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Blackpool
09-24-2009, 12:25 AM
British delegates joined a series of other nations in staging a walk-out in protest of remarks made by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a speech to the UN.



In his address, Mr Ahmadinejad launched a scathing attack on Israel, a frequent target of his fury, accusing it of adopting "inhuman policies" in the Palestinian territories.

He claimed greater global freedom and the "awakening of nations" would force Israel to abandon its "hypocrisy and vicious attitudes".

"It is no longer acceptable that a small minority would dominate the politics, economy and culture of major parts of the world by its complicated networks, and establish a new form of slavery, and harm the reputation of other nations, even European nations and the US, to attain its racist ambitions," he said.

British delegates joined American and French representatives in leaving the room at the UN headquarters at this point.

Meanwhile, Mr Ahmadinejad went on to accuse foreign troops of spreading "war, bloodshed, aggression, terror and intimidation" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He lashed out at capitalism, arguing it had reached the end of the road and would suffer the same fate as Marxism.

And the Iranian leader also used his speech to brush off accusations that his re-election in June was a fraud, describing the polling day as "glorious and fully democratic".

Notably absent from the address was Tehran's stand-off with Western powers over its nuclear ambitions.

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The_Prince
09-24-2009, 03:28 PM
lol what a bunch of idiots, let them run out, and keep their ears closed, but it doesnt change the facts, Israel is a terrorist state that is commiting many crimes, and western countries are occupying two other countries and continuing a war of agression.
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Lost&Found
09-24-2009, 05:26 PM
There are many other countries that commit crimes, eg. China, Sudan...why doesn't he "launch a scathing attack" on them? :hmm:
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جوري
09-24-2009, 05:39 PM
he leaves that task to his western counterparts who seem to turn a blind eye to overt terrorism of which they are an active participant whilst making mountains out of mole hills on red herrings. At the same time, you ask indeed an interesting question.. Why doesn't the U.S and its western champions launch an attack against China for its numerous offenses?

Hypocrisy perhaps?
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Nyx-
09-24-2009, 06:01 PM
On China:
China is a waking dragon, It is slowly waking up and prospering again. If america and its other hegemon states attacked China, it would unleash a beast into the world.

Unfortunately my world(Western world) is still run by in large the same mentality as it was back during christendom. Many of the real leaders of the western world(behind the scenes) are either jewish or have a crusader complex.

Most western media sources either ignore anything that would anger the populace into action or hold some xenophobic undertones towards muslims or the 'east'
All i've seen on the news so far is that Mr Ahmadinejad was there and Col. Gadafi(sp?) no news on what was actually said.
(aside from some small clip about obama saving the world with a hand tied behind his back)
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The_Prince
09-24-2009, 06:10 PM
Originally Posted by Lost&Found
There are many other countries that commit crimes, eg. China, Sudan...why doesn't he "launch a scathing attack" on them? :hmm:
because sudan, and china keep their crimes in their own borders, they dont go around the world commiting crimes in international countries and start parking bases all over the place.
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IbnAbdulHakim
09-24-2009, 07:00 PM
"launched a scathing attack"


^^^ who besides me thought this was a real physical attack on the nation?

got my hopes up for nothing.
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Najm
09-24-2009, 08:18 PM
Originally Posted by Fighting4Iman
"launched a scathing attack"


^^^ who besides me thought this was a real physical attack on the nation?

got my hopes up for nothing.
AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

Thats what i tot :embarrass

FiAmaaniAllah
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Trumble
09-24-2009, 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by Lost&Found
There are many other countries that commit crimes, eg. China, Sudan...why doesn't he "launch a scathing attack" on them? :hmm:
Because it's politically inconvenient. Friend Ahmadinejad is a true pragmatist.
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Ramadhan
09-24-2009, 11:41 PM
Originally Posted by Fighting4Iman View Post
"launched a scathing attack"


^^^ who besides me thought this was a real physical attack on the nation?

got my hopes up for nothing.
Murdoch-owned media never fail to set the standard even higher in sensational "journalism"
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Karl
09-25-2009, 01:00 AM
Zionists can't stand Mr Ahmadinejad. They will squeeze Iran with santions until the government falls and is replaced by a Zionist one or the nation will be invaded by the "Freedom Fighters" Zionist armies. Iran will probably end up crushed and plundered and occupied like Iraq.
The Zionists have planned world domination for a long time. The Nazis failled to stop them...I think we are Doomed... the Zionists are just too clever and powerfull now.
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convert
09-25-2009, 01:25 AM
I wish Ahmadinejad would stop it with the Holocaust denial stuff. Evidence is there, it happened. I don't believe it happened anywhere close to what the supposed numbers are but it happened

We got to sit up there and watch that dirty murderer Netanyahu (may Allah curse him) get all quivery in the lip and play the anti-semite card again.
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جوري
09-25-2009, 01:34 AM
That is indeed how they undo all the other truths they utter.. who is going to buy into a speech that is laced with lunacies about the mahdi or holocaust denial.
They need to keep to politics and leave their religious convictions out of this if only to loan what they say some credence!

