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subhaanAllah, I do not know where to start from
format_quote Originally Posted by
Rasema
Assalamu Alaikum
I agree, but we all learned though.
wa'alaykee as-salam
sister, may Allah preserve you, what do you mean by we are learned? Are we scholars or students of knowledge? We, the people who lack knowledge (laypeople), are obliged to refer to those who have knowledge. Otherwise, we end up hurting Islam more than helping.
format_quote Originally Posted by
touba
Sister the koran is clear and you can beat your wife only if she refuse the husband in the bed part of that is not allowed to beat or hit the wife but if she does zina then it should be stoned .
sister, may Allah preserve you, with all due respect, you are wrong about the only part in addition to your short coming of explaining the matter of bed refusal. I also remember you said something like "you know Arabic; therefore, you know what Islamic ruling is or what the Qur'an is saying". This is a wrong way to go about; as mentioned before, people like us are obliged, by the Qur'an, to refer to those who have knowledge. So insha'Allah we should be more careful
Refusal to bed is not the only reason for hitting her lightly and it (hitting her lightly) is not the first step a husband is told to do. The Qur'an says, interpretation of the meaning [Surah an-Nisa(4):34]:
As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance).
Off course, by ill-conduct it means anything un-Islamic. Yes, it is true that refusal of her husband's call to bed (without any legitimate shari excuse, i.e., sick) is one of the ill-conducts but not the only one. The other one could be that she does not protect his property when he is gone. Also, it is the last thing to do. In case of zina, she would be stoned only if there is a shari court and her crime becomes public. Her husband may keep it secret our of mercy for her and resort to other means which are mentioned in this ayah. Allahu A'lam
@czgibson
There is no point discussing these fiqhi matters with you because you do not even believe in Allah. Since you do not believe in Him, you will never actually understand the shari rulings. And even if you do, it would still not make you believe in Allah. So what is the point? But let me address your two points
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
But seeing as the Qur'an is a text with divine authority, can you not see how dangerous it is for it to include pronouncements like this? Especially when they require so much repeated clarification?
this is simply your perception. Allah did not end it there, there is a ahadith to explain what we are really suppose to do. So Islam left no room for wrong interpretations and now if some people do it how can you blame Islam for it? Your post shows that you know nothing about basic Islamic science. The Qur'an and sahih ahadith are two sources of Islam and the sahih ahadith are the second revelation from Allah. They go hand in hand when explaining Islam and the rulings are not limited to just one of the two sources
Secondly, just because the source is divine, does not mean that the addressees are also divine. We are limited and everyone thinks differently. Have humans ever agreed upon one thing? They do not even agree upon who there Creator is let alone more issues. It is a fallacy in and of itself, knowing our limitations, to claim that all humans should understand the Qur'an in same way. There is no evidence that even if the Qur'an would have been revealed in simplest of forms we would have agreed upon it. What evidence do you have that if Allah used a different term then we all would have agreed over its meaning and implication? We would have still argued about it. Why: because we are HUMANS!
Lastly, you do not know what is best for us; the Lord knows what is best for us. All you can do is play guessing games with your limited understanding and corrupt perception of reality and what is truth.
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
It is read by millions and its verses are widely interpreted as a guide to all aspects of life. Given both of those facts, if it causes misconceptions to arise (even among ignorant people), and those misconceptions lead to harm, then surely that is dangerous?
so what if read by millions of people and no clear to them. All of these people are told in the Qur'an that if you do not have knowledge then refer to those who have knowledge. Is it Islam's fault that people do not do that, even though Islam closed the door to distortion and misinterpretation? Please talk about Islam and not the actions of people!
and indeed Allah knows best