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JoshuaD
01-12-2010, 09:02 AM
A radical Islamist group that planned a march through Wootton Bassett will be banned under counter-terrorism laws, Home Secretary Alan Johnson has said.

Members of Islam4UK had planned the protest at the Wiltshire town to honour Muslims killed in the Afghanistan conflict.

The government had been considering outlawing the group - Islam4UK is also known as al-Muhajiroun.

Earlier this week, Gordon Brown said plans for the march were "disgusting".

Mr Johnson said: "I have today laid an order which will proscribe al-Muhajiroun, Islam4UK, and a number of the other names the organisation goes by.

'Tough but necessary'

"It is already proscribed under two other names - al-Ghurabaa and The Saved Sect.

"Proscription is a tough but necessary power to tackle terrorism and is not a course we take lightly.

"We are clear that an organisation should not be able to circumvent proscription by simply changing its name."

On Sunday Islam4UK cancelled the march and issued a statement from spokesman Anjem Choudary, saying it had "successfully highlighted the plight of Muslims in Afghanistan".

"We at Islam4UK have decided, after consultation with others including our Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, that no more could be achieved even if a procession were to take place in Wootton Bassett," he said.

The group denied members had planned to carry 500 empty coffins through the town.

The banning order will come into effect on Thursday and make it a criminal offence to be a member, punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8453560.stm
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Uthman
01-12-2010, 09:40 AM
Article from the Guardian

Article from the Times

Article from CNN
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Uthman
01-12-2010, 03:57 PM
Islam4UK: bad, but not worth banning

Islam4UK: What's in a name?
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The_Prince
01-12-2010, 04:03 PM
lol, so much for freedom of speech, hypocrites, dont ever let westerners preach to Muslims about freedom of speech or political correctness.
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Raaina
01-12-2010, 04:11 PM
I don't understand why they ban Islam4UK under anti terrorism laws but they don't ban BNP for religious hatred.
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Supreme
01-12-2010, 04:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by mystical_moon
I don't understand why they ban Islam4UK under anti terrorism laws but they don't ban BNP for religious hatred.
I agree with this. What about the EDL as well? I mean, they go about beating people up, I'd say their actions are just as bad if not worse.
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KAding
01-12-2010, 04:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by mystical_moon
I don't understand why they ban Islam4UK under anti terrorism laws but they don't ban BNP for religious hatred.
According to the Guardian because of this:
The Islamist group Islam4UK, which planned a march through Wootton Bassett, and its "parent" organisation, al-Muhajiroun, will be banned under new legislation outlawing the "glorification" of terrorism.

...

The group became notorious for praising the September 11 attacks in 2001.
But I agree this is a bad move. Britain is really going to far with all it's anti-terrorism and anti-discrimination laws. I think we in Europe should really move more towards the American model of freedom of speech.
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Raaina
01-12-2010, 04:53 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
I agree with this. What about the EDL as well? I mean, they go about beating people up, I'd say their actions are just as bad if not worse.
Oh they are just as bad. To be honest I think EDL and BNP should be banned under the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006.

I wonder if any further action will be taken against the BNP and EDL now Islam4uk has been banned, because really I think they should be, or it's one rule for one and not for the other.

Be interesting to see what happens.
Although I did hear Nick Griffen could possibly face time in jail for not altering the BNP membership policies. I'd sooner they were banned then him put in prision, unless they will prision him and then ban them. That would suit me even better!
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m102313
01-12-2010, 04:55 PM
And the drawings of the prophet Mohammed or Salman Rushdies book is freedom of speech ?

