How to understand that there is one god?

[Insecured soul]

Assalaam alaikum brothers and sisters.

I want that every member of this board give us one logical reason / fact to understand that there is one god, the one who is omnipotent, all mighty.

For me i think when i understand how the universe works, how the stars work and how they revolve around planets and our own galaxy milky way is so huge and there are many such galaxies with billion of stars so much of energy and power.

scientist says that around 13 billion years ago there was a bang which is known as big bang and from nothing came everything so what happend before big bang? who created it and was there no time before big bang?

for me all this is sufficient to understand that there is a creator and allah is his name so why this proof aint sufficient for people? is it because as it is said in quran that they are deaf dumb and blind and they will never return to right path?

i dont understand for people who are educated and have such knowledge to believe in idol worship, they create something with their own hands and worship.

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you adib1234; thanks for starting this thread,

I agree with you that there is one God the creator of all that is seen and unseen, this means to me that the same God hears all our prayers, whether we are Christian, Muslim, Hindu or of any other faith.

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of One God

Eric

[AlHoda]

In the Quran Allah (swt) ask us to think about his creations, so when non-muslims think about such things , they don't really think in a correct way. I don't know how to explain it, maybe Allah (swt) gave some people the ability to think about all that and under stand there is a Creator. I'm speaking here from an ignorant source, but you're right these people have a great knowledge that Allah (swt) gave them, so why they don't think the way we do? I don't know:hmm:

:wa:

May Allah (swt) bless you.

[Hamza Asadullah]

Assalaam alaikum brothers and sisters.

I want that every member of this board give us one logical reason / fact to understand that there is one god, the one who is omnipotent, all mighty.

For me i think when i understand how the universe works, how the stars work and how they revolve around planets and our own galaxy milky way is so huge and there are many such galaxies with billion of stars so much of energy and power.

scientist says that around 13 billion years ago there was a bang which is known as big bang and from nothing came everything so what happend before big bang? who created it and was there no time before big bang?

for me all this is sufficient to understand that there is a creator and allah is his name so why this proof aint sufficient for people? is it because as it is said in quran that they are deaf dumb and blind and they will never return to right path?

i dont understand for people who are educated and have such knowledge to believe in idol worship, they create something with their own hands and worship.

The message of Islam as brought by the prophets of Allah including Isa (As)is to worship only Allah and to avoid the worship of his creation either directly or indirectly.

Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begets not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (Surah 112)

God is He, than Whom there is no other god;- Who knows (all things) both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. God is He, than Whom there is no other god;- the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the Irresistible, the Supreme: Glory to God! (High is He) above the partners they attribute to Him.

He is God, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colors). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise. (59:22-24)

So let us spread to the whole of humanity till our last breath to ONLY worship the one who is worthy of worship and is meant to be worshipped and let us NEVER associate worship with NONE other but him.

Ya Allah forgive us and help us to spread your oneness to the world! Ameen

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[mariyyah]

Allah - The One and Only God

The essence of godhood is authority, whether it is conceived as sovereignty of a supernatural kind over the whole universe, or on the basis that man is bound by God's law in his worldly life and that all of His injunctions are to be complied with because they emanate from Him.

To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth. How can He have a son when He had no consort? He it is Who created all things, and He alone has full knowledge of all things; That is God, your Lord! No god there is but He, the Creator of all things; Then give your worship to Him; And He it is Who looks after the safety and well-being of all. (Quran 6:102-103)

Lord - Concept and History
A perspective and analysis based on the Holy Quran on the concept of Lord God(Rabb in Arabic) in Islam and some other religions and how it was understood by various nations in history.
The Most Beautiful Names belong to Allah

The most beautiful names belong to God: so call on Him by them; but shun
such men as use profanity in His names: for what they do, they will soon be requited. (The Holy Quran, 7:180)


Concept of Lord God by the Jews and Christians

After Pharaoh's people, the next in historical order are the Israelites and those people who adopted the Jewish religion or Christianity. In their case, there can obviously be no question about their either not acknowledging the existence of God or not believing in His being the Ilah and the Rabb. The Qur'an itself affirms their belief in Him on the point and the question which therefore arises is of the particular error for which they were characterized in the Qur'an as "those who went astray". (Quran 1:7)

A brief answer is:

Say (O' Muhammed): "O' people of the Book: Do not exaggerate concerning your faith, and adopt not the wrong notions of those who have gone astray before you, who misled many others, and themselves too strayed from the straight path." (Quran 5:77)

From this, one may conclude that, in essence, the Jews and Christians too were guilty of the same error into which others had fallen earlier, and that in their case this arose out of exaggerated piety. Let us go into the matter in some detail, with the help of the Qur'an:

(i) And the Jews said: "Uzair (Ezra) is son of God, while the Christians said, "Isa (Jesus) is son of God." (Quran 9:30)

(ii) It was kufr on the part of Christians, to say that God was the same as Jesus son of Mary; though Jesus had himself said, for a fact, "O' sons of Israel, give your 'ibadah to Allah. Who is also your Rabb and my Rabb." (Quran 5:72)

(iii) Verily those who said 'that God is one of three, committed kufr, for there is but one Ilah and there is no ilah but He. (Quran 5:73)


(iv) And there will come a time (the Day of Judgment) when God will ask "O' Jesus, son of Mary, did you tell people to take you and your mother as ilahs besides Myself?" to which Jesus will reply, "Glory be to you! How could I have dared say that which I had no right to utter!" (Quran 5:116)

(v) It is not for any person that, after being given the Book, and being endowed with hikmah [Literally, this word means wisdom; but when used in reference to a Prophet, it means that special wisdom which comes automatically after investment with the office of Prophethood, and which enables the Prophet to understand and expound the implications, and requirements of the Divine Injunctions. A. A. Maududi] and invested with Prophethood, he should go about telling people to give up God and instead give their allegiance and 'ibadah to him. Far more fitting it is that he should say: "Believe firmly in Allah as the Rabb (in every sense of the word), as you find it written in His Book, and as you learn of yourselves and teach others." Nor, again, is it for a prophet to tell the people to regard the angels and the prophets as rabbs. Would he enjoin kufr to you after you have become Muslims? (Quran 3:79-80)

What we learn from the relevant verses is that the first error of the Jews and Christians was to raise their Prophets, and saints, and the angel, etc., to the status of divinity out of exaggerated regard for them, to believe them to have a say in the ordering of the universe and its affairs, to worship and address their prayers to them, treat them as partners in rububiyyah and in godhood in the supernatural sense, and to believe that they could remit their sins and come to their rescue and protect them from misfortune and disasters.

