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Zafran
08-11-2009, 02:48 PM
salaam

How many muslims do you know in real life?? and what do you think of them??
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Raaina
08-11-2009, 03:04 PM
I know a few, but they aren't all strict muslim's. But, they are very patient, with all my questions :)
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Zafran
08-11-2009, 03:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by mystical_moon
I know a few, but they aren't all strict muslim's. But, they are very patient, with all my questions :)
right but what do you think of them as people - are they annoying, respectful, well mannered??
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czgibson
08-11-2009, 03:58 PM
Greetings,

Most of the Muslims I have met have been students of mine, from Saudi, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, the UAE, Morocco and many other places that I've not remembered. I suppose there have been around a hundred over the years. It goes without saying that they are all male. I've never had a conversation with a Muslim female in person.

I have also had several good friends who are Muslims, one of whom I shared a flat with for two years.

The guy I shared a flat with is now a doctor and he's probably the most intelligent person I've ever met. He is very warm, humane and impossible not to like.

The majority of the students I have taught have been easy enough to get along with, but sadly many of them have tended to be lazy and immature when compared with other students of the same age. There are exceptions, of course, but that is the general picture from my experience.

Peace
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Santoku
08-11-2009, 05:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran
salaam

How many muslims do you know in real life?? and what do you think of them??
One family I am very close to (the wife calls me her brother and I am a sort of sounding board advisor to her kids) has a mix.

The mother is the best of people. She holds down 4 jobs (yes FOUR) in the morning she is out at 7 to work as an escort (no not that sort) for the council. She leaves that job at 10:30 and goes to the second where she is a cleaner, then she is a dinner lady then she has a whole half hour to eat until she is bak taking the disabled kids home. She leaves that job at 17:30 when she does the shopping on the way to job 4 as an office cleaner.

Contrast that with her idle sod of a husband who never does a job himself if he can get someone else to do it, and who recently cut the hours on his job from 37 hours per week to 20 hours per week so he can get tax credits.....

She has 4 kids 3 of who have university degrees and are doing well (although she wishes the daughter would get married) the 4th is a druggie who lives at home and has had over 40 jobs since he left school (at least those are the jobs he has used me as a referee for).

They are people, some good, some duds.
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Zafran
08-11-2009, 11:01 PM
bump
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Cern
08-11-2009, 11:26 PM
I voted No but I look forward to having the opportunity.
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Blackpool
08-11-2009, 11:44 PM
I know plenty of muslims. They all live in Preston but there are no muslims in the town I live whatsoever. In fact, not even any blacks.
I know different types of muslims. I know a "muslim" girl that keeps sleeping with guys from my workplace. There is another "muslim" guy that goes drinking every weekend, flirts with girls continuously and invites me to play football. He tells me he visits the mosque frequently. There is another "muslim" who seems to be quite strict. A virgin, very lazy but can take alot of stick from people.

The guy I get on with most is the one that arranges the football matches. In my opinion, he's no muslim. Everything he does is haram but he integrates which I find very pleasing. I've played football with and against other muslims.
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Clover
08-12-2009, 04:48 AM
Where I live, it's around like 85% Christian, 10% Atheist/Agnostic, 5% other. I am part of the 5%, we are a special club lol.
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GuestFellow
08-12-2009, 07:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Clover
Where I live, it's around like 85% Christian, 10% Atheist/Agnostic, 5% other. I am part of the 5%, we are a special club lol.
What do you think of the Christians?
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Clover
08-12-2009, 09:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow
What do you think of the Christians?
I don't generalize, if you want I can give examples of individual ones?
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GuestFellow
08-12-2009, 10:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Clover
I don't generalize, if you want I can give examples of individual ones?
Yeah sure.
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Zafran
08-12-2009, 10:30 PM
salaam

come on there are more non muslims then that on this forum.

Thanks for the others for replying - May Allah guide you.

peace
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Clover
08-13-2009, 12:12 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow
Yeah sure.
Well, here:

1. Their are some Christians here who look at it like this "Jesus is Right, everyone else is wrong, no matter what"

2. Their are some Christians here who look at it, "I believen Jesus, but I do not believe I have to be perfect for him to go to Heaven, just a good person."

3. Their are some Christians here who look at it, "Jesus is the only way, and all others should be ****ed."

4. Then their are a few Christians here who look at it, "We all try to find truth, I found mine."
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Gator
08-13-2009, 03:17 PM
Voted yes, but not close friends. From school or work. They were nice and never had anyone outside normal ranges of behavior from anyone else.
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crayon
08-13-2009, 04:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
It goes without saying that they are all male. I've never had a conversation with a Muslim female in person.
Hey,

Is that because you teach at an all boys school?.. And never spoken to a muslim woman, ever, really? Wow, interesting.
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Foxhole
08-13-2009, 09:25 PM
Yes, a dear friend. A Bengali woman - a ray of pure sunshine. She moved away to marry. I miss her.
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Azy
08-14-2009, 08:43 AM
Are we including those who call themselves Muslims but act otherwise?
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czgibson
08-14-2009, 06:46 PM
Greetings,
format_quote Originally Posted by crayon
Hey,

Is that because you teach at an all boys school?.. And never spoken to a muslim woman, ever, really? Wow, interesting.
What I meant was I've never had a conversation wih a Muslim woman. I've said hello and made smalltalk in the supermarket, for instance, but I don't think that counts.

