Post 'Question Time': 'One In Five Voters Now Considering BNP'

[Blackpool]

'One In Five Voters Now Considering BNP'


The first poll following Nick Griffin's controversial appearance on Question Time has found more than a fifth of voters would now consider voting BNP.

Taken in the hours after the show, the YouGov poll for The Daily Telegraph found 22% of voters would seriously consider voting BNP in a local, general or European election.

Two thirds said they would never vote BNP under any circumstances, with the rest unsure.

More than half of those questioned said that they agreed with the BNP, or thought the party had a point, in wishing to speak up for the interests of the indigenous, white British people.

This included 43% who said that while they shared some of its concerns, they had no sympathy for the party itself.

Some 12% said they completely agreed with the BNP and supported the party's decision to speak up, while 38% said they disagreed totally with the party's political outlook.

The figures are based on a sample of 1,314 electors across Britain interviewed online from October 22-23.

A BBC spokesman said: "We have been very clear in setting out our reasons for having Nick Griffin on Question Time.

"The BBC's obligation is around due impartiality. It is not our job to comment on the ebb and flow of opinion polls."

Mr Griffin's debut appearance on the show sparked uproar, with angry scenes outside BBC TV Centre in west London as nearly 1,000 demonstrators protested.

He has said he is to make a formal complaint to the BBC about his treatment on the panel, which he believed had been deliberately "twisted" in order to focus on him and his party's policies, leaving him to face a "lynch mob".

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...ime_Appearance

[Uthman]

Muslim reaction to Nick Griffin's appearance on Question Time

Some comment pieces:

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[aadil77]

They've only gained support because of failures in immigration policies and the mp expenses scandals

I don't think many of their supporters are racist like them, they've just been duped by bnp as theres not alot of awareness about the party's true nature

[GuestFellow]

Not surprised. Some of the students I've met at college want to vote for the BNP. A vast majority of them are in favour of his policies.

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[julesfly]

The figure reported in other newspapers for those who would possibly or definitely vote BNP is 7% not 22% so not sure which of these is accurate but agree that these people agree only on the immigration policy and wouldnt associate themselves with the other drivel spouted by him.

[Woodrow]

Not surprised. Some of the students I've met at college want to vote for the BNP. A vast majority of them are in favour of his policies.

when people feel the incumbent is inadequate they often turn to the extreme opposite. It takes years of the pendulum swinging to extremes before, if ever, it settles on the point of equilibrium.

[Blackpool]

They've only gained support because of failures in immigration policies and the mp expenses scandals

I don't think many of their supporters are racist like them, they've just been duped by bnp as theres not alot of awareness about the party's true nature

You've echoed the words of Nick Griffin himself. So if these issues aren't tackled then where is that going to lead us? Towards the BNP who are, whether we all like it or not, growing at some pace.

[GuestFellow]

You've echoed the words of Nick Griffin himself. So if these issues aren't tackled then where is that going to lead us? Towards the BNP who are, whether we all like it or not, growing at some pace.

I doubt the BNP can tackle any of these issues from looking at their polices. The only way the public can realise that the BNP are useless is if they get into power. Without a doubt if those policies are implemented, the BNP will dig a deeper hole for Britain.

[Blackpool]

I doubt the BNP can tackle any of these issues from looking at their polices. The only way the public can realise that the BNP are useless is if they get into power. Without a doubt if those policies are implemented, the BNP will dig a deeper hole for Britain.

I wasn't talking about the BNP tackling the problem. I was talking about the mainstream political parties. If they don't tackle the problem then people will continue to lean to the only party that has the issue in their agenda.

[Karina]

Do not listen to statistics! They're usually relatively inaccurate anyway. (ha - 97% of the time lol! :D)

Anyway, I do not believe for one second that people are now moving away from common sense and towards the filth that NG's party peddle.

On a personal level, and for what it's worth, nobody I know has changed their mind on this - in fact they say NG's appearance on Question Time has only gone to re-inforce their disgust at his policies.

Furthermore, my friend works on a building site (yeah, stereotypical northern builders if you know what I mean!) but he says the general consensus is the same - Nick Griffin is trash.

Anyway, I have faith in people's good natures - I'm positive that, as is usually the case, the stats are distorted or biased in some way.

[umm junaid]

Allah knows best, so i think we shud just leave it to the qadar of Allah.

[The_Prince]

you just gotta love the brits, they having a problem with immigrants comming in, but no problems with brits immigrating to other countries, poor us brits :(

[The_Prince]

im gonna be back in the UAE in December, and hopefully i dont see the sight of one British person, let them stick to their ideals.

somehow i doubt thats gonna happen. :)

[GuestFellow]

you just gotta love the brits, they having a problem with immigrants comming in, but no problems with brits immigrating to other countries, poor us brits :(

I remember watching a documentary about Spain and the British people visiting their country. The Spanish were annoyed with the British tourist due to behaving inappropriately, excessive drinking and getting drunk. Some Spanish people were annoyed the British people who chosen to stay in Spain did not bother to learn Spanish.

