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Donia
01-19-2010, 02:31 AM
It is my understanding that in Islam women are supposed to avoid physical contact with males that are not mahrams.

Where I live, it is customary to shake hands when meeting someone new or even as a part of a greeting. It could be at a store, bank.. almost anywhere.
It is not seen as anything inappropriate, more of a friendly or respectful type gesture.
When I was in class, we were instructed to introduce ourselves to the person sitting next to us and of course I happened to be sitting next to a male. (It was the last seat available, that's what I get for being late right?) He started to reach his hand out to shake my hand and I didn't move.. at all. I just said hello and my name and waited for his response. He kind of just put his hand back down. I didn't want to make him feel bad but I also didn't want to shake his hand. Of course you come across those that are aggressive to and they almost grab your hand to shake it.. lol
SO.. here's my question.. what do you do when a man tries to shake your hand? A solution that would leave both with dignity.

Short of saying "Sir, please put your hand away.". lol.
JazakAllah.
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Snowflake
01-19-2010, 03:24 AM
:sl: I just say, "I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to shake hands with men in my religion."

If they don't know they usually just go, "Oh okay.." and are fine with it. :)
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Salahudeen
01-19-2010, 03:31 AM
when a women puts her hand out to me I go ASTAGFIRULLAH then raise my eye brow and look at her ;D

jus joking, I don't shake it, but it creates such an uncomfortable moment for me, cos I always remember the hadith where the prophet pbuh said "it is better for a man to have a nail driven through his fore head than to touch the hand of a strange non mehram women"

so I quickly go into panic mode, once I forgot and was about to shake hands then at the last moment alhamdulilah I remembered and quickly raised my hand to my head and pretended I took it out to scratch itch in my head ;D

I just say "it's strictly against my religion to touch a women I'm not married to unless she's my relation, nothing personal."
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CosmicPathos
01-19-2010, 03:32 AM
walaikum assalam,

there are some brothers who did not shake hands with a female medical school interviewer. Needless to say they did not get in. Maybe not handshaking was one reason for them not getting admission, I do not know. But I wonder, while giving an interview, would a man really get aroused if a female interviewer shakes his hand? Especially a medical school interview .... Brothers' have given me their opinion that "bro, do you really want medical school or to please Allah?" The thing is I do not know if Allah (swt) will be pleased with us by ruining the only chance He gives us for getting admission through an interview ... I do not knwo .... Maybe some interviewers would understand and not become furious on a male Muslim rejecting the offer to shake hands ...
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Donia
01-19-2010, 03:54 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Wa7abiScientist
walaikum assalam,

there are some brothers who did not shake hands with a female medical school interviewer. Needless to say they did not get in. Maybe not handshaking was one reason for them not getting admission, I do not know. But I wonder, while giving an interview, would a man really get aroused if a female interviewer shakes his hand? Especially a medical school interview .... Brothers' have given me their opinion that "bro, do you really want medical school or to please Allah?" The thing is I do not know if Allah (swt) will be pleased with us by ruining the only chance He gives us for getting admission through an interview ... I do not knwo .... Maybe some interviewers would understand and not become furious on a male Muslim rejecting the offer to shake hands ...
Hmmm.. That is a very good point brother. In that particular situation becoming a male doctor would almost require you to have physical contact with a female patient at some point in your career so the concern may be if you are unable to even shake a woman's hand then how can you perform your job's duties.


JazakAllah to everyone for their responses. I just don't like to create "awkward" moments if you will. At the same time though, I really do feel uncomfortable with shaking a male's hand because I know we're not supposed to. :hmm: May Allah forgive us. Ameen.
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MT2
01-19-2010, 03:59 AM
How about you try to initiate the greeting? Because in that case, if you don't put your hand forward, I don't think the other party would. If they initiate the greeting or still put their hand forward, just tell them “I don't have the right to shake your hand”. That way, disrespect shouldn't be an issue and if they ask you for an explanation, get at it. Your opportunity for dawah...
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-Elle-
01-19-2010, 04:16 AM
Smile, put your hand on your heart and give a slight not with your head. Seems appropriate to me, even if a bit strange,lol. Then explain with a short sentence saying that(as others have previously mentioned) you do not have any physical contact with males due to your religion.

