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جوري
01-06-2010, 12:35 AM
:sl:

I guess westerners can never really get away from the porn and sadistic-exhibitionistic roots that they love so much (the sort we have seen at abu gharib) how far erased from memory?.. not only are these scanners in violation of child-pornography laws (just search google) but they are really basically aimed at Muslims and I am pretty sure they'll restrict it to profiled people (Muslims) or those they wish to see naked!

If you want to go make pilgrimage or whatnot, be prepared to nullify your efforts to the gawking eyes of dog ****s at the airports!

7asbona Allah wa'ni3ma alwakeel!
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Cabdullahi
01-06-2010, 12:39 AM
Im going to wear aluminium pants because to be honest its ridiculous, i believe they've been planning for this a long time it just needed something to sway the public

what will they do if the next time the terrorist puts explosives in places i wont mention here , what will happen then ?
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CosmicPathos
01-06-2010, 12:40 AM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
:sl:

I guess westerners can never really get away from the porn and sadistic-exhibitionistic roots that they love so much (the sort we have seen at abu gharib) how far erased from memory?.. not only are these scanners in violation of child-pornography laws (just search google) but they are really basically aimed at Muslims and I am pretty sure they'll restrict it to profiled people (Muslims) or those they wish to see naked!

If you want to go make pilgrimage or whatnot, be prepared to nullify your efforts to the gawking eyes of dog ****s at the airports!

7asbona Allah wa'ni3ma alwakeel!
Do these full body scanners act like "see through glasses?" I thought they were more like xray scanners .....
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جوري
01-06-2010, 12:43 AM
google them in images and you'll see what they see!
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جوري
01-06-2010, 12:49 AM
Originally Posted by Abdullahii
Im going to wear aluminium pants because to be honest its ridiculous, i believe they've been planning for this a long time it just needed something to sway the public

what will they do if the next time the terrorist puts explosives in places i wont mention here , what will happen then ?
a friend of my a very respectful elderly Syrian man and his wife were asked to remove the diaper from their granddaughter in the airport because elderly Muslims love to wrap explosives in children diapers...

you know what the problem is, we're are not defining the limits of what is acceptable..
from complete insolence toward the prophet and Islam,from framing innocent people, to abuse of civilians in foreign nations, kowtowing to them in our homelands, letting them strip us of our money and history while apologizing for crimes we didn't commit, and trying to coax them by actually accepting the bull**** they publish about us and apologizing for it..

why do we accommodate these [people] left and right trying to improve an image about us which they have already created in their head and they are here for no other purpose than to convince us of their beliefs...

Do you really want to be friends with these people? you want to extend da3wa to them? The thought of them burning in hell for all eternity is about the only sobering thing that keeps me going as I am filled with rage!
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CosmicPathos
01-06-2010, 12:52 AM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
a friend of my a very respectful elderly Syrian man and his wife were asked to remove the diaper from their granddaughter in the airport because elderly Muslims love to wrap explosives in children diapers...

you know what the problem is, we're are not defining the limits of what is acceptable..
from complete insolence toward the prophet and Islam,from framing innocent people, to abuse of civilians in foreign nations, kowtowing to them in our homelands, letting them strip us of our money and history while apologizing for crimes we didn't commit, and trying to coax them by actually accepting the bull**** they publish about us and apologizing for it..

what ****s they are (I am so angry and livid today) like that piece of **** atheist who is trying to convince us that boycotting a poor little country like Denmark is really not the right way to go about it..

why do we accommodate these ****s left and right trying to improve an image about us which they have already created in their head and they are here for no other purpose than to convince us of their beliefs...

Do you really want to be friends with these people? you want to extend da3wa to them? The thought of them burning in hell for all eternity is about the only sobering thing that keeps me going as I am filled with rage!
Sister, I read Muslims on Muslimmatters.org also arguing that Denmark must not be boycotted ..... some pathetic "enlightened" Western Muslims.

And that scanner is scary ....
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جوري
01-06-2010, 12:54 AM
Denmark must be boycotted along with the rest of them, it is actually the very least we can do. Not only are we not aiding out brothers and sisters who are suffering every where, we are actually silent as if approving, and now you want us to endorse it financially.. I am sorry but any thinking, discerning Muslims, should know that the least he/she can do is make a stand in any form possible, and this form has proven to hurt them insha'Allah!
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Cabdullahi
01-06-2010, 12:54 AM
listen everybody i am going to make aluminium pants inshallah because i need to protect my awrah...i dont want no pervy guy downloading the images to his USB
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جوري
01-06-2010, 12:57 AM
you know if you wear aluminum they'll take you to a private room and feel you up!
sick ****s that they are!
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Cabdullahi
01-06-2010, 01:07 AM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
you know if you wear aluminum they'll take you to a private room and feel you up!
sick ****s that they are!
they want to feel us up this is where its going to end up.....few weeks later we will here of a Burundian bomber who placed a bomb inside his posterior and to make security better all travelers will be subjugated to a ''feel up'' by the perverted officers

Travellers using London’s Heathrow airport will have to undergo checks by full-body scanners as soon as practicable, BAA, the airports operator, disclosed on Sunday.

The move came after Gordon Brown, prime minister, committed Britain to using the controversial technology, saying airports had to “go further” on security measures following the failed Christmas day terror attack on a transatlantic passenger jet.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d8e5dd48-f...44feab49a.html

A quick 'problem' 'reaction' 'solution'
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Alphadude
01-06-2010, 01:15 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aphy-laws.html
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جوري
01-06-2010, 01:21 AM
Originally Posted by Abdullahii
they want to feel us up this is where its going to end up.....few weeks later we will here of a Burundian bomber who placed a bomb inside his posterior and to make security better all travelers will be subjugated to a ''feel up'' by the perverted officers



http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d8e5dd48-f...44feab49a.html

A quick 'problem' 'reaction' 'solution'

lol what are you going to do? tell them you've chorea and punch them at will alleging it is an uncontrolled medical condition? Say what a brilliant idea ;D
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CosmicPathos
01-06-2010, 01:21 AM
mind you, the "elite" will not be subject to these rules as one regulatory document said.
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Alpha Dude
01-06-2010, 01:21 AM
To be honest, all this bodes very bad for muslims in western countries. There is so much religious profiling going on already and it is just going to get worse. If there's any new major 'terrorist attack', the non-muslim civilians are going to get more and more suspicious of us and our welcome will be worn thin.

Expect violence and discrimination against muslims to rise exponentially. Sad, but that's the way I see it happening in future.
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جوري
01-06-2010, 01:22 AM
'elite' = non-Muslims!
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Somaiyah
01-06-2010, 01:44 AM
Salam,
I simply believe it's horrible. And as far as I can avoid going to these airports I won't go. But so far I have never flied an airplane but inshallah one day I probably will have to. But alhamdulillah not many airports have this yet and inshallah we will all be able to avoid this. The stupid thing with the ones who are positive with this is that it's not about who can see you but that they can see you.
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Cabdullahi
01-06-2010, 01:48 AM
they know Muslims cover up and they know we travel back to the mother land often...they will be rubbing their hands to prospect of exploiting us :raging:
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cat eyes
01-06-2010, 02:04 AM
its not like there doing it on purpose its there job. they have to check everybody not just muslims.
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Cabdullahi
01-06-2010, 02:17 AM
Originally Posted by cat eyes
its not like there doing it on purpose its there job. they have to check everybody not just muslims.
they who?....this is a mass abu ghraib like exploitation and nobody is exempt from it, bums and bosoms is what we are talking about here so let them watch and enjoy ''its there job''
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Donia
01-06-2010, 03:04 AM
I had no clue that full body scanners even existed.

Wow. I really don't think it's necessary in my humble opinion.
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جوري
01-06-2010, 03:13 AM
This is all in light of the latest alleged botched bombing.. so yes, very much targeting and profiling Muslims!
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Grofica
01-06-2010, 03:41 AM
i dont know i travel all the time and other then london heathrow its really not that bad. (sorry dont mean nothing bad about london but the airport staff sucks) but its like that x-ray machine shows anything. it just shows a gray outline. granted not what i want either but the face is the same. i sort of think it would be nice then i dont have to wait for 900 people to take off their belt and shoes and hat and watch and blah blah blah because they cant do it while they wait in line. sorry that irks me. everything should be done by the time people get to the machines. thats why we have carry on.
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جوري
01-06-2010, 03:51 AM
They are not yet implemented but they will be, x rays show your bones and fat shadows and calcified areas, this will actually show your private anatomy!
and it will be in conjunction with the shoe taking off and watches etc..

so it won't be less of a hassle but more with humiliation!
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zakirs
01-06-2010, 10:11 AM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
They are not yet implemented but they will be, x rays show your bones and fat shadows and calcified areas, this will actually show your private anatomy!
and it will be in conjunction with the shoe taking off and watches etc..

so it won't be less of a hassle but more with humiliation!
Sister :sl:


I think you are not youselves today :).

These scanners though we may think are useless , these have been brought into use because of some idiots who tried to blow up planes.We are paying the price for some idiots decision :|. Anyway , Although i think there will be pervs everywhere lets just hope we wont have to go through this
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Dagless
01-06-2010, 10:39 AM
You can see example images on google. They aren't colour and you can only make out outlines. It might be amusing for the guy watching the first few times but there's only so much amusement to be derived from blue outlines; it'll be boring for them after the first 10 or so people.

If its a necessity in order to stop planes getting blown up then you have to just accept it. The pictures are not kept and are not taken in a sexual context. As for child porn... well how can it be child porn if there is no porn? So kids playing naked on the beach is ok but whoa don't you dare take a blue-ish outline of their bodies for a few seconds to potentially save a plane full of people :s

I would have thought a strip search or pat down was more intrusive. At least this way nobody has their hands all over you... or "the glove".
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Samiun
01-06-2010, 12:45 PM
:sl: Gossamer, wow your post counts are sky high in just an instant. I remember when entering this forum after a few days I saw someone congratulate you for your 10000 posts, now it has reach to 10000++ in just a few months......

Back on topic, I don't really mind this body scanners. I mean how could they be one when the person who is checking up on you is a male/female?As far as I'm concern, the airport always "checks" people for drugs/knife/etc but they usually do it by a male/female basis. So I don't think this is a pretty bad idea unless the person who's checking on you are in love with their own gender
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جوري
01-06-2010, 02:51 PM
Nabiel you are welcome to half my posts.. I have been on board since 2006 as you can see, making such an accumulation in the span of four years!

all the best
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جوري
01-06-2010, 02:56 PM
Originally Posted by Ferown
You can see example images on google. They aren't colour and you can only make out outlines. It might be amusing for the guy watching the first few times but there's only so much amusement to be derived from blue outlines; it'll be boring for them after the first 10 or so people.

If its a necessity in order to stop planes getting blown up then you have to just accept it. The pictures are not kept and are not taken in a sexual context. As for child porn... well how can it be child porn if there is no porn? So kids playing naked on the beach is ok but whoa don't you dare take a blue-ish outline of their bodies for a few seconds to potentially save a plane full of people :s

I would have thought a strip search or pat down was more intrusive. At least this way nobody has their hands all over you... or "the glove".

you don't need color to see anatomy.. you can google the images for body scans to see what they'll see, I'll not post them here personally for failure to do a simple google search! as for how it can be in violation of child porn, again, not a law or a statement of my own making:

you may read all about it here:

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/child-p...ory?id=9483369

all the best!
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IbnAbdulHakim
01-06-2010, 04:44 PM
i heard you can choose to never have them used on you.
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Vito
01-06-2010, 04:45 PM
Even if we fly naked, we still wouldn't be 100% safe from attacks. So I think it is a waste and I think it is only going to cause more problems for airlines because people have already stated they won't fly if they have to go through this.
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Vito
01-06-2010, 04:51 PM
Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
i heard you can choose to never have them used on you.
Why bother to spend the money to implement it in the first place then? If they suspected someone to have something on them, they would usually pull them to the side and do a thorough search anyways. :hmm:
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
01-06-2010, 04:56 PM
I know how u feel sis Gossamer. And can you believe what egypt is doing? Making an underground steel wall so the palestinians don't "smuggle." HELLO, why else do they smuggle?! Complete nutjobs :raging:
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جوري
01-06-2010, 04:59 PM
Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
I know how u feel sis Gossamer. And can you believe what egypt is doing? Making an underground steel wall so the palestinians don't "smuggle." HELLO, why else do they smuggle?! Complete nutjobs :raging:
I know sister.. it is what I mean by not just kowtowing to injustice but approving of it.. I am so fearful of the day we have to account for all of this, the real insult to injury is how we justify it to ourselves so we can feel or cope better!
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tango92
01-06-2010, 05:07 PM
^ what can we do though? we cant spend our whole life protesting and getting nowhere. i guess we should at least try...
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جوري
01-06-2010, 05:11 PM
There are things that as individuals can do even though it might seem trifle.. as stated for instance boycotting danish products really proved fatal to their economy, we can try with charity and of course our prayers which at times is all we seem to possess!

:w:
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zakirs
01-06-2010, 06:24 PM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
There are things that as individuals can do even though it might seem trifle.. as stated for instance boycotting danish products really proved fatal to their economy, we can try with charity and of course our prayers which at times is all we seem to possess!

:w:
Indeed politics of world are very complex and a simple demonstration can never help. All that matters in these days is money and army.