Their second error lay in their making even their scribes and hermits into rabbs, besides God (cf.9:31). In other words, the people whose real function was to expound God's law to others, and to reform the people morally and spiritually to make their conduct conform to Divine precepts were gradually assigned authority to determine, on their own, what was to be treated as forbidden and what as permitted, without reference to what was said in the Book. They could forbid any practices they did not approve, and institute any others they fancied. And in this way both Jews and Christians fell into the same two basic errors as that into which the people of Prophets Nuh and Ibrahim (on whom both be peace), the 'Aadites and the Thamud and the people of Madyan and others had fallen earlier. Like them, they too made the angels and their religious leaders to be partners with God in Rububiyyah in the supernatural sense, and in moral, cultural and political spheres too. And so they began to take their cultural, economic, moral and political principles from human beings, disregarding the Divine injunctions, until they reached a stage about which the Qur'an says:

Have you noticed the people who were given a portion of the Book of God, but who (instead of making it the basis for their conduct), believed in jibt and taghoot? (Quran 4:51)

Say (O' Muhammad): "Shall I tell you who are worse as to their ultimate fate with Allah than even the fasiqs [A fasiq, according to the Qur'an is one who breaks his covenant with Allah, who severs the ties between Him and His creatures and between man and man, and who creates mischief upon earth (cf. note in Tafhim-ul-Qur'an. Vol.1. p.61. relative to 2-27-2). A. A. Maududi]. It is those who drew the curse of God upon them, those who invited His wrath, and of whom many were turned into apes and swine by His Command, and who gave their worship to taghoot; they are the lowest in degree, and the farthest astray from the straight path." (Quran 5:60)

The word jibt is a comprehensive term for all myths and superstitions, embracing such superstitious things as magic, the art of the occult, black magic, necromancy, witch-craft, soothsaying, divination, the belief in talismans or lucky stones or unlucky colors or numbers or natural phenomena, etc., or in the influence of the heavenly bodies on human affairs. As for taghoot, this term applies to every person, or group of persons, or organization or institution which, instead of submitting to God and His Injunctions, rebels against them and virtually sets up himself or itself as god instead, or is so set up by people. So when the Jews and Christians committed the two errors indicated above, the result of the first was that different kinds of superstitious beliefs took hold of their minds and of the second that their scribes and hermits, etc., gradually came to assume the same right to tell people what to do and what not as had been presumConcept of Lord God in Islam

Allah - The One and Only God - Lord - Concept and History
Concept of Lord God in Islam

The foregoing detailed exposition of the misguided conceptions of various pre-Islamic people make it patently clear that from earliest times to the revelation of the Qur'an, none of those whom it mentions as the transgressors, the misguided, and the astray, actually denied the existence of God, or His being the Rabb and the ilah. All, however, went wrong in much the same ways in dividing the attributes of rububiyyah, in its five different senses, into two separate compartments.

Insofar as such attributes of Allah as His being the Cherisher, the Provider, and the Protector and Helper of the creatures in the transcendental sense were concerned, the people regarded them as something apart from the rest. And, although in this sphere they did regard Allah as the Supreme Rabb, they also believed that the angels and various gods, the genii, and invisible forces, the stars, and other heavenly bodies, the Prophets and saints and other holy men, also had different shares in this rububiyyah.

As for the remaining attributes, namely, Allah's being the Supreme Sovereign, the Fountainhead of authority, the Supreme Law-giver, and the Supreme Lord of all creation etc., the people either assigned these roles wholly to particular human beings or, while assigning them to God in theory, in practice treated the entire rububiyyah in moral, cultural, and political spheres as vesting in these beings.

It was for the task of removal of both these types of misconceptions that there were ordained all the different Prophets from time to time (may peace be upon them) and, finally, Allah sent Muhammad (peace be upon him), as His last Prophet. All of the Prophets called to man to believe that there was but one Rabb, that is, Allah, in all of the various senses of the word, and that rububiyyah was not divisible nor was any portion of it available to any creature. The management and control of the universe, they emphasized, was centered is One Authority only, the Authority Who alone had created it, entirely to His own Grand Design and purpose, and Who exercised both de jure and de facto rule over all its affairs, and no-one had any share either in the creation or the running of the universe. As the Center of all authority, God alone was and is the Rabb, in all the senses of the word, both in transcendental matters and the temporal affairs of men. He alone was and is worthy of all worship, of being made the focus of all adoration and prayer. He alone listens to all prayers and He alone is worthy of our reliance and capable of providing for the needs of all too. He alone is at the same time the King, the Lord of the Universe and the source of all law and authority, and He alone has therefore the right to lay down what is right and what is wrong and what ought or ought not to be done. It is in the very nature of things a misconceived notion to think of rububiyyah as something which could be split up into compartments. It is an essential, and exclusive attribute of Allah and; hence, obviously and necessarily indivisible.

