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glo
08-20-2009, 01:35 PM
I have seen different dates on different sites.

Please complete the poll to indicate when YOU are starting Ramadan (Obviously you may not be able to answer that until the actual sighting of the moon)

Can you also tell me, which ruling you follow to start on that day? (I.e. according to your masjid, or your family etc)

Thank you, and a beneficial and blessed month of Ramadan to you all! :statisfie
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glo
08-20-2009, 01:52 PM
Thanks for approving the thread, Alpha. :)
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- IqRa -
08-20-2009, 02:02 PM
I think we will find out this evening glo!
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glo
08-20-2009, 02:03 PM
Don't forget to vote, when you know the date!
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Cabdullahi
08-20-2009, 02:25 PM
i will start according to makkah....

will you be fasting with us aunty glo?
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ardianto
08-20-2009, 02:36 PM
I am the first voter. :D

Indonesian Ministry of Religion has released an official statement. Ramadan 1430H starting on 22 August 2009.

After few years, this is the first time Indonesian Muslim organization, Muhammadiyah, starting Ramadan at the same day. In other years they always start and finish ramadan earlier. One day before other Muslim organizations start and finish ramadan.
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north_malaysian
08-20-2009, 02:52 PM
officially Malaysians will be fasting this Saturday... 22nd August...

eh.. wait..yes we will be fasting on 22nd, but ramadan start on the night of 21st right?
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ardianto
08-20-2009, 03:12 PM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
officially Malaysians will be fasting this Saturday... 22nd August...

eh.. wait..yes we will be fasting on 22nd, but ramadan start on the night of 21st right?
21st August is the first evening of shalaath taraweeh. For Suni only, of course. In Shiaism taraweeh is bid'ah.
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bamboozled
08-20-2009, 03:24 PM
Originally Posted by Abdullahii
will you be fasting with us aunty glo?
x2

Peace.
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north_malaysian
08-20-2009, 03:26 PM
Got these from Islamonline

Those who will start fasting on 21st August (Friday)
Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Kosova, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Albania, Sudan, Tunisia, Algeria, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Somalia, Djibouti, Spain, Czech, Hungary, Greece, the Netherlands, Brazil, Libya, Serbia, Montenegro, Ukraine

Those who will start fasting on 22nd August (Saturday)
Malaysia, Indonesia, South Korea, Brunei Darussalam, USA, Philippines, UAE, Iran, Pakistan, Oman, Morocco and Mauritania

Those who will start fasting on 23rd August (Sunday)
Bangladesh
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Far7an
08-20-2009, 05:16 PM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
Got these from Islamonline

Those who will start fasting on 21st August (Friday)
Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Kosova, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Albania, Sudan, Tunisia, Algeria, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Somalia, Djibouti, Spain, Czech, Hungary, Greece, the Netherlands, Brazil, Libya, Serbia, Montenegro, Ukraine

Those who will start fasting on 22nd August (Saturday)
Malaysia, Indonesia, South Korea, Brunei Darussalam, USA, Philippines, UAE, Iran, Pakistan, Oman, Morocco and Mauritania

Those who will start fasting on 23rd August (Sunday)
Bangladesh
Are you sure? According to this site, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia will start fasting on Saturday insha'Allah.
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AabiruSabeel
08-20-2009, 05:18 PM
:sl:

^yes, there's no announcement yet for Taraweeh today at Makkah.
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Ramisa
08-20-2009, 05:32 PM
:sl:

We will keep an eye out for the moon tonight,inshallah',if we see the moon Ramadhan will be Friday and taraweeh today. If not than Ramadhan will be Saturday and Taraweeh inshallah will be Friday. I cannot predict yet,as the moon is yet to come. Today will bring much scrambling around the house if Ramadhan is tommorow. But the Believer should be prepared because Allah can send a hardship anytime.

I will vote on the poll inshallah,tonight.

