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cat eyes
08-15-2009, 05:20 PM
salaam

i recently stoped listening to music a long time ago when i found out it was haram but i recently started a new retail job, its a fashions clothes store where they play music and i find myself singing along to the songs because i do be bored just sitting on stupid reg waiting for customers

then when i come home i listen to the same songs on youtube now im hooked again imsad what can i do? i know Allah hates music
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mahfuja
08-15-2009, 05:40 PM
i have exacccttly the same problem ... i work in a lab [nearly been a year] and there the other staff blast up the music on the radio and obvioulsy you cant just go and switch it off and you cant just block it out ... I found myself going home and youtubing too ... but thats something we have to control because that is in our control ... i finish next week anyway lol but for the past few months i managed to get my priorities straight again alhamdulillah and refrained from utubing music ... instead i began to youtube talks and sermons which compensate for music much better :)
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cat eyes
08-15-2009, 08:55 PM
thanks sis hope i am strong like you to finish this useless things that don't benifit me.. imsad
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thetruth2009
08-15-2009, 09:30 PM
Assalam aleykoum,


I am not saying that the music is allowed, but how can you imagine a world without music ( in car, cell phone, the way to work in train and subway ).

After all what you do its about your intention, you have not to forget Allah SWT and to pray on time.

When I am sad or under pressure I like to put a song to feel better.

I never said the music is allowed , but if you do all what Allah SWt asking you and avoiding forbid things, do the music will send you to hell if you lesson to it ?

Its only a question nothing more, I like to know why things are haram .


I ask Allah SWT to forgive us and to guide us, Ameen.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
08-15-2009, 10:18 PM
:sl:

That's like saying, how can we do in a world without killing/raping/drinking. It's everywhere.
Psychotic freaks will kill/rape or people will drink cause it makes them feel good. We have to focus less on feelings and more on reality.


People drink when they're depressed.

Listen to some Qur'aan, it's far more enjoying for the soul and making one feel better.

:w:
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M..x
08-15-2009, 10:21 PM
^ Hmmm, Dont put a question mark where Allah puts a full stop =).
do the music will send you to hell if you lesson to it
Don't underestimate the small deeds bro, Thats not a good way of thinking, that aslong as you fulfill tha major things by staying away from tha major sins that will be enough to get into Jannah, Allah knows how meny evils/wrongs we commit in a day, & maybe tha one deed of not listening to msuic will be tha one to secure your place in Jannah =)
I feel after living God knows how many years listening to music, it has this disgusting evil affect on your brain. wAllahi I am not even lying, Gosh I was known as tha 'headphone' gurl, & Alhamdilullah after watching tha Arrival series I stopped & delted tha 2000+ tracks I had... Its just offkey tha affect it has on you, like by listening to a track which has pathetic empty and useless words in it, it just sticks buh after listening to tha Quran it just doesnt. I feel personally music takes me away from tha deen, not listening to it helps me also refrian from wasting my time listenint to meaningless words ad indulging in idle talk ABOUH it.. I also found that alot of these tunes nowdays have undrcover hidden meanings, and knowing that just scares tha crap ou of me, I guess having listenied to so much of it, you should already know why its haraam... Does it help you bring yourself closer to Allah? I dont think it does...
You should listen to Nasheeds & Quran instead InshAllah

&& Allah knows best =)
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
08-15-2009, 10:24 PM
Originally Posted by x MuslimGyal x
^ Hmmm, Dont put a question mark where Allah puts a full stop =).

Don't underestimate the small deeds bro, Thats not a good way of thinking, that aslong as you fulfill tha major things by staying away from tha major sins that will be enough to get into Jannah, Allah knows how meny evils/wrongs we commit in a day, & maybe tha one deed of not listening to msuic will be tha one to secure your place in Jannah =)
I feel after living God knows how many years listening to music, it has this disgusting evil affect on your brain. wAllahi I am not even lying, Gosh I was known as tha 'headphone' gurl, & Alhamdilullah after watching tha Arrival series I stopped & delted tha 2000+ tracks I had... Its just offkey tha affect it has on you, like by listening to a track which has pathetic empty and useless words in it, it just sticks buh after listening to tha Quran it just doesnt. I feel personally music takes me away from tha deen, it helps me refrian from wasting my time listenint to meaningless words.. I also found that alot of these tunes nowdays have undrcover hidden meanings, and knowing that just scares tha crap ou of me, I guess having listenied to so much of it, you should already know why its haraam... Does it help you bring yourself closer to Allah? I dont think it does...
You should listen to Nasheeds & Quran instead InshAllah

&& Allah knows best =)
:sl:

I feel you sis. It hasn't done any good for me either. Rather it puts u in a frame of mind you should never be in. Especially that majority of songs are about lurvveeee...and that stuff takes you to la la land lol.

