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AnonymousPoster
11-12-2009, 11:10 PM
Assalaamu Alaikum Rahmatullaha Wa Barakatahu,

Pirating is on the rise and wanted to ask is Pirating Haram.

JasakAllahu Khair
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ardianto
11-13-2009, 03:26 AM
Do you mean pirating software, design, etc ?.

There are many fatwas haram for piracy in many countries, but I don't know how many Muslim who obey these fatwas.

I think not easy to stop piracy if the price of original version is still high.
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Sampharo
11-13-2009, 12:51 PM
Or are you talking about high seas piracy?!
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ardianto
11-13-2009, 01:09 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Sampharo
Or are you talking about high seas piracy?!
You right. Maybe the OP talking about piracy on sea.

Okay anonymous, I want to ask you. Is robbery halal ?.
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AnonymousPoster
11-13-2009, 11:57 PM
I wanna know about like Software.(I.E games,software,music,movies etc......),

Stealing is Haram.
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Dagless
11-14-2009, 12:12 AM
Not entirely true but...

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Mkuk786
11-14-2009, 03:31 AM
lol nice drawing interesting :D ?????
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Hamza Asadullah
11-14-2009, 05:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by AnonymousGender
Assalaamu Alaikum Rahmatullaha Wa Barakatahu,

Pirating is on the rise and wanted to ask is Pirating Haram.

JasakAllahu Khair
Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb, my brother do NOT listen to anyone who tries to tell you that this deception and cheating is permissable or allowed. They are just decieving themselves and decieving you at the same time. He who makes haram into halal is out of the fold of Islam. It is VERY dangerous for people to call what is not permissable permissable.

If you had a business for which you relied on for income, selling software and you knew of a person who bought your software and started making mass copys of it and selling it cheaper than you by undercutting your prices therefore resulting in people buying it off him instead of you then how would you feel? This cheating by making copys of your software and selling them on would surely result in your business losing out therefore affecting your income with which you rely so much on!

Cheating is one of the major evils of the society. It is because of this that many have been destroyed and some have even lost their lives. Although cheating sounds something very small, but the effect it leaves cannot be described. An entire family might die of hunger just because they were cheated. A person might loose all his wealth just because of cheating. One may loose his life just because he was cheated.

Allah dislikes cheating and the people who do it. in the Glorious Quran, Allah has warned those who indulge in cheating of dire consequences. Allah says in Surah Al-Mutaffifeen 83: 1

“Woe to Al‑Mutaffifoon (those who give less in measure and weight). Those who, when they have to receive by measure from men, demand full measure, And when they have to give by measure or weight to (other) men, give less than due” [al-Mutaffifeen 83:1]

In this verse, Allah gives severe warning to those who cheat by giving less in weights and measures. If such kind of cheating is given this kind of warning, imagine what would be the condition of a person who steals, embezzles and withholds from the people the things that are due? No doubt, they are the ones more evil than those who cheat in weights and measures.

The Prophet of Allah, Muhammad (Pbuh), warned us of cheating and issued caution to those who do it. The Prophet (Pbuh) passed by a pile of food and put his hand into it, and his fingers touched something wet. He said, “What is this, O seller of the food?” The man said, “It got rained on, O Messenger of Allaah.” He said, “Why did you not put it (the wet part) on top of the pile so that the people could see it? He who deceives does not belong to me.”

According to other reports, “He who deceives us is not one of us,” or, “He is not one of us who deceives us.” (Narrated by Muslim).

The version narrated by Al-Nawawi has wordings, “he is not one of us”, is enough warning against cheating and sufficient deterrent against indulging in this heinous sin.

Cheating and deception are despicable characteristics that are beneath a decent person. Intentionally distorting the truth in order to mislead others contradicts the values of honesty, which requires an attitude of sincerity, straightforwardness, and fairness that leaves no room for cheating, lying, trickery, or deceit. There are many texts from the Quran and the Sunnah conveying the meaning that cheating, whether the target be Muslims or non-Muslims, is forbidden.