This call of the various Prophets (on whom be peace), is brought out in the Qur'an in many a place, e.g.:

Verily, your Rabb is Allah (alone)-He Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and then established Himself on the Mighty Throne; He it is Who draws the night as a veil over the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession; the sun and the moon, and the stars are all subservient to His Law and Commands; Verily, it is patent that all creation is His, and authority too vests in Him, and Most Blessed is he, the Lord of all the Worlds. (Quran 7:54)

Ask them (O Prophet), "Who is it who provides sustenance for you from the heavens and the earth? Is it He in Whose power are hearing and sight, and Who brings forth the living from the dead and the dead from the living, and Who rules and regulates all affairs?" (If you ask) they will say, "It is Allah (Who does all this)." Ask them, then, "Wherefore, then, do you not fear Him (and change your ways)?" (Say): "Such is Allah, your real Rabb and true, and, apart from Truth, what remains but error, and so wherefore do you get turned astray?’ (Quran 10:31,32)

He (it is Who) created the heavens and the earth in Truth; He it is Who makes the night overlap the day and the day overlap the night, and made, the son and the moon subservient (to His Law), each one following a course till an appointed time … such is God, your Rabb; His is the Kingdom and there is no ilah but He; and why, then, do you keep getting turned away? (Quran 39:5-6)

Allah it is Who made the night for you that you may find rest and peace in it, and the day in which you are enabled to see ... Such is Allah, your Rabb Creator of every thing. There is no ilah but He; so why are you deluded into straying? ... Allah it is Who made the earth a place for you to live and rest upon, and the sky a roof over you, and gave you shapes; and good shapes at that, and provided for your provision good and wholesome food; such is Allah, your Rabb, and, so, blessed be He, the Lord of all the Worlds. He alone is the Living (One); there is no ilah, but He and to Him alone then address all your prayers. (Quran 40:61-65)

And Allah (it was Who) created you from clay…He merges night into day and day into night, and made the sun and the moon obey His Law, each following its course until an appointed timer Such is Allah, your Rabb; in Him vests all Sovereignty, while those; on call to besides him possess no such authority; and if you call upon them, they hear not your call and if they did they would not make any reply and, on the Day of Judgement, they will (to you discomfiture), (but) repudiate (and disown) your association of them with God. (Quran 35:11,13-14)

And to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth, and all are abjectly obedient and subservient to Him..., He propounds to you a similitude from your own (experience): Has any of your slaves a share in owning any of the things which We have bestowed upon you? Do they equal right, with you in the ownership and use of these things? Do you fear them as you fear your equals? Thus do we expound arguments to point the way to reality to those with wisdom and understanding, but wrong-doers merely follow their own baseless notions… Therefore (O' Prophet, and those of you who believe in him), set your face steadily and truly to the Faith; establish God's handiwork according to the pattern on which He has read, mankind; no change let there be in the work wrought by Him. This is the straight and correct road, but many among mankind know this not. (Quran 30:26,28,20,30)

And, (the wrongdoers) did not appreciate God (and His attributes) in proper measure, and (they will see that) on the Day of judgment He will hold the earth in his fist, and the heavens will be rolled-up in His right hand; blessed is He and far above the (supposed) partners they associate with Him. (Quran 39:67).

And praise all is due to Allah alone, the Rabb of the heavens and the Rabb of the earth, and Rabb of all the Worlds; and to Him belongs all Greatness and Glory throughout the heavens and the earth; and He is exalted in Power, and the All-Wise. (Quran 45:36,37)

He is the Rabb of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them; so give your 'ibadah to Him (O' Prophet) and remain steadfast in your worship of Him; (and) do yen know of aught like Him? (Quran 19:65)

And Allah (alone) knows the hidden realities of the heavens and the earth, and to Him are referred all matters, so give your 'ibadah to Him (alone), and rely not upon any but Him. (Quran 11:123)

He is the Rabb of the East and of the West; No ilah there is but He, and so entrust all your affairs unto Him (alone). (Quran 73:9)

Verily this brotherhood of yours (that is, of all the prophets) is a single brotherhood, and I am your Rabb, wherefore give your 'ibadah to Me. Men have apportioned rububiyyah and the duty of 'ibadah on their own (without any sanction from Us), and all of them will, ultimately, return to Us. (Quran 21:92-93)

Obey that which has been sent down to you from your Rabb, and do not obey others besides Him (as supposed protectors or guardians). (Quran 7:3)

Say (O Prophet): "O people of the Book: Pledge your creed to that which is common between us and you, that we do not give our 'ibadah to any but Allah and that we associate none with Him, and that we do not asks any human being a rabb besides Him. (Quran 3:64)

Say (O Prophet): I seek refuge with the (Sole) Rabb of all mankind, the (Sole) Monarch over all mankind, and the (Sole) Ilah of all." (Quran 114:1-3)

So whosoever looks forth to meeting his Rabb let him do pious deeds, and associate not any with his worship of Him. (Quran 18:110)

The foregoing verses bring out as clearly as possible that the Holy Qur'an uses rububiyyah as exactly synonymous with sovereignty, and the concept of Rabb it presents is that Allah is the Absolute Monarch of all creation, and its sole Lord and Master, and, as such:

He is our Cherisher and Provider and Sustainer, and of all that constitutes creation; It is He Who looks after all our needs, governs all our affairs, and is alone worthy of our entrusting all our affairs to His discretion; It is by virtue of this very attribute that faith. in Him is the only right basis on which to build up the structure of human life in proper manner, and attachment only to His central Personage is capable of bringing together different individuals and groups and forming them into an Ummah.

He alone is worthy of the 'ibadah, and submission, and worship, of all humanity and other creatures; and He alone is the Lord, Master, and Ruler, of ourselves, and all else besides.

The pagans, whether Arabs or others, have always committed the error, which continues even today, of splitting up the comprehensive concept of rububiyyah into its five facets as if they could exist separately or be vested in different beings. The Qur'an lives most cogent and irrefutable arguments that the Universe is one, and that there is no room in it at all for Supreme Authority and rububiyyah vesting in any but the same Being. The very fact that the universe is subject to one supreme law shows that rububiyyah is reserved solely for Allah, Who alone brought the universe into existence. Therefore, whoever attributes any portion of rububiyyah to any but Him seeks but to depart from or ignore the ultimate fundamental Reality, to turn away from the Reality of the universe, to rebel against Truth, and, by thus going against what exists, only brings loss to himself and ultimate disaster.


ed by those who were open rebels against God.

[Dagless]

We are intelligent. We are limited. We didn't create ourselves or the universe. There must be a cause/something more intelligent which did... something at the top of the chain. One thing.

Assalaam alaikum brothers and sisters.

I want that every member of this board give us one logical reason / fact to understand that there is one god, the one who is omnipotent, all mighty.

For me i think when i understand how the universe works, how the stars work and how they revolve around planets and our own galaxy milky way is so huge and there are many such galaxies with billion of stars so much of energy and power.