[Blackpool]

you just gotta love the brits, they having a problem with immigrants comming in, but no problems with brits immigrating to other countries, poor us brits :(

Not our problem. Britain is our problem, not the likes of Spain. If the Spanish want to toughen up their borders then good luck to them. There is nothing European countries can do regarding European immigration however due to immigration laws of the EU. We would love to stop the Polish, Czechs and Russians streaming in but the only thing we have the power to control is non-eu immigrants that pour in from Pakistan, India and Africa etc... In my opinion it's only a matter of time.

[The_Prince]

I remember watching a documentary about Spain and the British people visiting their country. The Spanish were annoyed with the British tourist due to behaving inappropriately, excessive drinking and getting drunk. Some Spanish people were annoyed the British people who chosen to stay in Spain did not bother to learn Spanish.

lol, this is something very common, most ppl view brits as the WORST foreign people when visiting their country, not just Spain.

its a common fact that british people who do visit abroad often behave very badly, and not respecting the local culture, or people. just look at hooliginism during major football events, such as the world cup, or the euro cup, its always massive groups of english people running through the streets, attacking police, throwing chairs, turning things upside down etc etc.

:D but anyways, you do have to love the british hypocrisy.

[GuestFellow]

Not our problem. Britain is our problem, not the likes of Spain. If the Spanish want to toughen up their borders then good luck to them. There is nothing European countries can do regarding European immigration however due to immigration laws of the EU. We would love to stop the Polish, Czechs and Russians streaming in but the only thing we have the power to control is non-eu immigrants that pour in from Pakistan, India and Africa etc... In my opinion it's only a matter of time.

Actually this country does need immigrants from India for sure. The NHS needs doctors from India because they specialise in very complex medical procedures and have years of experience. British people may have to travel abroad in order to get treatment.

The immigrants don't always do the nice jobs.

[The_Prince]

Not our problem. Britain is our problem, not the likes of Spain. If the Spanish want to toughen up their borders then good luck to them. There is nothing European countries can do regarding European immigration however due to immigration laws of the EU. We would love to stop the Polish, Czechs and Russians streaming in but the only thing we have the power to control is non-eu immigrants that pour in from Pakistan, India and Africa etc... In my opinion it's only a matter of time.

oh yes it is your problem, because you cant complain about immigrants etc etc when your fellow ppl dont mind immigrating to other countries, and your people dont mind going to other countries and completly disrespecting the place and people.

:) you know what we call that? HYPOCRISY.

[Blackpool]

oh yes it is your problem, because you cant complain about immigrants etc etc when your fellow ppl dont mind immigrating to other countries, and your people dont mind going to other countries and completly disrespecting the place and people.

:) you know what we call that? HYPOCRISY.

I've been to Spain on numerous occasions and I have never caused such trouble. I speak a little bit of Spanish myself which gets me by in everyday life. We don't need to worry about Spain's immigration problems, we have our own. Terrorists passing our borders from South Asia. We don't seem to get European terrorists...

[Muezzin]

'One In Five Voters Now Considering BNP'

I love statistics. You can make them mean whatever you want them to. They're like scientific omens.

According to the very same poll, you could also conclude 'Four of five voters would not consider voting BNP'.

[S_87]

you just gotta love the brits, they having a problem with immigrants comming in, but no problems with brits immigrating to other countries, poor us brits :(

yup and as for integrating and all that, brits have their own communities and dont necessarily learn the language of the country.

[The_Prince]

I've been to Spain on numerous occasions and I have never caused such trouble. I speak a little bit of Spanish myself which gets me by in everyday life. We don't need to worry about Spain's immigration problems, we have our own. Terrorists passing our borders from South Asia. We don't seem to get European terrorists...

you didnt make problems in spain, and the vast majority of immigrants and visitors to the U.K havent made problems neither, so suck it up and quite blabbering about immigrants.

again i repeat, stop visitng other countries, stop immigrating to other countries, and then perhaps ppl can take some your claims abit seriously.

u dont seem to get european terrorists? what are the irish ones then? jamaican? or what about the white english ones who were arrested a few months back who were planning on bombing mosques etc etc, where they white english hybrids created in a lab all the way in south asia?

sheesh you talk so much cr@p man, just come out and say, WE DONT WANT IMMIGRANTS, SPECIFICALLY NONE WHITE IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE WERE RACIST, HYPOCRITES, AND TO TOP IT OFF WE DONT MIND INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES, AND IMMIGRATING TO OTHER COUNTRIES, BECAUSE WERE ENGLISH AND WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT.

why dont you just come out and say that, because so far all of your blabberings and excuses havent been working as i have just shown, so just open up, and that will make discussions more smoother.