:w:
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A.M.H.
08-20-2009, 06:05 PM
:sl:

there's no announcement yet for Taraweeh today at Makkah. and Isha prayer is over it means Ramadan will start on 22nd saturday

:w:
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A.M.H.
08-20-2009, 06:07 PM
RamadanKareem 1 -
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Na7lah
08-20-2009, 06:27 PM
It'll be announced tonight for us inshallah :) I'm hoping ramadan will be on saturday though
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'Abd al-Baari
08-20-2009, 06:30 PM
:sl:

Official Decision and Announcement of the High Judiciary Council of Saudi Arabia...

Just a short time ago, Fatwa-Online was informed of the official decision and announcement of the High Judiciary Council (HJC) of Saudi Arabia that since the moon of Ramadhaan was not sighted this evening, here in Saudi Arabia, we shall be completing thirty (30) days of Sha'baan (1430 A.H.), in accordance with the hadeeth of the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam):

((Fast when you see the crescent. If it is obscured to you, then complete thirty days of Sha'baan. And break your fast when you see the crescent. If it is obscured to you then fast thirty days)), [transmitted by al-Bukhaaree and Muslim].

Subsequently, we shall be starting our taraaweeh prayers tomorrow evening (Friday 21 August 2009) after the 'Ishaa. prayer, in preparation for the first fast of Ramadhaan on Saturday 22 August 2009, inshaa.-Allaah.
http://fatwa-online.com/news/0090820_1.htm
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thetruth2009
08-20-2009, 06:38 PM
Assalam Aleykoum sisters and brothers,


The ramadan 2009 in France will start Saturday 22 August 2009.

Ramadan Moubarak, to all of you sisters and brothers, I ask allah SWT to accept our Ramadan and to forgive us all, you and all your family, Ameen.


Ramadn Moubarak to all muslims around the world, Ameen.


Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers.
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HumbleServant
08-20-2009, 06:59 PM
England - Saturday! I think there wont be much of a split this year insha Allah.. as some UK muslims follow saudi some follow morocco.. and since saudi and morocco are both starting ramadhan on saturday - ALHAMDULILLAH!!

No family divisions!! Mashallah!!
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aadil77
08-20-2009, 07:08 PM
Originally Posted by HumbleServant
England - Saturday! I think there wont be much of a split this year insha Allah.. as some UK muslims follow saudi some follow morocco.. and since saudi and morocco are both starting ramadhan on saturday - ALHAMDULILLAH!!

No family divisions!! Mashallah!!
lets hope so, I wouldn't mind tarawehs starting today though
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Emperor000
08-20-2009, 07:28 PM
All egyptians
im pretty sure ramadan is 22nd in egypt
yes...i can't wait man in egypt ramadan is so cool
fast then feast then taraweeh xd
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Al-Zaara
08-20-2009, 07:28 PM
It is tomorrow for our household, inshaAllah, the 21th of August. We follow Turkey, like usual. ;)

Ramazan mübarek to all of you!
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Bub
08-20-2009, 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by HumbleServant
England - Saturday! I think there wont be much of a split this year insha Allah.. as some UK muslims follow saudi some follow morocco.. and since saudi and morocco are both starting ramadhan on saturday - ALHAMDULILLAH!!

No family divisions!! Mashallah!!
one of my friends text me fasting shall starts tomorrow in england? im confused
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Bub
08-20-2009, 07:40 PM
Originally Posted by thetruth2009
Assalam Aleykoum sisters and brothers,


The ramadan 2009 in France will start Saturday 22 August 2009.

Ramadan Moubarak, to all of you sisters and brothers, I ask allah SWT to accept our Ramadan and to forgive us all, you and all your family, Ameen.


Ramadn Moubarak to all muslims around the world, Ameen.


Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers.
Ameeen!! The same to you! I made du'a for islamic board bec it helps me with so much knowledge in islamic :statisfie
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nebula
08-20-2009, 07:57 PM
we should be fasting according to what country we are in, for e.g. me and other people in england should be fasting when the moon is sighted in England inshallah,

heres a fatwa by sheikh bin baz rahimahullah


http://islamfundamentals.wordpress.c...-the-new-moon/


Should he fast with his own country or with any country that sights the new moon


but i guess theres ikhtilaf within the ulema
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Bub
08-20-2009, 08:02 PM
Originally Posted by nebula
we should be fasting according to what country we are in, for e.g. me and other people in england should be fasting when the moon is sighted in England inshallah,

heres a fatwa by sheikh bin baz rahimahullah


http://islamfundamentals.wordpress.c...-the-new-moon/


Should he fast with his own country or with any country that sights the new moon
Oh okay, i checked on this website, http://www.eastlondonmosque.org.uk/u..._A3-Screen.pdf & brother said fasting starts tomorrow, so i think its official.... im soooo looking forward to it!
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Banu_Hashim
08-20-2009, 08:04 PM
21st August 2009 (in accordance with the decision taken by the European Council for Fatwa and Research)

- Bradley Stoke, Bristol, UK
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*Yasmin*
08-20-2009, 08:05 PM
Palestine will start fasting on 22 august (saturday) in sha' Allah
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Bub
08-20-2009, 08:09 PM
*edit* i went down stair to double check wiv family members, i made a mistake, on Saturday! so we have to wait n see after all, insha'Allah
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IslamicRevival
08-20-2009, 10:50 PM
Tarweeh for us is on Friday and the next morning (Saturday) Is Ramadhan. Ive noticed the mosques down our area are doing Ramadhan on the same day, Which is rare these days!

Allah Hu Akbar. Ramadhan Mubarak everyone and may Allah SWT forgive us all. Ameen
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Bub
08-20-2009, 11:05 PM
Originally Posted by Troubled Soul
Tarweeh for us is on Friday and the next morning (Saturday) Is Ramadhan. Ive noticed the mosques down our area are doing Ramadhan on the same day, Which is rare these days!

Allah Hu Akbar. Ramadhan Mubarak everyone and may Allah SWT forgive us all. Ameen
Ameen, guide us to straight the path inshaAllah
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Grofica
08-20-2009, 11:47 PM
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happynur
08-21-2009, 12:34 AM
i am moved that all my sister and brother welcoming this great ramadan in such a spirit and enthusiasm... :)

let's make ramadan this year better than previous one... :)
let's unite as muslims...
cause we are brother and sister in Islam :)

Allahu Akbar... :)
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Ramisa
08-21-2009, 02:42 AM
:sl:

Ramadhan in Toronto here will begin inshallah on Saturday,since no moon was sighted tonight. Taraweeh inshallah will begin on Friday.

(early)Ramadham Kareem to all members:)

:w:
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north_malaysian
08-21-2009, 03:13 AM
From Islamonline.net

21st August
Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Europe (European Council for Fatwa and Research), Germany, Iraq (Shia Muslims), Italy (The Union of Islamic Communities in Italy), Kosova, Lebanon (Shia Muslims), Libya, Macedonia, Montenegro, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovenia, Turkey

22nd August
Bahrain, Belgium, China, Egypt, France, Ghana, Iraq (Sunni Muslims), Italy (Islamic Cultural Centre - Rome), Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon (Sunni Muslims), Malaysia, Indonesia, Nigeria, Palestine, Philippines, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, Sudan, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Taiwan, UAE, UK (London Central Mosque, East London Mosque), USA, Yemen
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Midnight Prayer
08-21-2009, 03:21 AM
Our local masjid here as declared ramadan to begin on the 22nd, inshallah

may Allah make this ramadan the best one! ameen
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i_m_tipu
08-21-2009, 04:37 AM
:sl:

I found it more authentic and logical to follow with those who start fast / brake fast with a concept of
"same day for whole ummah. One wintness(Momen) of any part of the world is enough for to start and brake fast."

Islam is a example of being one (our heart is one, idology is one etc) and This is a example of being one.