You might want to read that book again ;)

[mariyyah]

For me adib1234 shouldnt ask this question if he is a muslim , he should have no doubt about ALLAH SWT , Its really make me mad , even the christians and jews have no doubt about the existence of ALLAH SWT

[Raudha]

I think it is essential that this question be asked by the brother if it bothers him, so that he may clarify his doubts and strengthen his Imaan. After all, Allah says that we should ask the people of knowledge if we do not know.

I also know that it does not make him any less of a mislim by asking the question. Remeber the story of Ibraheem (AS) when he asked Allah to show him how He brings the dead back to life? Certainly that did not cast Ibraheem (AS) out of the fold of Islam because his INTENTION was not disbelief.

[mariyyah]

I think it is essential that this question be asked by the brother if it bothers him, so that he may clarify his doubts and strengthen his Imaan. After all, Allah says that we should ask the people of knowledge if we do not know.

I also know that it does not make him any less of a mislim by asking the question. Remeber the story of Ibraheem (AS) when he asked Allah to show him how He brings the dead back to life? Certainly that did not cast Ibraheem (AS) out of the fold of Islam because his INTENTION was not disbelief.

You can have a doubt about anything in this world but only you should not have a doubt about the existence of ALLAH SWT , Its crazy to think even about it and now even you dont leave ALLAH SWT in a peace bringing his perfect name to the discussion , Allah gives you hidayat inshallah

[Fטлку]

^ Marriyah, Islam isn't a religion which has to be followed blindly. It requires from its followers to ask questions if they have any doubts.
So please let them have their doubts cleared. Otherwise this will end up like the Racism thread. :peace:

[Dagless]

For me adib1234 shouldnt ask this question if he is a muslim , he should have no doubt about ALLAH SWT , Its really make me mad , even the christians and jews have no doubt about the existence of ALLAH SWT

The brother was not doubting the existance of Allah, he was just stating the reasons he believes that there is only one God.

You can have a doubt about anything in this world but only you should not have a doubt about the existence of ALLAH SWT , Its crazy to think even about it and now even you dont leave ALLAH SWT in a peace bringing his perfect name to the discussion , Allah gives you hidayat inshallah

Not too many people can have blind faith like that, mashAllah that you do. Most of us get weak and sometimes find it necessary to have logical arguments as to why we believe what we do. Even if we aren't weak these discussions are nice because they can make the answer even clearer.

[mariyyah]

The brother was not doubting the existance of Allah, he was just stating the reasons he believes that there is only one God.



Not to many people can have blind faith like that, mashAllah that you do. Most of us get weak and sometimes find it necessary to have logical arguments as to why we believe what we do. Even if we aren't weak these discussions are nice because they can make the answer even clearer.

I think the weakness to ask this questions came from the sheytan because hes the only one makes people have doubts of ALLAH SWT but we should be more stronger than him and to fight against even thinking of this question , It is nice to know about the islam and how to practise the islam but there is no excuse to have a question or doubt about ALLAH SWT , even ask any child in the world he will reply you there is no god but ALLAH SWT and thats enough for you to not think about it and look around you to ALLAH SWT Creations and you can understand everything , For me this topic can make some people lost and think stupid things which we dont need to give them opportunity about it and believe me it will open a dangerous ideas may ALLAH SWT never forgive us about it , Be careful ALLAH SWT is watching us and listening to us and writing in our books what we are saying now , Good luck i cannot add more than that

[Muslim Woman]

:sl:

Assalaam alaikum brothers and sisters.

I want that every member of this board give us one logical reason / fact to understand that there is one god, the one who is omnipotent, all mighty.

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God has not taken to Himself any son, nor is there any god with Him: For then each god would have taken of that which he created and some of them would have risen up over others." (23:91)

[Eliphaz]

For me, the concept was made especially clear by comparative religion speakers like Shabir Ali and Zakir Naik. If there was more than one God, there would be discord and some kind of epic power struggle going on, which would not permit the universe we live in with its fine-tuned laws and constants, to exist. It would be absolute chaos.

The argument against God's existence, on the other hand, popularised by Dawkins and others, argues that for natural selection to exist, God serves no real 'utility function'. Any system, be it natural selection or any other, must have an origin. Also, this argument falls down again when we talk about the origin of the universe and the Law of Constants which came into existence at Planck's moment (aka the big bang). Who set these constants?

[kamran javed]

We are intelligent. We are limited. We didn't create ourselves or the universe. There must be a cause/something more intelligent which did... something at the top of the chain. One thing.



You might want to read that book again ;)

dear its a logical and analatical answer just GOD is doing every thing . understand .if GOD wish then man r ill if GOD wish human r die. mean every thing is GOD wishing .
dear don
t ask this question u know about GOD .

[Dagless]

dear its a logical and analatical answer just GOD is doing every thing . understand .if GOD wish then man r ill if GOD wish human r die. mean every thing is GOD wishing .
dear don
t ask this question u know about GOD .

I'm not sure how that was relevant to my post but thanks for quoting me anyway ;)

[Danah]

I want that every member of this board give us one logical reason / fact to understand that there is one god, the one who is omnipotent, all mighty.

You passed by a very nice building, everything seems to be very well made, high quality even inside the building...everything is accurate and worked according to the most advanced technologies.
The first thing that will come to your mind will be: "who is the genius that engineered/made this masterpiece??"

Its the same with the universe. Everything is very accurate running. The day is after the night. the heat and cold, the living beings and how species (human, animals, plants) are depending on each other in a very amazed way. The deserts and forests each with its own living beings. The life circle....people born others died. Even the creation of the human being inside the mother womb with a very accurate stages from a drop of a blood to a complete human being............how can all those running without a "starter". How can the universe "which we are still exploring till now with all advanced technologies we have" stay under control without a controller?

Even for those who believe in the big bang theory!! can't they asked themselves who did caused the big bang?? Even for the evolution supporter if they wanna hold on their thought that strongly, can't they asked themselves how come those living beings evolved without a being!!