[The_Prince]

yup and as for integrating and all that, brits have their own communities and dont necessarily learn the language of the country.

back in the UAE the only arabic the english can say is: salam, shukran, masalama. lol other than that they know nothing.

so that would be like an immigrant comming to uk and he would only be able to say: hi, bye, thank you, and good morning!

lol and the english would go CRAZY on an immigrant like that, he cant speakkkkkkk english in an englishhhhhhhhhhh country!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its quite sad, the english seem to think their above everyone and can do whatever they want, too bad someone didnt send them the memo to let them know it doesnt work like that.

now it must be said that not ALL english ppl are this arrogant, many of them are civilized and realize we live in a globalized world were immigrants comming and going is how society works these days, and they dont mind that, and they enjoy the multicultural society and ways.

[GuestFellow]

Terrorists passing our borders from South Asia. We don't seem to get European terrorists...

Ah the IRA?

The AZF. A terrorist group in France.

=/ Not many terrorists groups.

[The_Prince]

Ah the IRA?

The AZF. A terrorist group in France.

=/ Not many terrorists groups.

dont you get it? only asians, and muslims can be classified as terrorists.

[Blackpool]

you didnt make problems in spain, and the vast majority of immigrants and visitors to the U.K havent made problems neither, so suck it up and quite blabbering about immigrants.

again i repeat, stop visitng other countries, stop immigrating to other countries, and then perhaps ppl can take some your claims abit seriously.

u dont seem to get european terrorists? what are the irish ones then? jamaican? or what about the white english ones who were arrested a few months back who were planning on bombing mosques etc etc, where they white english hybrids created in a lab all the way in south asia?

sheesh you talk so much cr@p man, just come out and say, WE DONT WANT IMMIGRANTS, SPECIFICALLY NONE WHITE IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE WERE RACIST, HYPOCRITES, AND TO TOP IT OFF WE DONT MIND INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES, AND IMMIGRATING TO OTHER COUNTRIES, BECAUSE WERE ENGLISH AND WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT.

why dont you just come out and say that, because so far all of your blabberings and excuses havent been working as i have just shown, so just open up, and that will make discussions more smoother.

There is a difference between British immigrants and to those immigrants that seek the UK. The NHS bills for immigrants come out of my pocket. Our houses are going to immigrants. The benefits are going to immigrants. There are many immigrants that have NEVER contributed to the UK. The population is expected to increase to 71million people. This is a SMALL island...! Ridiculous.

Immigration needs to come to a complete stop. The deportation of all illegal immigrants and those that we don't need in the UK. I don't believe in "free citizenship for all." Those with citizenship without excellent reason to should be stripped of it and shipped back home before we can even think about looking abroad for new HIGHLY skilled immigrants.

[The_Prince]

There is a difference between British immigrants and to those immigrants that seek the UK. The NHS bills for immigrants come out of my pocket. Our houses are going to immigrants. The benefits are going to immigrants. There are many immigrants that have NEVER contributed to the UK. The population is expected to increase to 71million people. This is a SMALL island...! Ridiculous.

Immigration needs to come to a complete stop. The deportation of all illegal immigrants and those that we don't need in the UK. I don't believe in "free citizenship for all." Those with citizenship without excellent reason to should be stripped of it and shipped back home before we can even think about looking abroad for new HIGHLY skilled immigrants.

again, the day immigration to the uk stops is the day british ppl stop immigrating to other countries, is that too hard to understand, is that too hard to implement. sheesh.

[Blackpool]

Personally I don't have a problem with European immigration as they're not the ones blowing our father/mother/children/wives/husbands etc on the tubes, buses or airports. For me, my anti-immigration views stem from terrorism. If terrorism didn't occur here my views on immigration wouldn't be as strong as it is.

[The_Prince]

Personally I don't have a problem with European immigration as they're not the ones blowing our father/mother/children/wives/husbands etc on the tubes, buses or airports. For me, my anti-immigration views stem from terrorism. If terrorism didn't occur here my views on immigration wouldn't be as strong as it is.

so there you go, finally your true colours come out, and you say you dont mind european immigrants, but only MUSLIM ones, although you were still cowardly to mention Muslim, but its quite obvious.

hence all this mumbo jumbo about england being full, no more immigration etc etc is all a sham, and a LIE. it has nothing to do with that, but its only aimed at people who happen to be Muslim.

and as for blowing ppl up, your country is very good at that, did you forget iraq, afghanistan, etc etc. you have caused more death, destruction, and blowing up than the ppl you accuse! there has only been 1 muslim attack in england compared to your countless of invasions and bombings, so yet again your hypocrisy and double standards are shown.

now i repeat, if you have a problem with Muslim immigrants then tell your fellow english ppl to stop immigrating to Muslim countries, the same english ppl who belong to a country that is actively blowing up my fellow mothers fathers brothers sisters sons and daughters etc etc.

there you go ladies and gents, you see how scum like blackpool after you keep at them reveal their true colours, dont be fooled and blinded by these professional lying racists.

[The_Prince]

lol, , notice what he said:

We would love to stop the Polish, Czechs and Russians streaming in

and then he says:

Personally I don't have a problem with European immigration

in one post he acts like hes against immigration as a whole, but then his true colours come out and he says oh well he doesnt mind european immigrants, only Muslim ones!

so again, dont be fooled by these liars, when they say England is full, no more immigration, its mainly refering to Muslims only, not white europeans.

and to repeat, people like him have no problem in his fellow white englishmen immigrating to Muslim countries.