That just makes me laugh.
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Supreme
01-12-2010, 05:02 PM
Still, that said, it's not been a good week for Islam4UK. First they cancelled the Wooten Bassett march because of their lack of complying members to go through with it/ lack of guts, and yesterday five members were fined £500 each for their actions against an Army homecoming parade. Now they're banned. I honestly don't see how they promote terror- hatred maybe, division is a given, but then so do the BNP and EDL.
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Uthman
01-12-2010, 05:21 PM
Analysis: Does banning terror groups work?
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ProfessorFalken
01-12-2010, 06:18 PM
Good evening all,

I'm slightly concerned about the fact that as of this thursday, the uk organisation known as "Islam 4 UK" will be banned. It seems once more a religious community is being denied the right to freedom of expression. Just wanted to know your thoughts really. Feel free to correct me if I was wrong to send an e-mail of support to the organisation. Any chances of the UK Gestapo coming to give me a little talking to? :p

Professor Falken
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ProfessorFalken
01-12-2010, 06:23 PM
I by no means agree with extremists who sanction terrorism as an appropriate response to the Wests erroneous propogation of the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, but I find it mortifying that in a country which allegedly allows freedom of expression, this right has been denied. As some of you have rightly pointed out, there is more cause to ban the BNP and other such organisations for openly preaching intolerance and hatred. It makes Professor Falken very sad. I did send an e-mail of support to Islam for UK - any chances of the British gestapo sending me a little visit ? :p
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Blackpool
01-13-2010, 12:22 AM
Anyone found guilty of such an offence could face a maximum of 10 years in prison.

The banning of Al Muhajiroun and Islam4UK will also allow the authorities to take down websites run by the groups and makes it an offence to raise funds on their behalf.
From Thursday, Al Muhajiroun will also be banned under the names Call to Submission, Islam4UK, Islamic Path and London School of Sharia.

Al Muhajiroun and its supporters have never shied from controversy. After the 9/11 attacks in the US it held an event celebrating the "Magnificent 19" plane hijackers.

-------------------------------------------------------

Good riddance.
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abu_musab461
01-13-2010, 12:26 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Uthmān
Thank goodness!

We need to ban organsiations that not only harm them selves and thier members by thier silly behaviour but harm the muslim community around them by giving far right wing groups any excuse to attack and insult
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Muezzin
01-15-2010, 07:04 PM
While they're at it they can ban the BNP and the EDL.

Sorry, daydreaming.
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Uthman
01-16-2010, 10:42 PM
Anjem Choudary: I’m smiling because sharia is coming
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M..x
01-16-2010, 10:50 PM
No, freedom of speach exists alright... Buh with tha exceptions of Muslims...


P a t h e t i c =/
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Hamza Asadullah
01-16-2010, 11:03 PM
:sl: Let them also ban far right groups like the BNP and any other racist organisation that are only set up to incite hate against Islam and ethnic minorities in Britain. Why ban one organisation that they claim are extremist and not another?

:wa:
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Life_Is_Short
01-16-2010, 11:19 PM
:sl:
Who defines terrorism? The government through the media. Who gets influenced? The mindless public. So what happens when muslims try to rise or question the system? They get labelled as terrorists and everyone turns against them.
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Supreme
01-16-2010, 11:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Uthmān
He's a hypocrite, what more can I say? He's a laughable, hateful, hated hypocrite. He's the Islamic Nick Griffin and Mr Bean combined.
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Blackpool
01-17-2010, 12:01 AM
The BNP should definately not be banned. They are a political party and have every right to be. I hate Labour but I don't feel that they should be banned despite sending our troops to needless wars.They highlight points that the current government doesn't. They keep the big 2 on their toes. The difference between the BNP and Choudary's groups are that the BNP doesn't actively support terrorism.
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abu salaahudeen
01-17-2010, 12:04 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
He's a hypocrite, what more can I say? He's a laughable, hateful, hated hypocrite. He's the Islamic Nick Griffin and Mr Bean combined.
explain to us about his hypocricy since your such an expert??
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Supreme
01-17-2010, 12:06 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Blackpool
The BNP should definately not be banned. They are a political party and have every right to be. I hate Labour but I don't feel that they should be banned despite sending our troops to needless wars.They highlight points that the current government doesn't. They keep the big 2 on their toes. The difference between the BNP and Choudary's groups are that the BNP doesn't actively support terrorism.
They support facism, which is equally as bad. The BNP can sugercoat their party all they want, but the reality is stark; they are vile racists, and if they ever became government, I'm buying a one way ticket to Sydney so me and black girlfriend can escape their digusting campaigns against minorities.
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Supreme
01-17-2010, 12:09 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by abu salaahudeen
explain to us about his hypocricy since your such an expert??
Gladly.