I always found this story of Abu Hanifah with the Atheists very interesting (its long but really worth reading till the end!!):

Long ago in the city of Baghdad, there was a Muslim empire. On one side of the River Tigris were the royal palaces and on the other side was the city. The Muslims were gathered in the Royal Palace when an athiest approached them. He said to them, 'I don't believe in God, there cannot be a God, you cannot hear Him or see Him, you're wasting your time! Bring me your best debator and I will debate this issue with him.'
The best debator at the time was Imam Abu Hanifah Rahimullah. A messenger from amongst the Muslims was sent over the River Tigris to the city, where Abu Hanifah Rahimullah was, in order to tell him about the athiest who was awaiting him. On crossing the River Tigris, the messenger conveyed the message to Abu Hanifah Rahimullah saying, 'Oh Abu Hanifah, an athiest is waiting for you, to debate you, please come!' Abu Hanifah Rahimullah told the messeneger that he would be on his way.
The messenger went over the River Tigris once again and to the Royal Palaces, where everyone including the athiest awaited the arrival of Abu Hanifah Rahimullah. It was sunset at the time and one hour had passed, but Abu Hanifah Rahimullah still hadn't arrived. Another hour had passed, but still there was no sign of him. The Muslims started to become tense and worried about his late arrival. They did not want the athiest to think that they were too scared to debate him, yet they did not want to take up the challenge themselves as Abu Hanifah Rahimullah was the best of Debators from amongst the Muslims. Another hour passed, and suddenly the athiest started laughing and said, ' Your best debator is too scared! He knows he's wrong, he is too frightened to come and debate with me. I gurantee he will not turn up today.'

The Muslims increased in apprehension and eventually it had passed midnight, and the athiest had a smile on his face. The clock ticked on, and finally Abu Hanifah Rahimullah had arrived. The Muslims inquired about his lateness and remarked, 'Oh Abu Hanifah, a messenger sent for you hours ago, and you arrive now, explain your lateness to us.'
Abu Hanifah Rahimullah apologises for his lateness and begins to explain, while the atheist listens to his story.

'Once the messenger delivered the message to me, I began to make my way to the River Tigris, and on reaching the river bank I realised there was no boat, in order to cross the river. It was getting dark, and I looked around, there was no boat anywhere nor was there a navigator or a sailor in order for me to cross the river to get to the Royal Palaces. I continued to look around for a boat, as I did not want the athiest to think I was running away and did not want to debate with him.
I was standing on the river bank looking for a navigator or a boat when something caught my attention in the middle of the river. I looked forward, and to my amazement I saw planks of wood rising to the surface from the sea bed. I was shocked, amazed, I couldn't believe what I saw seeing. Ready made planks of wood were rising up to the surface and joining together. They were all the same width and length, I was astounded at what I saw.
I continued to look into the middle of the river, and then I saw nails coming up from the sea floor. They positioned themselves onto the boat and held the planks together, without them being banged. I stood in amazement and thought to myself, 'Oh Allah, how can this happen, planks of wood rising to the surface by itself, and then nails positioning themselves onto the boat without being banged?' I could not undertsand what was happening before my eyes.'

The athiest meanwhile was listening with a smile on his face. Abu Hanifah Rahimullah continued, 'I was still standing on the river bank watching these planks of wood join together with nails. I could see water seeping through the gaps in the wood, and suddenly I saw a sealant appear from the river and it began sealing the gaps without someone having poured it, again I thought, 'Ya Allah, how is this possible, how can sealant appear and seal the gaps without someone having poured it, and nails appear without someone having banged them.' I looked closer and I could see a boat forming before my eyes, I stood in amazement and was filled with shock. All of a sudden a sail appeared and I thought to myself, 'How is this happening, a boat has appeared before my eyes by itself, planks of wood, nails, sealant and now a sail, but how can I use this boat in order to cross the river to the Royal Palaces?' I stood staring in wonderment and suddenly the boat began to move. It came towards me against the current. It stood floating beside me while I was on the river bank, as if telling me to embark onto it. I went on the boat and yet again it began to move. There was no navigator or sailor on the boat, and the boat began to travel towards the direction of the royal palaces, without anyone having programmed it as to where to go. I could not understand what was happening, and how this boat had formed and was taking me to my destination against the flow of water. The boat eventually reached the other side of the River Tigris and I disembarked. I turned around and the boat had disappeared, and that is why I am late.'

At this moment, the athiest brust out laughing and remarked, 'Oh Abu Hanifah, I heard that you were the best debator from amongst the Muslims, I heard that you were the wisest, the most knowledgable from amongst your people. From seeing you today, I can say that you show none of these qualities. You speak of a boat appearing from nowhere, without someone having built it. Nails positioning themselves without someone having banged them, sealant being poured without someone having poured it, and the boat taking you to your destination without a navigator against the tide, your taking childish, your talking rediculous, I swear I do not belive a word of it!'

Abu Hanifah Rahimullah turned to the athiest and replied, 'You don't believe a word of it? You dont believe that nails can appear by themselves? You dont believe sealant can be poured by itself? You dont believe that a boat can move without a navigator, hence you don't believe that a boat can appear without a boat maker?'
The athiest remarked defiantly, 'Yes I dont believe a word of it!'
Abu Hanifah Rahimullah replied, 'If you cannot believe that a boat came into being without a boat maker, than this is only a boat, how can you believe that the whole world, the universe, the stars, the oceans, and the planets came into being without a creator?
The athiest astonished at his reply got up and fled.

i dont understand for people who are educated and have such knowledge to believe in idol worship, they create something with their own hands and worship.

Agreed!!
Creating something with ones hands and then worship it!! what a self degrading is this!

people at the pagan ages in Arabia before Islam came were making some idols from dates, and in some certain times, they ate them when they feel hungry :hmm:

[Insecured soul]

For me adib1234 shouldnt ask this question if he is a muslim , he should have no doubt about ALLAH SWT , Its really make me mad , even the christians and jews have no doubt about the existence of ALLAH SWT

relax sister its not that i have question about existance of allah, offcourse i am a muslim and proud to be and i do have imaan though its weak but still i pray whatever allah wishes to take away from me he can but never take my imaan as its the only thing which will help me in qiyama

and these aint doubts, its just learning hope now u understand what i mean:)

[Insecured soul]

I think it is essential that this question be asked by the brother if it bothers him, so that he may clarify his doubts and strengthen his Imaan. After all, Allah says that we should ask the people of knowledge if we do not know.