[GuestFellow]

Personally I don't have a problem with European immigration as they're not the ones blowing our father/mother/children/wives/husbands etc on the tubes, buses or airports. For me, my anti-immigration views stem from terrorism. If terrorism didn't occur here my views on immigration wouldn't be as strong as it is.

Keep in mind European immigration is putting a lot of pressure on the UK government regarding resources, housing, jobs, health and stuff...

@The_Prince please let's not insult other members... .___.

[Uthman]

To everybody: please debate respectfully and refrain from insults.

[The_Prince]

To everybody: please debate respectfully and refrain from insults.

well racists like blackpool deserve to be insulted, its ISLAMICALLY 100% okay, the prophet told a poet to attack the pagans.

this racist loser associates himself with the vilest of racists in the UK, the EDL, etc etc, and hes showing his true colours on this thread.

he deserves no respect, and he sure aint gonna get none from me, thats for sure. enoughs enough with these racists and their propaganda, they need to be harshly responded to with the facts, and they need to know not everything goes according to how they want it.

[Uthman]

:salamext:

well racists like blackpool deserve to be insulted, its ISLAMICALLY 100% okay, the prophet told a poet to attack the pagans.

this racist loser associates himself with the vilest of racists in the UK, the EDL, etc etc, and hes showing his true colours on this thread.

he deserves no respect, and he sure aint gonna get none from me, thats for sure. enoughs enough with these racists and their propaganda, they need to be harshly responded to with the facts, and they need to know not everything goes according to how they want it.

All I'm concerned with is that nobody violates the forum rules, brother. Everybody agreed to them when they signed up to be a member, so it's not unreasonable that we expect them to abide by the rules. Let that be the end of the matter, and please use the HelpDesk if you have further objections.

[The_Prince]

:salamext: All I'm concerned with is that nobody violates the forum rules, brother. Everybody agreed to them when they signed up to be a member, so it's not unreasonable that we expect them to abide by the rules. Let that be the end of the matter, and please use the HelpDesk if you have further objections.

sure i wont call him a twat and the other word i used. but i will harshly put him in his place in a forum respected manner :D

[GuestFellow]

sure i wont call him a twat and the other word i used. but i will harshly put him in his place in a forum respected manner :D

Salaam.

Or you could respond kindly and hopefully reach an agreement? You don't have to be harsh to get your point across.

[Blackpool]

Keep in mind European immigration is putting a lot of pressure on the UK government regarding resources, housing, jobs, health and stuff...

@The_Prince please let's not insult other members... .___.

I totally agree with you. Immigration needs to come to a halt until it is cleaned up. I don't agree with free entry for all but for those that are willing to contribute to the country. Currently we're letting everybody and anybody in without a care in the world. Currently we're offering everybody and anybody a home here regardless of their criminal history.

I am against immigration from every region, be it European, Asian and African but the theat of terrorism comes from the middle East which explains why I have different reasons of opposing immigration with South Asia to Europe. It's not anti-muslim, it's anti-terrorism.

[The_Prince]

Salaam.

Or you could respond kindly and hopefully reach an agreement? You don't have to be harsh to get your point across.

well that could be one route, but not the route i take with racists and people like him.

with people like the BNP, EDL, neonazis you cant kindly respond and hopefully reach an agreement, these arent civilized and normal people, these are people who believe in a white race only, that none whites have bad genes, are different, dont belong in the west etc etc.

these are the same ppl who killed 6 million jews for having different type of looks and genes! so you cant just talk with these ppl.

[The_Prince]

I totally agree with you. Immigration needs to come to a halt until it is cleaned up. I don't agree with free entry for all but for those that are willing to contribute to the country. Currently we're letting everybody and anybody in without a care in the world. Currently we're offering everybody and anybody a home here regardless of their criminal history.

I am against immigration from every region, be it European, Asian and African but the theat of terrorism comes from the middle East which explains why I have different reasons of opposing immigration with South Asia to Europe. It's not anti-muslim, it's anti-terrorism.

you do know the middle east and south asia are two different places right? lol, you do know india, pakistan etc are not located in the middle-east right? you associate the two as if there the same place :phew oh my someone needs some geography lessons.

[The_Prince]

mr blackpool claims:

I am against immigration from every region, be it European

LOL but he earlier said:

Personally I don't have a problem with European immigration

LOL brothers and sisters, am i missing something here? SERIOUSLY is it just me, i dunno.

[Uthman]

That is an apparent contradiction, I have to admit. What do you have to say for yourself, Blackpool? ^o)

[The_Prince]

That is an apparent contradiction, I have to admit. What do you have to say for yourself, Blackpool? ^o)

i think that should become a new logo:

im against all immigration, even from europe, athough personally i dont mind european immigration.