:w:
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Ramadhan
09-25-2009, 02:37 AM
Sadly, those things are what the majority of their own citizens want to hear from their presidents.
Ahmadinejad and Ghadaffi do not care what the rest of the world think, I'd like to know if their domestic approval ratings went through the roof after their UN speeches.
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Humbler_359
09-25-2009, 03:55 AM
:sl:

"It is no longer acceptable that a small minority would dominate the politics, economy and culture of major parts of the world by its complicated networks, and establish a new form of slavery, and harm the reputation of other nations, even European nations and the US, to attain its racist ambitions," he said.

I love President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speech. We must unite Muslim World and stand up. It is not easy but must overcome difficulties.
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Ummu Sufyaan
09-25-2009, 06:55 AM
In his address, Mr Ahmadinejad launched a scathing attack on Israel, a frequent target of his fury, accusing it of adopting "inhuman policies" in the Palestinian territories.
Meanwhile, Mr Ahmadinejad went on to accuse foreign troops of spreading "war, bloodshed, aggression, terror and intimidation" in Iraq and Afghanistan.

kind of reminds me of the torture "mattered" out for the minority sunni's in Iran. i wonder if this two-faced hypocrite will speak up against that, or are those tortured people in Iran not of any use to him...
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justahumane
09-25-2009, 07:27 AM
Originally Posted by Umm ul-Shaheed
kind of reminds me of the torture "mattered" out for the minority sunni's in Iran. i wonder if this two-faced hypocrite will speak up against that, or are those tortured people in Iran not of any use to him...
Aaah U spoiled this love and unite under Ahmadinijad game sister.Cant U forget those things? So what is they persecute minority sunnis and compell them hear all the trash about first two khulfa? As a brother said they are doing it well inside their borders.

Hypocricy at work indeed.

Peace.
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Cabdullahi
09-25-2009, 09:53 AM
oh dear oh dear they're playing musical chairs again

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Cabdullahi
09-25-2009, 10:08 AM
Originally Posted by Umm ul-Shaheed
kind of reminds me of the torture "mattered" out for the minority sunni's in Iran. i wonder if this two-faced hypocrite will speak up against that, or are those tortured people in Iran not of any use to him...


at least iran have balls that of a grizzly bear, unlike our beloved nations
egypt (sunni torturing sunni)
saudi arabia ( '' '' '' )
jordan ( '' '' '' )
pakistan ( '' '' '' )

need i say more
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Ummu Sufyaan
09-25-2009, 10:33 AM
:sl:
^ are you telling me that Iran is for Palestine?! just like obama is for muslims because he said "assalamu alaykum"? and his middle name happens to be Hussien? riiight

that's the problem with us Muslims/sunni's these days. we dont have our own *pious* authority to rule us. instead we hand it to the kuffaar... we have neglected our deen, so allah has humiliated us. we cant even think for ourselves, we cant even support on another. inna lillahi wa inna ilayi raaj3oon :( so much that we bow to our enemy, that when someone comes and says "yay Palestine, did Isreal die :raging:" we rush to support them, being completely oblivious to the fact that they are the real enemies...tell me, if Ahmadinejad's really loved Palestine, Israel would be dead. they have the power to do it. what is stopping him? tell me, if Ahmadinejad's really loved Palestine, i wonder what authority he would choose for them to rule by. the sunni, or the shia?
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Cabdullahi
09-25-2009, 10:58 AM
..............
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Zone Maker
09-25-2009, 11:11 AM
Aslam 3likm

The problems in Iran are more complex than just a Shia-Sunni conflict. For example the Balochistan Liberation Army is in conflict with Iranian government yet the west turned it into Shia-Sunni battle I am not saying that Sunni Muslims are not facing hardship but we have to see the bigger picture and the fact that the west is using "divide and conquer" to bring Muslims on their knees. I am disappointed about the fact that many Muslims where with Mousavi ignoring the fact that he is pro-western and that the word Muslim is nothing but a label to him. But no since he is Sunni "which is abviously a label too" to hell with Ahmadinejad who bravely opposed the west (unlike our rulers who are mere pawns). Do you know the hardships faced by Shias and do you know they are treated as dirts in some places in the world no because they are not Sunnis. I am not defending Shias but if we don't wake up soon we will be swallowed by the tyrannical western power. To me Iran is a future where I can be a free Muslim from any outsider's influence. I agree with Ahmadinejad instead of killing each other we have to unite against the real enemy.
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Ummu Sufyaan
09-25-2009, 11:24 AM
wa alaykum us-Salaam
I am not defending Shias but if we don't wake up soon we will be swallowed by the tyrannical western power.
yes but it isnt about the western power and opposing the west. its about opposing whoever doesn't give a crap about us (putting it simply) be it the/in west, or otherwise.