All we can do is help fellow bros , sisters and hope Allah gets them into a better situation :)
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aadil77
01-06-2010, 06:30 PM
I'm never gonna fly again, only when I'm gonna leave this country for good
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YusufNoor
01-06-2010, 07:57 PM
:sl:


i reckon we can start to travel by container ship!


anyway, this is to attempt to cheer skye up:

http://www.seattlepi.com/lolcats/gal...GTitle=LOLcats

the pics change everyday, the front page link is here, under Featured: Has kittehs:

http://www.seattlepi.com/

:wa:
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جوري
01-06-2010, 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by YusufNoor
:sl:


i reckon we can start to travel by container ship!


anyway, this is to attempt to cheer skye up:

http://www.seattlepi.com/lolcats/gal...GTitle=LOLcats

the pics change everyday, the front page link is here, under Featured: Has kittehs:

http://www.seattlepi.com/

:wa:

lol.. Jazaka Allah khyran.. that did cheer me up.. may Allah swt ease your affairs and grant you happiness in this life and the one to come..

ameen

:w:
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Esther462
01-06-2010, 09:05 PM
Spare a thought for the muslim women that want to keep there modesty. Haveing our body shape being seen by a none muslim.
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Dagless
01-06-2010, 09:16 PM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
you don't need color to see anatomy.. you can google the images for body scans to see what they'll see, I'll not post them here personally for failure to do a simple google search! as for how it can be in violation of child porn, again, not a law or a statement of my own making:

you may read all about it here:

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/child-p...ory?id=9483369

all the best!
Maybe it depends on your threshold for such things. With the media constantly bombarding images which are close to nude on adverts etc. I don't find an outline of a body in one colour all that concerning. It doesn't even make me look twice. That maybe a side effect for most people living in the west :(

Yes, I read the child porn thing in the guardian too before I posted my comment. I only meant that its taken a bit far because I would judge an airport scan like a biology textbook or journal. The intention is to gain knowledge; not sexual stimulus.
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جوري
01-06-2010, 09:25 PM
except there is no knowledge to be gained from subjecting your 70 year old grandmother or grandfather to full frontal and back anatomy with someone with a two week certificate if at all!

It isn't a matter of nudity on TV or in a clinical setting, rather individual harassment and singularly of Muslims!

:w:
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Dagless
01-06-2010, 09:51 PM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
except there is no knowledge to be gained from subjecting your 70 year old grandmother or grandfather to full frontal and back anatomy with someone with a two week certificate if at all!

It isn't a matter of nudity on TV or in a clinical setting, rather individual harassment and singularly of Muslims!

:w:
Depends if they want to blow up a plane or not! Until its widespread you can probably just ask for a traditional patdown.
Its not just for Muslims though, its for all passengers.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
01-07-2010, 12:12 AM
^^ They have a list of countries they specifically wish to use this for and they're all Muslim countries. That's at least what I heard. Outlining the shape of the body is just as BAD. Think of your fellow Muslim sisters who have to go through it. The shape of their bodies being seen, shape of their chest and other areas? How is that not of concern??
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Cabdullahi
01-07-2010, 12:16 AM
I think were desensitized to an extent and that's why some are not concerned but as a Muslim we all should reject these scanners because it violates our awrah
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جوري
01-07-2010, 12:39 AM
Originally Posted by Ferown
Depends if they want to blow up a plane or not! Until its widespread you can probably just ask for a traditional patdown.
Its not just for Muslims though, its for all passengers.
well Muslims naturally want to blow planes, so it is settled!
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Dagless
01-07-2010, 12:43 AM
Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
^^ They have a list of countries they specifically wish to use this for and they're all Muslim countries.
Where did you read this? As far as I know its based on whichever terminal the scanner is at and not your destination. Didn't the Somalian bomber actually come in from a connecting flight out of Amsterdam?
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
01-07-2010, 12:44 AM
I heard it on the news :/
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جوري
01-07-2010, 12:48 AM
here is the list of countries.. it is really not difficult to do a google search:

List of countries

  • Afghanistan
  • Algeria
  • Cuba
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Lebanon
  • Libya
  • Nigeria
  • Pakistan
  • Saudi Arabia
  • Somalia
  • Sudan
  • Syria
  • Yemen


http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/us...dents-1.563078
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
01-07-2010, 12:49 AM
:sl:

JAZAKALLAH KHAIR SIS lol. Came to my rescue..:wub: They're all mostly Muslim countries.
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Grofica
01-07-2010, 12:50 AM
Originally Posted by Ferown
You can see example images on google. They aren't colour and you can only make out outlines. It might be amusing for the guy watching the first few times but there's only so much amusement to be derived from blue outlines; it'll be boring for them after the first 10 or so people.

If its a necessity in order to stop planes getting blown up then you have to just accept it. The pictures are not kept and are not taken in a sexual context. As for child porn... well how can it be child porn if there is no porn? So kids playing naked on the beach is ok but whoa don't you dare take a blue-ish outline of their bodies for a few seconds to potentially save a plane full of people :s

I would have thought a strip search or pat down was more intrusive. At least this way nobody has their hands all over you... or "the glove".
i 100% agree. i was going through the airport once and had the FEMALE gaurd doing the pat down grab me in inappropriate ways. i would much rather show a blue blob on the screen then get felt up by some freak at the airport and what can you say to them not a dang thing because they cacn hold you up and make you miss your plane if you try to report them.


Originally Posted by Esther462
Spare a thought for the muslim women that want to keep there modesty. Haveing our body shape being seen by a none muslim.
I understand that but at the same time i want to keep my body period. i would rather show a blue blob on the screen then get dead. and i would rather the scan praying i dont get a pervert...


Originally Posted by Ferown
Maybe it depends on your threshold for such things. With the media constantly bombarding images which are close to nude on adverts etc. I don't find an outline of a body in one colour all that concerning. It doesn't even make me look twice. That maybe a side effect for most people living in the west :(

Yes, I read the child porn thing in the guardian too before I posted my comment. I only meant that its taken a bit far because I would judge an airport scan like a biology textbook or journal. The intention is to gain knowledge; not sexual stimulus.
but they are going to do with these just like they do the xray machines not every jack jill and harry will be able to see them walking by it will be up aginst a wall for some privacy and its not showing DETAILS... just shadows. modesty is a great thing but so is being alive and safe.

Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
except there is no knowledge to be gained from subjecting your 70 year old grandmother or grandfather to full frontal and back anatomy with someone with a two week certificate if at all!

It isn't a matter of nudity on TV or in a clinical setting, rather individual harassment and singularly of Muslims!

:w:
its not just of muslims its about EVERY wacko in the world there are just as many crazy every religion people.


Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
^^ They have a list of countries they specifically wish to use this for and they're all Muslim countries. That's at least what I heard. Outlining the shape of the body is just as BAD. Think of your fellow Muslim sisters who have to go through it. The shape of their bodies being seen, shape of their chest and other areas? How is that not of concern??
one... there is no way you can she her whatever whatever. i have seen the pics on google and they arent some nasty pictures it looks about as sexy as a snow man or woman.... and they are not supposed to have memory and if the airports show a little descretion with what we have in our bags then i am sure they will do the same with this and place it so the whole world is not viewing. i mean some people are acting like its going to be televised on football size screen.

personally... whatever they can do to make flying safer and faster and quicker through the airports rock on... make me safe. i want to make it to where ever i am going.

black white blue christain muslim earthling plutonian martian i dont care who the people are just make sure my plane gets to where its supposed to go in 1 peice and without crashing.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
01-07-2010, 12:56 AM
Originally Posted by Grofica
one... there is no way you can she her whatever whatever. i have seen the pics on google and they arent some nasty pictures it looks about as sexy as a snow man or woman.... and they are not supposed to have memory and if the airports show a little descretion with what we have in our bags then i am sure they will do the same with this and place it so the whole world is not viewing. i mean some people are acting like its going to be televised on football size screen.
Yea you can SEE it. Why da heck do u think we're meant to wear loose clothing? I've seen the pictures on google. In the one picture of an old woman, you can see the shape of her breast, her private part and her rear! I didnt wna blunt but now I think I have too. I'm not forsaking my modesty for the safety of my life. It's just the same as when you don't compromise your religion for the safety of your life. Same with modesty, it's part of Islam.

You don't like it, thats your perogative, but i sure as hell wouldn't like some freako behind the screen looking at me like that and knowing he can see the shape of all my parts.

If I have to travel, then itll be when I want to leave this country for good..
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HandOnHeart
01-07-2010, 12:58 AM
I seriously hope only female officers see a female passenger's images. Otherwise, I won't travel.
Infact, I would move from the west to begin with.
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جوري
01-07-2010, 01:11 AM
Originally Posted by Grofica

its not just of muslims its about EVERY wacko in the world there are just as many crazy every religion people.

.
Indeed, but as you can see clearly that (outside of Cuba) every country targeted on the list is an Islamic one!

:w:
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Cabdullahi
01-07-2010, 01:16 AM
Originally Posted by Grofica
i 100% agree. i was going through the airport once and had the FEMALE gaurd doing the pat down grab me in inappropriate ways. i would much rather show a blue blob on the screen then get felt up by some freak at the airport and what can you say to them not a dang thing because they cacn hold you up and make you miss your plane if you try to report them.

Since when did the coca cola bottle shape just become a blue blob of nothing you're thinking like this naturally because ur a woman but an old security guy is gonna analyze and scrutinize your hardware making the past years of boring security work suddenly turn into an exciting striptease show
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Grofica
01-07-2010, 01:17 AM
Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
Yea you can SEE it. Why da heck do u think we're meant to wear loose clothing? I've seen the pictures on google. In the one picture of an old woman, you can see the shape of her breast, her private part and her rear! I didnt wna blunt but now I think I have too. I'm not forsaking my modesty for the safety of my life. It's just the same as when you don't compromise your religion for the safety of your life. Same with modesty, it's part of Islam.

You don't like it, thats your perogative, but i sure as hell wouldn't like some freako behind the screen looking at me like that and knowing he can see the shape of all my parts.

If I have to travel, then itll be when I want to leave this country for good..

i never said you couldnt see the shape of the breast and tush. but its a shadow and the face isnt identifyable either. im saying its just different shades of blue. its like a giant blue blob. and its better then someone grabbing at private bits and peices.

this isnt much different then getting a scan from the doctors office

and there are still plenty of ways to travel that dont use the screening. car, boat, train, horse, biking, walking...

(not trying to be rude with the horse and walking comment just a lot of people still use horses where i was born.)
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Grofica
01-07-2010, 01:19 AM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
Indeed, but as you can see clearly that (outside of Cuba) every country targeted on the list is an Islamic one!

:w:
ok i can see where that would be a little upsetting but at the same time a lot of those countries have the money to just go out and buy a couple like its nothing...
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جوري
01-07-2010, 01:23 AM
do these look like un-discernible blobs?

http://justgetthere.us/blog/uploads/...ay_scanner.jpg

http://www.projo.com/blogs/shenews/p...pi_scan_lg.jpg

:w:
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Cabdullahi
01-07-2010, 01:27 AM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
that lady needs some hair on her head otherwise she looks like a convict with milk bladders

+o(
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جوري
01-07-2010, 01:37 AM
Originally Posted by Abdullahii
that lady needs some hair on her head otherwise she looks like a convict with milk bladders

+o(
Sometimes I want to take the thread with utmost :raging::raging::raging: and then you or br. yusuf have to make me ROFL ;D

She has hair, it just doesn't show..

I have no more comments I am quite upset about this since I really want to make pilgrimage insha'Allah, and I can just see a knuckle sandwich coming their way if I am angered by one of those skanks with a scan and I anger so easily .........:raging::raging::raging:

:w:
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Grofica
01-07-2010, 01:37 AM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye

I have seen them and i think they are less graphic in content then say the Statue of David, or Venus de Milo, or or or 1000 other things.
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Muslim Woman
01-07-2010, 01:43 AM
:sl:

Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
google them in images and you'll see what they see!
I saw the images on TV yesterday....yak .Astagferullah ....I don't want to travel to any western country :(
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Dagless
01-07-2010, 01:43 AM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
here is the list of countries.. it is really not difficult to do a google search:

List of countries

  • Afghanistan
  • Algeria
  • Cuba
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Lebanon
  • Libya
  • Nigeria
  • Pakistan
  • Saudi Arabia
  • Somalia
  • Sudan
  • Syria
  • Yemen


http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/us...dents-1.563078
It is when I don't search for US related articles. The trials in the UK are at particular terminals, there is no static country list as far as I know.
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جوري
01-07-2010, 01:44 AM
yes but we are not the statue of David or Jupiter and io or daphne and apollo we are Muslim women and men who are appalled by this assault-- it is visual rape if it is against your will!

:w:
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Grofica
01-07-2010, 01:44 AM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
Sometimes I want to take the thread with utmost :raging::raging::raging: and then you or br. yusuf have to make me ROFL ;D

She has hair, it just doesn't show..

I have no more comments I am quite upset about this since I really want to make pilgrimage insha'Allah, and I can just see a knuckle sandwich coming their way if I am angered by one of those skanks with a scan and I anger so easily .........:raging::raging::raging:

:w:
but then take a train, or there are a million ways to travel. dont let something stop you. there are always choises.
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Cabdullahi
01-07-2010, 01:46 AM
Originally Posted by Grofica
I have seen them and i think they are less graphic in content then say the Statue of David, or Venus de Milo, or or or 1000 other things.
you allow a doctor to examine you medically so he can use whatever scan to best diagnose the illness...the islamically valid excuse you have here is ''medical reasons''...so what excuse do you have if you want to travel to spain for a nice holiday offering the them to peep at your hardware and violating your awrah at the extreme butt naked level or tush naked whatever you wanna call it

How can you guarantee that the person who's doing the peeping will be a female?
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Grofica
01-07-2010, 01:46 AM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
yes but we are not the statue of David or Jupiter and io or daphne and apollo we are Muslim women and men who are appalled by this assault-- it is visual rape if it is against your will!

:w:
but it is not against your will. buying an airplain ticket is confirming you will agree to any BS they deside to put you through or you cant fly. there are 1 million different ways to travel and people have the freedom to choose which they prefer. life is all about choises.
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جوري
01-07-2010, 01:46 AM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
:sl:



I saw the images on TV yesterday....yak .Astagferullah ....I don't want to travel to any western country :(
:sl:

the general idea is that they want us to not feel welcome or comfortable!
they are contemptible sadistic voyeurists in every sense of the word! :raging::raging::raging::raging::raging:

&asbona Allah wa'ni3a alwakeel
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جوري
01-07-2010, 01:47 AM
Originally Posted by Grofica
but it is not against your will. buying an airplain ticket is confirming you will agree to any BS they deside to put you through or you cant fly. there are 1 million different ways to travel and people have the freedom to choose which they prefer. life is all about choises.
Yes let me book my trip to Makkah from now, by the time I bike or boat there I should make it in time by next pilgrimage!