But then again...Allah knows best =]
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Cabdullahi
08-16-2009, 07:40 AM
music is a powerful tool that effects the mind subconsciously or consciously you might listen to a song about guns and belittling women( rap) ,alongside the catchy tune it is more than enough to influence you in some way or another

subliminal lyrics + music + dirty video song = enough to destroy a nation
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alcurad
08-16-2009, 08:41 AM
many arguments follow this unfortunately: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man best to avoid it for the sake of sound argument. music itself does not equal rape & murder, that's quite obvious I thought,,

secondly, some scholars allow it given there is no strong evidence against it. in the end it's up to you.


ISSUE OF SINGING AND MUSIC IN ISLAM

Music is something unique to every culture and group of people. It defines their experiences and can provide a powerful means of bring people to Islam as seen through the works of Yusuf Islam, Dawood Warnsby Ali, MYNA tapes, Sons of the Crescent and others (all have used musical instruments and sounds in one way or the other). Allah says: "Say: who has prohibited Allah's beautiful things which He created for His servants and good provisions?" Music can be a powerful tool if used correctly. There is no doubt that music and songs about haram activities is not allowed in Islam. But before we make a judgment on singing and instruments for Islamic purposes one must look at the arguments for and against the use of Instruments.
Argument #1:

The only scholar that ever said music was permissible is Sheikh Yusuf Qardawi:
Response

There were many scholars in the past that said that music was permissible:

Shawkawni, Ibn Hazm, Ghazalli, Abú Bakr al-'Arabi, Qaradawi, and others.
Argument #2:

Volume 7, Book 69, Number 494v:

Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."
Response

There is a general rule in Shariah that states that everything is lawful unless proven unlawful. There is not substantial proof in this hadîths because of the following reasons:

Sheikh Muhammad Al-Hanuti stated: "The Hadith referred to in saying that it is haram as narrated by al Bukhari is not fulfilling the requirements of the Sahih in al Bukhari's collection. 1) Al Bukhari in Hadith al Ma'azif himself narrated the Hadith to be of a broken chain of narrators in which there is a gap between al Bukhari and the second narrator, so he drops the first narrator in his chain. That is called Mu'allaq. Some scholars tried to connect the chain through other means like whan ibn Hajar did in his dissertation (connecting what is disconnected) in which he connected the Isnad of this Hadith. But still, one of the main narrators whose name is Hisham ibn Ammar as profiled in Tahthib at-Tahthib by ibn Hajar is not reliable enough for some scholars to be a source of a narration that depends on somebody like him. 2) Even when we said the Hadith is Sahih, there are questions that would emerge when we study the version of the Hadith when it says, "People will make adultery, pure silk, liquor and Ma'azif into Halal." We know that adultery is Haram by another proof and it is a unanimous Hukum. Pure silk is not of consensus Hukum. If a Muslim says Zina is Halal deliberately, then they are considered a kafir. However, if a Muslim says pure silk is not Haram, he is not a kafir. We know that liquor is Haram as it is in the Qur'an, but where do we find an authentic hadith or Qur'an to tell us that Ma'azif are Haram other than this source. The last point is to get the clear meaning of Ma'azif in arabic dictionaries because there are more than one meaning for Ma'azif. It is acceptable for a Muslim to hear somebody says Makruh but not Haram because Haram is in need of clear-cut meaning and certain narration."
Argument #3: Some Muslims state the following about this hadith:

"The Prophet compared musical instruments to things that are definitely known to be haraam, namely zina and alcohol. If instruments were not haraam, he would not have made this comparison. The evidence of this hadeeth that singing is haram is definitive. Even if no other hadeeth or aayah spoke about musical instruments, this hadeeth would be sufficient to prove that they are haraam, especially the kind of singing and music that is known among people nowadays, the essence of which is obscenity and foul talk, based on all kinds of musical instruments such as guitars, drums, flutes, ouds, zithers, organs, pianos, violins and other things that make it more enticing, such as the voices of these effeminate singers and *****s." (Article found on the internet).
Response to this argument:

However, these same people state that singing and the use of daff during weddings is ok because of the following hadîth in Bukhari

Volume 7, Book 69, Number 494v:

The Two Festivals (Eids) - Narrated Aisha: Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Apostle !" It happened on the 'Id day and Allah's Apostle said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an 'Id for every nation and this is our 'Id."

