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Gossamer skye
The true message of God is what dwells inside the believers, that is what the comforter brought.. you are literal and perverting of meaning I assume for the same reason you take men for gods and charlatans for saints..
What about the fact that Peter quotes Joel 2: 28?
'And it shall come to pass afterward,
that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.'
Joel doesn't say anything about a Comforter here, he says God will pour out his Spirit. The Holy Spirit being poured out on Pentacost is the fulfillment of this.
format_quote Originally Posted by
Gossamer skye
Either way it really doesn't matter, I don't know why it should be an issue.. that is your belief.. & you have failed to validate it so that it is sensical the Church is compromised with paganism and secularism and incomprehensible theology which is exactly why it struggles within itself constantly reforming and constantly failing as well struggles with every new ideology that springs for its principles are at odds with sound practical judgment and science.. You are free to believe that god has three heads and the third head is a hovering ghost that lives in you!
all the best
You misunderstand. Firstly, not everyone who calls themselves Christians are truly Christs. Jesus himself said it this way:
'Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name have done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity (hidden sin).' Matthew 7: 21-22.
Jesus won't say, I knew you but you backslid. He will tell them that he never knew them period. And these are people who are going around supposedly casting out devils. It all comes back to whether or not you are living a life that is pleasing in the sight of the Lord, a life that he fully enabled you to live because you came to him.
Also, the body of Christ is diverse. That partially answers your concern. Here is what Paul said:
1Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits (demons or devils); to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14For the body is not one member, but many.
15If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
25That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
1 Corinthians 12
Also here:
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12
For now we see through a glass, darkly, but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
1 Corinthians 13: 9-12.
No Christian down here is ever going to come to a complete understanding of doctrine and theology. Now, that doesn't mean that heresies don't exist, because they do. But rather, even if you are truly Christian you still won't understand everything. And lastly, here's what Jesus said.
'And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.' Luke 9: 49-50.