:w:
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Grofica
01-07-2010, 01:54 AM
Originally Posted by Abdullahii
you allow a doctor to examine you medically so he can use whatever scan to best diagnose the illness...the islamically valid excuse you have here is ''medical reasons''...so what excuse do you have if you want to travel to spain for a nice holiday offering the them to peep at your hardware

How can you guarantee that the person who's doing the peeping will be a female?
and plenty of people let cosmetic doctors look at them and its not for medical reasons. its pure vanity... (and i dont mean only in western countries.)

there may not be an islamically valid excuse but the whole point of covering was to be modest i dont believe modesty is comprimized by a 2 second look at blue on a screen the size of a GPS system... i hardley doubt thats enough to make someone go PeeWee Herman in the airport.
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Cabdullahi
01-07-2010, 02:00 AM
Originally Posted by Grofica
and plenty of people let cosmetic doctors look at them and its not for medical reasons. its pure vanity... (and i dont mean only in western countries.)

there may not be an islamically valid excuse but the whole point of covering was to be modest i dont believe modesty is comprimized by a 2 second look at blue on a screen the size of a GPS system... i hardley doubt thats enough to make someone go PeeWee Herman in the airport.

for them to describe the exact shape of what they saw in great detail makes it an abomination of the worst order
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جوري
01-07-2010, 02:00 AM
Originally Posted by Grofica
and plenty of people let cosmetic doctors look at them and its not for medical reasons. its pure vanity... (and i dont mean only in western countries.)

there may not be an islamically valid excuse but the whole point of covering was to be modest i dont believe modesty is comprimized by a 2 second look at blue on a screen the size of a GPS system... i hardley doubt thats enough to make someone go PeeWee Herman in the airport.
The whole point is that it is a violation a public ravishment really meant to force Muslims to do exactly what they don't want to do (expose themselves even if it be for two seconds). It doesn't matter who likes sex for hire, or who does a butt lift every two years or gets 750cc implants or what the Grecian section at the met shows. It is about the individual desire and it is against the will, because when one desires to travel one likes to keep their civil liberties and rights and if they are forcing you to do something you don't want to do or find some other mode of travel for some concocted reasons. Frankly I believe half of the crap they frame and pin on Muslims is done by them. on CNN this alleged bomber didn't even have a passport, so how did he get on unless someone wanted him to get on for a very specific purpose?

:w:
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Dagless
01-07-2010, 02:01 AM
Originally Posted by Grofica
there may not be an islamically valid excuse
Safety sounds like a good excuse. It may even save lives (it probably won't stop the really determined but there are plenty of amateurs out there who might think twice).
Its a personal decision at the end of the day.
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Muslim Woman
01-07-2010, 02:06 AM
:sl:

Originally Posted by Grofica
.. i dont believe modesty is comprimized by a 2 second look at blue on a screen the size of a GPS system... .

What's ur point ??? Why should men will see women's body like this even for 1 second ? In the name of security , what will they do next ? Not virtually , but practically they will force people to be naked in front of all. :omg:
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Grofica
01-07-2010, 02:11 AM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
The whole point is that it is a violation a public ravishment really meant to force Muslims to do exactly what they don't want to do (expose themselves even if it be for two seconds). It doesn't matter who likes sex for hire, or who does a butt lift every two years or gets 750cc implants or what the Grecian section at the met shows. It is about the individual desire and it is against the will, because when one desires to travel one likes to keep their civil liberties and rights and if they are forcing you to do something you don't want to do or find some other mode of travel for some concocted reasons. Frankly I believe half of the crap they frame and pin on Muslims is done by them. on CNN this alleged bomber didn't even have a passport, so how did he get on unless someone wanted him to get on for a very specific purpose?

:w:
ok i will agree with the part about half the stuff they do. but i honestly dont believe its against muslims. before it was russia and it was china and it was vietnam and it was north korea... its all about someone having something "big brother wants" and the media feeds the people into hysteria...

but lets face it this really isnt any different, it has been pretty much the same for a long time those guards do whatever they want to anyway. people CHOOSE to fly people must conform to whatever dumb idea they have next. Im not nessarrily pro-blue screen people but i am pro-me making it to where i am going.

flighing is a privledge not a right.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
01-07-2010, 02:25 AM
Originally Posted by Abdullahii
that lady needs some hair on her head otherwise she looks like a convict with milk bladders

+o(
:sl:

LOL! Now thats funny..
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Cabdullahi
01-07-2010, 02:26 AM
Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
:sl:

LOL! Now thats funny..
its the truth
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
01-07-2010, 02:30 AM
^^ Yea I know but it was funny lol.

Imagine if you wanted to go to hajj or umrah, but before that you gotta go through some visual assault? Flying is a right too. Allah(swt) didnt make this land for people to restrict one another from exploring His land and creation....
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Billal-A
01-07-2010, 02:31 AM
Assalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu,

Let me just add one thing for our muslimahs - may Allaah assist you all as time and time again the kuffaar are trying to make you show your zeenah to the masses, to be like their women who show not an ounce of hayaa hence no need for them to even be scanned! May Allaah cover you with the modesty of hijaab and niqaab and make you among the precious preserved pearls of Allaah both in this life and in the hereafter. Ameen.

Now more than ever, we see that we Muslims need to make a stance to stand up against those crazed sexually perverted legislators that call upon stripping the honour of our awrah for the sake of some self inflicted security control issues they themselves could easily have plotted! May Allaah disperse their plans like Qaaroon and Abrahah, may the earth eat up their rotten bodies and rotten ideas ameen ya Rabb.

It is, like the social cohesion issue, like the ongoing onslaught against the hijaab, abaya and niqaab, a time for sisters to remain firm upon their deen and the sunnatil ummahaatul mu'mineen. We need to remain steadfast upon the beautiful advice given by Allaah, Lord of the worlds to both our brothers and our sisters. Remain in hijaab, remain in niqaab, remain guarded from leeches wanting to stare at the forbidden beauty Islam has protected. Remain respectable to Allaah and Allaah will preserve your honour.

And oh you Sisters that take this lightly, guard your chastity and pray that Allaah make you among the dwellers of Al-Firdaws, for Allaahs messenger sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam advised us that the woman who reveals her body shape shall not even smell the fragrance of Jannah though its fragrance reaches far distances. Remember the shar'i rulings as regarding your dress, your look, your actions and fear Allaah wheresoever you are. The woman who reveals a hair to one forbidden to see it, shall be hung from that string of hair, the one who shapes the eyebrows is cursed, the one who is dressed but naked is rebuked and only the righteous woman who fears Allaah and knows that it incurs the wrath of Allaah is on the correct Path!

I say as, our mother A'isha radhiallahu anha said. May Allaah bless the women, when Allaah revealed the aayah for covering they all came out looking like black crows. Ameen.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
01-07-2010, 02:34 AM
Ameeeeeeeeen, nice post.
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جوري
01-07-2010, 02:34 AM
That is beautiful Billal jazaka Allah khyran..
I really enjoyed your post..

:w:
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Grofica
01-07-2010, 02:43 AM
Originally Posted by Billal-A
Assalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu,

Let me just add one thing for our muslimahs - may Allaah assist you all as time and time again the kuffaar are trying to make you show your zeenah to the masses, to be like their women who show not an ounce of hayaa hence no need for them to even be scanned! May Allaah cover you with the modesty of hijaab and niqaab and make you among the precious preserved pearls of Allaah both in this life and in the hereafter. Ameen.

Now more than ever, we see that we Muslims need to make a stance to stand up against those crazed sexually perverted legislators that call upon stripping the honour of our awrah for the sake of some self inflicted security control issues they themselves could easily have plotted! May Allaah disperse their plans like Qaaroon and Abrahah, may the earth eat up their rotten bodies and rotten ideas ameen ya Rabb.

It is, like the social cohesion issue, like the ongoing onslaught against the hijaab, abaya and niqaab, a time for sisters to remain firm upon their deen and the sunnatil ummahaatul mu'mineen. We need to remain steadfast upon the beautiful advice given by Allaah, Lord of the worlds to both our brothers and our sisters. Remain in hijaab, remain in niqaab, remain guarded from leeches wanting to stare at the forbidden beauty Islam has protected. Remain respectable to Allaah and Allaah will preserve your honour.

And oh you Sisters that take this lightly, guard your chastity and pray that Allaah make you among the dwellers of Al-Firdaws, for Allaahs messenger sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam advised us that the woman who reveals her body shape shall not even smell the fragrance of Jannah though its fragrance reaches far distances. Remember the shar'i rulings as regarding your dress, your look, your actions and fear Allaah wheresoever you are. The woman who reveals a hair to one forbidden to see it, shall be hung from that string of hair, the one who shapes the eyebrows is cursed, the one who is dressed but naked is rebuked and only the righteous woman who fears Allaah and knows that it incurs the wrath of Allaah is on the correct Path!

I say as, our mother A'isha radhiallahu anha said. May Allaah bless the women, when Allaah revealed the aayah for covering they all came out looking like black crows. Ameen.
instead of taking such a negitive stance against the machine why not take a negitive stance against WHY these devises were implemented. if people spent more time protesting the men who do bad things and say they are in the name of god (regardless of relgion) then we would not have to impliment all these procautions.

all this energy is being spent protesting the wrong issue(s). stop the wrong-doers. instead of silence show the world a voice of out-raged muslims. not at the extra steps that have to be taken for safety but at those who commit wrongs in the name of god. the masses are scared not only at the wrong-doers but at the silence of our mass.
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BlackMamba
01-07-2010, 02:46 AM
I vote for safety over privacy. If the scanners keep us safe then use them.

And do you think that they have a pretty good excuse to use racial profiling at the airport? Most if not all recent airplane terrorist attacks have been carried out by "Muslims."
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
01-07-2010, 02:48 AM
No thanks, I dont wana be scarred with the thought that someone just got a peep at me.
Those of you who want that, be my guest!

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see anything wondrous about letting someone see me that way, for the safety of my life. If I die, at least I'll die with my modesty still intact...
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Billal-A
01-07-2010, 03:17 AM
Originally Posted by Grofica
instead of taking such a negitive stance against the machine why not take a negitive stance against WHY these devises were implemented. if people spent more time protesting the men who do bad things and say they are in the name of god (regardless of relgion) then we would not have to impliment all these procautions.

all this energy is being spent protesting the wrong issue(s). stop the wrong-doers. instead of silence show the world a voice of out-raged muslims. not at the extra steps that have to be taken for safety but at those who commit wrongs in the name of god. the masses are scared not only at the wrong-doers but at the silence of our mass.
SubhaanAllaah sis, why the ultra double negative bladed response?

Its amazing to see you would compromise any sense of your awrah and your deen with regards to the current so called "security threat" but to be honest you've pulled the trigger, russian roulette style on yourself. The problem is there is extremism amongst Muslims. By simply creating yet another issue for Muslims, removal of privacy, we are not tackling terrorism, we are simply breeding it. The main cause for such problems with Muslims is because of American Appartheid policies that support Israel against Palestine, UK against Afghans, US against Iraaqis. Stripping our women will only prove ever more that US is against Islamic principles! But where is your voice there? Are you speaking out against that too or just against your fellow Muslims who are disgusted with the attempts made to publicise their women? Can you not even say ameen to a dua which is calling upon Allaah to restore shariah? Do you feel that Islamic code of dress is not the greatest emancipation of the female population? I certainly do and there are many millions of Muslims who wont shy from proclaiming this.

If you consider the removal of shari'ah to be negative, then go ahead strip yourself for the Non-Muslim, what if next week the US claims that the Qur'an is the reason behind these attacks and reading it is a criminal offence, will you throw it away? Praying is something seen as extreme so leave it? Being Muslim is the cause so leave it? Sheltering legislation of this nature will only wash down any understanding of the real problem: the US GOVT. (Currently no.1 terrorist to date! Please refer to Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine for further information)

We simply will not and shall not ever stand side by side with a policy that contravenes our right to privacy, constantly undermines our ummah and consistently is at war with innocents while trying to catch the supposedly guilty al-Qaeda forces. A government, highly questioned at all levels, to the legitimacy of its claims on 9/11, a government always blaming rogue agents for plots of innocent killings but then throws bombs on women and children, claims WMD's but takes the lives of millions for black oil. Does this remind you of a just nation or one of the biggest untried war criminals in existence.

I say again. To all my sisters, DO NOT let the kuffaar strip you, DO NOT disobey Allaah almighty for the sake of men and women who are clearly opposed to what you believe in. Remember the woman, who the Jew removed her garment and she became exposed, she cried "Yaa Mu'tasim" and when Mu'tasim heard, he said 100,000 troops to exact the revenge for the oppression done against her. Fear not the disbelievers but fear Allaah and surely Allaah is with the righteous. Whatever he has written for is better if we are but patient. Do not let apologetic Muslims confuse you about your duty to Allaah and remain steadfast upon al-Qawl as-Sadeed.

I make another dua for you sister as well as all the ummah, that Allaah makes you among the upright ones that call for truth, ones that are haafidh upon their chastity and those who are in the highest levels of Jannah ameen.

"Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) till you follow their religion. Say: "Verily, the Guidance of Allâh that is the (only) Guidance. And if you were to follow their desires after what you have received of Knowledge, then you would have against Allâh neither any Walî (protector or guardian) nor any helper. " Surah al-Baqarah: 120)

"It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allaah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allaah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error." (Surah al-Ahzaab: 36)
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
01-07-2010, 03:23 AM
^^:thumbs_up MashaAllah

Ameen.
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syilla
01-07-2010, 03:30 AM
Just because of one person...everyone has stripped naked? :uuh: (then...next thing some one will say..that one person will bomb everyone... well yeah...but those everyone has to be stripped naked everyday....)

Jazakallah khayr akhee bilall... ameen to the duas. :cry:

I don't think i want to go to any of the places with airport that has those kind of scanners... imsad
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BlackMamba
01-07-2010, 03:33 AM
Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
No thanks, I dont wana be scarred with the thought that someone just got a peep at me.
Those of you who want that, be my guest!