This thread reminded me of a really funny video about Muslims...check it out,it's only about 3 min:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCWBrMPZtH0

particularly at 1min45 about "Touching"

2min27 makes me laugh everytime;D
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Cabdullahi
01-19-2010, 09:42 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Donia
SO.. here's my question.. what do you do when a man tries to shake your hand? A solution that would leave both with dignity.
JazakAllah.
get your smelly hands outta ma face!!
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Dagless
01-19-2010, 10:54 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Donia
It is my understanding that in Islam women are supposed to avoid physical contact with males that are not mahrams.

Where I live, it is customary to shake hands when meeting someone new or even as a part of a greeting. It could be at a store, bank.. almost anywhere.
It is not seen as anything inappropriate, more of a friendly or respectful type gesture.
When I was in class, we were instructed to introduce ourselves to the person sitting next to us and of course I happened to be sitting next to a male. (It was the last seat available, that's what I get for being late right?) He started to reach his hand out to shake my hand and I didn't move.. at all. I just said hello and my name and waited for his response. He kind of just put his hand back down. I didn't want to make him feel bad but I also didn't want to shake his hand. Of course you come across those that are aggressive to and they almost grab your hand to shake it.. lol
SO.. here's my question.. what do you do when a man tries to shake your hand? A solution that would leave both with dignity.

Short of saying "Sir, please put your hand away.". lol.
JazakAllah.
What you are describing was almost a necessary handshake, the same as someone described in the university admission interview. Were you having sexual thoughts or being tempted? If not then how can you justify the insult? It was an insult because you didn't even explain why you didn't shake his hand. He now dislikes you and perhaps even our religion.
Does anyone have the hadith you guys have read banning handshakes in all cases?
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zakirs
01-19-2010, 11:56 AM
:sl:

Sister i don;'t know how i could help you.Leave alone shaking hands when i am atleast inside 10ft radius of a girl i start panicking and my mind stops working ( kinda computer blue screen of death). I don't even understand what i am doing :( Some times i look towards ground while talking to one of girls in my class and i finish conversation as soon as possible ( hope it doesn't sound rude to her :| ).


May be one thing you could do is just wave like this -> :muslimah:
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Raaina
01-19-2010, 12:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by zakirs
:sl:

Sister i don;'t know how i could help you.Leave alone shaking hands when i am atleast inside 10ft radius of a girl i start panicking and my mind stops working ( kinda computer blue screen of death). I don't even understand what i am doing :( Some times i look towards ground while talking to one of girls in my class and i finish conversation as soon as possible ( hope it doesn't sound rude to her :| ).


May be one thing you could do is just wave like this -> :muslimah:
Waving instead of shaking hands, doesn't quite give off the professional opinion you want.

Sister, I don't know how you would do this. I've never been in this situation before.:hmm:

I only seem to shake hands with women, which I assume is allowed.
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crayon
01-19-2010, 03:47 PM
Well, my methods for dealing with this:

-if you feel a handshake coming on (and you can usually tell it's coming), keep your hands busy with something (looking through your bag, or in your pockets, or something).
-if you can't manage that, then smile, shake your head no, do the 'hand on the heart' thing, and casually say you don't shake hands with the opposite gender. (it looks less awkward than it sounds, trust me. at least, i hope it does. hmm):><:
-if it's a muslim guy, the reaction is usually something like 'oh right, oops, sorry:exhausted'
-non muslim guys usually don't understand why, so if they seem curious, take the chance to explain why to them.
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Yusuf Saeed
01-19-2010, 04:24 PM
:salamext:

Actually although handshakes should be avoided with someone of the opposite gender they are not completely forbidden in islam.

And the hadith: "It is better for an iron rod (nail, needle etc) to be driven into the head of a man, than for him to touch a woman who is not permissible for him." is mostly about touch accompanied with desire. So as long as we don't get any desire it's okay to shake hands with the opposite gender but only if the other person reaches the hand out first. We should never initiate a handshake with a person from the opposite gender who is not our mahram.

Here's one fatwa from islamonline.net about shaking hands with opposite gender:



In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Thanks for your question, we implore Allah to guide us all to the best and to reward us all for whatever we do for His sake.

