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anonymous
11-30-2009, 05:05 PM
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Im sorry I didnt know where to post this but I need answers as I am very confused.. maybe this seems obvious and clear to u but I dont know how to answer this question I got from a classmate when I tried to make dawah to the whole class.. we had religion and we were discussing Islam and I saw it as dawah time aNd then alhamdulilah some understood what I was saying and it made sense to them until we got to a question one girl asked.. She said a muslim have to make complete submission to Allah and as a muslim if you live in the west you can intergrate into to the society due to that.. the question she asked was

How can a religion based on submission/obedicance to the Creator be integrated into a liberal society where the indv choice and freedom is in the center??

Please if u have answer post it would help me a lot.. Jazakallah kheir!!
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Hamza Asadullah
11-30-2009, 10:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by anonymous
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Im sorry I didnt know where to post this but I need answers as I am very confused.. maybe this seems obvious and clear to u but I dont know how to answer this question I got from a classmate when I tried to make dawah to the whole class.. we had religion and we were discussing Islam and I saw it as dawah time aNd then alhamdulilah some understood what I was saying and it made sense to them until we got to a question one girl asked.. She said a muslim have to make complete submission to Allah and as a muslim if you live in the west you can intergrate into to the society due to that.. the question she asked was

How can a religion based on submission/obedicance to the Creator be integrated into a liberal society where the indv choice and freedom is in the center??

Please if u have answer post it would help me a lot.. Jazakallah kheir!!
Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb, In a society strife with immoral vices (immoral and evil habits) Islam can improve and enhance all the virtues while eliminating -- or, at least, minimizing -- the vices.

In a society where alcohol is the number one cause of criminal death and injury; where alcohol costs billions of dollars each year in medical expenses and property damage; where alcohol consumption causes the death of hundreds of thousands of people annually; where alcohol is a major cause of rape and domestic violence -- Is there any faith more able than Islam to prevent all the ills of alcohol?

In a society still tormented by racial strife; where "black" churches are continuously fire-bombed by bigots of all kinds; where one rarely sees a black person in a "white" church or a white person in a "black" church -- Islam has so much to offer because Islam does not tolerate the very idea of a "black" mosque or a "white" mosque; Islam obliges believers to stand together in one line, shoulder to shoulder and foot to foot, and prostrate their foreheads to God so that they learn they are all humble servants of the Almighty.

In a society where violence against women has risen to alarming proportions, where it is not safe for women to walk alone in the dark, where even institutions of higher learning have to provide 'walk home service' to protect women on campus at night - Islam has much more to contribute than escort services or karate lessons. Islam does implant modesty and sense of propriety in the minds of the believers, Islam eradicates vulgarity, and Islam eliminates any possibility that men view women as sex objects.

In a society as violent as the United States where some 25000 lives are taken every year by handguns alone; where 5% of the world population consume 50% of the world's illegal drugs despite the arrest of some 700,000 drug dealers every year; where a car is stolen every few seconds; where a woman is raped every few minutes - Islam has a lot more to offer than merely putting more cops in the streets. Islam teaches that prevention is better than cure and that crime can best be reduced by taking care of the family, the community, and the neighbourhood. Islam attaches great esteem and honour to the role of the mother because when she takes proper care of her children, the whole society benefits. Islam reminds the fathers of their duties, encourages the neighbours to take care of each other's needs, strengthen community bonds, advocates commanding what is right and forbidding what is wrong instead of apathy and individualism. Islam always eliminates problems from their roots.

In a society afflicted with intense individualism, excessive materialism, fierce consumerism, and unabashed sensualism; Islam has the intellectual and the spiritual power required to rectify all the excesses of the society because Islam preaches moderation and balance in all worldly and other-worldly affairs.

The influence of Islam is not limited to the social and moral domains; it extends to the political, economic, legal, cultural, and educational realms as well. Two examples should suffice.

In the realm of politics: the egalitarian(equality-no lower or upper class) nature of Islam requires major reforms in the way democracy is practiced in the society today. As it stands, the existing democracy is elitist and lopsided in favour of the wealthy, the powerful, and the special interests. The average person almost has no meaningful say in how things are run by the elite. This state of affairs falls far short of the ideal of mutual consultation in all affairs advocated by Islam.
In the realm of economics: capitalism left unregulated has a tendency to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. In a period of ten years only (1978-1987) the poorest fifth of the American population got 8% poorer while the richest fifth got 13% richer. This is the nature of capitalism; wealth breeds more wealth, sometimes even without any effort or creativity. Islam obliges all rich people to pay part of their wealth annually to the poor so that the wealth gets redistributed in the society in order to protect the poor from perpetual poverty and give them a fair chance to compete in a world dominated by the tyranny of capital.

There is so much in Islam that can truly make the West, and indeed the whole world, a safer, better, and more decent place to live in. Islam is a formidable force with potential great enough to revolutionize the world and radically change the course of history as it once did some 1400 years ago.
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cat eyes
11-30-2009, 11:51 PM
i cannot even understand the question she asked dose not make sense to me:><:
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Ummu Sufyaan
12-01-2009, 03:54 AM
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How can a religion based on submission/obedicance to the Creator be integrated into a liberal society where the indv choice and freedom is in the center??
her question is a little misplaced and needs to be clarified from a couple of angles.

1. everyone (Muslim or not) at any given time and place is bound to adhere to one form of ideology or another becuase essentially, human nature and people are the same, it is the way we manifest this nature, that differs. for example you will find every most men of every walk of life to love women. however, some choose to act on this love, whilst others choose to restrain themselves.

so to say that people with "individual freedom of choice" aren't in submission/obedience, is flawed becuase essentially, one who doesn't submit to a creator, is still submitting and adhering to some form of ideology.

so yes, that's just it, isnt it? you are going to submit and obey to something.

2. submission to Allah does in NO WAY denote that we aren't free. submission to allah and abiding by His rules and laws means that we abide by a set of laws, just like any society and place. it is ridiculous to assume that submission and obdience denotes there is no freedom of choice and speech. there are definatley limitations though, as there are in societies were so-called democracy/freedom of speech is boasted...there is still very much restriction in what we can/cant say as well. see this


3. secular and religious laws cannot be one entity. ever. you are ruled by one or the other. so, she is right, a religion based on submission/obedience to the Creator can never be integrated into a liberal society where the "individual choice and freedom" is in the center. at the same time however, this is not to say that submission and obedience to a creator nullifies freedom of speech. :shade:
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Seeker1066
12-01-2009, 04:00 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hamza81
Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb, In a society strife with immoral vices (immoral and evil habits) Islam can improve and enhance all the virtues while eliminating -- or, at least, minimizing -- the vices.

In a society where alcohol is the number one cause of criminal death and injury; where alcohol costs billions of dollars each year in medical expenses and property damage; where alcohol consumption causes the death of hundreds of thousands of people annually; where alcohol is a major cause of rape and domestic violence -- Is there any faith more able than Islam to prevent all the ills of alcohol?

There is so much in Islam that can truly make the West, and indeed the whole world, a safer, better, and more decent place to live in. Islam is a formidable force with potential great enough to revolutionize the world and radically change the course of history as it once did some 1400 years ago.
This was an excellent well written response. I commend you on this post. I myself found it compelling and struck a common sense chord within me.

Thanks for posting it,
Troy
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mariyyah
12-01-2009, 10:12 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Seeker1066
This was an excellent well written response. I commend you on this post. I myself found it compelling and struck a common sense chord within me.

Thanks for posting it,
Troy
Thats good to hear and i hope you become a muslim because the islam is the best religion in the world
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