Accepting the guidance of Islam leads a person to truthfulness, which means a person completely avoids cheating, cheating, and back-stabbing. The Prophet of Islam said:

“Whoever bears arms against us is not one of us, and whoever cheats us is not one of us.” (Saheeh Muslim)

Al-Mannaawi said: Cheating is that which mixes bad with good.

Ibn Hajar al-Haythami said: The forbidden type of cheating is when the owner of the goods knows something which, if the would-be purchaser knew about it, he would not pay that amount of money for it.

Al-Kafawi said: Cheating causes blackness of the heart and frowning on the face, hence this word (ghish = cheating or deceit) is also used (in Arabic) to refer to hatred or enmity.


According to another report, the Prophet passed by a pile of food in the market. He put his hand inside it and felt dampness, although the surface was dry. He said:

“O owner of the food, what is this?’

The man said, ‘It was damaged by rain, O Messenger of Allah.’

He said, ‘Why did you not put the rain-damaged food on top so that people could see it! Whoever cheats us is not one of us.” (Saheeh Muslim)

Muslim society is based on purity of feeling, love, sincerity towards every Muslim, and fulfillment of promises to every member of society. Its members are endowed with piety, truthfulness, and faithfulness. Cheating and deception are alien characters in contrast to the noble character of a true Muslim. There is no room in it for swindlers, double crossers, tricksters, or traitors.

Islam views cheating and deception as heinous sins, a source of shame to the one guilty of committing them, both in this world and the next. The Prophet, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, did not merely denounce them by excluding them from the Muslim community in this world, he also announced that on the Day of Judgment every traitor would be raised carrying the flag of his betrayal. A caller will cry out from the vast arena of judgment, pointing to him, drawing attention to him:

“Every traitor will have a banner on the Day of Resurrection and it will be said: This is the betrayer of so-and-so.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)

The shame of traitors – men and women - will be immense. Those who thought that their betrayal had been forgotten will find it right there, exposed for the whole world to see on banners raised high held by their own hands!

Their shame will increase even more when they meet with the Prophet of Mercy, the advocate of the sinners on that terrifying and horrible Day. Their crime is of such enormity that it will deprive them of divine mercy and the Prophet’s intercession. The Rasulallah(Pbuh) said:

“Allah said: There are three whom I will oppose on the Day of Resurrection: a man who gave his word and then betrayed it; a man who sold a free man into slavery and kept the money; and a man who hired someone, benefited from his labor, then did not pay his wages.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)

One should steer clear of all the various forms of deceit and deception present in today’s society.

Cheating is common in examinations, business transactions, and even between spouses and loved ones.

Cheating by making copys of thigns and selling them cheaper, this is clear deception anc heating. Placing a label on domestically-made products to make it seem that it is imported is a kind of fraud.

Some people give wrong advice when their council is sought and thus deceive the person who believes he is getting good advice.

An employee should do the job for what he is paid for without any deception or cheating. Rulers rig the ballot to win elections and cheat the whole nation.

Cheating between spouses and having extra-marital affairs is widespread in modern society.

A Muslim should value himself too highly to be among those who cheat or deceive perchance one might fall in the category of hypocrites about whom the Prophet said:

“There are four characteristics, whoever has all of them is a true hypocrite, and whoever has one of them has one of the qualities of a hypocrite until he gives it up: when he is trusted, he betrays; when he speaks, he lies; when he makes a promise, he breaks it; and when he disputes, he resorts to slander.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Saheeh Muslim)