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see anything wondrous about letting someone see me that way, for the safety of my life. If I die, at least I'll die with my modesty still intact...
When there is threat of death we are allowed to eat pork and delay salah if that will lower chance of the threat.
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Grofica
01-07-2010, 03:50 AM
Originally Posted by Billal-A
SubhaanAllaah sis, why the ultra double negative bladed response?
its not an ultra double negative bladed response. everyone is complaining about the rain and wont open the umbrella to be dry. what i am saying is if you want NOT to go through the machine and you want NOT to be looked at in a negotive connotation then stop being silent about the people who are wrong for doing what their doing.

my family is of mexican decent, you dont think i get racial profiled for that too?!?!?! i get it everywhere. oulled over for brown while driving, followed in stores because they dont believe mexicans can pay for things, people think i jumped the boarder, people think i speak spanish what like every person who has hispanic blood just comes out speaking spanish or something. except i dont know what it is people everywhere think i am from somehwere close i have been called lebineese (spelling?) italian, bosnian, mexican, portarican, spanish, emeratie, iraqi, you name it i have been called it.

for a million different things. a million bad things happen to a million different people but instead of complaining about the bad thing people bond together and ferret out the wrong doers...

Stripping our women will only prove ever more that US is against Islamic principles!
Islamic principles and Christian princibles are not really that different... but no one knows that because no one hears what islam is about. when i read the koran i found out how wonderful it was but do you expect everyone is going to be so curious?

But where is your voice there?
Im not outraged. its not a perfect system but they are trying their best.

Do you feel that Islamic code of dress is not the greatest emancipation of the female population? I certainly do and there are many millions of Muslims who wont shy from proclaiming this.
I am not saying there is anything wrong with it. and am not flashing or showy with my clothes but i do wear jeans.


If you consider the removal of shari'ah to be negative, then go ahead strip yourself for the Non-Muslim
so because i am in agreement to be as safe as possibe in a crazy world and crazy time i am basically a heratic is what your saying? a blue non-identifiable picture is not striping for the masses. its a simple safety procaussion. should there be anarchy?


what if next week the US claims that the Qur'an is the reason behind these attacks and reading it is a criminal offence, will you throw it away?
its always the music that does it not the books.


Praying is something seen as extreme so leave it?
christains pray. you think this is an assult on you but its not.


I make another dua for you sister as well as all the ummah, that Allaah makes you among the upright ones that call for truth, ones that are haafidh upon their chastity and those who are in the highest levels of Jannah ameen.
and Allah also sees whats in our hearts.
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PersiaBeFree
01-07-2010, 04:09 AM
From the article Gossamer skye linked:

"As the passenger stands in the scanner, the naked image of the passenger is transmitted to a sole, remote operator who is stationed in another part of the airport and will not see the face of the person inside the scanning machine.

The operator will then mark any objects present on the passenger and send a schematic diagram of the person's profile to the officers operating the scanner for further examination"

I think it would also be possible to have two remote operators, one male and one female and a system of sending images to the correct one based on gender. That should rule out most of the concerns, no?
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Dagless
01-07-2010, 04:14 AM
Originally Posted by Billal-A
SubhaanAllaah sis, why the ultra double negative bladed response?

Its amazing to see you would compromise any sense of your awrah and your deen with regards to the current so called "security threat" but to be honest you've pulled the trigger, russian roulette style on yourself.
How exactly is she compromising her deen? Its not a so called "security threat", there are no inverted comma's about it, haven't you noticed that there have been quite a few attempts on aircraft over the last few months?
One person searching for a bomb or a weapon on an almost anonymous airport scanner does not constitute a removal of privacy.
You are saying protect your awra but don't worry about bombs. Does your life come first or awra?

Originally Posted by Billal-A
The main cause for such problems with Muslims is because of American Appartheid policies that support Israel against Palestine, UK against Afghans, US against Iraaqis.
This is true but doesn't change the current situation. Shall we put our lives on hold until there are no threats anywhere?

Originally Posted by Billal-A
Stripping our women will only prove ever more that US is against Islamic principles! But where is your voice there? Are you speaking out against that too or just against your fellow Muslims who are disgusted with the attempts made to publicise their women? Can you not even say ameen to a dua which is calling upon Allaah to restore shariah? Do you feel that Islamic code of dress is not the greatest emancipation of the female population? I certainly do and there are many millions of Muslims who wont shy from proclaiming this.
This is overkill in the extreme. Look at the words you're using "stripping your women", "attempts to publicise their women". Obviously you're thinking of the airport scanner which forcefully restrains the woman, takes a full colour hd picture, and then uploads it to the Internet.

Originally Posted by Billal-A
If you consider the removal of shari'ah to be negative, then go ahead strip yourself for the Non-Muslim, what if next week the US claims that the Qur'an is the reason behind these attacks and reading it is a criminal offence, will you throw it away? Praying is something seen as extreme so leave it? Being Muslim is the cause so leave it?
We are given the intellect to work out which claims are correct (have proof), and which are incorrect (have no proof).

People trying to smuggle bombs on board aircraft - Lots of evidence, it happens in all countries, and many have been successful. Scanning a person seems a reasonable means by which to detect for such material. If you have a better method then please share!

The Quran being the reason behind the attacks - No evidence.

See the difference?

Originally Posted by Billal-A
We simply will not and shall not ever stand side by side with a policy that contravenes our right to privacy, constantly undermines our ummah and consistently is at war with innocents while trying to catch the supposedly guilty al-Qaeda forces. A government, highly questioned at all levels, to the legitimacy of its claims on 9/11, a government always blaming rogue agents for plots of innocent killings but then throws bombs on women and children, claims WMD's but takes the lives of millions for black oil. Does this remind you of a just nation or one of the biggest untried war criminals in existence.
We are discussing air safety. America's downfalls can be for another thread :D

It might be worth finding a scholars opinion since a lot of strong feeings flying around now :p
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Muslim Woman
01-07-2010, 09:09 AM
:sl:

Originally Posted by PersiaBeFree
..it would also be possible to have two remote operators, one male and one female and a system of sending images to the correct one based on gender. That should rule out most of the concerns, no?
no :(

What if there is no female operators at that time ? Flight won't wait for female passengers ; so they will be forced to go through the process operated by men. Also not even women should watch other naked women .
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PersiaBeFree
01-07-2010, 12:29 PM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
:sl:

no :(

What if there is no female operators at that time ? Flight won't wait for female passengers ; so they will be forced to go through the process operated by men. Also not even women should watch other naked women .
So, what is the answer to the fear of terrorism in the underwear?
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Cabdullahi
01-07-2010, 12:49 PM
Originally Posted by PersiaBeFree
So, what is the answer to the fear of terrorism in the underwear?
so what is the answer to the fear of terrorism inside an orfice?

optical fiber camera up your backside?
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Muslim Woman
01-07-2010, 03:24 PM
:sl:

Originally Posted by Abdullahii
so what is the answer to the fear of terrorism inside an orfice?

optical fiber camera up your backside?

May be , one day they will make a law to put camera inside each Muslims res including bedrooms and washrooms :omg:


PersiaBeFree , Terrorists don't belong to any specific religion or country . If u put fire in ur neighbours house and enjoy his/her suffering , then one day fire will touch ur home. Americans are killing millions outside their country and expects that they will face no harm ?? Simply impossible.

Terrorists can hire anyone from other country or even from US to carry bombs . What about safety of bus , train , boat passengers ? Is it really possible to put machine everywhere and take naked images of millions ?

related links .


"What [the authorities] need to realize is that terrorism doesn’t come from just those 14 countries. It’s from all over the world. Anyone can plan something anywhere.

I mean one could cross the border from Mexico and then do something on domestic flight,"

....."Look at prison systems, where searches are far more invasive — they still can't stop contraband from being smuggled into the system."

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...ws%2FNWELayout
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
01-07-2010, 03:52 PM
Originally Posted by Shakoor15
When there is threat of death we are allowed to eat pork and delay salah if that will lower chance of the threat.
Am I losing haya in the process of eating pork or delaying salah? No.
This is stated within Islam, not giving up your haya for your life...

I'm not gunna go through life knowing someone got a peep at me...and this is my personal opinion. That's all.

As for salah, I'll choose Shahada whilst praying than delay my salah. At the end of the day, it's Allah who will Protect me...we don't die unless He Wills that. So hell, I'm not worried in the least bit.
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Billal-A
01-07-2010, 04:04 PM
Assalaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu,

I thought that maybe our sisters would have some sort of brainstorm over the ideals that are being pushed after my response but it seems like yet again we have missed the point. The point isnt personal to start with, I am not assuming that Grofica, you are in any way a bad person or someone against hijaab or of the sort nor do I say that you are someone washing their principles, but what I am re-asserting is that there are things that will always exist in our society because of actions the US, UK, Israel is responsible for. If your stating that it is an "everyone complains about the rain and wont open the umbrella to dry" issue then even more so in your case.

The reason I say this is because as I have mentioned earlier, the problem is foreign policy, Muslims are not attacking planes and civilian posts because they just simply want to remove non-Muslims from the earth but because they hate the US govt and what it represents. They hate the fact that the US has orphaned Iraq, stole its assets and claimed to seek WMD's from a man now six feet under with no recovery of these weapons. Without a doubt the biggest lie of this decade-past is the claim that Saddaam had WMD's and could set them off in 45 minutes, this was the whole basis for the war in Iraq! Why cant we Muslims be outspoken for the many innocents who have been killed unjustly in this case? Why are people who march against the US oppressors labelled fanatics or extremist Muslims?

The answer is simple, ever since 9/11, the Muslims have split into two factions; one that tries to be apologetic and appeasing to the Non-Muslims, condemns all acts of Jihaad as "violent extremism" and is "allied with the west against the scourge of terrorism" but at the same time does not speak up against the evil atrocities the US and Israel are responsible for; the other sticking to what is in the Book and the Sunnah and not allowing any sense of allegiance with kuffaar especially ones with a track record like the US. One man does a crime, the entire populus has to be stripped? There is no logic behind this. Systematically over time the West has been deconstructing all of its democratic values but claims to be a model of democracy. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, right to privacy, right to fair trial, all seem clouded and non-existent. I mean, sister please, we cant align with a government that places our people into orange jumpsuits and makes them bow in cages in Cuba to avoid International law breaches. They dont give trials, they torture, they force confessions how much more do they need to do before we make a real stance against that!?

Unfortunately for us, all we have to see is our fellow Muslims arguing with one another over this issue, when the blood of our ummah is more honourable than all of this! There is no disobedience to Allaah for the sake of creation and we should not allow legislation like this which is unislamic, once it is introduced and we are forced, then matters take a different direction but for now we speak against this infringement upon our rights! We fight against falsehood in all its paths, be it extremism, killing of innocents, unlawful acts in the Name of Islam, and this issue also. We cannot wash down any of our principles for the sake of a threat that is too untangible to ever detect. The worrying thing is, where do we go from here? Should we have cameras in our homes which are viewed by the government too? That would be a safety precaution! Should we remove ayahs about Jihaad? That would be a safety precaution! The list is endless.

I pray yet again, that Allaah makes us like Ibraaheem alayhis salaam, who did not remove his tawheed to please his community, to be like Nuh alayhis salaam, who gave up his son to the evil his son was upon for opposing Allaah, we be like Moosa alayhis salaam against the Fir'awns of our era, and that we are among those who sacrifice everything they have for the Sake of Allaah's pleasure ameen.

"Do you think that you will be left [as you are] while Allaah has not yet made evident those among you who strive [for His cause] and do not take other than Allaah, His Messenger and the believers as intimates? And Allaah is Acquainted with what you do." (Surah at-Tawbah:16)

"Say, [O Muhammad], "If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your relatives, wealth which you have obtained commerce wherein you fear decline, and dwellings with which you are pleased are more beloved to you than Allaah and His
Messenger and jihaad [i.e., striving] in His cause, then wait until Allaah executes His command. And Allaah does not guide the defiantly disobedient people."
(Surah at-Tawbah: 24)
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Billal-A
01-07-2010, 04:46 PM
[/QUOTE]It might be worth finding a scholars opinion since a lot of strong feeings flying around now :p[/QUOTE]

"I know that haraam things may be permissible if it becomes necessary to do them. Are there conditions governing this ruling so that it may be applied correctly?."

Praise be to Allaah.

Among the basic principles of Islamic sharee’ah, on which the scholars are agreed, is that cases of necessity make forbidden things permissible.

There is a great deal of evidence to support this principle in the Holy Qur'aan and the Prophet's Sunnah, for example, the verses in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Forbidden to you (for food) are: Al‑Maitah (the dead animals — cattle — beast not slaughtered), blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering (that which has been slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah, or has been slaughtered for idols) and that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by the goring of horns — and that which has been (partly) eaten by a wild animal — unless you are able to slaughter it (before its death) ‑ and that which is sacrificed (slaughtered) on An‑Nusub (stone‑altars). (Forbidden) also is to use arrows seeking luck or decision; (all) that is Fisqun (disobedience of Allaah and sin). This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But as for him who is forced by severe hunger, with no inclination to sin (such can eat these above mentioned meats), then surely, Allaah is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”

[al-Maa’idah 5:3]

“And why should you not eat of that (meat) on which Allaah’s Name has been pronounced (at the time of slaughtering the animal), while He has explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you, except under compulsion of necessity?”

[al-An’am 6:119]

Examples of this principle include the following:

1. Eating dead meat for one who cannot find anything else and fears that he will die of hunger.

2. Speaking words of kufr when subjected to torture and force.

3. Warding off an aggressor even if that leads to killing him.

See: al-Ashya’ wa’l-Nazaa’ir by Ibn Nujaym, p. 85

Necessity means cases in which a person will be harmed if he does not take the haraam option, in which the harm will effect the five essentials which are: religion, life, honour, reason and wealth.

With regard to the conditions of a haraam thing becoming permissible in the case of necessity, Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) mentioned two conditions for that and he explained them in abundant detail with examples, as well as mentioning some objections and the response to them. Hence we will limit ourselves to quoting his words. He (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

This principle is one of the basic fiqhi principles which are indicated by sharee’ah: Everything that is forbidden becomes permissible in the case of necessity.

So what is forbidden becomes permissible in the case of necessity, but there are two conditions.

The first condition:

We should be compelled to do this specific haraam thing, meaning that we cannot find anything with which to meet that necessity except this haraam thing. If we can find something else, then it does not become permissible, even though it could meet our necessity.

The second condition:

The necessity should be met by that haraam thing; if that is not the case, then it remains haraam. If we are not certain whether it will meet the necessity or not, then it also remains haraam. That is because doing something haraam is definitely wrong and meeting necessity by means of it is something concerning which there is doubt, so we should not transgress by doing that which is definitely haraam for the sake of something concerning which there is doubt.