All the schools I have taught at have been mixed sex; what tends to happen is that Muslim females get put into classes with female teachers. Outside of classes they tend to avoid males completely. I guess that means they're obeying their religion. (?)

Peace
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crayon
08-14-2009, 06:58 PM
What I meant was I've never had a conversation wih a Muslim woman. I've said hello and made smalltalk in the supermarket, for instance, but I don't think that counts.
Ah okay, that is understandable. I thought you meant you had never spoken to one at all.

All the schools I have taught at have been mixed sex; what tends to happen is that Muslim females get put into classes with female teachers. Outside of classes they tend to avoid males completely. I guess that means they're obeying their religion. (?)
Is that something they request personally, or just some sort of recurring coincidence?
And avoiding males completely is quite impossible, and not what Islam teaches- it teaches interacting on a purely professional and necessary basis, treating the opposite gender with politeness and respect during interaction. To completely shut yourself away from any male/female is unfeasible.

Sorry for taking the thread a bit off topic, I was just curious.

format_quote Originally Posted by Azy
Are we including those who call themselves Muslims but act otherwise?
I guess we are- it's not our place to judge others; unless they have outright denounced Islam, than they are muslim, whatever sins they commit (in general)
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Zafran
08-14-2009, 07:20 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Azy
Are we including those who call themselves Muslims but act otherwise?
????

The benchmark for being Muslim is the declaration of faith - it is not up to us to judge who is a hypocrite and not internally.
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czgibson
08-14-2009, 08:01 PM
Greetings,
format_quote Originally Posted by crayon
Is that something they request personally, or just some sort of recurring coincidence?
A bit of both, I think. One school I worked at, teaching adults, received a lot of Saudi female students, and they wouldn't turn up to classes if a male was teaching. They would also be totally covered except for eyeslits when outside the classroom.

In other cases, some schools in Britain have a policy whereby female Muslim students are asked if they have a preference on the gender of the teacher. I'm not privy to those meetings, but in my places of work the results have always been as I have described: any Muslim females end up getting taught by female teachers. I know this certainly isn't the case in all schools in Britain - other schools I've visited are not always able to provide this, particularly when a large number of students are Muslim. There are only so many female teachers to go round.

And avoiding males completely is quite impossible, and not what Islam teaches- it teaches interacting on a purely professional and necessary basis, treating the opposite gender with politeness and respect during interaction. To completely shut yourself away from any male/female is unfeasible.
Yes, I would have thought so. It's diffifcult to get a sense of where the boundaries are with Islam, when different people practise it in different ways.

I have found it interesting to hear what Muslim women have to say on the forum, and I presume it would be interesting to talk with Muslim women in real life, it just hasn't occurred in my experience.

Peace
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Azy
08-14-2009, 10:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by crayon
I guess we are- it's not our place to judge others; unless they have outright denounced Islam, than they are muslim, whatever sins they commit (in general)
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran
The benchmark for being Muslim is the declaration of faith - it is not up to us to judge who is a hypocrite and not internally.
Then I know many but on the whole I can't say I'm fond of them. If I was to generalise about the Muslims I have met I would say they were devious, materialistic and xenophobic.
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Zafran
08-15-2009, 12:09 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Azy
Then I know many but on the whole I can't say I'm fond of them. If I was to generalise about the Muslims I have met I would say they were devious, materialistic and xenophobic.
are these muslims in europe, The US or any other place??
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Zafran
08-15-2009, 12:13 AM
In other cases, some schools in Britain have a policy whereby female Muslim students are asked if they have a preference on the gender of the teacher. I'm not privy to those meetings, but in my places of work the results have always been as I have described: any Muslim females end up getting taught by female teachers. I know this certainly isn't the case in all schools in Britain - other schools I've visited are not always able to provide this, particularly when a large number of students are Muslim. There are only so many female teachers to go round.
wow never heard of such thing even taking place in the UK - is this mainly in the south of the UK.
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Azy
08-15-2009, 12:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran
are these muslims in europe, The US or any other place??
In the UK, mostly 2nd generation Pakistani, but some Gujarati, Arab, Ugandans and Iranians
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justahumane
08-16-2009, 01:28 PM
I know a lot of muslims, have family relations with lot of them. They are nice ppls without doubt.
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Zafran
08-16-2009, 05:37 PM
salaam

OK 10 people have voted that they are close to muslims - intresting - keep it comming. It would be great if you could just post what you think of them. Manners etc.

peace
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Clover
08-16-2009, 06:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran
salaam

OK 10 people have voted that they are close to muslims - intresting - keep it comming. It would be great if you could just post what you think of them. Manners etc.

peace
Are you wanting us to do that, even if its internet?
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Zafran
08-16-2009, 07:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Clover
Are you wanting us to do that, even if its internet?
what do you mean

You dont have to give names out or where these muslims are - just your experience of muslims in reality.
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Clover
08-16-2009, 07:17 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran
what do you mean

You dont have to give names out or where these muslims are - just your experience of muslims in reality.
I mean, I never get to talk to Muslims in life, because none live here. So, do you want me to say what I think about Muslims in general through the internet?
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Zafran
08-16-2009, 10:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Clover
I mean, I never get to talk to Muslims in life, because none live here. So, do you want me to say what I think about Muslims in general through the internet?
No I was talking about the people the met muslims in real life - but if you want to talk about muslims on the internet you can.
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Clover
08-16-2009, 10:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran
No I was talking about the people the met muslims in real life - but if you want to talk about muslims on the internet you can.
Not really lol. I don't care, they are what they are. That's all
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