I also know that it does not make him any less of a mislim by asking the question. Remeber the story of Ibraheem (AS) when he asked Allah to show him how He brings the dead back to life? Certainly that did not cast Ibraheem (AS) out of the fold of Islam because his INTENTION was not disbelief.

yep thats what i mean and i have some other related questions which il ask soon:) hope our sisters wont be angry:)

[Insecured soul]

You can have a doubt about anything in this world but only you should not have a doubt about the existence of ALLAH SWT , Its crazy to think even about it and now even you dont leave ALLAH SWT in a peace bringing his perfect name to the discussion , Allah gives you hidayat inshallah

sister it aint a doubt thats a wrong word u used right there, as u see new things our mind wanders but allah is haq, he is there for sure but still u ask to understand it properly

so dont get crazy coz no one is getting crazy

[mariyyah]

sister it aint a doubt thats a wrong word u used right there, as u see new things our mind wanders but allah is haq, he is there for sure but still u ask to understand it properly

so dont get crazy coz no one is getting crazy

As a real muslim you are not allowed even to think about anything relating with the perfect ALLAH SWT nor our prophet MOHAMMED SAAS but you can learn anything in the islam as a religion but please far from ALLAH SWT and our prophet MOHAMMED SAAS because even thinking is a sherk

[Danah]

As a real muslim you are not allowed even to think about anything relating with the perfect ALLAH SWT nor our prophet MOHAMMED SAAS but you can learn anything in the islam as a religion but please far from ALLAH SWT and our prophet MOHAMMED SAAS because even thinking is a sherk

sis, sorry but I disagree with that strongly. When someone get such questions and then ask about what he is thinking and then got the answer to that then his Iman will grow even more than what it was when he has those wonders.

As for the brother's questions, I don't see anything wrong with him asking so he can strengthen his Iman. He didn't touch any aspects of the perfection of Allah Azza Wa Jal. Its required to ponder over the creation of Allah and see how can this universe be created in such a very accurate way, its even mentioned in Quran here:

إِنَّ فِي خَلْقِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ وَاخْتِلافِ اللَّيْلِ وَالنَّهَارِ لآيَاتٍ لأُولِي الأَلْبَابِ (190)الَّذِينَ يَذْكُرُونَ اللَّهَ قِيَامًا وَقُعُودًا وَعَلَى جُنُوبِهِمْ وَيَتَفَكَّرُونَ فِي خَلْقِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ رَبَّنَا مَا خَلَقْتَ هَذَا بَاطِلا سُبْحَانَكَ فَقِنَا عَذَابَ النَّارِ(191)

Lo! In the creation of the heavens and the earth and (in) the difference of night and day are tokens (of His Sovereignty) for men of understanding, (190) [Such as remember Allah, standing, sitting, and reclining, and consider the creation of the heavens and the earth, (and say): Our Lord! Thou createdst not this in vain. Glory be to Thee! Preserve us from the doom of Fire. (191)

[Al-Imran:190-191]

So even Allah want us to think about what is around us sis so we will strengthen our faith!!

[mariyyah]

sis, sorry but I disagree with that strongly. When someone get such questions and then ask about what he is thinking and then got the answer to that then his Iman will grow even more than what it was when he has those wonders.

As for the brother's questions, I don't see anything wrong with him asking so he can strengthen his Iman. He didn't touch any aspects of the perfection of Allah Azza Wa Jal. Its required to ponder over the creation of Allah and see how can this universe be created in such a very accurate way, its even mentioned in Quran here:

إِنَّ فِي خَلْقِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ وَاخْتِلافِ اللَّيْلِ وَالنَّهَارِ لآيَاتٍ لأُولِي الأَلْبَابِ (190)الَّذِينَ يَذْكُرُونَ اللَّهَ قِيَامًا وَقُعُودًا وَعَلَى جُنُوبِهِمْ وَيَتَفَكَّرُونَ فِي خَلْقِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ رَبَّنَا مَا خَلَقْتَ هَذَا بَاطِلا سُبْحَانَكَ فَقِنَا عَذَابَ النَّارِ(191)

Lo! In the creation of the heavens and the earth and (in) the difference of night and day are tokens (of His Sovereignty) for men of understanding, (190) [Such as remember Allah, standing, sitting, and reclining, and consider the creation of the heavens and the earth, (and say): Our Lord! Thou createdst not this in vain. Glory be to Thee! Preserve us from the doom of Fire. (191)

[Al-Imran:190-191]

So even Allah want us to think about what is around us sis so we will strengthen our faith!!

He can look at ALLAH SWT creations as i said in my ex post but hes not allowed to have any doubt about the existence of ALLAH SWT

[Danah]

^^ Aren't we humans? Aren't we have our weak faith times? Thats why looking and pondering over Allah's creation is a way to clear up any doubts we may have.

whatever you want, but stop confusing people here please. Try to be very accurate and up to the point and also backed up with proofs.

[mariyyah]

[QUOTE=Danah;1249997]sis, sorry but I disagree with that strongly. When someone get such questions and then ask about what he is thinking and then got the answer to that then his Iman will grow even more than what it was when he has those wonders.

As for the brother's questions, I don't see anything wrong with him asking so he can strengthen his Iman. He didn't touch any aspects of the perfection of Allah Azza Wa Jal. Its required to ponder over the creation of Allah and see how can this universe be created in such a very accurate way, its even mentioned in Quran here:


[RIGHT]إِنَّ فِي خَلْقِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ وَاخْتِلافِ اللَّيْلِ وَالنَّهَارِ لآيَاتٍ لأُولِي الأَلْبَابِ (190)الَّذِينَ يَذْكُرُونَ اللَّهَ قِيَامًا وَقُعُودًا وَعَلَى جُنُوبِهِمْ وَيَتَفَكَّرُونَ فِي خَلْقِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ رَبَّنَا مَا خَلَقْتَ هَذَا بَاطِلا سُبْحَانَكَ فَقِنَا عَذَابَ النَّارِ(191)

Lo! In the creation of the heavens and the earth and (in) the difference of night and day are tokens (of His Sovereignty) for men of understanding, (190) [Such as remember Allah, standing, sitting, and reclining, and consider the creation of the heavens and the earth, (and say): Our Lord! Thou createdst not this in vain. Glory be to Thee! Preserve us from the doom of Fire. (191)

[Al-Imran:190-191]

So even Allah want us to think about what is around us sis so we will strengthen our faith!!