[Blackpool]

mr blackpool claims:

I am against immigration from every region, be it European

LOL but he earlier said:

Personally I don't have a problem with European immigration

LOL brothers and sisters, am i missing something here? SERIOUSLY is it just me, i dunno.

You're trying too hard pal. You don't seem to see the point that I make. I feel immigrants from the MIDDLE EAST and SOUTH ASIA are more of a threat than Europeans as some arrive here with deep hatred. The Polish don't come here inciting hatred. THIS is why I have formed a strong opinion of non Europeans.It's not racism. It's not Islamophobia, it's a dislike of terrorism.

I'm against ALL immigration as it's coming out of my pocket for starters, but above all I am against immigrants coming here from the likes of Pakistan, Iran, Syria etc. There is alot of hatred for the West in this region and there are many that would be willing to travel to the West to "teach the West a lesson."

As stated, my views on South Asian and Middle Eastern immigration differ that from European for the reasons I have stated.

[The_Prince]

You're trying too hard pal. You don't seem to see the point that I make. I feel immigrants from the MIDDLE EAST and SOUTH ASIA are more of a threat than Europeans as some arrive here with deep hatred. The Polish don't come here inciting hatred. THIS is why I have formed a strong opinion of non Europeans.It's not racism. It's not Islamophobia, it's a dislike of terrorism.

I'm against ALL immigration as it's coming out of my pocket for starters, but above all I am against immigrants coming here from the likes of Pakistan, Iran, Syria etc. There is alot of hatred for the West in this region and there are many that would be willing to travel to the West to "teach the West a lesson."

As stated, my views on South Asian and Middle Eastern immigration differ that from European for the reasons I have stated.

im trying too hard? lol those are your words pal!

you said your against immigration from europe even, then went on to say you dont mind european immigrants, so which one is it. you just gave a long politicians response which in no way even responds to your contradiction, you even continue to worsen the contradiction.

your now saying your views on european immigration is different to asian one, so in other words you support european immigration when you said you dont!

again, which one is it:

I am against immigration from every region, be it European

OR

Personally I don't have a problem with European immigration

lol stop doing a nick griffin, everyone can see your a walking contradiction, and your answer makes it no better.

[The_Prince]

You're trying too hard pal. You don't seem to see the point that I make. I feel immigrants from the MIDDLE EAST and SOUTH ASIA are more of a threat than Europeans as some arrive here with deep hatred. The Polish don't come here inciting hatred. THIS is why I have formed a strong opinion of non Europeans.It's not racism. It's not Islamophobia, it's a dislike of terrorism.

I'm against ALL immigration as it's coming out of my pocket for starters, but above all I am against immigrants coming here from the likes of Pakistan, Iran, Syria etc. There is alot of hatred for the West in this region and there are many that would be willing to travel to the West to "teach the West a lesson."

As stated, my views on South Asian and Middle Eastern immigration differ that from European for the reasons I have stated.

I am against immigration from every region, be it European

OR

Personally I don't have a problem with European immigration

which one is it? :D

[Blackpool]

I thought I explained my point. If not you'll have to work it out for yourself mate. I'm going to watch some tv.

[The_Prince]

You're trying too hard pal. You don't seem to see the point that I make. I feel immigrants from the MIDDLE EAST and SOUTH ASIA are more of a threat than Europeans as some arrive here with deep hatred. The Polish don't come here inciting hatred. THIS is why I have formed a strong opinion of non Europeans.It's not racism. It's not Islamophobia, it's a dislike of terrorism.

I'm against ALL immigration as it's coming out of my pocket for starters, but above all I am against immigrants coming here from the likes of Pakistan, Iran, Syria etc. There is alot of hatred for the West in this region and there are many that would be willing to travel to the West to "teach the West a lesson."

As stated, my views on South Asian and Middle Eastern immigration differ that from European for the reasons I have stated.

let us now also respond to your bigotry, not all people from the mid-east, or south asia are terrorists, or want to bomb you, or kill you, or incite hatered, you can say its not racism, but you are a racist bigot because you brush them all with the same brush.

and AGAIN, if you want to stop Muslims from comming to your country, then tell your people to stop moving and living in Muslim countries, is that too hard? and dont forget your country is bombing, invading, occupying, and killing Muslims. your country does far worst to Muslims than the terrorists have done to you, in reality you are the terrorist. :)

[The_Prince]

I thought I explained my point. If not you'll have to work it out for yourself mate. I'm going to watch some tv.

no you didnt explain yourself, go run away because you cant respond, you said the following:

I am against immigration from every region, be it European

OR

Personally I don't have a problem with European immigration

those 2 statements are complete OPPOSITES of each other! so which one is it, are you for european immigration, or are you against it, a simple Q, now answer it like a good little boy.

dont call me your mate, im your enemy, no neo nazi racist bigot is a mate of mine, so plz refrain from calling me mate, even if you dont mean it, its still disgusting to me. you can call me your Muslim Daddy, or Muslim Owner, or Muslim King, because im owning you in this argument. hehe this is what happens when you decide to debate a racist, they cant answer anything and run away.