The basic rule is that Muslims should avoid shaking hands with members of the opposite sex unless they find themselves in an awkward situation. The issue is primarily governed by one's own conscience.

Responding to the question, Sheikh Muhammad Al-Mukhtar Al-Shinqiti, director of the Islamic Center of South Plains, Lubbock, Texas, states the following:

There are two common hadiths concerning shaking hands with the opposite sex. In the first hadith, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said, "I do not shake hands with women" (Al-Bukhari).

The second hadith is narrated on the authority of Anas ibn Malik (may Allah be pleased with him), he said, "The female slave from Madinah would take hold of the hand of Allah's Messenger and lead him wherever she wished, without withdrawing her hands from his hands until the Prophet fulfils her need" (Ahmad).

Based on the two hadiths, we conclude that the basic rule discourages shaking hands with members of the opposite sex, but if one were put in an awkward situation, then there would be no harm to shake hands with members of the opposite sex. This ruling applies to Muslims living in the West because of the social customs prevailing in these countries.
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Raaina
01-19-2010, 04:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Yusuf Saeed
:salamext:

Actually although handshakes should be avoided with someone of the opposite gender they are not completely forbidden in islam.

And the hadith: "It is better for an iron rod (nail, needle etc) to be driven into the head of a man, than for him to touch a woman who is not permissible for him." is mostly about touch accompanied with desire. So as long as we don't get any desire it's okay to shake hands with the opposite gender but only if the other person reaches the hand out first. We should never initiate a handshake with a person from the opposite gender who is not our mahram.

Here's one fatwa from islamonline.net about shaking hands with opposite gender:



In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Thanks for your question, we implore Allah to guide us all to the best and to reward us all for whatever we do for His sake.

The basic rule is that Muslims should avoid shaking hands with members of the opposite sex unless they find themselves in an awkward situation. The issue is primarily governed by one's own conscience.

Responding to the question, Sheikh Muhammad Al-Mukhtar Al-Shinqiti, director of the Islamic Center of South Plains, Lubbock, Texas, states the following:

There are two common hadiths concerning shaking hands with the opposite sex. In the first hadith, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said, "I do not shake hands with women" (Al-Bukhari).

The second hadith is narrated on the authority of Anas ibn Malik (may Allah be pleased with him), he said, "The female slave from Madinah would take hold of the hand of Allah's Messenger and lead him wherever she wished, without withdrawing her hands from his hands until the Prophet fulfils her need" (Ahmad).

Based on the two hadiths, we conclude that the basic rule discourages shaking hands with members of the opposite sex, but if one were put in an awkward situation, then there would be no harm to shake hands with members of the opposite sex. This ruling applies to Muslims living in the West because of the social customs prevailing in these countries.
Wow, I learn so much from this forum, seriously!
Thanks for sharing! :)
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BintAbee
01-19-2010, 05:03 PM
:sl:

This happened to me just the other day. This boy from my class was giving everyone a "high five" and he gets to me and holds his hand up, so I look and then look away and continue my discussion with someone else, but he still waits, so after a few seconds, I look at him :><: and then just shake my head and he leaves me :exhausted

Btw, my muslim friend sitting next to me says (loud enough for everyone to hear): You supposed to give him a high five, man! :raging:

:w:
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Yusuf Saeed
01-19-2010, 05:12 PM
:sl:

Before I didn't manage to find the fatwa on handshake I was trying to find.

Now I was able to find the fatwa where Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi explains this matter in a very knowledgeable way:

"There is no doubt that shaking hands between males and females who are not mahrams (illegal for marriage) has become an intricate issue. Reaching an Islamic verdict on this issue away from extremism and dispensation needs a psychological, intellectual, and scientific effort so that the Mufti gets rid of the pressure of all imported and inherited customs unless they are based on the textual proofs of the Qur’an or the Sunnah.

Before tackling the issue in point, I would like to exclude two points on which I know there is agreement among the Muslim jurists of the righteous predecessors.

