is forbidden, then isnt playing computer games? and creating characters on the xbox? For example, if i were to play a football game and create my own character, wouldnt that be related to the same rule as creating portraits.

Also could you give me any verses from the quran that support the arguement of imitating Allah's creation.

Please

Thanks
From my knowledge that I have from reading fatwas, the imagery/portrait is referred to something printed, on paper, not referred to digital images on screen. The majority of the scholars agree on this.

Allaahu Aalim

format_quote Originally Posted by AlexIslam
Also isit just Sunni hadiths that believe in this forbidden act? Isit also in the shia hadiths?

Please answer bro
Drawing Pictures & Producing Animated Cartoon
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thetruth2009
07-28-2009, 09:44 PM
Assalam Aleykoum,


Thank you sisters and brothers for your reply.

If I have my son and daughter, with books from school or a bord with big pictures to teach them new words, because children to memorize they need pictures in their mind is it forbideen.

About angels, we have two angels during all our life is it true ???

If I have photograph and pictures in my house, angels will not enter ??? I can do bad things the two angel they can not see me because they are outside the house is that ???

If I study to be doctor and I have many pictures and photographs at home is it althoug forbiden ??



Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers.
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- IqRa -
07-29-2009, 08:08 AM
:salamext:

First of all I am not a scholar so my answers should be relied on 100%. However, I will try my best to answer them with the knowledge that I have.

About angels, we have two angels during all our life is it true ???
The Kiraaman Katibeen, The angels that write our good and bad deeds down.

If I have photograph and pictures in my house, angels will not enter ???
No.

I can do bad things the two angel they can not see me because they are outside the house is that ???
No…those two angels are always with you wherever you go (apart from the bathroom I think, not sure on this). The angels that the don’t enter the house, I think, are the angels of Mercy.

If I study to be doctor and I have many pictures and photographs at home is it althoug forbiden ??
Why will you being a doctor take you out of the ruling for everyone else?

Wallaahu Aalim
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HinduIconoclast
07-30-2009, 03:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by AlexIslam
Also isit just Sunni hadiths that believe in this forbidden act? Isit also in the shia hadiths?

Please answer bro
Shi'a hadiths do not forbid this to my knowledge. In fact, Shi'a religious art includes numerous portraits of Ibn Abbas, Imam Ali, Imam Hussain, and even the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) among others.
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Salahudeen
07-30-2009, 05:17 PM
When it says the angels will not enter your house I think it means the angels of mercy not the angels who record your deeds.

And they say if angels aren't entering your house jinn will like it and more likely enter it. but not sure how authentic that is.

Also there's an hadith where it says that on the day of judgement Allah will ask all the people who drew the creation to blow life into what they had created.
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Omar Abdi
07-30-2009, 05:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by MuslimWays
Masha'Allah excellent question and great answer.

May Allah enable us to carry on asking sincere questions and answering with authentic sources. Ameen
Ameen Ya Allah
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