He criticizes the British Government whilst claiming thousands of pounds of benefits from them.
He wants Sharia imposed, yet is an ex alcoholic, former drug/sex/porn addict.
He acknowledges he's in a minority even within the Muslim community, but still thinks Sharia Law is a possibility (yet not too keen to give a date when).
Thinks the Army is a genocidal, corrupt anti Muslim force yet fantasises about the same Army overthrowing the government in a coup and making him Prime Minister.

Any more examples, or will that suffice?
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abu salaahudeen
01-17-2010, 12:19 AM
how is it hypocritical to take money from the government thats his right as a human being also whilst trying to remove this cancer of democracy he is reaping the resources which is from God. Theres nothing wrong with that he is more than entitled to my taxes.

If he was involved in evil that was his past and he clearly opposes these vile acts and i would know

how is it hypocritical if he's living in a minority and wants shariah. You lost the plot idiot

and the point about the army?? Seriously are you that stupid??
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Hamza Asadullah
01-17-2010, 01:29 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Blackpool
The BNP should definately not be banned. They are a political party and have every right to be. I hate Labour but I don't feel that they should be banned despite sending our troops to needless wars.They highlight points that the current government doesn't. They keep the big 2 on their toes. The difference between the BNP and Choudary's groups are that the BNP doesn't actively support terrorism.
They actively incite hate against Islam and non-white races. Is that right of them to do so? Your supporting a group which is well known for its Nazi support? Disgusting!

How you can even say anything positive about the BNP says a lot about you as a person!
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CosmicPathos
01-17-2010, 01:38 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Gladly.

He criticizes the British Government whilst claiming thousands of pounds of benefits from them.
He wants Sharia imposed, yet is an ex alcoholic, former drug/sex/porn addict.
He acknowledges he's in a minority even within the Muslim community, but still thinks Sharia Law is a possibility (yet not too keen to give a date when).
Thinks the Army is a genocidal, corrupt anti Muslim force yet fantasises about the same Army overthrowing the government in a coup and making him Prime Minister.

Any more examples, or will that suffice?
Ok your comment about him being ex alcoholic and ex porn addict is a bit alarming. Yes those are sinful acts from Islamic perspective but it seems he has stopped those actions and repented to God and if he did those sins in public, he has made a apology in public? Islam does not stop a sinner from implementing Islamic laws if he repents. Some of the companions of Prophet used to drink alcohol when they were non-Muslims but after accepting Islam and repenting, they became as pure .... just wanted to correct your opinion on that.

This, however, does not mean I support him. I disagree with his views even though he is a Muslim brother. I wont say anything about him more than that as that would be not an Islamic etiquette.
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Chechnya
01-17-2010, 02:42 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Gladly.

He criticizes the British Government whilst claiming thousands of pounds of benefits from them.
he has benefits because he has become unemployable after his demonisation in the media - also for all we know he could have personal issues as many people do but to suggest his not allowed to criticize the goverment because he is on benefits is ridiculous
He wants Sharia imposed, yet is an ex alcoholic, former drug/sex/porn addict
i have highlighted the key word for you here - in fact it has been over 15 years since he left all these vices behind, left his secular lifestyle behind and became a practising muslim

in this environment of "integration" its sad that many of us start living as non-muslims and get duped into such a lifestyle which is completely contrary to our beliefs but alhamdulillah many like anjem choudary wake up from it and repent from it and turn their lives around

He acknowledges he's in a minority even within the Muslim community, but still thinks Sharia Law is a possibility (yet not too keen to give a date when).
Of course its possible - in fact when the first islamic state was established in Medina, Muslims were only about 5% of the population
- it is up to the muslims to continue giving dawah and working towards it