Firstly, it is prohibited to shake hands with a woman if there is fear of provoking sexual desire or enjoyment on the part of either one of them or if there is fear of temptation. This is based on the general rule that blocking the means to evil is obligatory, especially if its signs are clear. This ruling is ascertained in the light of what has been mentioned by Muslim jurists that a man touching one of his mahrams or having khalwah (privacy) with her moves to the prohibited, although it is originally permissible, if there is fear of fitnah (temptation) or provocation of desire.

Secondly, there is a dispensation in shaking hands with old women concerning whom there is no fear of desire. The same applies to the young girl concerning whom there is no fear of desire or temptation. The same ruling applies if the person is an old man concerning whom there is no fear of desire. This is based on what has been narrated on the authority of Abu Bakr As-Siddiq (may Allah be pleased with him) that he used to shake hands with old women. Also, it is reported that `Abdullah ibn Az-Zubair hired an old woman to nurse him when he was sick, and she used to wink at him and pick lice from his head. This is also based on what has been mentioned in the Glorious Qur’an in respect of the old barren women, as they are given dispensation with regard to their outer garments. Almighty Allah says in this regard: “As for women past child bearing, who have no hope of marriage, it is no sin for them if they discard their (outer) clothing in such a way as not to show adornment. But to refrain is better for them. Allah is Hearer, Knower.” (An-Nur: 60)


Allah explains that there is no sin on the old barren women if they decide to remove their outer garments from their faces and such, so long as they do not do it in a manner in which they would be exposing their beauty wrongly.

Here the object of discussion deals with other than these two cases. There is no surprise that shaking hands with women is haram (unlawful) according to the viewpoint of those who hold that covering all of the woman’s body, including her face and the two hands, is obligatory. This is because if it becomes obligatory to cover the two hands, then it would become haram for the opposite sex to look at them. And, if looking at them is unlawful, then touching them would become haram with greater reason because touching is graver than looking, as it provokes desire more.

But it is known that the proponents of this view are the minority, while the majority of Muslim jurists, including the Companions, the Successors and those who followed them, are of the opinion that the face and the hands are excluded from the prohibition. They based their opinion on Almighty Allah’s saying, “And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent …” (An-Nur: 31) So where is the evidence on prohibiting handshaking unless there is desire?

In fact, I searched for a persuasive and textual proof supporting the prohibition but I did not find it. As a matter of fact, the most powerful evidence here is blocking the means to temptation, and this is no doubt acceptable when the desire is roused or there is fear of temptation because its signs exist. But when there is no fear of temptation or desire, what is the reason for prohibition?

Some scholars based their ruling on the action of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) on the day of the Conquest of Makkah. When he wanted to take the pledge of women he said to them, “Go, for you have given your oath of allegiance.” But it is known that the Prophet’s leaving a matter does not necessarily indicate its prohibition, as he may leave it because it is haram (forbidden), makruh (reprehensible), or because it is not preferable. He may also leave it just because he is not inclined to it. An example of this last is the Prophet’s refraining from eating the meat of the lizard although it is permissible. Then, the Prophet’s refraining from shaking hands with women (other than his wives) is not evidence of the prohibition, and there should be other evidence to support the opinion of those who make shaking hands absolutely prohibited.

However, it is not agreed upon that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) refrained from shaking hands with women to take their oath of allegiance. Umm `Atiyyah Al-Ansariyyah (may Allah be pleased with her) reported another narrative that indicates that the Prophet shook hands with women to take their oath of allegiance. This is unlike the narration of the Mother of the Believers `A’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) who denied this and swore that it had not happened.

It is narrated that `A’ishah, the wife of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), said, “When the believing women migrated to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), they would be tested in accordance with the words of Allah, ‘O Prophet! If believing women come unto thee, taking oath of allegiance unto thee that they will ascribe nothing as partner unto Allah, and will neither steal nor commit adultery nor kill their children, nor produce any lie that they have devised between their hands and feet, nor disobey thee in what is right, then accept their allegiance and ask Allah to forgive them. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.’ (Al-Mumtahanah: 12)” `A’ishah said, “Whoever among the believing women agreed to that passed the test, and when the women agreed to that, the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said to them, ‘Go, for you have given your oath of allegiance.’ No, by Allah, the hand of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) never touched the hand of any woman, rather they would give their oath of allegiance with words only.” And `A’ishah said, “By Allah, the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) only took the oath of allegiance from the women in the manner prescribed by Allah, and the hand of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) never touched the hand of any woman. When he had taken their oath of allegiance he would say, ‘I have accepted your oath of allegiance verbally.’” (Reported by Al-Bukhari)