Now Alhamdulillah the percentage of these people is growing..
Last "Eid ul Azha" I saw many village/ part of Bangladesh as well as one part of Ahl sunnah in Bangladesh eccept this and also publiashed a book.
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Ummu Sufyaan
08-21-2009, 04:40 AM
:sl:
Saturday 22, inshallah...
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glo
08-21-2009, 07:31 AM
Originally Posted by i_m_tipu
:sl:

I found it more authentic and logical to follow with those who start fast / brake fast with a concept of
"same day for whole ummah. One wintness(Momen) of any part of the world is enough for to start and brake fast."

Islam is a example of being one (our heart is one, idology is one etc) and This is a example of being one.

Now Alhamdulillah the percentage of these people is growing..
Last "Eid ul Azha" I saw many village/ part of Bangladesh as well as one part of Ahl sunnah in Bangladesh eccept this and also publiashed a book.
But doesn't that seem to be the problem?
Who decides that 'same day for the whole Ummah'?

Do people go by the sighting of the first moon in Mekka? Or in their own country?
Do they go by the sighting with the human eye? Or with modern technology? Or by the lunar calendar, regardless of whether the moon has been visible or not?

There seem to be too many different possibilties to determine one rule.
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north_malaysian
08-21-2009, 07:39 AM
Originally Posted by glo
Do people go by the sighting of the first moon in Mekka? Or in their own country?
own country... we in the eastern part of the world cant wait for mecca... by the time they started observing the moon... we already hit the midnite time...

but for hajj day, every Muslims should follow Mecca as the Day of Arafah (9th of Zulhijjah) happens only in Mecca... but my country would still sighting the moon on our own...
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Tilmeez
08-21-2009, 07:46 AM
^ Same goes here in Pakistan.

this could be tomorrow or day after tomorrow. Tonight it will be decided :).
Can't wait...
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north_malaysian
08-21-2009, 07:53 AM
Originally Posted by Tilmeez
^ Same goes here in Pakistan.

this could be tomorrow or day after tomorrow. Tonight it will be decided :).
Can't wait...
I hope the Pakistanis would start fasting together with us in Asia Pacific, the Americas, Africa and Middle East Regions...
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- IqRa -
08-21-2009, 07:59 AM
Saturday 22nd InshaAllaah.
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aadil77
08-21-2009, 08:09 AM
Originally Posted by Troubled Soul
Tarweeh for us is on Friday and the next morning (Saturday) Is Ramadhan. Ive noticed the mosques down our area are doing Ramadhan on the same day, Which is rare these days!

Allah Hu Akbar. Ramadhan Mubarak everyone and may Allah SWT forgive us all. Ameen
It happened here last year as well, everyone started on the same day but for some reason the pakistani mosques finished on a different day

Ramadan Mubarak everyone, today jumuah in the afternoon and taraweh in evening gonna be a wicked atmosphere at the masjid
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north_malaysian
08-21-2009, 08:35 AM
Originally Posted by aadil77
Ramadan Mubarak everyone, today jumuah in the afternoon and taraweh in evening gonna be a wicked atmosphere at the masjid
of course, tomorrow is a non-working day... the mosques will be full with people...
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Muhaba
08-21-2009, 08:48 AM
Tomorrow. Today is 30th of Shaban according to the calendar here.
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Ramadhan
08-21-2009, 09:15 AM
I am going for taraweeh in the masjid in 3 hours!
Alhamdulillah!
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i_m_tipu
08-21-2009, 09:57 AM
Originally Posted by glo
But doesn't that seem to be the problem?
Who decides that 'same day for the whole Ummah'?
--If One Muslim saw it in any part of the world and if it is valid than that will decide the day.

Do people go by the sighting of the first moon in Mekka? Or in their own country?
--the answer was in the post. Any part of the world.

Do they go by the sighting with the human eye? Or with modern technology?
--human eye agreed by all. Some disagree using high modern technology.