when are we going to wake up. just because someone merely supports the Muslims, does it make them right to rule over us and it doesn't make them love us. the west aren't the only ones who hate us and are at war with us.


To me Iran is a future where I can be a free Muslim from any outsider's influence.
and when we sunni's are put under a shia authority, i guess they are going to be more than happy for us to defend the sahabi's eh? talking about living freely :exhausted

i'd rather the west at war with us, then a cunning snake in the grass at war with us. actually this reminds me of the mushrikoon's hatred in mecca for the Muslims and the munafiqoon's hatred of the Muslims in Medina...it isnt far off is it...
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Cabdullahi
09-25-2009, 11:34 AM
'the lion' has some valid points but i still see iran ahead of the other sunni muslim nation's simply because they're fearless
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Ummu Sufyaan
09-25-2009, 11:40 AM
:sl:
^thats because they have no ties to the west, much to their advantage...but it none-the-less means that us Muslims shouldn't hold our breaths that they are our friends and it would be better living under their rule...
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Zone Maker
09-25-2009, 11:44 AM
You misunderstood me I said unite not submit to Shias and I never knew that it is their intention to. I don't want to be rude but, however you look at it with this mind set we will never be victorious and that is the fact. So how about this first we git rid of the kafirs authority then we start killing each won't that be wonderful.
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nocturnal
09-25-2009, 06:50 PM
Im so ashamed of the British Government for such deplorable behaviour at the UN. They are totally out of touch with public opinion in this country with respect to israel. It is such a profound travesty and inversion of morality, that when anybody, whether a layman or a statesman, calls israel's treatment of the Palestinians inhumane and denounces it, they are immediately condemned as war-mongering anti-semites.

The reforms that Gaddafi and Ahmadinejad have called for in the UN are firmly in accord with the wishes of the international community. It doesn't make sense to expand the Security Council or make it supposedly more representative by co-opting the likes of India, Brazil, etc no matter how impressive their case. The Security Council needs to be dismantled in its entirety and the resolutions of the General Assembly need to be binding. This is the fundamental reform that is sorely needed in the UN.

Otherwise, it is nothing more than an extravagant rostrum from which the big shots engage in posturing and enact devastating sanctions on certain nations in an attempt to punish leaders who don't serve their interests.
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Muezzin
09-25-2009, 08:14 PM
Guys, just a reminder, this isn't a place for sectarian debate.
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AvarAllahNoor
09-25-2009, 10:33 PM
Have you noticed that the 'World Community'' ONLY consist of the UK, US and France? lol

It's always them that are the leaders in all this. Shame on Obama, he was supposed to do things differently. He's appeased the EU countries and others, but still is hostile towards Iran.

Also, where are these so called Ummah countries of Islam? why no words of support for Iran from (at least fifty Islamic countries) SA? Qatar? Sudan? Morocco? Egypt? Jordan? etc.

There was no mention of the Holocaust, again these three nations are making a song and dance over sod all. They attack, and they shall unleash the devil in all the Shia community the world over! They are not like the Sunnis, they are one and united when the fatwa of Ayatollah is given! (This isn't about the sects, but it is relevant, as the attacks on Iraq could have been prevented had the Islamic nations and it's populace had stood against it, they did no such thing!)
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nocturnal
09-28-2009, 12:00 AM
Originally Posted by Umm ul-Shaheed
:sl:
^ are you telling me that Iran is for Palestine?! just like obama is for muslims because he said "assalamu alaykum"? and his middle name happens to be Hussien? riiight

that's the problem with us Muslims/sunni's these days. we dont have our own *pious* authority to rule us. instead we hand it to the kuffaar... we have neglected our deen, so allah has humiliated us. we cant even think for ourselves, we cant even support on another. inna lillahi wa inna ilayi raaj3oon :( so much that we bow to our enemy, that when someone comes and says "yay Palestine, did Isreal die :raging:" we rush to support them, being completely oblivious to the fact that they are the real enemies...tell me, if Ahmadinejad's really loved Palestine, Israel would be dead. they have the power to do it. what is stopping him? tell me, if Ahmadinejad's really loved Palestine, i wonder what authority he would choose for them to rule by. the sunni, or the shia?
It is precisely such kind of pathetic and divisive posturing that has plagued the Muslim ummah. For decades the Sunni/Shia divide has been ruthlessly exploited by the west just like religious differences were in India to split the nationalist movement.