In his explanation of the saying of `A’ishah, “No, by Allah, the hand of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) never touched the hand of any woman …” Al-Hafizh Ibn Hajar said: she swore to ascertain the news as if she (`A’ishah) wanted to refute the narration of Umm `Atiyyah. It is narrated on the authority of Ibn Hibban, Al-Bazzar, Al-Tabari, and Ibn Mardawih that Umm `Atiyyah said in respect of the story of taking the oath of allegiance of women, “The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) held out his hand from outside the house and we (the immigrating women) held our hands from within the house, then he said, ‘O Allah, bear witness.’” In another narration reported by Al-Bukhari, Umm `Atiyyah said, “… thereupon a lady withdrew her hand (refrained from taking the oath of allegiance)…” This narration indicates that they (the immigrating women) took their oath of allegiance by shaking hands. Al-Hafizh said: we reply to the first saying that holding out hands from behind a veil is an indication of the acceptance of the allegiance even if there was no shaking of hands. As for the second narration, withdrawing hands indicates the postponement of accepting the pledge of allegiance or that taking the pledge of allegiance happened from behind a veil. This is supported by that narration of Abu Dawud on the authority of Al-Sha`bi that when the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) wanted to take the pledge of allegiance of the immigrating women he brought a garment and put it over his hands saying, “I do not shake hands with women.” Furthermore, in his book Maghazi, Ibn Is-haq is reported to have said that when the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) wanted to take the pledge of allegiance of the immigrating women, he would dip his hands in a vessel and a woman would dip her hands with him in the same vessel.

Al-Hafizh Ibn Hajar said: it is possible that taking the pledge of allegiance happened on more than one occasion. Sometimes, it happened without touching hands by any means, as narrated by `A’ishah. Another time it happened that the women’s oath of allegiance was accepted by shaking their hands with the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), as narrated by Al-Sha`bi. A third time it happened that they dipped their hands in the vessel as mentioned by Ibn Is-haq.

The most correct view seems to be that it occurred on more than one occasion, if we realize that `A’ishah talked about taking the pledge of allegiance from the immigrating women after the Truce of Al-Hudaibiyah, while Umm `Atiyyah talked about what seems to be the oath of allegiance of the believing women in general.

By transmitting these narrations, I mean to clarify that the evidence of those who are of the opinion that shaking hands with women is prohibited is not agreed upon, as is thought by those who do not resort to the original sources. Rather, there is some controversy concerning this evidence.

Furthermore, some contemporary Muslim scholars have based their ruling concerning the prohibition of shaking hands with women on the Hadith narrated by Al-Tabari and Al-Baihaqi on the authority of Ma`qil ibn Yassar that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “It would be better for one of you to have himself stabbed on the head with an iron needle than to touch a woman that is illegal for him.”

Here, the following should be noted:

1. The scholars and Imams of Hadith have not declared the authenticity of this Hadith. Some of them say that its narrators are trustworthy, but this is not enough to prove the authenticity of the Hadith because there is a probability that there is an interruption in the chain of narrators or there was a hidden cause behind this Hadith. That is why Muslim jurists in the periods that followed the death of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) have not based their ruling on the prohibition of shaking hands with women on this Hadith.

2. Some Hanafi and Maliki jurists stated that the prohibition is not proven unless there is a certain qat`i (definitive) piece of evidence such as textual proofs from the Glorious Qur’an or authentic Hadiths on which there is no suspicion regarding the chains of narrators.