Or by the lunar calendar, regardless of whether the moon has been visible or not?
--it should be sighted by someone Believer agreed by all. Some agree any good Trustworthy carecter can be taken as a witness.
There seem to be too many different possibilties to determine one rule.
I was fast today. But I broke it. When i have valid information that the people who fast toady use calculated lunar calendar to start fast. Which violate the Quran/Sunnah .

InsAllah i will fast from 22 aug (Actually max time it match with the Saudis)
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Yusuf Saeed
08-21-2009, 10:16 AM
:sl:

I'm a bit confused about when the fasting starts/started.

I called our mufti here in Estonia yesterday and he said we should be fasting from today.
But I didn't check last night if the crescent was visible.

Does anyone know if I should now break the fast and see if I can sight the moon tonight?
Or it's no harm to continue fasting even when there's a possibility that it may not be the right day?
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All4Allaah08
08-21-2009, 03:48 PM
Assalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

Where I'm at, we are starting first fast tomorrow (Aug.22), I'm excited :statisfie

Ramadan Mubarak.
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rpwelton
08-21-2009, 04:04 PM
Originally Posted by glo
But doesn't that seem to be the problem?
Who decides that 'same day for the whole Ummah'?

Do people go by the sighting of the first moon in Mekka? Or in their own country?
Do they go by the sighting with the human eye? Or with modern technology? Or by the lunar calendar, regardless of whether the moon has been visible or not?

There seem to be too many different possibilties to determine one rule.
True. This is why most scholars advocate unity for a community over unity for the whole ummah. So the more correct opinion according to scholars is to follow what the local Muslims are doing.

BUT, this is always a sore issue for Muslims and we don't want to turn this into a debate thread, because none of us have the requisite knowledge for doing so.

Let's just wish each other Ramadan Mubarak.
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Beardo
08-21-2009, 04:07 PM
Our taraweeh is starting tonight, I think.
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BintAbee
08-21-2009, 04:34 PM
:sl:

Alhamdulillah!!!! the moon has just been sited here in South Africa!!!!! first taraweeh tonight and first fast tomorrow! May Allah accept from us, ameen!!!! :cry:

:w:
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Na7lah
08-21-2009, 05:14 PM
We're fasting tomorrow on Saturday :D Taraweeh is tonight
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Cabdullahi
08-21-2009, 05:47 PM
ramadan kareem!!!!!!!!!!
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Nazia Ansari
08-21-2009, 05:53 PM
I'm in Kenya. The moon has been sighted in some areas here. We're starting on Saturday, 22nd of august. Thats tomorrow. Ramadhan Karim to you all. May Allah (SWT) protect us all and accept our fasts.
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zakirs
08-21-2009, 06:01 PM
taraweeh starts tommorow here .. we searched for the moon and didnt find it so may be its from sunday morning for us (india).. need to check with parents back in hometown
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blackgirl92
08-22-2009, 08:15 PM
I am so happyy :)

Ramadan mubarak to all of you, bro. and sisters.. :)
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zakirs
08-23-2009, 05:46 AM
:sl: today is my first fast of this ramadan. (obivious) happy ramadan brothers and sisters :)
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Misz_Muslimah
08-23-2009, 12:16 PM
Asalamalaikum wa rahmatu laahi wa barakaatu..we started fasting on saturday (yesterday)

May allah make it easy for us
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optimist
08-23-2009, 12:24 PM
Originally Posted by north_malaysian
Got these from Islamonline

Those who will start fasting on 21st August (Friday)
Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Kosova, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Albania, Sudan, Tunisia, Algeria, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Somalia, Djibouti, Spain, Czech, Hungary, Greece, the Netherlands, Brazil, Libya, Serbia, Montenegro, Ukraine

Those who will start fasting on 22nd August (Saturday)
Malaysia, Indonesia, South Korea, Brunei Darussalam, USA, Philippines, UAE, Iran, Pakistan, Oman, Morocco and Mauritania

Those who will start fasting on 23rd August (Sunday)
Bangladesh
Salam,

Why there are so much difference in the days!!!! We are playing with sacred dates. We need a universal Islamic Calander which will solve this problem once for all.