[Amadeus85]

[QUOTE=The_Prince;1233870]

I am against immigration from every region, be it European

OR

Personally I don't have a problem with European immigration

those 2 statements are complete OPPOSITES of each other! so which one is it, are you for european immigration, or are you against it, a simple Q, now answer it like a good little boy.

Maybe I will try to explain it for Blackpool.

Europeans should support first of all european immigration, religiously and culturally closest to us all. Then we should favour latinos immigration, as they are again religiously and culturally closets to us. Then we should support coming here asian and african christians because they are closer to us than the rest. Then we should expect chinese, hindus and budhists, as they integrate bettern than others. At the end we should expect muslims, because of religious and cultural reasons (not race). Muslims integrate least and slowest, and they have imperialistic past in Europe.
Thank you.

[GuestFellow]

Maybe I will try to explain it for Blackpool.

Europeans should support first of all european immigration, religiously and culturally closest to us all. Then we should favour latinos immigration, as they are again religiously and culturally closets to us. Then we should support coming here asian and african christians because they are closer to us than the rest. Then we should expect chinese, hindus and budhists, as they integrate bettern than others. At the end we should expect muslims, because of religious and cultural reasons (not race). Muslims integrate least and slowest, and they have imperialistic past in Europe.
Thank you.

Is Blackpool even religious? ;D

He's on about terrorism. Not religion/cultural reasons.

[M..x]

Okay.. Tha fact of tha matter is, Immigration is a problem here. We du need, as a country, to know whu comes in and whu goes out, and unfortunately due to Labour's lack of control over it, its escalated to tha point where it has in effect given IDIOTS like Griffin to make it seem as if it is a racist issue. Like any country, whether in tha East or West, border controls are very important mechanisms & can be very effective if they're used properly, clearly not tha deal here..

Blackpool. Clearly you are abit confused, cause your statements contradict each other.

but above all I am against immigrants coming here from the likes of Pakistan, Iran, Syria etc. There is alot of hatred for the West in this region and there are many that would be willing to travel to the West to "teach the West a lesson."

I’m sorry to disappoint you (!) I am a Pakistani and I am British & before anything I’m a Muslim (bet yo cringing now) and I’m **** proud. Your mentality is very weak to think tha MAJORITY of migrants from Pakistan, Iran & Syria came here to ‘teach tha West a lesson’ as you put it. My parents, like many others, came to tha UK to earn an honest living, to provide for their children and educate them. They abide by tha laws of this country and that is tha same values (or ‘lesson’) they have taught me, not to strap a suicide bomb around my waist and kill innocents. A shock much?

I’m not in denial abouh Immigration being a problem, I welcome tha fact people are debating it, but be constructive about it. Its a political issue, not a racist one. So fix up with your comments.

As for tha poll, I think anyone whu votes for tha BNP just lack a) common sense b) knowledge about tha parties true policies. As someone said on tha panel on Question Time, Griffin is a very decpetive man. I loved tha way he played tha Iran/Iraq war card... Acting like he cares. Thas why he wants any 'non-white' to be wiped from tha human race. Bet he was loving it during tha conflict. He's tryna get tha Muslim vote, what a jowke. I urge anyone with BNP-like views, to open your eyes cause tha party is CORRUPT & deny it however much you wish, they are racist. & uK has no time for racist waisemans like him.

[The_Prince]

[QUOTE=Amadeus85;1233882]

Maybe I will try to explain it for Blackpool.

Europeans should support first of all european immigration, religiously and culturally closest to us all. Then we should favour latinos immigration, as they are again religiously and culturally closets to us. Then we should support coming here asian and african christians because they are closer to us than the rest. Then we should expect chinese, hindus and budhists, as they integrate bettern than others. At the end we should expect muslims, because of religious and cultural reasons (not race). Muslims integrate least and slowest, and they have imperialistic past in Europe.
Thank you.

thats not an explanation because he said HES AGAINST EUROPEAN immigration as well, did you fail to see that sentence?

he has stated two completly different opposite statements, which no one can explain, the loser needs to come out and admit he made a contradiction, and exposed himself as a liar, and a racist.

lol imperialistic past, are you kidding me? you a europeans want to talk about imperialism? who right now is invading and occupying whos countries? who has the most recent history of invading who's countries, indeed i wonder whoooooooooooooooo. you have invaded far more Muslim countries than Muslims invading european countries, FACT.

but Muslims should learn from this as well and stop all immigration of european whites into Muslim land. if it was up to me i would ban all white none Muslim europeans from entering any Muslim land, basically make a Mecca law for all Muslim countries when it comes to white european none Muslims. oh yes not only would i ban them, id deport each and every last one of them as well.

[Amadeus85]

[QUOTE=The_Prince;1233921]

lol imperialistic past, are you kidding me? you a europeans want to talk about imperialism? who right now is invading and occupying whos countries? who has the most recent history of invading who's countries, indeed i wonder whoooooooooooooooo. you have invaded far more Muslim countries than Muslims invading european countries, FACT.