Hence the ruling varies concerning a starving man who cannot find anything but dead meat. In this case we say, Eat the dead meat. If he says that this is committing a haraam action, we say that it has become permissible because of necessity, because you have nothing else to eat apart from this and because if you eat it you will meet that necessity.

It was said to a man: If you drink alcohol, you will be cured of sickness. In this case we say: It is not permissible for you to drink alcohol even if you are told that it will heal you from sickness. Why is that?

Firstly, because there is no certainty that he will be healed by it; he may drink it and not be healed of sickness. We see many sick people taking beneficial medicines that they do not benefit from.

Secondly, the sick person may recover without any treatment, by putting his trust in Allah and praying to Him, and by means of people’s prayer (du’aa’) for him and so on. This is from the point of view of reason.

From the point of view of evidence, it is narrated in a hadeeth from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) that he said: “Allaah does not put your healing in that which He has forbidden to you.” The rationale behind this hadeeth is clear, because Allah only forbade it to us because it is harmful to us, so how can that which is haraam be a healing and a remedy?

Hence it is haraam to use haraam things as treatment, as the scholars have stated, and it cannot be said that this is a case of necessity, as some people think.

If someone were to say that a person is choking and he has nothing except a cup of wine, so is it permissible for him to drink this cup to stop him choking?

The answer is yes, because the two conditions are met in this case. He is compelled to use this exact thing and we are certain that the necessity will be met by it, so we would say: Drink the wine. But once the choking has stopped, he should stop drinking.

If someone were to say that a man found some meat that had been slaughtered in the halaal manner and some meat from an animal that had died a natural death, can he eat the dead meat because he is forced to do so by necessity?

The answer is that he cannot do that, because the necessity can be met by something else, so it is not permissible because the first condition is not met.

If a person were to say, I am thirsty and I have nothing but a cup of wine; can I drink it?

The answer is no, as the scholars said, because this is not a case of necessity; rather it will only make him more thirsty, so there is no benefit in transgressing and doing something haraam, because necessity will not be warded off by it and the second condition is not fulfilled.

If a person were to say: If a sick person has no choice but to drink blood as a remedy, is it permissible for him to do that? The answer is that it is not permissible for him to do that, because the two conditions are not met. End quote.

Sharh Manzoomah Usool al-Fiqh wa Qawaa’idihi (p. 59-61)

And Allah knows best.

Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid
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Grofica
01-07-2010, 06:26 PM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
:sl:



no :(

What if there is no female operators at that time ? Flight won't wait for female passengers ; so they will be forced to go through the process operated by men. Also not even women should watch other naked women .
ok but we have already seen the list of places they are putting them and i was told today that they have a few in the states already too... EVERY airport has female security gaurds and especially in the middle eastern countries because men can not inspect women. its not a matter of IF there will be women its just a matter of switching the women already there to a new duty
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Grofica
01-07-2010, 06:42 PM
and if they were going after muslims specifically (as a religion) then it would be in EVERY NATION IN EVERY CITY... we are not a region, we are not a race, we are global and come from every colour and creed.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
01-07-2010, 06:55 PM
If I know 100 percent that only a woman can see me, I'd probably agree with it. But if I dont know for a fact who the freak behind the curtain is, then I can't feel safe enough to go through that scanner...that's the point really.
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جوري
01-07-2010, 06:59 PM
They probably save them and have a laugh later, sick freaks that they are.. Abu gharib anyone?
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Cabdullahi
01-07-2010, 07:15 PM
Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
If I know 100 percent that only a woman can see me, I'd probably agree with it. But if I dont know for a fact who the freak behind the curtain is, then I can't feel safe enough to go through that scanner...that's the point really.
This wont stop here today there might be a body scanner but tomorrow its going to be an optic fiber camera up the orifices



PREGNANT mother horrified to see live pictures of her BED on a travel news website.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...n-bedroom.html



No warrant needed to enter homes
http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...l/article.html


Telecom firms' fury at plan for 'Stasi' checks on every phone call and email

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0bxHLDKoO


Sneaky 'camouflaged' speed cameras look like posts
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-21755159/

See the bigger picture the aim is to destroy privacy and when you have no privacy you become a zombie because privacy is freedom

Council snoopers watch us on 60,000 CCTV cameras

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0bxKLb15q


UK surveillance cameras stir big brother fears
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/s...003402,00.html


Tamim al-Dari in the prophets time met dajjal and he was on an island with another being called jassassa in a monastery

al jassassa is spy in arabic

the hadith :

''They landed on the island, and were met by
a beast who was so hairy that they could not tell its front from its back.
They said, "Woe to you! What are you?" It said, "I am al-Jassasah." They
said, "What is al-Jassasah?" It said, "O people, go to this man in the
monastery, for he is very eager to know about you." Tamim said that when
it named a person to us, we were afraid lest it be a devil''
http://islamworld.net/docs/hour/Six.txt
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جوري
01-07-2010, 07:50 PM
@ some point they'll just start implanting chips in people and justify it by the usual scare tactics!
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MSalman
01-07-2010, 08:02 PM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
a friend of my a very respectful elderly Syrian man and his wife were asked to remove the diaper from their granddaughter in the airport because elderly Muslims love to wrap explosives in children diapers...

you know what the problem is, we're are not defining the limits of what is acceptable..
from complete insolence toward the prophet and Islam,from framing innocent people, to abuse of civilians in foreign nations, kowtowing to them in our homelands, letting them strip us of our money and history while apologizing for crimes we didn't commit, and trying to coax them by actually accepting the bull**** they publish about us and apologizing for it..

what ****s they are (I am so angry and livid today) like that piece of **** atheist who is trying to convince us that boycotting a poor little country like Denmark is really not the right way to go about it..

why do we accommodate these ****s left and right trying to improve an image about us which they have already created in their head and they are here for no other purpose than to convince us of their beliefs...

Do you really want to be friends with these people? you want to extend da3wa to them? The thought of them burning in hell for all eternity is about the only sobering thing that keeps me going as I am filled with rage!
:sl:

sister, i understand your rage - the problem is that we have build defeatist mindset with our defensive and apologetic approach. We are too much concerned about what people think about us and improving our image to fit in. We shouldn't give d@mn about kuffaar think about us and our religion. We know that they will continue to hate us and not accept us until we give up our beliefs.
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AlHoda
01-07-2010, 08:09 PM
:sl:

I just saw the body scanners on google, and ..May Allah protect all Muslims, it is just disgusting and provoking , I am just out of words. :raging:

:wa:
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Dagless
01-07-2010, 08:39 PM
Originally Posted by Billal-A
The reason I say this is because as I have mentioned earlier, the problem is foreign policy, Muslims are not attacking planes and civilian posts because they just simply want to remove non-Muslims from the earth but because they hate the US govt and what it represents. They hate the fact that the US has orphaned Iraq, stole its assets and claimed to seek WMD's from a man now six feet under with no recovery of these weapons. Without a doubt the biggest lie of this decade-past is the claim that Saddaam had WMD's and could set them off in 45 minutes, this was the whole basis for the war in Iraq! Why cant we Muslims be outspoken for the many innocents who have been killed unjustly in this case? Why are people who march against the US oppressors labelled fanatics or extremist Muslims?
Nobody is disagreeing with you. The US has had many unjust wars. However, we are discussing whether airport scanners are a valid answer to the bomb threat. The overall solution is obviously for the US stop supporting terror in the world, but if you want to wait until that happens you'll be waiting a long time.

Originally Posted by Billal-A
Unfortunately for us, all we have to see is our fellow Muslims arguing with one another over this issue, when the blood of our ummah is more honourable than all of this! There is no disobedience to Allaah for the sake of creation and we should not allow legislation like this which is unislamic, once it is introduced and we are forced, then matters take a different direction but for now we speak against this infringement upon our rights!
If the blood of our ummah is so important why doesn't the bomber say to himself "oh no I can't do this now, there are Muslim families on this plane... maybe I should ask them if they are willing to sacrifice themselves and their children". Having a decision like that made on your behalf is a bigger infringment on your rights.

Originally Posted by Billal-A
The worrying thing is, where do we go from here? Should we have cameras in our homes which are viewed by the government too? That would be a safety precaution! Should we remove ayahs about Jihaad? That would be a safety precaution! The list is endless.
Once again you confuse the issue. Camera's in our homes would be unacceptable because they are OUR homes. The airline is a service, it is not YOUR airline, the airport is not YOUR airport. They are owned by others and by using them you have to agree to THEIR terms and conditions.

One question -

Lets say you own a Muslim airline and there are attempts being made to blow up your planes by an unknown group.
You have been given the solution of an airport scanner. These will not cause passengers any delay or inconvenience by having them remove clothes. They may not stop all the attempts but lets say 15% of threats are stopped.

Would you accept this solution? Bearing in mind that 15% would equate to something like 500 lives saved per year.

It's easy to keep saying no, but what other solution would you suggest?
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جوري
01-07-2010, 09:11 PM
Originally Posted by Ferown

It's easy to keep saying no, but what other solution would you suggest?
How about a passport for starters?


http://www.infowars.com/government-a...ttempt-attack/

if you believe in the Al-Qaeda easter bunny crap, then I pity you. It is one thing for them to believe their made lies to further their agenda, and another for Muslims to go along for the ride!

” A true believer shouldn't be bitten from the same snake hole twice.”

:w:
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Dagless
01-07-2010, 09:22 PM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
How about a passport for starters?


http://www.infowars.com/government-a...ttempt-attack/

if you believe in the Al-Qaeda easter bunny crap, then I pity you. It is one thing for them to believe their made lies to further their agenda, and another for Muslims to go along for the ride!

” A true believer shouldn't be bitten from the same snake hole twice.”

:w:
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
@ some point they'll just start implanting chips in people and justify it by the usual scare tactics!
Checking passports is a measure already in place. This guy managed to get around that one check. Its possible he would have got around the scanner too, but maybe he wouldn't. It doesn't support either argument.

Why don't you stick to the topic? You seem intent on imposing beliefs on people about different topics or predicting the future. I have not mentioned Al-Qaeda at any time in this topic and whether chips will be implanted in people or not is unknown/irrelevent. We can discuss the Easter Bunny nearer Easter time if you like.

You did not answer the question I posed either (since passports are already in use).
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Blackpool
01-07-2010, 09:30 PM
...Blame the terrorists for trying to blow up passenger jets. The more they try to attack us, the more action our government will take to prevent it from occuring again even if it means stripping you completely to make sure that you carry nothing. In the good old days prior to 9/11 the airport security was relaxed, laid back and an attack on an airline was unthinkable. The "muslim extremists" are making it tougher for other muslims in the West.
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The_Prince
01-07-2010, 09:36 PM
Originally Posted by Blackpool
...Blame the terrorists for trying to blow up passenger jets. The more they try to attack us, the more action our government will take to prevent it from occuring again even if it means stripping you completely to make sure that you carry nothing. In the good old days prior to 9/11 the airport security was relaxed, laid back and an attack on an airline was unthinkable. The "muslim extremists" are making it tougher for other muslims in the West.
blame you and your governments for bombing their countries, killing their famillies, arresting them, torturing them, and raping them. you should take the blame for them wanting to attack you for all the crimes you have commited. so indeed, blame the terrorists, yourselves.
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The_Prince
01-07-2010, 09:39 PM
Originally Posted by Blackpool
...Blame the terrorists for trying to blow up passenger jets. The more they try to attack us, the more action our government will take to prevent it from occuring again even if it means stripping you completely to make sure that you carry nothing. In the good old days prior to 9/11 the airport security was relaxed, laid back and an attack on an airline was unthinkable. The "muslim extremists" are making it tougher for other muslims in the West.
the good ole days prior 9-11? you imperial terrorist, history didnt start on 9-11, in the 'good ole' days you had already attacked iraq, supported israel with their money and weapons used to occupy Muslim land in Palestine, Lebanon, Egypt, and Syria, not to mention the thousands of civillians they killed with your blessing. you have been bombing and killing Muslims far before 9-11 ever came into being, so dont bring up 9-11 as if history began on this day, but then again, you are an imperial terrorist, and its in your blood to not care about your crimes and victims, you only take note and start opening your mouth when the shoe is on the other foot.

dont make me even bring up Europe's colonolialism in the Muslim world as well. and this is all RECENT HISTORY, so what 'good ole' days? your the terrorist.
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جوري
01-07-2010, 09:45 PM
Originally Posted by Ferown
Checking passports is a measure already in place. This guy managed to get around that one check. Its possible he would have got around the scanner too, but maybe he wouldn't. It doesn't support either argument.

Why don't you stick to the topic? You seem intent on imposing beliefs on people about different topics or predicting the future. I have not mentioned Al-Qaeda at any time in this topic and whether chips will be implanted in people or not is unknown/irrelevent. We can discuss the Easter Bunny nearer Easter time if you like.

You did not answer the question I posed either (since passports are already in use).
you wrote:

Originally Posted by Ferown

It's easy to keep saying no, but what other solution would you suggest?
to which I replied clearly and concisely, that starting with a passport would be a good first step!

If you allege that said security measures are done as to ward off potential terrorist attacks based on these 'apparent threats' then I question why not start with checking for an identity first before jumping into machines that denude people? Unless of course the culprit was aided into the act to allow for mass violation?!


I usually like to not have at it with Muslims and prefer to let go with one or two shortcomings, but don't try me!

all the best!
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alcurad
01-07-2010, 09:45 PM
if the security officials had done their job correctly then the attempt would have been foiled without need of scanners, and anyway, security measures nowadays are so tight in the first place that any would be bomber can only resort to devices that don't really cause much harm and that are clearly not enough to blow up airplanes, notice how the passengers were the ones who subdued the last attempt, and that it wasn't going to work anyway., which leads to the question of how marginal the benefit would be from the scanners as opposed to officials actually doing their job correctly?

the scanners themselves pose no problem if certain safeguards were in place, such as blurring the faces for example, and the images being deleted right away after being checked plus the operator being in a separate room so he wouldn't be able to see who was being scanned etc. but the point is, they're not going to be that effective against current threats to the extent that they're toted to be.

hence they'd be a huge waste of money, a great cause of discomfort for many people as well as have a potentially negative impact on security by imparting confidence in the safety of airplanes and so on but not actually addressing the threat more meaningfully.

in fact, there's speculation on whether the Christmas attack perpetrator would been detected at all using the scanners ...