Thinks the Army is a genocidal, corrupt anti Muslim force yet fantasises about the same Army overthrowing the government in a coup and making him Prime Minister.
where has he said he wants to be prime minister at the head of an army-led coup?

please provide evidence

Any more examples, or will that suffice?
you havent given one example yet so no, that will not suffice by any means

please try again
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Supreme
01-17-2010, 02:26 PM
he has benefits because he has become unemployable after his demonisation in the media - also for all we know he could have personal issues as many people do but to suggest his not allowed to criticize the goverment because he is on benefits is ridiculous

Criticizing the government is not the same as wanting to overthrow it. All the same, it is rather hypocritical- would a government less evil than the British Government give him benefits at all? As for personal issues, I agree, I would in fact be very surprised to discover that he didn't have personal issues.

i have highlighted the key word for you here - in fact it has been over 15 years since he left all these vices behind, left his secular lifestyle behind and became a practising muslim
He's still a hypocrite, and he still fails to acknowledge that is his dream world was in reality the government, he'd have been inmprisoned, possibly even executed, long ago for his party loving behaviour.

in this environment of "integration" its sad that many of us start living as non-muslims and get duped into such a lifestyle which is completely contrary to our beliefs but alhamdulillah many like anjem choudary wake up from it and repent from it and turn their lives around
Ah, that's his excuse. He's blaming others. It wasn't his fault. He was forced to take drugs and watch porn and have casual sex. Well why didn't you say so. So he isn't just a hypocrite with a low IQ, he is also a very weak character that can't evade social norms.

Of course its possible - in fact when the first islamic state was established in Medina, Muslims were only about 5% of the population
- it is up to the muslims to continue giving dawah and working towards it
This is 21st century Britain, not pre Islamic Arabian city states. You can't possibly hope to compare what happened in a couple of city states a few thousand years ago where everyone was deeply religious to a secular so called 'corrupt' society where God is an inconvenience for the population and people have given up on religion for a more care free lifestyle.

where has he said he wants to be prime minister at the head of an army-led coup?

please provide evidence
Sure, if you bothered to read the article:

I ask him to be serious. “Seriously ... I don’t think I need to leave Britain; I think that we can live here and propagate Islam and one day we will implement the sharia here.” He is vague about the timeframe but more specific about the method. “Public awareness and possibly a military coup,”
The guy's nuts.

you havent given one example yet so no, that will not suffice by any means
Four examples, and yet not a single worthwhile argument raised against them.
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Amadeus85
01-18-2010, 01:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
According to the Guardian because of this:


But I agree this is a bad move. Britain is really going to far with all it's anti-terrorism and anti-discrimination laws. I think we in Europe should really move more towards the American model of freedom of speech.

God forbid Europe from becoming more like USA :embarrass
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Raaina
01-18-2010, 02:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Blackpool
The BNP should definately not be banned. They are a political party and have every right to be. I hate Labour but I don't feel that they should be banned despite sending our troops to needless wars.They highlight points that the current government doesn't. They keep the big 2 on their toes. The difference between the BNP and Choudary's groups are that the BNP doesn't actively support terrorism.
Political party or not. They still spout racial and religious hatred, which is against the law, so technically, should also be banned.
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Chechnya
01-18-2010, 02:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Criticizing the government is not the same as wanting to overthrow it. All the same, it is rather hypocritical- would a government less evil than the British Government give him benefits at all? As for personal issues, I agree, I would in fact be very surprised to discover that he didn't have personal issues.