'We are an ignorant people. We do not know how to compute [or calculate]. The month may be with 29 days or sometimes may be with 30 days; and if you do not sight the moon [immediately after the sunset of 29th] you estimate it.' – Hadith, quoted by Bukhari

The Hadith quoted above, points clearly to the fact that at a future point in time, when astrophysics is mastered, the reckoning of the month has to be by computation. The dates of starting of Ramadan, Eid days are always a matter of confusion. The dates are always changed from countries to countries and even within a country. I remember a few years before Eid was celebrated on three days in India and ironically Eid is always two days in India. In the Gulf, Eid in Oman is always one day after the Eid in other gulf countries. In Oman people watch Arafa day live without fasting. And the next day when Eid is celebrated in Saudi the people fast!!! Actually it is prohibited to fast on a Eid day.

I quote from a blog from Oman posted during the last Eid.

Oman: The Ministry of Interior issued an offical circular telling the Wali's to instruct people, under the authority of HM Sultan Qaboos, to perform Eid prayers only on Tuesday 9th December. The Saudi authorities declared Eid on Monday 8th December. Apparently another circular was issued to specific towns telling them to make sure that no one prays on Monday. The memo warns that if people celebrate on the 8th despite this Royal instruction, the police would be forced to 'take legal action'.

The significance of the issue is highlighted when people are arrested simply for praying a day early. There are reports many Omani crossed into the UAE to pray there on the 8th. It seems this date thing was a special issue for many people for this particular Eid, as it is associated with the Haj, and of course Saudi called Eid on the Monday 8th December. The day preceding Eid El Adh'ha is often a day of fasting too, with special prayers for those attending the Haj, so again, the date difference was important to many.
This is what is called total confusion! Only Allah knows which day they are going to celebrate Eid!! A universal Islamic calendar will solve this problem once for all. It will bring unity among Muslims. We give importance to Gregorian dates and we think that lunar dates prescribed by Allah is not dependable in the present world and its dates have to be always kept changing!

Ali Manikfan developed a scientific basis for the Islamic Calendar that could be used by all without ever occuring any need to change the dates. He has proved that to fix the beginning of a lunar Calendar it is not necessary to watch the rising of the moon, which is a source of confusion all over the world. Watching of the moon was necessary during the prophets time because even in the hadith itself it was said; 'We are an ignorant people. We do not know how to compute". The hadith further says the month is sometime 29 and sometimes 30. The observation of the Moon for long periods gives us the average number of days for a year as 354.3671 and 29.53059 days for a month. (29.53059x12=354.3671). Astronomers have proved that the statement of the Prophet (saw) that the lunar months have 29 or 30 days only is correct. But they had no scientific method to fix the dates of differnet months. The dates for starting of Ramadan, Eid, Arafa and all dates could be predicted by calculations by any qualified or experienced astronomer and any layman with some training can check the dates with the phases of the moon. Hence there remains no difficulty in preparing a Universal Lunar Calendar in advance. Ali Manikfan proved that his calculation is scientific and in conformity with the teachings of the Qur’aan. You will get a brief introduction about who is Ali Manikfan at hijracalendar(dot)com/contactus1(dot)htm

Years and years of enslavery have made us believe that it is impossible to have lunar calander prescribed by Allah SWT that could be followed by all the Muslims. We do not have a proper calendar now even though we are the people to convey the message to others. We all must remember that rejecting Taghut and their Systems is the condition of Tawheed.

Wassalam
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TrueStranger
08-23-2009, 07:43 PM
^^^ Bro, I don't think those are accurate, because my Grandma called from Somalia and they were fasting on Saturday.
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- IqRa -
08-24-2009, 01:20 PM
You said you tried to fast last year glo? Will you be trying again this year?
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optimist
08-26-2009, 05:25 AM
out of the members who participated in the poll only 13 members fasted on the correct date, and all others fasted on the wrong date
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