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-1859947.html
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Dagless
01-07-2010, 09:52 PM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
you wrote:

to which I replied clearly and concisely, that starting with a passport would be a good first step!

If you allege that said security measures are done as to ward off potential terrorist attacks based on these 'apparent threats' then I question why not start with checking for an identity first before jumping into machines that denude people? Unless of course the culprit was aided into the act to allow for mass violation?!


I usually like to not have at it with Muslims and prefer to let go with one or two shortcomings, but don't try me!

all the best!
Its like you suggesting speed camera's to stop speeding. They are already in place, but if a person removes his number plate he can get around them.
What you suggested is already in place. The passenger just found a way to get around this measure.

Nobody is trying you and we are not "having" anything. As a brother mentioned before; nothing is meant personally. This is a civilized topic with the hope of reaching a common solution :p
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
01-07-2010, 09:53 PM
And the solution is to get rid of the stupid scanners. I'm not letting a freak see me like that.
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Vito
01-07-2010, 09:59 PM
Originally Posted by alcurad
if the security officials had done their job correctly then the attempt would have been foiled without need of scanners, and anyway, security measures nowadays are so tight in the first place that any would be bomber can only resort to devices that don't really cause much harm and that are clearly not enough to blow up airplanes, notice how the passengers were the ones who subdued the last attempt, and that it wasn't going to work anyway., which leads to the question of how marginal the benefit would be from the scanners as opposed to officials actually doing their job correctly?

the scanners themselves pose no problem if certain safeguards were in place, such as blurring the faces for example, and the images being deleted right away after being checked plus the operator being in a separate room so he wouldn't be able to see who was being scanned etc. but the point is, they're not going to be that effective against current threats to the extent that they're toted to be.

hence they'd be a huge waste of money, a great cause of discomfort for many people as well as have a potentially negative impact on security by imparting confidence in the safety of airplanes and so on but not actually addressing the threat more meaningfully.

in fact, there's speculation on whether the Christmas attack perpetrator would been detected at all using the scanners ...


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-1859947.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#34615697

And just to add to this, go to the 3 minute mark. This guy speaks the truth.
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PersiaBeFree
01-08-2010, 04:42 AM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
:sl:
PersiaBeFree , Terrorists don't belong to any specific religion or country .
1) I'm not the one you need to convince of that. Not that there isn't a lot of convincing to be done.

2) The scanners are for everyone.
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Muslim Woman
01-08-2010, 05:07 AM
:sl:



I hope it's not off-topic but I want to know how exactly passengers caught that alleged criminal ?

He managed to went inside the plane but did not go to washroom to bring that bomb from under garments . He tried to take it out in front of others ? Is that logical ?

Now authorities are sure that there is no more danger and in future if anyone tries to do the same , machine will successfully take image of what is inside the unger garment ?? What about all the airport and airline staff who can manage to go inside the Plane ? Who will check them 24/7 ?

And not only 14 countries but all passengers from any country will have to go through those scanners ? I wonder what Catholic Nuns are thinking about this ?
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PersiaBeFree
01-08-2010, 12:35 PM
Originally Posted by The_Prince
Originally Posted by Blackpool
... The "muslim extremists" are making it tougher for other muslims in the West.
... you are an imperial terrorist, and its in your blood to not care about your crimes and victims, you only take note and start opening your mouth when the shoe is on the other foot.
The_Prince, I'm not disputing your point about history, but note the distinction Blackpool makes above, vs your lack of any--unless you believe Blackpool himself has been orchestrating or implementing that history.

I heard it said in this very forum that Islam is better than tribalism. Let it be so.
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PersiaBeFree
01-08-2010, 12:46 PM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
:sl:
I hope it's not off-topic but I want to know how exactly passengers caught that alleged criminal ?

He managed to went inside the plane but did not go to washroom to bring that bomb from under garments .
He did. He spent 20 minutes in the washroom, presumably to take it out. He then draped a blanket over himself in his seat, presumably to be able to ignite the bomb. The passenger who jumped on him saw him sitting there holding something on fire.

That's what I read.
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YusufNoor
01-08-2010, 12:49 PM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
:sl:



I hope it's not off-topic but I want to know how exactly passengers caught that alleged criminal ?

He managed to went inside the plane but did not go to washroom to bring that bomb from under garments . He tried to take it out in front of others ? Is that logical ?

Now authorities are sure that there is no more danger and in future if anyone tries to do the same , machine will successfully take image of what is inside the unger garment ?? What about all the airport and airline staff who can manage to go inside the Plane ? Who will check them 24/7 ?

And not only 14 countries but all passengers from any country will have to go through those scanners ? I wonder what Catholic Nuns are thinking about this ?
:sl:


IF said bomb went off an nobody knew why the plane was destroyed, then there would be no push for the full body scanners! BUT when some moron TRIES to "set off" said "device" AND the people get to stop him/her, THEN you get what you want, which is: Airports begging for the scanners and another reason for people to hate Muslims! it's like a "Christmas present" for the Zionists forces of Dajjal!

you see, everyone was afraid to install the scanners for fear of all of the expected protests. NOW, they can't install them fast enough! :heated:

gee, i wonder how that happened?! :nervous:


:wa:
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Ar-RaYYan
01-08-2010, 07:56 PM
I was looking forward to going to umrah this summer but this just spoilt it!imsad
Not only am i going to depart from Heathrow Airport but Saudi Arabia happens to be one of the 14 countries where passengers have to be fully body scanned.
I will refuse it at first and insist that i rather have a female worker pat me down than man looking at my awrah!


Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
lol what are you going to do? tell them you've chorea and punch them at will alleging it is an uncontrolled medical condition? Say what a brilliant idea ;D
lol :D
I have few months to come up with as many excuses as I can why i couldnt possibly go through those scanners. Do you think they will take me seriously if i say that?
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Muezzin
01-08-2010, 08:07 PM
These full body scanners would not have been able to detect the 'Christmas Bomb Plotter's explosives. So foisting the machines on the public as a response to that event does a disservice to people's intelligence, to say the least.
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Life_Is_Short
01-09-2010, 01:38 AM
They can't do that without your consent.
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PersiaBeFree
01-09-2010, 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by Muezzin
These full body scanners would not have been able to detect the 'Christmas Bomb Plotter's explosives. So foisting the machines on the public as a response to that event does a disservice to people's intelligence, to say the least.
It's no doubt a case of 'do something, anything'.

But actually I think it would give an underwear guy pause. But even if so, it just drives forward the arms race. I'm waiting for someone to swallow a bomb.
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Ramadhan
01-09-2010, 02:52 PM
Originally Posted by PersiaBeFree
It's no doubt a case of 'do something, anything'.

But actually I think it would give an underwear guy pause. But even if so, it just drives forward the arms race. I'm waiting for someone to swallow a bomb.
I think you are right about this.
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Muslim Woman
01-09-2010, 04:04 PM
Salaam/Peace

Originally Posted by PersiaBeFree
.... He then draped a blanket over himself in his seat, presumably to be able to ignite the bomb. .

why did not he do that / blast the bomb inside the washroom ? No one was there to catch him.
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zakirs
01-09-2010, 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
Salaam/Peace




why did not he do that / blast the bomb inside the washroom ? No one was there to catch him.
Thank god he didn't do that , many innocent people lived. :)
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Muslim Woman
01-09-2010, 06:05 PM
:sl:

Originally Posted by zakirs
Thank god he didn't do that , many innocent people lived. :)
Alhamdulillah no one did that but question is WHY the alleged crimianl did not do that ? Why he tried to do that in front of other passengers ?

And who are these brave and intelligent passengers who caught such a criminal who managed to fool the whole CIA / US security system ? So , time to replace CIA chief and appoint any of those passengers in his chair.
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zakirs
01-09-2010, 06:28 PM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
:sl:



Alhamdulillah no one did that but question is WHY the alleged crimianl did not do that ? Why he tried to do that in front of other passengers ?

And who are these brave and intelligent passengers who caught such a criminal who managed to fool the whole CIA / US security system ? So , time to replace CIA chief and appoint any of those passengers in his chair.
Sister :sl:

Let us not be paranoid and get suspicious without proof.Surely we have very less knowledge and neither do we have experienced the event personally.Lets Pray that Allah protect us from evil in this life :).

Don't get all suspicious and read into conspiracy stories related to everything.
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Dagless
01-09-2010, 06:31 PM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
:sl:



Alhamdulillah no one did that but question is WHY the alleged crimianl did not do that ? Why he tried to do that in front of other passengers ?

And who are these brave and intelligent passengers who caught such a criminal who managed to fool the whole CIA / US security system ? So , time to replace CIA chief and appoint any of those passengers in his chair.
I would guess he wanted to kill as many passengers as possible. The toilet area is enclosed and might have seriously lessened the blast.
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جوري
01-09-2010, 06:32 PM
Are we paranoid?

Airport Security: Is Israel the Answer?

Posted:
01/8/10
Filed Under:Terror, Woman Up, International

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Well, Alex, there's one obvious solution to the rampant dysfunction you so colorfully describe in that hilarious recap of your recent journey from India back to the United States. And I can sum it up in one word: Israel.

Over the past week or so, much ink has been spilled over the pros and cons of airport security techniques as diverse as body scanners (child porn?), passenger profiling (racist or just plain smart?) and the prohibition on bathroom breaks during the last hour of the flight (cruel and unusual punishment?). Surprisingly, what people aren't talking so much about are the methods employed by the country that pioneered and perfected aviation security, Israel. Get the new
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Israel has lived with terrorist threats since its inception as a nation-state. A fascinating article in The Toronto Star last week provided a detailed explanation of the multi-tiered, incredibly effective and -- by all accounts -- remarkably efficient system that the Israelis have devised to both detect and manage security threats at Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion Airport. Despite facing dozens of potential threats each day, that airport's security has not been breached since 2002, when a passenger mistakenly carried a handgun onto a flight. The kicker: There aren't even long lines.

Here's how it works: From the moment you drive into the parking lot of the airport from one of two entrances, armed guards are there to monitor your car and ask you two questions: How are you and why are you here? Once inside, more questions follow as you wait in line to check in, accompanied by hand inspections of your bags when security personnel deem that wise. Finally, there's a layer of scanners and metal detectors. At all stages of the process, the Israelis employ profiling, but it's not profiling based on race, but on behavior. They are looking for things like body language and profuse sweating and other signs of unease. Crucially -- and in contrast to the United States -- your bag remains with you until your security check is complete, and you do the security checkbefore you obtain your ticket, not after.

What really distinguishes the Israeli security measures, however, is the extensive use of questioning. It's not just the casual "Have your bags been with you since you packed them?" sort of thing. It is, instead, detailed and probing and -- significantly -- once the security official starts asking you questions, s/he will never once take his eyes off of yours. This can, of course, be disconcerting. When I attended a wedding in Israel a few years back, a friend of mine -- young, single, male and traveling with two different passports, one British and one Australian -- was detained for several hours by the airport security team. Among other things, they asked to see all of the photos he'd taken on his trip and asked him why he didn't appear in any of them. (Answer: He was taking the pictures). Another friend was asked to give the security officials a pair of her jeans . . . to keep. They never told her why.

There are several reasons to think that moving towards the Israeli model would be superior to the sorts of measures that the U.S. and the U.K. have begun to implement in recent weeks. For starters, as Ria points out, profiling people by country is not a sure-fire way to screen all would-be terrorists. By enflaming the embers of anti-Islamic sentiment, this tactic could actually incite more people to commit acts of terror out of sheer resentment, rather than contain such acts.

It's also not clear that the best measure of the effectiveness of our airport security apparatus is the number of thwarted attacks, as is often thought to be the case. The best measure of our security is actually the number of attacks that aren't even attempted because would-be perpetrators fear being caught. That's counter-factual, and so it's impossible to know for sure. Still, looking at the ratio between the number of people who've said explicitly that they'd like to wipe Israel off the face of the earth and the number of attacks occurring at Ben Gurion over the last few decades, you'd have to say that the Israeli strategy seems to be working in this regard.

There are, to be sure, a number of costs to so-called Israelification. The difference in scale between the size of Israel and the U.S., for example, is enormous. By American standards, in terms of passengers served, Ben Gurion is like a busy regional airport on the order of Sacramento. So implementing Israeli-style security measures nationwide would be quite a feat.

For one thing, retraining employees at the Department of Homeland Security and the Transportation Security Agency along the lines of the Israeli model -- and both entities are already organizationally challenged -- would be both labor-intensive and expensive.

Finally, if Jan thinks civil liberties issues are involved in America's newest watch lists and security measures, those pale in comparison to the kind of liberties you'd need to give up were this scenario enacted (see above on photos and jeans). "Intrusive" would get a whole new meaning, something Bonnie got a taste of two years ago.

To be clear, I'm not advocating a full-scale Israelification for the United States' airports (although the U.K.'s smaller size makes it a much better candidate). But if we really want to talk turkey where airport security is concerned, we should certainly be at least considering it.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/01...-the-answer%2F
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Banu_Hashim
01-09-2010, 06:53 PM
This is disgusting. Which countries are going to implement this?
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جوري
01-09-2010, 06:55 PM
can't you see that this whole charade is a ploy? Except they make no effort to even hide it.. and now naturally they look to 'Israel' for answers..

hilarious!
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Ar-RaYYan
01-09-2010, 10:19 PM
Originally Posted by Banu_Hashim
This is disgusting. Which countries are going to implement this?
Well UK has already agreed to implent them soon. They are going to start with major airports such as Heathrow. Other countries will no doubt follow them (I think some German airports have already got them).
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Cabdullahi
01-09-2010, 10:43 PM
No choice but to wrap this around us

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Muslim Woman
01-10-2010, 08:50 AM
:sl:

Originally Posted by Ferown
I would guess he wanted to kill as many passengers as possible. The toilet area is enclosed and might have seriously lessened the blast.
but right after coming from toilet , he could have done it ?