.
He has seen what he percieves to be a wrong and speaking out against it - if its wrong to give him benefits, then the british government should pull the plug on him but i have no doubt that would not stop him speaking out


He's still a hypocrite, and he still fails to acknowledge that is his dream world was in reality the government, he'd have been inmprisoned, possibly even executed, long ago for his party loving behaviour.
many muslims have died speaking out against their governments, so again this issue is irrelevant as we dont know what his reaction would be if the law was different

Ah, that's his excuse. He's blaming others. It wasn't his fault. He was forced to take drugs and watch porn and have casual sex. Well why didn't you say so. So he isn't just a hypocrite with a low IQ, he is also a very weak character that can't evade social norms.
your talk of his past shows your complete lack of credible arguement - he did wrong, repented from it and never went back to it so as muslims we dont judge him for it - you, as a non-muslim on the other hand seem to want to revel in his past mistakes ( mistakes btw which are the norm for most non-muslims) - since he became a practicing muslims, he has left his previous life behind alhumdulillah, may Allah (swt) accept his repentance

This is 21st century Britain, not pre Islamic Arabian city states. You can't possibly hope to compare what happened in a couple of city states a few thousand years ago where everyone was deeply religious to a secular so called 'corrupt' society where God is an inconvenience for the population and people have given up on religion for a more care free lifestyle.
it is Allah (swt) that gives victory, not you or i - islam coming to britain has about as much chance as one man in mecca preaching about the one God and people riducling him for it yet within a few decades, the teachings about the one God were spread across the continent and spread from china to europe

Sure, if you bothered to read the article:

you said he want to be prime minister, so please provide the source


Four examples, and yet not a single worthwhile argument raised against them.
not one credible arguement amongst them, refering to his past, talkng about him being prime minister - without providing proof, accusing him of being in a dream world when its you who cant come up with a simple arguement etc.
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M..x
01-18-2010, 06:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Gladly.

He criticizes the British Government whilst claiming thousands of pounds of benefits from them.
He wants Sharia imposed, yet is an ex alcoholic, former drug/sex/porn addict.
He acknowledges he's in a minority even within the Muslim community, but still thinks Sharia Law is a possibility (yet not too keen to give a date when).
Thinks the Army is a genocidal, corrupt anti Muslim force yet fantasises about the same Army overthrowing the government in a coup and making him Prime Minister.

Any more examples, or will that suffice?
I dont think its fair to label him a hippocrite based on his past mistakes. =)
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zakirs
01-18-2010, 06:40 PM
ooh UK politics are so confusing :heated: :heated: :heated:


:sl:
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Muezzin
01-18-2010, 06:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by zakirs
ooh UK politics are so confusing :heated: :heated: :heated:


:sl:
And are thus fairly representative of politics in general.
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Supreme
01-18-2010, 07:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by x Muslimah x
I dont think its fair to label him a hippocrite based on his past mistakes. =)
A 'mistake' for a Muslim is taking a sip of alcohol, or looking at page 3 at best- Choudary seems to have gone further than mere 'mistakes', he has clearly sinned gravely, especially according to his version of Islam, and he has demonstrated he was (and to a great extent still is) a very weak individual, as he cannot evade alcohol without being infatuated with the stuff. He has demonstrated in the past his inability and general weakness to resist Western and kaffir culture, and I have every reason to believe this will be his downfall- well, either that or a visit from an EDL advocate.

I will address Chechnya's post tomorrow God willing.
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Chechnya
01-18-2010, 10:04 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
A 'mistake' for a Muslim is taking a sip of alcohol, or looking at page 3 at best- Choudary seems to have gone further than mere 'mistakes', he has clearly sinned gravely, especially according to his version of Islam, and he has demonstrated he was (and to a great extent still is) a very weak individual, as he cannot evade alcohol without being infatuated with the stuff. He has demonstrated in the past his inability and general weakness to resist Western and kaffir culture, and I have every reason to believe this will be his downfall- well, either that or a visit from an EDL advocate.

I will address Chechnya's post tomorrow God willing.
i know muslims that used to drink, go clubbing, sleep around and were completely ignorant about islam - and now after they were given dawah, theyve turned their lives around, embraced islam fully and not just by name and stay away from such vices - in fact theres most likely muslims on this forum who were once far way from islam and indulged in haram acts

that doesnt make them hypocrites now for stopping all their vices, following islam and staying away from such bad things - in fact they should be praised for turning their lives around and realising the purpose to life - for controlling their nafs and doing everything for the sake of Allah (swt)
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