Spain, Portugal, Sicily, Cyprus, Greece, Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Russia, Armenia, Croatia.

but Muslims should learn from this as well and stop all immigration of european whites into Muslim land. if it was up to me i would ban all white none Muslim europeans from entering any Muslim land, basically make a Mecca law for all Muslim countries when it comes to white european none Muslims. oh yes not only would i ban them, id deport each and every last one of them as well.

I will cut and paste You this sentence, everytime You call someone a racist.

[Amadeus85]

Is Blackpool even religious? ;D

He's on about terrorism. Not religion/cultural reasons.

Thats why imho he is wrong in his assumptions. He only sees the consequences, not the reasons.

[M..x]

I don't get it. Why hurl comments that aktally show like you have double standards. You'd rather not comment at all. Its a proper important issue, and we've got such bad media coverage over it, with that whole waiseman adding to it and everything. We need to get eryone to cut tha Muslim's some slack, not give them more pathetic excuses. C'mon bro, I'm sure you din't mean that, buh still... =S. Raah. Think before you post... No seriously.

[The_Prince]

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Spain, Portugal, Sicily, Cyprus, Greece, Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Russia, Armenia, Croatia.



I will cut and paste You this sentence, everytime You call someone a racist.

you can cut and paste all you want, but how about you quote the CONTEXT. i am doing this in response to white racists as yourself, funny you missed that point. buttttttt oh i forgot white european racists like yourself can talk all you want about not letting Muslims in, but when a Muslim say ok if its like that then the same to you, then i become the racist? dont think so buddy, as i said, the script doesnt go according to how you white european racists would like it.

so i repeat, if you white european none Muslims dont want to allow Muslims in, want immigration stopped, or want Muslims to be the last one in, then Muslim countries should ban and deport every white none muslim european.

whats more funny is my own statement shows im saying that in response to you racists, did you miss the part where i said:

but Muslims should learn from this as well

did you miss that part of my statement, lol, dont think every Muslim is a soft nice person who will deal with racists like yourself with kindness and respect, because im not one of them, i will give you the same medicine of your own preaching, and no doubt i stand by what i said, all Muslim countries should start banning every single white european none Muslim from entering their lands, so to give you racists a taste of your own medicine.

even the Quran says, fight the nonebelievers as they fight you, it doesnt feel good now does it?

[The_Prince]

I don't get it. Why hurl comments that aktally show like you have double standards. You'd rather not comment at all. Its a proper important issue, and we've got such bad media coverage over it, with that whole waiseman adding to it and everything. We need to get eryone to cut tha Muslim's some slack, not give them more pathetic excuses. C'mon bro, I'm sure you din't mean that, buh still... =S. Raah. Think before you post... No seriously.

i mean it 100%, give them their own medicine, and furthermore this will be good for Muslims, it will create more jobs for Muslims, make Muslims rely on Muslims, i would much rather give a job to a Muslim who is qualified than a none-Muslim who will come in, make his huge money, then run out when he gets bankrupt because of his greediness as is happening in the UAE. not only do they run out of the country but start bad mouthing it and creating propaganda out of it!

why should white none muslim racists be able to say no Muslims into our countries, but i have to tolerate an influx of white none Muslim immigrants into Muslim countries? sorry i dont go by that motto.

and to insult to injury these peoples countries are OCCUPYING our countries!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats like the icing on the cake of their insult.

[GuestFellow]

You're trying too hard pal. You don't seem to see the point that I make. I feel immigrants from the MIDDLE EAST and SOUTH ASIA are more of a threat than Europeans as some arrive here with deep hatred. The Polish don't come here inciting hatred. THIS is why I have formed a strong opinion of non Europeans.It's not racism. It's not Islamophobia, it's a dislike of terrorism.

I'm against ALL immigration as it's coming out of my pocket for starters, but above all I am against immigrants coming here from the likes of Pakistan, Iran, Syria etc. There is alot of hatred for the West in this region and there are many that would be willing to travel to the West to "teach the West a lesson."

As stated, my views on South Asian and Middle Eastern immigration differ that from European for the reasons I have stated.

You have to keep in mind only a very small minority of individuals have a grudge against Britain and would carry out terrorist attack. You should not let the action of one individual be applicable to the entire population. The vast majority of citizens in Iran, Pakistan and Syria are normal and would not harm British civilians.

Let's say what you stated was implemented in reality. It would not work nor would it make any sense. Firstly I never heard of any country establishing a policy that prevents an entire region of people entering their country. It sounds extreme and impractical.

In total your suggesting that 28 countries including Israel which dominates the marketing industry are banned from visiting the UK since you stated that no one can visit Britain if they're from South Asia or the Middle East. This is all based on an action of few individuals. Most countries would think UK has finally lost it.

The vast majority of people visiting Britain from the Middle East or South Asia are normal people looking to be educated, finding a job or on holiday.