A Convenient Bomb Plot

By Finian Cunningham

So, just when the US public is growing increasingly weary of these trillion-dollar wars that are killing young Americans and innocent villagers with no end in sight and for no credible purpose, and just when Washington wants to expand its regional war into Yemen - we conveniently have the "Christmas Day bomb plot" with a Yemeni connection.

Now, that is a gift for US war aims.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24355.htm
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Cabdullahi
01-11-2010, 12:14 AM
They can see you inside your house
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YusufNoor
01-11-2010, 12:22 AM
Originally Posted by Abdullahii
They can see you inside your house
:sl:

they can do ANYTHING!

EXCEPT "find" Usama bin Laden! ;D

:wa:
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Abdul Qadir
01-11-2010, 12:27 AM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
a friend of my a very respectful elderly Syrian man and his wife were asked to remove the diaper from their granddaughter in the airport because elderly Muslims love to wrap explosives in children diapers...

you know what the problem is, we're are not defining the limits of what is acceptable..
from complete insolence toward the prophet and Islam,from framing innocent people, to abuse of civilians in foreign nations, kowtowing to them in our homelands, letting them strip us of our money and history while apologizing for crimes we didn't commit, and trying to coax them by actually accepting the bull**** they publish about us and apologizing for it..

why do we accommodate these [people] left and right trying to improve an image about us which they have already created in their head and they are here for no other purpose than to convince us of their beliefs...

Do you really want to be friends with these people? you want to extend da3wa to them? The thought of them burning in hell for all eternity is about the only sobering thing that keeps me going as I am filled with rage!
I like your religious rage...I have the same anger but i just cannot express it like u do...my hands are tied...maybe its all for good...how i hate my parents in terms of religion..
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Joe98
01-11-2010, 03:24 AM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye

Re: How do you feel about those full body scanners?

The next time I fly, I'll wear my underpants on the outside - then there can be no doubt ;D

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Amanda
01-11-2010, 07:52 AM
I hate the idea of being subjected to such a scan, but at the same time, safety comes first. As others pointed out, when safety is an issue, the regulations of Islam can be relaxed, so long as you never renounce your faith. Also, it's not just the idea of "I'd rather die than get a scan"... would you want your family to be at risk, children, parents, loved ones? Just because people disagree with the idea of the scan? Besides, from everything I understand, you can always ask for a body pat down instead, although I personally feel that is more invasive.

Having said that, I do respect those who are against it and your right to your opinion. And I hope that after asking the question, no one gets upset at others for sharing their opinion.
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Cabdullahi
01-11-2010, 09:36 AM
Originally Posted by Amanda
I hate the idea of being subjected to such a scan, but at the same time, safety comes first. As others pointed out, when safety is an issue, the regulations of Islam can be relaxed, so long as you never renounce your faith. Also, it's not just the idea of "I'd rather die than get a scan"... would you want your family to be at risk, children, parents, loved ones? Just because people disagree with the idea of the scan? Besides, from everything I understand, you can always ask for a body pat down instead, although I personally feel that is more invasive.

Having said that, I do respect those who are against it and your right to your opinion. And I hope that after asking the question, no one gets upset at others for sharing their opinion.
There is no danger
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Asiyah3
01-11-2010, 09:59 AM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
a friend of my a very respectful elderly Syrian man and his wife were asked to remove the diaper from their granddaughter in the airport because elderly Muslims love to wrap explosives in children diapers...

you know what the problem is, we're are not defining the limits of what is acceptable..
from complete insolence toward the prophet and Islam,from framing innocent people, to abuse of civilians in foreign nations, kowtowing to them in our homelands, letting them strip us of our money and history while apologizing for crimes we didn't commit, and trying to coax them by actually accepting the bull**** they publish about us and apologizing for it..

why do we accommodate these [people] left and right trying to improve an image about us which they have already created in their head and they are here for no other purpose than to convince us of their beliefs...
I 100% second that
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
01-11-2010, 04:52 PM
Originally Posted by YusufNoor
:sl:

they can do ANYTHING!

EXCEPT "find" Usama bin Laden! ;D

:wa:
Seriously :hmm: lol
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YusufNoor
01-16-2010, 03:39 AM
:sl:


Full-body scanners used on air passengers may damage human DNA

story here:

http://www.naturalnews.com/027913_fu...nners_DNA.html

:wa:
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جوري
01-16-2010, 08:50 PM
Originally Posted by YusufNoor
:sl:


Full-body scanners used on air passengers may damage human DNA

story here:

http://www.naturalnews.com/027913_fu...nners_DNA.html

:wa:
I was thinking of all those people who can't afford xrays, CT's and MRI's should just buy a cheap ticket to somewhere and get their scan at the airport..

sob7an Allah

:w:
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IceQueen~
01-24-2010, 04:14 PM
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته


These body scanners are ALREADY in place at Manchester airport -they produce 'naked' pictures of the body right through the clothes using electromagnetic waves

This is totally haram as awrah - body figure/shape, flesh etc can be seen (not like x-ray)


We need to pick a fuss and do something about this -many Muslims aren't even aware

when it came in US the Muslims picked a fuss and so they gave them a choice but now they've already put them in place here in UK and Muslims aren't even aware!!

they are coming in Heathrow in a few weeks time if not already in place (on the net it said they are picking people at random for it at Heathrow at the moment..random...Muslims?)

Please make people aware -some Muslims are aware but don't think it so serious -if you search online and take a look at the pics you'll understand -

the other thing is you cant tell just by looking at them what they show so many Muslims are probably going right through without even knowing anything

pics can be saved too...
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deepfreeze66
01-24-2010, 04:24 PM
Originally Posted by IceQueen~
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته


These body scanners are ALREADY in place at Manchester airport -they produce 'naked' pictures of the body right through the clothes using electromagnetic waves

This is totally haram as awrah - body figure/shape, flesh etc can be seen (not like x-ray)


We need to pick a fuss and do something about this -many Muslims aren't even aware

when it came in US the Muslims picked a fuss and so they gave them a choice but now they've already put them in place here in UK and Muslims aren't even aware!!

they are coming in Heathrow in a few weeks time if not already in place (on the net it said they are picking people at random for it at Heathrow at the moment..random...Muslims?)

Please make people aware -some Muslims are aware but don't think it so serious -if you search online and take a look at the pics you'll understand -

the other thing is you cant tell just by looking at them what they show so many Muslims are probably going right through without even knowing anything

pics can be saved too...
So... they give Muslims a choice NOT to use those scanners, but the rest of us can't?

Our politicians are going too far. I'm all for Muslims having their religious rights, but the rest of humanity has dignity as well, we do not want people to see blotched images of cleavage and private areas, please listen to US TOO, THANKS! :raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging::r aging::raging::raging::raging::raging::raging:
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IceQueen~
01-24-2010, 04:27 PM
^the choice is given in US BECAUSE the Muslims picked afuss there -we all need to pick a fuss here too -everybody who has any sense of modesty or humanity even in them
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Insaanah
01-24-2010, 04:29 PM
There was a thread on this I think:

http://www.islamicboard.com/general/...-scanners.html
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deepfreeze66
01-24-2010, 04:31 PM
Originally Posted by IceQueen~
^the choice is given in US BECAUSE the Muslims picked afuss there -we all need to pick a fuss here too -everybody who has any sense of modesty or humanity even in them
Well, get the truck ready then. I'm no sheep, I was raised in modesty, I'm not a westerner, and I WILL NOT TAKE THIS! Humanity! not naked body scanners!

What Americans need to do is stand with the Muslims and feed off of their success in this, and say the same thing, THIS IS DISGUSTING, USE MY FREAKING TAX MONEY FOR SOMETHING ELSE!!
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deepfreeze66
01-24-2010, 04:33 PM
Originally Posted by Insane Insaan
There was a thread on this I think:

http://www.islamicboard.com/general/...-scanners.html
We should ALL stand against this - this violates not only human decency but Islamic principles as well! Showing a blotched image of your cleavage and private parts with some guy behind a screen examining it is not very Islamic either!!

I even saw a video on Youtube of a TSA agent snickering at one of the pictures. It got removed, though.
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Clover
01-24-2010, 04:33 PM
I am glad they have things for precautions, I don't care if people see me naked, I don't go outside naked, but if their wanting to make sure I am not packing anything harmful, fine with me.
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
01-24-2010, 07:51 PM
People who have self Modesty care :). and its not fine with them..
Has the respect for others and rights ended? or helping someone :|
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Cabdullahi
01-24-2010, 07:55 PM
3/4 aluminum foil pants to cover the awrah:thumbs_up
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
01-24-2010, 08:10 PM
^^ Wow really .. i c.. i dont wat you mean tho!
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Rialah
01-24-2010, 08:13 PM
Hmmmm

Touchy matter yes yes yes :hmm:

The thing is the last time I went to Africa with my child on a long haul flight which detoured through Europe, we had a hard time.

To be honest we were practically naked or at least I felt so by the time we went through the security area.

You have to put your bag, your coat and your shoes in one plastic bowl, your handluggage in another, your watch, jewellery, toilet bag, babybag, belt and any outer jacket or cardigan in another.

Basically I was left holding my skiet which was a belt up skirt gingerly to prevent it from falling to my knees and with the cold my teeth were chattering. Then off to the other side where I had to take a huge swig of milk and juice from the baby's bottle and they tested the toothpaste and checked the soap box, opened the nappy bags, rifled thru all the things in the bag and then left us to pack ourselves together with as much dignity as we could muster and go find our flight. We had a repeat session by the time we got to europe and stopped for our transit flight.

I would say,....... patience patience, cos you see at Lagos Airport, there are around 5 security points and they go through your bags holding up your delicate items one by one before you can even check in, then they make you go out into the hold to ' identify' your bags then you come back in and you have to go to security check where they scan your passport and ticket into a pc and then they let you go to be stamped out, then you have to go and be cleared to depart before you can go on the long walk to your flight.

In England at least if you protest, they may humour you, In Lagos, if you don't learn to try to smile and say yes sir thank you sir no problem sir okay sir alright sir, you will go nowhere and could end up with a ride in a black maria.

May Almighty Allah put out the fire of fear of Terrorism and terrorism itself before it consumes us all. Amen
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
01-24-2010, 08:16 PM
^ Ameen . . . . . .
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Life_Is_Short
01-24-2010, 08:30 PM
Indecency is not seen prejudicial in the west. :raging:
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Clover
01-24-2010, 10:17 PM
Originally Posted by Muslim World 12
People who have self Modesty care :). and its not fine with them..
Has the respect for others and rights ended? or helping someone :|
Well, aren't you just a little sarcastic :p. Sorry if I care about the safety of not getting blown out of the sky to being seen naked... (yes, that's also sarcasm)

Originally Posted by Life_Is_Short
Indecency is not seen prejudicial in the west. :raging:
That is a quick statement, I have never seen a person in the nude or drunk in public in 17 years, so apparently it isn't all that bad.
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deepfreeze66
01-24-2010, 10:19 PM
Originally Posted by Life_Is_Short
Indecency is not seen prejudicial in the west. :raging:
That statement was not really necessary considering the whole world realizes that the west has almost lost it's ENTIRE dignity... what decency do they have left now????

And now they will force it on the rest of us. Fight it for decency everyone, please!
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waqas maqsood
01-25-2010, 05:51 AM
What a DREAM job for a pervert!

JOB VACANCY

Starting salary: Excess of £25k Benefits: Adrenaline rush- Increase in hormone levels
Job description: Monitoring naked men, women and children- May need to feel them and put your hand in innapropriate places- SECURITY BEFORE SANITY!
Qualifications: Degree in distinguishing between men and women
Requirement: Outgoing and Outspoken- Have pride and self-esteem
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CosmicPathos
01-25-2010, 05:57 AM
oooh but its for your safety in the air!
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02-01-2010, 01:14 PM
:sl:

Inverted Body Scanner Image Shows Naked Body In Full Living Color

Claim that devices did not show details of genitals exposed as a lie

[DISGUSTING IMAGE]

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Friday, January 8, 2010

The full body scanners that President Obama last night authorized to be rolled out in airports across the country at a cost of over $1 billion dollars not only produce detailed pictures of your genitals, but once inverted some of those images also display your naked body in full living color.

And you don’t need to be a graphics wizard using a $600 software suite like Photoshop to pull off the trick – inverting a photo is a simple process that takes one click and is an option available even in the most basic image editing software.

We were sent examples of the process by readers and then tested it for ourselves to confirm that simply inverting some of the pictures produced by the body scanners creates a near-perfect replica of a naked body in full color.

[ANOTHER DISGUSTING IMAGE]

It is important to stress that this is a low resolution image. Airport screeners will have access to huge high definition images that, once inverted, will allow them to see every minute detail of your body.

The inversion trick doesn’t work for all the sample images produced by body scanners, but with or without its application, every image will still show details of your sexual organs. Even without being inverted, the images already break child porn laws in the UK.

Reassurances that airport screeners won’t be abe to save the images will provide little comfort to parents who know that the crystal clear image of their naked son or daughter being ogled by a TSA thug can merely be snapped with a handheld camera for their enjoyment later.

Apologists for the scanners have routinely described the images they produce as “ghostly” or “skeletal” in an effort to downplay the intrusion of privacy they really represent.

As we reported yesterday, claims that the body scanners did not provide details of genitals were disproven after a London Guardian journalist who was present at a trial for the machines earlier this week reported that the devices produce an image which make “genitals eerily visible.”

German Security advisor Hans-Detlef Dau, a representative for a company that sells the scanners, admits that the machines, “show intimate piercings, catheters and the form of breasts and penises”.


Indeed, as was admitted when the scanners were first being rolled out over a year ago, they don’t function properly if areas of the body are blurred out.

A report from October 2008, when the naked body scanners were first being introduced at Melbourne Airport in Australia, detailed how the X-ray backscatter devices don’t work properly unless the genitals of people going through them are visible.

“It will show the private parts of people, but what we’ve decided is that we’re not going to blur those out, because it severely limits the detection capabilities,” said Office of Transport Security manager Cheryl Johnson.

“It is possible to see genitals and breasts while they’re going through the machine,” she admitted.