3. If we suppose that the above-mentioned Hadith is authentic, it is unclear to me that the Hadith indicates that it is prohibited for males and females who are not mahrams to shake hands. That is because the phrase “touch a woman that is illegal for him” does not refer to the mere touching without desire as happens in normal handshaking. But the Arabic word “al-mass” (touching) as used in the Shar`i texts of the Qur’an and the Sunnah refers to one of two things:

1. Sexual intercourse, as reported by Ibn `Abbas in his commentary to Almighty Allah’s saying, ‘… or ye have touched women …’. He stated that “touching” in the Qur’an refers figuratively to sexual intercourse. This is clear in the following Qur’anic verses that read: “She (Mary) said: ‘My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me?’” (Al `Imran: 47) and “If ye divorce them before ye have touched them …” (Al-Baqarah: 237)

2. Actions that precede sexual intercourse such as foreplay, kissing, hugging, caressing, and the like. This is reported from our righteous predecessors in the interpretation of the word “mulamasah”.

Al-Hakim stated in his Al-Mustadrak `Ala as-Sahihain: Al-Bukhari and Muslim have narrated many Hadiths that show that the meaning of the word “lams” (touching) refers to actions that precede sexual intercourse. Among them are:

a) The Hadith narrated by Abu Hurairah that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “…The hands fornicate. Their fornication is the touch ...”

b) The Hadith narrated by Ibn `Abbas that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “You might caress her.”

c) The Hadith narrated by Muslim that Ibn Mas`ud is reported to have said that a person came to Allah's Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) and told him that he had kissed a woman or touched her with his hand or did something like this. He inquired of him about its expiation. It was (on this occasion) that Allah, Glorified and Exalted be He, revealed this Qur’anic verse that reads “Establish worship at the two ends of the day and in some watches of the night. Lo! good deeds annul ill deeds …” (Hud: 114)

d) `A’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) is reported to have said, “The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) used to visit us (his wives) and it was his habit to kiss and caress us and do actions other than sexual intercourse until he reached the one whose turn was due and he stayed there.”

e) `Abdullah ibn Mas`ud is reported to have said in his commentary to Almighty Allah’s saying, “… or ye have touched women, …” that it refers to actions that precede sexual intercourse for which ablution is obligatory.

f) `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) is reported to have said, “Kissing is to be considered among the touching acts, so perform ablution if you do.” (Al-Mustadrak, vol. 1, p. 135)

Hence, the opinion of Imam Malik and the substantial meaning of the legal verdict issued by Imam Ahmad in this respect are that the touching of a woman that nullifies ablution is that which is accompanied by desire. And this is the way they interpreted Almighty Allah’s saying, “… or ye have touched women, …”

That is why Sheikh Al-Islam Ibn Taimiyah regarded as weak the opinion of those who interpreted “mulamasah” or (touching) in the Qur’anic verse to mean mere touching without desire. In this regard, he says, “As for the nullification of ablution with mere touching, it does agree with the original rulings of the Shari`ah, the unanimous agreement of the Companions and the traceable traditions reported in this respect. Moreover, those who held this opinion have not based their ruling on a textual proof or an analogical deduction.”

So, if “touching” in Almighty Allah’s saying “… or ye have touched women, …” refers to touching with hands, kissing or the like, as said by Ibn `Umar and others, then it is known that when “touching” is mentioned in the Qur’an or the Sunnah it refers to that which is accompanied by desire. We would like to cite here the following verse that reads, “… and touch them not, while ye are in retreat in the mosques …” Here, it is not prohibited for the one who retreats to the mosque for devotion and worship to touch his wife without desire, but touching that is accompanied by desire is prohibited.

Also, this includes the Qur’anic verses that read “O ye who believe! If ye wed believing women and divorce them before ye have touched them, then there is no period that ye should reckon …” (Al-Ahzab: 49) “It is no sin for you if ye divorce women while yet ye have not touched them …” (Al-Baqarah: 236) For if he (the husband) touches his wife without desire, then the waiting period is not required and he is not required to pay her the whole dowry, according to the agreement of all Muslim scholars.

So, whoever assumes that Almighty Allah’s saying, “… or ye have touched women, …” includes general touching without desire has exceeded far beyond the language of the Qur’an and that of people. For if “touching” in which a man and a woman are included is mentioned, it is known that it refers to touching with desire. Similarly, if “sexual intercourse” in which a man and a woman are included is mentioned, it is well known that it refers to actual sexual intercourse and nothing else. (See the collection of Fatawa Sheikh Al-Islam Ibn Taimiyah, vol. 21, pp. 223-224)

In another context, Ibn Taimiyah stated: The Companions had debate regarding Almighty Allah’s saying, “… or ye have touched women, …”. Ibn `Abbas, supported by a group, held the opinion that touching here refers to sexual intercourse and added: Allah is modest and generous. He euphemizes with what He wills in respect of what He wills. Ibn Taimiyah added: This opinion is believed to be the most correct.