There is no forbidden action that is permitted merely for pleasure and enjoyment only at certain times. The hadîth that is quoted above mentions things that are definitely known to be haraam, namely zina and alcohol. Even silk which the Prophet wore himself for a short period before violently taking it off (see hadîths Volume 1, Book 8, Number 372) the prophet did not allow it on the Eids:

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 289: Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad) - Narrated Ibn 'Umar - 'Umar saw a silken cloak being sold in the market and he brought it toAllah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Buy this cloak and adorn yourself with it on the 'Id festivals and on meeting the delegations." Allah's Apostle replied, "This is the dress for the one who will have no share in the Hereafter (or, this is worn by one who will have no share in the Hereafter)."

From this argument we should understand the hadîth meaning that being involved in wearing silk, fornication, wine drinking and musical instruments is haram. We can see that there are many Muslims today who are involved in all four of these aspects at once.

Imam Ghazali said in Ihya Ulum Al-Din--The Revival Of The Religious Sciences: "The musical instruments and songs which are typically associated with drunkards are prohibited as they remind of prohibited things and promote the prohibited, such as the consumption of wine and other intoxicants. These prohibited instruments include the Majamir, the Autar and the Kubah, but not the Daf, the flute and other musical instruments."
Argument #4:

All of the schools of thought including Maliki, Shafii, Hanbali and Hanafi say that music is Haram
Response:

Sheikh Muhammad Al-Hanuti stated:

"The majority of schools say music is haram, but there are some other reliable schools that say it is halal."

We must look at the evidence provided by all scholars and then take into consideration what the music is being used for. In this age, the music industry is powerful and it leads astray many youth who are addicted to this music. As Muslims we must provide Islamic alternatives for them in order to guide them back to Islam.
Argument #5:

All other Ahadeeh recorded refer to musical instruments negatively.
Response:

In Bukhari, another hadith relates a connection between musical instruments and the family of David (saw). This is evidence that, indeed, the Psalms were musical in nature:

Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 568:
"Narrated Abu Musa that the Prophet said to him' "O Abu Musa! You have been given one of the musical wind-instruments of the family of David.'"

The following hadith relates of how the adhan (call to prayer) came to be, and how the Prophet's companions suggested the use of musical instruments such as the horn or bell like the People of the Book. Now although the Prophet ultimately approved the use of the human voice, there is no mention that the Prophet chastised his companions for suggesting musical instruments for the adhan. And if the Prophet was so very much against musical instruments, then why would his companions dare to suggest the use of such sinful things in the call to prayer?

From Muslim Book 004, Number 0735:
Ibn Umar reported: When the Muslims came to Medina, they gathered and sought to know the time of prayer but no one summoned them. One day they discussed the matter, and some of them said: Use something like the bell of the Christians and some of them said: Use horn like that of the Jews. Umar said: Why may not a be appointed who should call (people) to prayer? The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: O Bilal, get up and summon (the people) to prayer.
Conclusion:

As Muslims we must understand the environment that our youth live in. Our duty is to bring Islam to them and instill the love of Allah in their hearts. We must combat the negative forces in the society with positive alternatives rather than harsh rules that are not agreed upon by all scholars. Music and singing has been used successfully for over a decade in this country as a means to bring the youth to have stronger faith in their religion. We should encourage this development to the best of our abilities.
http://www.mynaraps.com/music.htm
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abu_musab461
08-16-2009, 11:16 AM
If the job encourages you to haram then leave the job.

The messenger of Allah said "Whoever leaves something for the sake of Allah (swt), He will replace it with something better than that"

Rather occupy your self with Quran and the weakest form of eman is to hate music in your heart.

If you dont hate music in your heart then you will find your heart being inclined and influenced by it.

Also i advise my self and all of us to have taqwa of Allah- be God-Conscious.
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M..x
08-16-2009, 03:18 PM
Originally Posted by Abdullahii
music is a powerful tool that effects the mind subconsciously or consciously you might listen to a song about guns and belittling women( rap) ,alongside the catchy tune it is more than enough to influence you in some way or another

subliminal lyrics + music + dirty video song = enough to destroy a nation
So badly agreed with this...
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
08-16-2009, 04:12 PM
Music takes you to la la land, plain and simple. I haven't seen any benefit for it other than putting u in a state of mind that u shouldn't be in...and that's just my thought on it, not a fatwa or anything.


music itself does not equal rape & murder, that's quite obvious I thought,,
I don't think anyone said that.
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