TV news reports have been deliberately misleading viewers by blurring out faces and genitals of people in images produced by the scanners. When it comes to the real thing, your sexual organs and those of your children will be on full display to officials sat alone in back rooms, and with a simple inversion trick, your daughter’s naked body in full living high definition color will be there to be enjoyed by screeners.




SOURCE:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/inverted...ing-color.html

IMPORTANT: The above link contains some DISGUSTING images so be ready to COVER the screen before clicking the link!!!




SIGN here to stop:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Air...anners/#detail
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...
02-01-2010, 01:25 PM
*bump*

(above post edited)
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Asiyah3
02-01-2010, 01:52 PM
Originally Posted by Rose_Ice
*bump*

(above post edited)
Those pictures are literally horrible.
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Life_Is_Short
02-01-2010, 03:04 PM
What has the world come to? Astagfirullah. :muddlehea

In another Article they say "there seems little doubt that the naked scanners will eventually be rolled out at other transport hubs and after another staged terror attack, on the streets, in shopping malls, at sporting events and any other places of public congregation, as has already been proposed."


I believe this to be more ethically and morally wrong than test tube babies. :exhausted
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Ansariyah
02-01-2010, 03:09 PM
Shilax we can always travel by boats.
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Italianguy
02-01-2010, 04:29 PM
Thats old news...They can do that now. Heck even the scanners they have now can take thermal imageing photos and be modified to see skin.
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Muhammad
02-01-2010, 04:41 PM
:sl:

Threads merged!
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cat eyes
02-01-2010, 04:42 PM
inshaAllah im hoping to go to new york this year been wanting to go for ages now.. this is exactly what i am dreading when coming in to the airport :(
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Italianguy
02-01-2010, 04:44 PM
Originally Posted by cat eyes
inshaAllah im hoping to go to new york this year been wanting to go for ages now.. this is exactly what i am dreading when coming in to the airport :(
Thats why i just drive to NY, I love my hometown:D I doubt JFK or Lagaurdia have these yet. So you should be safe:D.....Or actually they would probably be the first to have them:hmm:
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cat eyes
02-01-2010, 04:52 PM
Originally Posted by Italianguy
Thats why i just drive to NY, I love my hometown:D I doubt JFK or Lagaurdia have these yet. So you should be safe:D.....Or actually they would probably be the first to have them:hmm:
lol wish i could drive there but i have to take a plane ride... and i hate flying toimsad
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Italianguy
02-01-2010, 04:59 PM
Originally Posted by cat eyes
lol wish i could drive there but i have to take a plane ride... and i hate flying toimsad
Don't be scared sis:D Flying is fun! I have flown to Germany, England, Italy, France, Spain, Greece, Hawaii, and all up and down the eastern seaboard of US.....btw, i have a pilot's license(PPL), but haven't flown in almost a year.

When i say i have flown to diiferent countries, i meant on commercial....i was just a passenger. I have only flown single engine prop planes myself, and only in state or to North Carolina.
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cat eyes
02-01-2010, 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by Italianguy
Don't be scared sis:D Flying is fun! I have flown to Germany, England, Italy, France, Spain, Greece, Hawaii, and all up and down the eastern seaboard of US.....btw, i have a pilot's license(PPL), but haven't flown in almost a year.
u don't know how i scared i get. i am actually afraid of heights... my last trip was to London it was only about an hour away and as soon as the plane took off i start to have a panick attack and started to cry. :embarrass everybody was looking at me. wow thats so cool u have a pilot license. :D
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Supreme
02-01-2010, 05:10 PM
I think when I fly next, these scanners will be more of an annoyance than anything else. As long as they don't store anything, I don't really see the harm.
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Life_Is_Short
02-01-2010, 05:20 PM
Originally Posted by Supreme
As long as they don't store anything,
No, but......

Reassurances that airport screeners won’t be abe to save the images will provide little comfort to parents who know that the crystal clear image of their naked son or daughter being ogled by a TSA thug can merely be snapped with a handheld camera for their enjoyment later.
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cat eyes
02-01-2010, 05:24 PM
but all the scanners can do is see the bones right? thats hardly going to turn any pervert on?
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Supreme
02-01-2010, 06:07 PM
Originally Posted by Life_Is_Short
No, but......
As far as I'm aware, all staff using the scanners will have been checked beforehand. And I don't think the images can be used for sexual gratification in the same way pornography can be, because they're so **** poor in quality.
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Life_Is_Short
02-01-2010, 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by cat eyes
but all the scanners can do is see the bones right?
Why would they want to look at your bones?? To check for broken limbs?

;D

Sister, did you read the article (above)?
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جوري
02-01-2010, 07:37 PM
Originally Posted by Supreme
As far as I'm aware, all staff using the scanners will have been checked beforehand. And I don't think the images can be used for sexual gratification in the same way pornography can be, because they're so **** poor in quality.
The point is never whether or not you can sexually gratify someone, it is a matter of human sanctity and dignity.. other than that, you don't actually know what they do with the photos and who gets off on what.. people do lewd acts with far less than this full body frontal and back nudity!
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Supreme
02-01-2010, 07:53 PM
Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
The point is never whether or not you can sexually gratify someone, it is a matter of human sanctity and dignity.. other than that, you don't actually know what they do with the photos and who gets off on what.. people do lewd acts with far less than this full body frontal and back nudity!
Solution being, don't fly. It truly is as simple as that.
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جوري
02-01-2010, 08:29 PM
Originally Posted by Supreme
Solution being, don't fly. It truly is as simple as that.
It isn't up to you to decide how people should conduct their affairs, it is as moronic as saying you must be subjected to pirates or simply don't go on that cruise vacation.

flying is a necessity for many which which they pay for, in fact if everyone took you on your advise then airlines would go bankrupt, and many lines already are:

http://www.concierge.com/cntraveler/...e-bankrup.html

There needs to be a solution that caters to the comfort of the passengers without subjecting them to undue radiation or humiliation.

Just because you want your premiere porno flick at the airport doesn't mean everyone else does!
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★ηαѕιнα★
02-01-2010, 08:56 PM
Are they just in England those body scanners or also abroad? Like i dunno: Holland?
Theres always travelling by car or bus to avoid those things. Takes a bit longer but spares you the humiliation..

Salaam alaikom
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جوري
02-01-2010, 09:03 PM
This is an amero-Israeli venture... sure to be employed in the rest of Europe in their crusade against Muslims..
No time to kowtow to yet another insolent act.. time to stand united against this abomination!

:w:
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AlbanianMuslim
02-01-2010, 09:25 PM
Why do you say its an amero-israeli venture? is there evidence of this?

If there isnt, I dont feel that bringing Israel into the equation is necessary. I know some very conservative jewish students at my university who identify themselves with Israel that are very much against this idea.


Lets try not to group everyone in one category.
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جوري
02-01-2010, 09:35 PM
Israeli mind-scanner may take over US airports
Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:41:02 GMT
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As part of stringent measures to beef up airport security, US authorities may use an Israeli-made mind-reading scanner that allegedly predicts whether a passenger is a potential threat or not.

The Transportation and Safety Administration (TSA) and the Homeland Security are considering the installment of a controversial mind-reading system, that was recently developed by the Israeli-based WeCU Technologies, in all American airports, AP reported on Thursday.

The device, which functions by blending high computer technology and behavioral psychology, is essentially designed to "get inside the evildoers head" without the subject's knowledge and prevent him or her from placing the lives of fellow travelers in jeopardy.

According to WeCU Technologies CEO, Ehud Givon, people cannot help reacting mechanically to recognizable images that suddenly appear in unfamiliar places.

With that in mind, the system aims to project images onto airport screens, such as symbols affiliated with a terrorist group or signs only a terrorist would recognize.

Givon said while the WeCU system would use humans to do some of the observing, it would rely largely on concealed cameras or covert biometric sensors that can distinguish a rise in body temperature and heart rate, however slight it may be.

“One by one, you can screen out from the flow of people those with specific malicious intent,” Givon claimed.

The controversial device has sparked an outcry among civil rights groups, who argue that a system that combs through your brain to look for evil intentions is "Orwellian" and akin to "brain fingerprinting."

The groups note that the US should not follow in Israeli footsteps with regards to Airport security. At the Ben-Gurion Airport in Israel, Jewish Israelis pass through smoothly, while Arab Palestinians are taken aside for closer interrogation or even strip searches.

The US is already subjected to wide-spread controversy over the appliance of full body scanners, which according to critics, are in violation of child protection laws as well as the right of travelers to privacy.


SBB/DT

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...tionid=3510203


do you really need an article to connect the dots for you?
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M..x
02-01-2010, 09:49 PM
OMG. This is disgusting. Man I'm scared for wha tha future holds for us Muslims in tha West =(. They're so evil man =( =(. How can they be so intrusive, yuck. God knows what they'll have for us next man. I wat to du hijrah =(. They're treating and controlling our lives as if its some sort of sick game to them. Guess living here just makes us all puppets in their games. Allah save us. Buh I guess, to what lengths can they go, Verily Allah azaajal is stronger than all of mankind.
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Life_Is_Short
02-01-2010, 10:05 PM
My parents are flying via Getwick in a few weeks time. Should i tell them? :hmm:
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M..x
02-01-2010, 10:12 PM
^ Sis, I think you'd rather tell them than them find out later. Argh. I can't believe we have to take crap like this. Why don't they freakin' get it, not EVERY Muslim is a terrorist & not every stoopid daym terrorist is a Muslim... How would they like it if they were exposed to a **** stranger????? Not very comfortable. It is bludy unecessary & silly... & I so hate that person whu made that silly plot to bomb tha plane. WAY TO GO (!)
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Life_Is_Short
02-01-2010, 10:15 PM
Originally Posted by x Muslimah x
^ Sis, I think you'd rather tell them than them find out later. Argh. I can't believe we have to take crap like this. Why don't they freakin' get it, not EVERY Muslim is a terrorist & not every stoopid daym terrorist is a Muslim... How would they like it if they were exposed to a **** stranger????? Not very comfortable. It is bludy unecessary & silly... & I so hate that person whu made that silly plot to bomb tha plane. WAY TO GO (!)
I don't want to give this kind of news to my parents. :embarrass
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Muezzin
02-01-2010, 10:44 PM
Thread temporarily closed for cleanup. If the fighting does not stop after it is re-opened, it will be permanently closed.

EDIT: Thread re-opened.
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Italianguy
02-02-2010, 02:10 AM
Poeple are putting too much effort into this. It is going to happen wether you like it or not. They will be able to see anything, anywhere, at anytime soon. From satalites to cell phone voice recognition matching data. Privacy will be something we start reffering to as "remember when you were a kid in 2010, back in the day, when there was privacy" . You can fight it, stand up against it, try to kill it, speak out agaisnt it......but fact is fact......they're watching you.
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Muslim Woman
02-02-2010, 05:44 AM
Salaam/Peace

Originally Posted by Italianguy
..From satalites
from satelites , can they watch anyone uncovered ?



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Privacy will be something we start reffering to as "remember when you were a kid in 2010, back in the day, when there was privacy" .
time has come ; we should start saying : once upon a time , when there ........
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Italianguy
02-02-2010, 05:51 AM
Originally Posted by Muslim Woman
Salaam/Peace



from satelites , can they watch anyone uncovered ?



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time has come ; we should start saying : once upon a time , when there ........
As far as i know right now they can see anything they conveys heat. So i don't think with only thermal imaging they can see Nude skin...as far as i know:hmm: I have seen pics from a satalite that can see a mouse in the middle of a log in the forest! Thats's crazy! Anyway, i just meant that in general speak.


Very true, time has come, privacy is goneimsad....but i guess if one is doing no wrong than we have nothing to worry about?
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★ηαѕιнα★
02-02-2010, 09:40 AM
Originally Posted by Italianguy
As far as i know right now they can see anything they conveys heat. So i don't think with only thermal imaging they can see Nude skin...as far as i know:hmm: I have seen pics from a satalite that can see a mouse in the middle of a log in the forest! Thats's crazy! Anyway, i just meant that in general speak.


Very true, time has come, privacy is goneimsad....but i guess if one is doing no wrong than we have nothing to worry about?
Dont agree with you Italiandude:D. Depends who uses those things.
Its the users not the machine. Wanna bet the ChIwAwa's have some, you know those mean dogs??:D Thats what I call "the wrong hands".
Besides people working at the airport tend to take advantage of their position.
I believe I just heard last week her in Holland some people working there got busted stealing peoples stuff out of suitcases. See what i mean..
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Italianguy
02-02-2010, 12:22 PM
Originally Posted by ★ηαѕιнα★
Dont agree with you Italiandude:D. Depends who uses those things.
Its the users not the machine. Wanna bet the ChIwAwa's have some, you know those mean dogs??:D Thats what I call "the wrong hands".
Besides people working at the airport tend to take advantage of their position.
I believe I just heard last week her in Holland some people working there got busted stealing peoples stuff out of suitcases. See what i mean..
Very trueimsad It is sad what some will do these days.

God bless.
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cat eyes
02-02-2010, 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by Life_Is_Short
Why would they want to look at your bones?? To check for broken limbs?

;D

Sister, did you read the article (above)?
no i didnt read the full article. my mind went somewhere else i think:embarrass
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Cabdullahi
02-02-2010, 08:17 PM
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★ηαѕιнα★
02-02-2010, 08:59 PM
Haha I knew it was you who posted this, even before I saw who did. This kinda thing is just your thing seriously Sir joke a Lot. Why don't you sell those suits by the way, could be the next big thing after McDonalds!:D
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Italianguy
02-02-2010, 11:18 PM
Originally Posted by Abdullahii
Brothers and sisters i found the breakthrough solution..that will keep our awrah intact and not violated.

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LOL, those will work, very stylish;D.

We have those at my company. The law made them mandatory for working on any electric or motor control systems over 480 volts, they are called "Arc Flash" suits(and there really expensive!)we use them when working on 10,000 volt und up services for safety.

God bless.
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Life_Is_Short
02-02-2010, 11:28 PM
Why buy a suit when you can wrap yourself in aluminium foil. A cheap but effective solution to all your problems.
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★ηαѕιнα★
02-03-2010, 03:42 PM
Originally Posted by Life_Is_Short
Why buy a suit when you can wrap yourself in aluminium foil. A cheap but effective solution to all your problems.
And another benefit: works against alien mind-control as wel haha:D
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