It's not racist, it's not Islamophobia and it's not tackling terrorism. It is ridiculous. Does not make sense. It is overreacting. Britain has faced many terrorist attacks from the IRA but it does not prevent Irish people from visiting the UK.

I agree that probably we have to strengthen UK immigration laws but not based on where you come from. It is based on how they can contribute to society, whether Britain has enough resources to handle mass immigration and some other factors can be taken into a consideration. If they have criminal convictions then they should not enter Britain unless if it is minor speeding offense.

Now finally if you feel strongly about terrorism then you have to take into account of the mistakes the UK government have made. They got involved with the Middle East, killed thousands of civilians, established corrupt government with help of certain other countries, supported America when they gave weapons to the Taliban and this is how Osama Bin Laden managed to get these weapons and used them against your country and your allies. Now tell me, who should you be really angry at? Muslims never started the problem, it was in fact Western countries and not enough is done to highlight Western countries past mistakes.

[M..x]

i mean it 100%, give them their own medicine, and furthermore this will be good for Muslims, it will create more jobs for Muslims, make Muslims rely on Muslims, i would much rather give a job to a Muslim who is qualified than a none-Muslim who will come in, make his huge money, then run out when he gets bankrupt because of his greediness as is happening in the UAE. not only do they run out of the country but start bad mouthing it and creating propaganda out of it!

why should white none muslim racists be able to say no Muslims into our countries, but i have to tolerate an influx of white none Muslim immigrants into Muslim countries? sorry i dont go by that motto.

and to insult to injury these peoples countries are OCCUPYING our countries!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats like the icing on the cake of their insult.

Yeah, I'd love to live in a Muslim country around Muslims 24/7 buh tha fact is you have to accept you're living in tha UK, around non-Muslims (that be Black/White/Yellow/Pink Blahblah) and if your preaching that tha UK and other European states should be multi cultural, then you have to stick with that view and tolerate people from all different backgrounds. I'm not saying your completely wrong, buh its not a good approach to go by.

Its not about WHITE racists bro, its abouh RACISTS, why do we have to differenciate by colour? Racists have no rights to say that, it SHOULD be a two way thing, buh its not. Buh you have to accept that this is just tha wurld we live in.

I think personally, immigration is a worldwide problem as you've illustrated buh I also think each country should have tha right to control how many people come in and out of it, but not based on their culture/religion like Griffin is promoting. I dunna, maybe I'm not making any sense...

[M..x]

Guestfellow. You laid tha smackdown bro =P. Wickad post. =) Exactly wha I'm tryna say...

[Amadeus85]

Prince, I'm not a racist and I have either said or expressed it many times on this forum, so You can give a break with Your emotional and unserious accusations.

[The_Prince]

Prince, I'm not a racist and I have either said or expressed it many times on this forum, so You can give a break with Your emotional and unserious accusations.

you can claim your not racist, but indeed you are, maybe not consciously.

[Amadeus85]

you can claim your not racist, but indeed you are, maybe not consciously.

You can become a psychologist, if You know better what other people think. Congratulations.
If so I claim that You are a fan of Lady Gaga.

[julesfly]

Prince I actually agree with you about what blackpool said and understand this is an emotional subject.But you have to be carefull not to use the same sort of generalisations in your argument that you are criticising in him as this makes you just as bad.

[nocturnal]

Blackpool, i do see your point regarding non-European immigration, and it is valid to a certain extent. But at the same time, it is a bit of sweeping generalisation to state that the majority of non-European immigrants come to the UK with a deep seated hatred for everything it stands for. Thats quite untrue. Actually, it's the opposite, most people i know from the Middle East and the Sub-continent, quite admire the UK, it's customs, its culture of tolerance, the transparency and accountability that characterize the political system, etc.

You cannot conflate disillusionment with foreign policy, with a total hatred for the country as a whole, this is a patent falsity which is unfortunately, perpetuated by the media. Immigrants who come to this country contribute alot. Those who gain legal status work hard and gruelling hours, pay taxes, are instrumental in the development of infrastructure projects and on the whole assimilate fully into the British way of life. It's one of the reasons that London for example, is such a vibrant, dynamic, city where nationalities from all over the world converge and it is a cultural melting pot.

And in terms of those who like Griffin states, are here "for our benefits", unquestionably the highest number are actually British born and bred. Or NEETS as they are known. The type of youths and truants you would expect to see hanging around in high streets consuming cheap alcohol, smoking, peddling drugs, assaulting other people etc. This is according to the government's own statistics.

Im not being an apologist for non-European immigrants, some of them, quite astoundingly do come here, claim benefits, and actually then muster up the temerity to criticize the UK and encourage subversion against it by radicalising young, impressionable Muslims growing up in a climate of pervasive and rabid Islamophobia.

I think we need a balanced and objective perspective of the situation with immigration and its supposed ramifications on British society, although i remain convinced that people coming here, seeking a dignified life, fleeing persecution, etc who obtain legal status, work and live here in full accordance with the law cannot be held as scapegoats for the failings of the political class.