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Uthman
11-13-2009, 09:03 PM
Nearly half of Britons think the military campaign in Afghanistan is actually increasing the threat of a terrorist attack on home soil, a poll said Wednesday, amid rising public criticism of the war.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown's government and military leaders have argued that defeating the Taliban in Afghanistan will help reduce the risk of an attack by extremists in the region against Britain and other Western countries.

But only 21 percent surveyed supported that view, while 46 percent said the conflict was in fact increasing the threat by creating anger and resentment among the Muslim population, according to the GFK NOP poll.

Another 14 percent believed it was making no difference to the threat, while 19 percent said they did not know either way, the poll for the Independent newspaper said.

The poll of 1,000 voters, conducted last weekend, is the latest showing falling support for British involvement in the conflict as the troop death toll rises.

The bodies of another six soldiers were given an emotional homecoming from Afghanistan on Tuesday.

The return of the coffins -- including five men shot dead last week by a "rogue" Afghan policeman they were helping to train -- marked a low point of Britain's involvement in the eight-year conflict.

The latest repatriation of bodies also came as questions grow about the Afghan mission, crystallised in a row between Brown and one dead serviceman's grieving mother.

Brown apologised to the mother of a soldier killed last month after she complained that his handwritten letter of condolence was strewn with errors.

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Supreme
11-13-2009, 10:56 PM
Another 14 percent believed it was making no difference to the threat,
I agree with this. Hate filled extremists will despise the West irregardless of what the West does; they shall try and destroy Britain whether Britain pulls out in one day or one century.
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Justufy
11-13-2009, 10:59 PM
what makes you think they'll stop if we pull out??
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GuestFellow
11-13-2009, 11:25 PM
This war is getting nowhere.
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Supreme
11-13-2009, 11:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Justufy
what makes you think they'll stop if we pull out??
It will make no difference whatsoever.
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JaffaCake
11-14-2009, 12:05 AM
What difference does it make what people in this country think? They have no real knowledge or control of the situation.
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Justufy
11-15-2009, 03:30 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by JaffaCake
What difference does it make what people in this country think? They have no real knowledge or control of the situation.
haaaaaa, let me take this as an example of classic sophistry.

What B thinks is of no importance, Because B has no control or knowledge of the situation.
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Woodrow
11-15-2009, 04:13 AM
I am trying to refresh my memory as to why we (US & UK) ever got into Afghanistan.

Oh I remember it was to save the world from Bin Laden. Now let us refresh how successful this has been. Thousands of Americans dead. Thousands of British killed, many more Afghanistan Civilians killed, even more made homeless

Bin Laden virtually untouched and pretty much forgotten.

Oh I remember we are there to rid the world of opium production, success to date, opium production is probably at an all time high.

Oh I remember, it must be to render the Taliban harmless. OOps it seems like there are now more.

Oh wait now I remember it was to get rid of the tribal war lords. Duh, how were they threatening us.

OK I give up, why the heck are we there?
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Ummu Sufyaan
11-15-2009, 10:59 AM
if there is a threat on home soil, then why not deal with it there. what the heck do people thousands of miles away have anything to do with it? what?
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JaffaCake
11-15-2009, 11:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Justufy
haaaaaa, let me take this as an example of classic sophistry.

What B thinks is of no importance, Because B has no control or knowledge of the situation.
Erm, I'm not sure what you're getting at here. What can you actually learn from asking the opinion of someone who has no knowledge of a subject?
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nocturnal
11-16-2009, 01:23 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
I agree with this. Hate filled extremists will despise the West irregardless of what the West does; they shall try and destroy Britain whether Britain pulls out in one day or one century.
I disagree with that. The prinicpal source of resentment in the Muslim world is constant intervention and occupation of Muslim countries. The agenda of organisations like Al Qai'ida is not to attack the west for as long as life goes on, but to break free of the ideological and military fetters that the Muslim world has been locked in.

The Middle East issue is the focal point here. You cannot resolve contemporary so called "Islamo-fascism" until you eradicate what is a provable and clear prevailing neo-colonial mentality among the great powers. The Soviet Union couldn't pacify Afghanistan in 10 years, NATO isn't exactly much better placed either to secure the opposite result. They are fighting an insurgency in Afghanisatan in which the guerillas are zealously seeking martyrdom. This makes defeat more certain than it was for the US in Vietnam.

Ultimately they will withdraw in humiliation, just like the US did from Vietnam and Somalia in 1993. I cannot imagine the rationale behind General McCrystal's advice to deploy thousands more troops to Afghanistan in a pitiful attempt to prop up an awfully corrupt and inept regime. You'll only end up with more military and civilian casualties.
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