The Arabs disagreed regarding the meaning of touching: does it refer to sexual intercourse or actions that precede it? The first group said that it refers to sexual intercourse, while the second said that it refers to actions that precede it. They sought the arbitration of Ibn `Abbas, who supported the opinion of the first group and regarded that of the second as incorrect.

By transmitting all these sayings, I mean to show that when the word “al-mass” or “al-lams” (touching) is used to mean what a man does to a woman, it does not refer to mere touching but rather refers to either sexual intercourse or actions that precede it such as kissing, hugging, and any touching of the like that is accompanied by desire and enjoyment.

However, if we investigate the sahih (sound) Hadiths that are narrated from the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), we will conclude that the mere touching of hands between a man and a woman without desire or fear of temptation is not prohibited. Rather, it was done by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), whose actions are originally a source of legislation. Almighty Allah says: “Verily in the Messenger of Allah ye have a good example …” (Al-Ahzab: 21). It is narrated on the authority of Anas ibn Malik (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said, “Any of the female slaves of Madinah could take hold of the hand of Allah's Messenger and take him wherever she wished.” (Reported by Al-Bukhari)

The above mentioned Hadith is a great sign of the modesty of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

Furthermore, it is reported in the two Sahihs that Anas ibn Malik (may Allah be pleased with him) said, “The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to visit Umm Hiram bint Milhan, who would offer him meals. Umm Hiram was the wife of `Ubadah ibn As-Samit. Allah's Messenger once visited her and she provided him with food and started looking for lice in his head. Then Allah's Messenger slept putting his head in her lap, and afterwards woke up smiling. Umm Hiram asked, ‘What causes you to smile, O Allah's Messenger?’ He said, ‘Some of my followers who (in a dream) were presented before me as fighters in Allah's Cause (on board a ship) amidst this sea cause me to smile; they were as kings on thrones …’”

Al-Hafizh Ibn Hajar has mentioned lessons that are deduced from this Hadith: The guest is permitted to nap in a house other than his own on condition that he is given permission and there is no fear of fitnah. According to this Hadith a woman is also permitted to serve the guest by offering him a meal, drink or the like. Furthermore, a woman is permitted to look for lice in his head, but this last was an object of controversy. Ibn `Abd Al-Barr said, “I think that Umm Hiram or her sister Umm Sulaim had breast-fed the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him). So, each one of them had become his foster mother or his foster aunt. That was why he (the Prophet) used to sleep in her house and she used to deal with him as one of her mahrams.” Then he (Ibn `Abd Al-Barr) mentioned what indicates that Umm Hiram was one of the Prophet’s mahrams, as she was one of his relatives from his maternal aunts, since the mother of `Abd Al-Muttalib, his grandfather, was from Banu An-Najjar.

Others said that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was infallible and could control his sexual desires even from his wives, so what about other women who were illegal for him while he was granted infallibility from doing any wrong action or obscenity? This was one of his distinctive traits.

Al-Qadi `Iyad replied that the distinctive traits of the Prophet are not proven by personal interpretations of Hadiths. As for his infallibility, it is indisputable, but the original ruling is that it is permissible to take the Prophet’s actions as a model unless there is evidence that this action is one his distinctive traits.

Furthermore, Al-Hafizh Al-Dumyati said: It is wrong to claim that Umm Hiram was one of the maternal aunts of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) either by reason of marriage or fosterage. Those who breast-fed the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) are well known. None of them was from the Ansar except the mother of `Abd Al-Muttalib. She was Salma bint `Amr ibn Zaid ibn Lubaid ibn Khirash ibn `Amir ibn Ghunm ibn `Adyy ibn An-Najjar. While Umm Hiram is the daughter of Milhan ibn Khalid ibn Zaid ibn Judub ibn `Amir ibn Ghunm ibn `Adyy ibn An-Najjar. Umm Hiram has a common ancestor with Salma only in their grandfather `Amir ibn Ghunm. So, they are not among his mahrams because it is a metaphorical relationship. Al-Hafizh Al-Dumyati added: If this is proven, it is reported in the Sahih books of Hadith that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used not to enter any house in Madinah except the house of Umm Sulaim besides those of his wives. When he was asked why, he said, “I take pity on her, as her brother (Hiram ibn Milhan) was killed in my company.”