Assalamou Alaikoum Warahmatou ALLAH Taala Wabarakatou sister danah

Allah exists. There is no doubt about His existence. He exists without being attributed with a manner of being (how) or a place. No creation resembles Him, and He is not comparable to any of them. Suratu-Ibrahim, Ayah 10 means, “There is no doubt about the existence of Allah.” The Prophet, sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam said, “Allah existed eternally, and nothing else existed.” (Related by al-Bukhariyy and others.)

[Hamza Asadullah]

He can look at ALLAH SWT creations as i said in my ex post but hes not allowed to have any doubt about the existence of ALLAH SWT

Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb, there is no harm in asking questions and seeking answers my sister for people are here to seek advice support and gain some knowledge and not be criticised for doing so.

We should try to help and support them best we can and not let our emotions always take over because we our intentions of being here should be to please Allah and we are merely informers and cannot guide anyone but Allah is the ONLY one who can guide.

[mariyyah]

Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb, there is no harm in asking questions and seeking answers my sister for people are here to seek advice support and gain some knowledge and not be criticised for doing so.

We should try to help and support them best we can and not let our emotions always take over because we our intentions of being here should be to please Allah and we are merely informers and cannot guide anyone but Allah is the ONLY one who can guide.

Iam frustrate because ADIB1234 is a muslim and as we are muslims we shouldnt have any doubt or questions about ALLAH SWT because ALLAH SWT is the superior and the perfect


These questions like that and you see it normal in your opinion can give a dangerous ideas to other sick mind people to think wrong things so better stop it and go ask for something can help us to to gain ALLAH SWT love and do good deeds

[Raudha]

Sister, the brother clarified his intentions here:

yep thats what i mean and i have some other related questions which il ask soon:) hope our sisters wont be angry:)

sister it aint a doubt thats a wrong word u used right there, as u see new things our mind wanders but allah is haq, he is there for sure but still u ask to understand it properly

so dont get crazy coz no one is getting crazy

relax sister its not that i have question about existance of allah, offcourse i am a muslim and proud to be and i do have imaan though its weak but still i pray whatever allah wishes to take away from me he can but never take my imaan as its the only thing which will help me in qiyama

and these aint doubts, its just learning hope now u understand what i mean:)

Perhaps you may have missed that :?

:peace: :peace: :peace:

[Hamza Asadullah]

Iam frustrate because ADIB1234 is a muslim and as we are muslims we shouldnt have any doubt or questions about ALLAH SWT because ALLAH SWT is the superior and the perfect


These questions like that and you see it normal in your opinion can give a dangerous ideas to other sick mind people to think wrong things so better stop it and go ask for something can help us to to gain ALLAH SWT love and do good deeds

My sister there is nothing wrong with what he asked you have clearly misinterpreted what he has said. Please sister calm yourself and do not let your emotions take over. If there is some haraam said or soemthing contrary to the teachings of Islam then one can make a stand but he has not said anything contrary to Islam at all. Please read carefully next time, jazakallah khayran sister.

[linuses]

The belief in only One Creator is not all there is to a proper belief in God. Throughout history, it has been the case that some people stopped at this clear premise and deemed that such was all there was to the belief in God. This beleif is definitely necessary but not sufficient. This belief must be followed up with the rejection of worshipping others instead of God, or along with Him. Then, and only then that a person will be fulfilling what it truly means to believe in One God. The most important message that God revealed to mankind is that there is nothing divine or worthy of being worshipped except Him. This is the very essence of the divine message brought by all the prophets, and it is what Islam really is all about – to worship One God alone.

Quote from "Towards Understanding Islam" - http://linuses.blogspot.com

[mariyyah]

My sister there is nothing wrong with what he asked you have clearly misinterpreted what he has said. Please sister calm yourself and do not let your emotions take over. If there is some haraam said or soemthing contrary to the teachings of Islam then one can make a stand but he has not said anything contrary to Islam at all. Please read carefully next time, jazakallah khayran sister.

Brother hamza81 go please to his post and here is his question he said :I want that every member of this board give us one logical reason / fact to understand that there is one god, the one who is omnipotent, all mighty.


He was asking every member of this borad to give him one logical reason /fact to understand that there is one god ?

That mean hes not satisfy and he has a doubt thats why he was asking for reasons next time dont insult me regarding the language because may be i cannot write good english but i understand very good

[Raudha]

^That doesn't necessarily mean that he is not satisfied and convinced in the oneness of Allah. He could also be using it to prove to others the unity of Allah.

Think about the people who study the creation of Allah in detail. Did they all do it because they doubted the oneness of Allah? Does Allah encourage only those who doubt His existence and oneness to travel through the earth and observe the beauty and precision of His creation? CERTAINLY NOT :peace:

[Danah]

Assalamou Alaikoum Warahmatou ALLAH Taala Wabarakatou sister danah

Allah exists. There is no doubt about His existence. He exists without being attributed with a manner of being (how) or a place. No creation resembles Him, and He is not comparable to any of them. Suratu-Ibrahim, Ayah 10 means, “There is no doubt about the existence of Allah.” The Prophet, sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam said, “Allah existed eternally, and nothing else existed.” (Related by al-Bukhariyy and others.)

Wa Alykom Asalam warahmatuAllah wa barakatuh sis mariyyah.

You are right, there is no doubt on us muslims about the existence of Allah, but as I said in my post #24 above your post, that we do have our weak moments as human being and the Shaytan came to us whispering to weaken our faith, but when we look around us and ponder over the creation we realize that there is a mighty power behind all of that our iman get increased, thats why Allah gave us minds and brains to think and ponder over what is around us, not only follow blindly.

