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AlexJ90
12-26-2009, 01:30 PM
I am getting a dog for protection purposes, a guard dog.

However i have heard that if it only licks vessells for eating and drinking, then you have to wash it 7 times etc. However if it licks YOU or your clothing, then its not a problem.

Dr Bilal Phillips, stated this on this video please watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcQv0uKSDAU

Apparently its a misconception of many muslims, that if a dog licks you then you must wash 7 times etc, however apparently it looks like its only regarding vessels of which you eat and drink from.

What are you views on Dr Bilal Phillips

Salamolaykum.
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Hamza Asadullah
12-26-2009, 06:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by AlexIslam
I am getting a dog for protection purposes, a guard dog.

However i have heard that if it only licks vessells for eating and drinking, then you have to wash it 7 times etc. However if it licks YOU or your clothing, then its not a problem.

Dr Bilal Phillips, stated this on this video please watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcQv0uKSDAU

Apparently its a misconception of many muslims, that if a dog licks you then you must wash 7 times etc, however apparently it looks like its only regarding vessels of which you eat and drink from.

What are you views on Dr Bilal Phillips

Salamolaykum.
Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb, There are three main views according to the four Mujtahid imaams.

The First View: The first view is that of the Maliki scholars, who hold that a dog is pure even its saliva.

The Second View: The second view is attributed to the Shafi`i school and one of two narrations from Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal. They are of the opinion that a dog is impure even its fur.

The Third View:The third view is ascribed to the Hanafi school and the other narration from Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal. They maintain that a dog's saliva is impure while its fur is pure.

The majority of scholars hold the third view. There is an authentic hadith which also confirms this:

Abu Hurayrah reported that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Purifying a container that a dog licks is done by washing it seven times, the first time with pure soil (that is, water mixed with earth until it becomes muddy)." (Reported by Muslim, Ahmad, Abu Dawud, and Al-Bayhaqi). If a dog licks a pot that has dry food in it, what it touches and what surrounds it must be thrown away. The remainder may be kept, as it is still pure. As for a dog's fur, it is considered pure."

According to Islam QA:

Islam does not enjoin anything but that which is good for people, and it does not forbid them anything but that which is harmful to them. But this wisdom is known to those who know it and it is unknown to those who do not know it. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) enjoined washing vessels that have been licked by a dog, and that is only because its saliva is impure. Modern science has proven that there are several harmful things in water from which a dog has drunk. The Muslim who follows the command of sharee’ah has no choice but to obey the command, and refrain from that which is forbidden, even if he does not know the reason behind it and there is nothing wrong with trying to find out the reason behind it, but he should not make his compliance dependent upon knowing the reason.

Some of these diseases are transmitted because of going against the command of Islam, and eating and drinking from vessels used by dogs, and some of them are transmitted because the dog carries germs that cause these diseases.

Whatever the case, the Muslim hears and obeys, and goodness is found in responding to sharee’ah by doing what is commanded and avoiding what is forbidden.

And Allaah knows best.

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According to Mufti Ebrahim Desai:

All creatures are the creation of Allah Taãla and do deserve the recognition of being a creation of the Almighty. As much as Muslims detest even the sight of pigs - it is the creation of Allah Taãla - and because Allah has placed life into it, we cannot inflict pain nor torture the pig.

Similarly Allah Taãla created the dog from among His creation. This does not mean that we should love the dog. It is perhaps the indoctrination of the Western culture that 'The dog is Man's best Friend'. The theory that 'dogs are very dependent on Human affection' is a myth - again culture and custom has helped to develop this unnatural behavior.

Allah Taãla the Creator of this Universe - having created the dog would surely have known that the dog requires Human affection and love to exist in this world. Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam) would have advised us to keep dogs as pets. On the contrary, we are instructed not to keep dogs as pets and 'love' them as exemplified by the non-Muslims. Remember our life is structured and bound by the Shariah i.e. The Noble Qurãn and the beautiful example of Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam). Consider these Ahaadith:

Sayyidna Abu Talha (Radhiyallaahu Ánhu) reports that Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, "Angels do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or an animate picture. (Sahih Bukhari Hadith no. 2986)

Sayyidna Ibn Abbas (Radhiyallaahu Ánhuma) reports from Sayyidna Maimoona (Radhiyallaahu Ánha) that once Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam) became sad; and said that Jibra'eel (Álayhis Salaam) promised to meet him at night but did not turn up. "By Allah what has kept him back," said the Prophet (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam). Then he realised a puppy was under his bed. He ordered that the puppy be removed and the area be sprinkled with water. In the afternoon when Jibra'eel (Álayhi Salaam) came, Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam) enquired as to the delay. Jibra'eel (Álayhi Salaam) said that we, the group of Angels do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or pictures. (Sahih Muslim Hadith no.3928)

In the light of these Ahaadith and other narrations it is not permissible to keep dogs as pets. The household is deprived of the Mercy of Allah Taãla.

However, Jurists have stated that it is permissible to keep a dog for security purposes, farming and hunting.

The saliva of a dog is Najis (impure). If it touches the clothes or body, that portion also becomes impure and must be washed. And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

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zakirs
12-26-2009, 09:55 PM
i guess brother hamza has explained it all .. best of luck with your doggie bro :) ..
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AlexJ90
12-27-2009, 09:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by zakirs
i guess brother hamza has explained it all .. best of luck with your doggie bro :) ..
thanks bro.......
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AlexJ90
12-27-2009, 09:13 PM
Hamza.. bro you state that the third view is the correct one...i also agree. but bro..what confuses me is that Dr Bilal Phillips stated in his video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcQv0uKSDAU)
that if a dog only licks the vessels you drink or eat from, then they must be washed 7 times etc...which makes sense as obviously we might eat or drink out of those vessels our mouth would come into contact with it...so its logical...it makes sense.., BUT he also states that its a misconception that many muslims believe that if the dog licks their jeans for example, then the jean must be washed...which according to Dr Phillips is not true?

Is Dr. Phillips correct in that sense?
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Hamza Asadullah
12-27-2009, 11:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by AlexIslam
Hamza.. bro you state that the third view is the correct one...i also agree. but bro..what confuses me is that Dr Bilal Phillips stated in his video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcQv0uKSDAU)
that if a dog only licks the vessels you drink or eat from, then they must be washed 7 times etc...which makes sense as obviously we might eat or drink out of those vessels our mouth would come into contact with it...so its logical...it makes sense.., BUT he also states that its a misconception that many muslims believe that if the dog licks their jeans for example, then the jean must be washed...which according to Dr Phillips is not true?

Is Dr. Phillips correct in that sense?
According to the vast majority of scholars only the saliva of a dog is Najis (impure). The dry body of a dog is not impure. If the dog’s mouth touches the body or the clothes, only the affected parts should be washed. It is not compulsory to wash the whole body and the whole garment. If any part of the dogs dry body touches one, nothing is needed to be washed. If the dogs body is moist, the parts touched by the moist body should be washed.
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AlexJ90
12-27-2009, 11:58 PM
ok thanks for the reply.. it seems that some scolars, for example dr phillips has a different view and teaches a slightly different approach to this issue...

thanks for the reply tho akhi
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Hamza Asadullah
12-28-2009, 12:09 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by AlexIslam
ok thanks for the reply.. it seems that some scolars, for example dr phillips has a different view and teaches a slightly different approach to this issue...

thanks for the reply tho akhi
Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb,

Yes my brother you will always get scholars differing on fiqh issues but it is always best to go with the vast majority of scholars rather than those who choose a different stance that is not held by many. For it is better to be on safe grounds rather than to put ourselves in doubt or uncertainty.

and Allah knows best
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