Therefore, a Muslim who has true Islamic sensitivities avoids deceit, cheating, treachery, and lying no matter what benefits or profits such activities might bring him, because Islam considers those guilty of such deeds to be hypocrites.
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cat eyes
11-14-2009, 07:36 PM
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just keep away from it brother anything which involves making other pockets less is always haraam ive told muslims to keep away from but they just laughed and said aah its not a big thing
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AnonymousPoster
11-14-2009, 07:47 PM
But they do sell software for more than they should for instance someone with little income cannot go out there to buy 450 euro,dollar ETC........ Like Microsoft sells things way to high.(Plus they support Israels).
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Karina
11-14-2009, 07:48 PM
Err, just a thought....doesn't the fact it's illegal clear this one up?
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Karina
11-14-2009, 07:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by AnonymousGender
But they do sell software for more than they should for instance someone with little income cannot go out there to buy 450 euro,dollar ETC........ Like Microsoft sells things way to high.(Plus they support Israels).
I think you could safely say this about anything these days. Let's cut a long story short. Illegal copying is, yes you guessed it, ILLEGAL!
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Hamza Asadullah
11-14-2009, 07:56 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by AnonymousGender
But they do sell software for more than they should for instance someone with little income cannot go out there to buy 450 euro,dollar ETC........ Like Microsoft sells things way to high.(Plus they support Israels).
If they support Israel's (Which most products do that we all buy in the supermarket everyday) then if you feel this is wrong then don't buy any product that supports Israel not just Microsoft software.

The fact is brother you know it is wrong in your heart but you just needed others to confirm it for you. Well i hope we have done this for you now. Wrong is wrong and right is right but no one can turn a wrong into a right and right into a wrong.

The rest is upto you but in Islam we as Muslims should enjoin good and forbid evil so we are wanting all to keep away from evil so take heed and let us turn to Allah who we will return to and will have to answer to for every action that we have ever committed.
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OurIslamic
11-15-2009, 07:06 AM
It's a classic if a = b then b = c equation.

Pirating = Stealing

Stealing = Haram

Therefore, Pirating = Haram.
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Sampharo
11-15-2009, 09:51 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Karina
I think you could safely say this about anything these days. Let's cut a long story short. Illegal copying is, yes you guessed it, ILLEGAL!
Poster is not asking whether it is illegal, poster is asking if it's forbidden in Islam. Illegal is not always forbidden (like evading taxes, consensus says it can be dodged in spite of it being illegal). Additionally, the other way around is also not always the same; many things that are ethical abominations and are haram in Islam are by man law permissible, legal and all good and dandy.

I wanna know about like Software.(I.E games,software,music,movies etc......)
Consensus of scholars say it is forbidden if it is for profit (as in making copies to sell). If it is piracy as in breaking the licensing and copying for yourself, there are different opinions:

1- A few said it is still not permissible to break copyright even if for personal use.

2- Some said if the program is from muslims or non-muslims whom we have treaty with the license stands, but not from warring non-muslims and their nations, as they have no rights on us in license agreements and therefore they're not binding.

3- Some said it is permissible to break copyright if it is an informational or educational program and the person is studying, because monopolizing knowledge or information is forbidden. Some of those added fundamental utility programs (like windows) if their prices are too much for the particular person because they're required to run the knowledge and educational programs and exploitative price will limit access to that knowledge (Those who can afford should pay).

4- Some said it is permissible openly, because limitation of usage especially of concepts and knowledge-based products is not allowed. If a car company cannot forbid you from lending your car to a friend or using it as a carpool, then software companies also cannot forbid friends sharing the program or making backup copies, and if you can opt to take the bus or hitch a ride without car companies objecting to that being a "harm" to their business of selling cars, then software companies have no business making the same argument.

My humble opinion on this matter is to agree with the scholars who said as numbers 2 and 3, because they rely on proper Islamic rulings that are based on evidence. Scholars who said as Number 4 are presenting only on basis of an argument. Although it is a good one, it is still only an argument, and seems to may lead to unfairness for the people who worked hard on programs and software.

As for some new licensing jargon that prevents a person from making personal backup copies, or from using on multiple computers, vast majority of scholars said such inhibitions are unislamic in trading standards (standards of Damana {guarantee}, or impermissibility of limiting buyer's uses respectively) and therefore there is no sin in not honouring such demands because they're not allowed to be made in the first place.

And God knows best
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KAding
11-16-2009, 11:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Karina
Err, just a thought....doesn't the fact it's illegal clear this one up?
Good point. It is not permissible for Muslim to disobey the law, no?
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