Umm ul shaheed, Ahmadinejad may be a Shia, but to suggest that he is championing the Palestinian cause in a cynical attempt to implant a Shia leadership is just ridiculous. The Iranian government recognised the legitimate Palestinian government elected by the people; that of Hamas. Are you going to make the arguement that because President Chavez of Venezuela supports Palestinian aspirations, that he somehow wants to create a Christian Bolivarian Palestine?

Doctrinal differences between Muslims should not be allowed to drive us apart. Im fed up of these schisms that the Muslim world is suffering from because of the most inane and stupid anti-Suuni/Shia syndrome that has plagued us and curtails with such efficacy any endeavours we make towards the goal of emancipation.
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Karl
09-28-2009, 01:41 AM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
Have you noticed that the 'World Community'' ONLY consist of the UK, US and France? lol

It's always them that are the leaders in all this. Shame on Obama, he was supposed to do things differently. He's appeased the EU countries and others, but still is hostile towards Iran.

Also, where are these so called Ummah countries of Islam? why no words of support for Iran from (at least fifty Islamic countries) SA? Qatar? Sudan? Morocco? Egypt? Jordan? etc.

There was no mention of the Holocaust, again these three nations are making a song and dance over sod all. They attack, and they shall unleash the devil in all the Shia community the world over! They are not like the Sunnis, they are one and united when the fatwa of Ayatollah is given! (This isn't about the sects, but it is relevant, as the attacks on Iraq could have been prevented had the Islamic nations and it's populace had stood against it, they did no such thing!)
Great post, but you must remember the Arabs have learnt to be two faced from their dealings (they were betrayed)with the British Empire.
During world war 2 they were doing deals with the British, Italians, Nazis, Soviets and the USA to pursue their own interests. They are playing the game slow and sneaky... not so in your face like Iran... Maybe Iran is goading Israel into a war with it because the people in Iran are becoming soft and decadent and are loosing their way (westernizing)..a war is a great way to unify and strengthen religious fervent and may spark off more Global Holy war.

We gotta get rid of this "Capitalism for the Rich and Socialism for the rest of us" New world Order Anti-christ United Nations grinding oppression bunch that's controling the world... all faiths need to unite and fight it. Islam can't do it alone. Put all your pety bickerings aside and fight the "Beast".
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Ummu Sufyaan
09-28-2009, 07:52 AM
Originally Posted by nocturnal
It is precisely such kind of pathetic and divisive posturing that has plagued the Muslim ummah.
what a charming way to disagree with someone. [/end sarcasm]


Umm ul shaheed, Ahmadinejad may be a Shia, but to suggest that he is championing the Palestinian cause in a cynical attempt to implant a Shia leadership is just ridiculous.
i didnt say that :hmm:

The Iranian government recognised the legitimate Palestinian government elected by the people; that of Hamas.
Palestine and the Palestinians are a pawn in Ahmadinejad games. as i mentioned previously, if he really cared about the conditions of the Muslims, he would stop the torture of the minority sunni's in Iran...

Are you going to make the arguement that because President Chavez of Venezuela supports Palestinian aspirations, that he somehow wants to create a Christian Bolivarian Palestine?
no, because that's not what i was implying begin with.

Doctrinal differences between Muslims should not be allowed to drive us apart.
theoretically, its sounds perfect, realistically it is anything but.
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GuestFellow
09-28-2009, 08:17 PM
Why am I not surprised to see the British delegates walk out? It is pathetic and so much for freedom of speech and ''democracy. It is all simply farce.
Why don't they have the guts to sit down and listen to what he has to say?
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nocturnal
09-28-2009, 08:58 PM
Originally Posted by Umm ul-Shaheed
what a charming way to disagree with someone. [/end sarcasm]



i didnt say that :hmm:


Palestine and the Palestinians are a pawn in Ahmadinejad games. as i mentioned previously, if he really cared about the conditions of the Muslims, he would stop the torture of the minority sunni's in Iran...


no, because that's not what i was implying begin with.


theoretically, its sounds perfect, realistically it is anything but.
Sunnis enjoy the same privileges that Shias do. I have Sunni friends from Shiraz in Iran who study in my college and they tell me that there are mosques for Sunnis constructed WITH government endowments, charities, and even quotas for Sunni parliamentarians in the Iranian legislature.
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