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What do you say to them? I need proof.. i cant beleive it that people actually beleive this. And furthermore, as controversial as it is, do shias believe this aswell? why do shias have different books to follow than tha ahlus sunnah wal jumah? sureley they were ONLY compiled in sahih bukhari/muslim/tirmidhi etc... so why do they make references to books i havent even heard of?:cry::embarrass
Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb, Brother 'Abd-al Latif has pasted some good refutations against their false claims.
Refuting these heretics is very simple. I myself have caught out these deviants on many occassions. I spent a long time refuting them in another forum which i later found out was run by Hadith rejectors. I only carried on refuting them for worry over the young Muslims who used that forum for i did not want them to get confused and misled by the evil, lies and deciet of these kaafir.
It is not appropriate to call them Qur'anists because they reject the words of Allah not uphold them. Allah clearly tells us to obey the messenger.
They are in fact followers of two people who started their kaafir group. There group was started by the British empire when they ruled India in order to split up the Muslims into sects. One of their agents was Sir Syed Ahmed who started this kaafir ideology. Later on Ghulam Ahmed Parvez along with Allama Iqbal finished his ideology and created this group calling themselves "Tolu e Islam". These people are in fact called 'Parvezi's' in Pakistan and have been deemed kaafir by all the scholars of islam.
All you do is ask them: How did the Qur'an come to them? Did Allah's Messenger (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) or Jibreel came to them to their homes to give to them or did it come via mutwatir ahadith (authentic historical accounts)?
Why do they accept one and reject the other? If they are questioning the authenticity of the Prophets(Pbuh) words then in fact they are questioning the authenticity of the Qur'an because the Qur'an and hadith were compiled by the same people. So there is no logic in their arguement just emotinal fallacies.
Ask them to tell you where in the Qur'an does it tell us how to pray? Where does it tell us how to give Zakah? Where does it tell us how to do Hajj?
They have NO answers to these questions! Instead they dodged me and carried on cutting and pasting vast nonsense from their hadith rejector websites.
I remember i gave a hadith rejector a whole article on how to pray Salah according to the Sunnah and when i asked the Qur'anist "Now tell me where does it say how we pray Salah in the Qur'an"? He ignored and dodged my questions until the very day i was banned from that forum from the hadith rejector moderators. They have no answers to questions like this.
Main problem with progressive methodology, which is upheld by these hadith rejecters, modernists and kuffaar, is that it is a hypocritical methodology and not to mention that it lacks common sense and rationally and logically flawed.
These hadith rejectors have been refuted again and again but they are blind and their hearts are sealed.Whoever Allah guides then no one can misguide and whoever Allah misguides then no one can guide!
It is best just to refute them 2 or 3 times and then leave it to Allah and make dua that Allah guide them to the straight path.
Remember we can only inform the best we can and it is ONLY Allah that guides. Unfortunatley there will always be people like this with erroneaous and heretical views who are out of the fold of Islam.
May Allah guide them to Islam. Ameen