That mean hes not satisfy and he has a doubt thats why he was asking for reasons next time dont insult me regarding the language because may be i cannot write good english but i understand very good

dear sis in Islam. Please don't misinterpret the brother post. he already said that here:

sister it aint a doubt thats a wrong word u used right there, as u see new things our mind wanders but allah is haq, he is there for sure but still u ask to understand it properly
so dont get crazy coz no one is getting crazy

Sister? if you want, I can translate to you what he meant in Arabic. Just let me know....I will be more than happy to help inshaAllah

[Insecured soul]

Brother hamza81 go please to his post and here is his question he said :I want that every member of this board give us one logical reason / fact to understand that there is one god, the one who is omnipotent, all mighty.


He was asking every member of this borad to give him one logical reason /fact to understand that there is one god ?

That mean hes not satisfy and he has a doubt thats why he was asking for reasons next time dont insult me regarding the language because may be i cannot write good english but i understand very good

sister u should read properly what others are saying, the way ur talking ur making me feel that i dont believe in allah pls dont do that i do believe and im proud of it and also i believe that this imaan is the best gift, so where is the doubt? there is no doubt

i started this post to understand more and to be more close to allah swt

[Insecured soul]

read sister danah's post and the story she posted and that was enough to make people understand and it was logical.

forgive us all allah swt if we made any mistakes and bring us all together and increase our faith in believing u and always keep increasing it

ameen ya rabb

[mariyyah]

read sister danah's post and the story she posted and that was enough to make people understand and it was logical.

forgive us all allah swt if we made any mistakes and bring us all together and increase our faith in believing u and always keep increasing it

ameen ya rabb

Ameen INSHALLAH

[Dagless]

Iam frustrate because ADIB1234 is a muslim and as we are muslims we shouldnt have any doubt or questions about ALLAH SWT because ALLAH SWT is the superior and the perfect


These questions like that and you see it normal in your opinion can give a dangerous ideas to other sick mind people to think wrong things so better stop it and go ask for something can help us to to gain ALLAH SWT love and do good deeds

Are you saying we are not allowed to ask for logical reasons as to why God exists? By saying such a thing you should provide proof that this is the case. The verses provided so far do not mention this.

Even though the brother has said repeatedly that he has no doubts lets assume for a moment that a Muslim who had geniune doubts asked such a question. By saying he is not allowed to ask it would only make his doubts grow and push him from the faith. By giving him a logical answer based outside of religion we will inshAllah give a push in the right direction.

Lastly there are Muslim philosophers (past and present) who's study and work is based on religion. Is this also not allowed? Avicenna is a good example of a Muslim who lived in the Islamic empire and looked at the existance of God (amongst other things).

[bewildred]

In the middle of the night, after hours and hours of wondering if Allah existed, a man went outside his tent. He rose his arms and said:"Allah, please, I want to witness a real miracle".

In a very near tent, a woman gave birth to a baby. The baby started crying. The man, didn't even notice.

"Just a sign you exist". A huge thunder came to break the night's silence.....

"Just one touch, please, Allah!!!". A little butterfly softly caressed his cheek. He chased away with his hands.

He sighed and with a very deep sorrow, he returned to his tent.

[THE END]

Assalaam alaikum brothers and sisters.

I want that every member of this board give us one logical reason / fact to understand that there is one god, the one who is omnipotent, all mighty.

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It is by sound reason i know that God exists,

its obvoius this world is an incredibly organized place. From the human cell and how it develops and is coordinated with the rest of the body, to the incredible precision of the solar system and the earth’s atmosphere.

the universe is not an directionless, uncontrolled, chance collection of matter rather it has a purpose directed towards human life and has been designed with the greatest precision.

Hawkings in his book brief history of time writes

“If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have recollapsed before it ever reached its present size”

Hence sound reasoning tells me that these are not random events,
and if they are not random, then they are organized,and organization requires someone's specification and power to give specifications and realize them without exception.

The one that has the power to create this incredible cosmos cannot be attributed with any weaknesses.

It is by sound reason i know that That God is one, without a partner or an equal, and is attributed only with attributes of perfection.

having a partner implies need; the need for help, the need to overpower or the need to make concessions. Having a need is a weakness, and the Creator must be free from that.

[Woodrow]

I may be reading the question wrong. The way I see the question is it is addressed to those of us who believe there is only one God(swt) and we are being asked to give our understanding as to why we believe there is only one God(swt)

To begin with i will give my reason for knowing there is only one God(swt).

1. Only Allaah(swt) has revealed Himself to us throuh the Qur'an and the Prophets(PBUH) In the Qur'an Allaah(swt) has told us he has no partners or equals. For me that is sufficient to know there is only one God(swt)

Now from my human view point how do I understand there is only one God(swt). God(swt) by definition is omnipotent. If more then one God(swt) existed, he wold not be omnipotent as the powers would be shared. Also as stated in an earlier post if more than one God(swt) existed there would be a stuggle between them and chaos would reign without us ever being created. We were created so we know chaos does not reign, therefore there can only be one God(swt)

[Insecured soul]

I may be reading the question wrong. The way I see the question is it is addressed to those of us who believe there is only one God(swt) and we are being asked to give our understanding as to why we believe there is only one God(swt)

To begin with i will give my reason for knowing there is only one God(swt).

1. Only Allaah(swt) has revealed Himself to us throuh the Qur'an and the Prophets(PBUH) In the Qur'an Allaah(swt) has told us he has no partners or equals. For me that is sufficient to know there is only one God(swt)

Now from my human view point how do I understand there is only one God(swt). God(swt) by definition is omnipotent. If more then one God(swt) existed, he wold not be omnipotent as the powers would be shared. Also as stated in an earlier post if more than one God(swt) existed there would be a stuggle between them and chaos would reign without us ever being created. We were created so we know chaos does not reign, therefore there can only be one God(swt)

The question was actually addressed to people who follow different faith.

I see that this whole thread provides a lot of answers, thank u all brothers and sisters