If this Hadith has excluded Umm Sulaim, then Umm Hiram is granted the same exclusion as her because they are sisters and resided in the same house; each one of them had her own apartment beside their brother Hiram ibn Milhan. So, the case is mutual between them, as reported by Al-Hafizh ibn Hajar.

Moreover, Umm Sulaim is the mother of Anas ibn Malik, the servant of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), and it was the habit of people that the master mixed with his servant and his family and did not deal with them as outsiders.

Then, Al-Dumyati said: There is no indication in the Hadith showing that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had khulwa (privacy) with Umm Hiram, as this might have happened in the presence of a son, a servant, or a husband.

Ibn Hajar replied: This is a strong likelihood, but it does not refute the original argument represented in looking for lice in the head and sleeping in her lap.

Ibn Hajar added: The best reply is that it is one of the distinctive traits of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) (See Fath Al-Bari, vol. 13, pp. 230-231).

What I conclude from the aforementioned narrations is that the mere touching is not haram. So, if there exists reasons for mixing as that between the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and Umm Hiram and Umm Sulaim and there is no fear of fitnah, then there is nothing wrong with shaking hands when there is a need for it, such as when returning from travel, the non-mahram male relative visiting his female relative, and vice versa, especially if this meeting happens after a long period.

Finally, I would like to ascertain two points:

Firstly, shaking hands between males and females who are not mahrams is only permissible when there is no desire or fear of fitnah. But if there is fear of fitnah, desire, or enjoyment, then handshaking is no doubt haram (unlawful). In contrast, if either of these two conditions (that there is no desire or fear of fitnah) is lacking between a male and any of his female mahrams, such as his aunt or foster sister or the like, then handshaking will be haram (although it is originally permissible).

Secondly, handshaking between males and females who are not mahrams should be restricted to necessary situations such as between relatives or those whose relationships are established by marriage. It is preferable not to expand the field of permissibility in order to block the means to evil and to be far away from doubt and to take the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as a model when there is no proof that he shook hands with a non-mahram woman. Also, it is preferable for the pious Muslim, male or female, not to stretch out his/her hand to shake the hand of anyone of the opposite sex who is not mahram. But if he/she is put in a situation that someone stretches out his/her hand to shake hands with him/her, then he/she can do that.

I have tried to clarify the detailed ruling of the issue here in order to inform those who are in the dark about it how to behave while sticking to the tenets of their religion. Also, when the detailed Islamic ruling is explained and people are fully aware of it, there will be no room for personal justifications that are not supported by legal backing."
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Donia
01-19-2010, 05:13 PM
get your smelly hands outta ma face!!
LOL.

Were you having sexual thoughts or being tempted?
No..:hmm: Hand shakes do not cause me to have any type of desire alhumdulillah.

He now dislikes you and perhaps even our religion.
Well if he dislikes me because I didn't shake his hand, then I'm sorry to hear that. I still had a nice introductory conversation with him. Short and to the point. :)

Based on the two hadiths, we conclude that the basic rule discourages shaking hands with members of the opposite sex, but if one were put in an awkward situation, then there would be no harm to shake hands with members of the opposite sex. This ruling applies to Muslims living in the West because of the social customs prevailing in these countries.
JazakAllah.. thank you for those hadiths and explanations.

Well, my methods for dealing with this:

-if you feel a handshake coming on (and you can usually tell it's coming), keep your hands busy with something (looking through your bag, or in your pockets, or something).
Very good suggestion, sis.

Thanks everyone. Good replies. JazakAllah!
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glo
01-19-2010, 05:17 PM
When members of the Muslim congregation (all male) visited our church recently, I took note how they avoided shaking hands with the women.

I did not offer my hand (because I knew - from this forum! - that it would not be appropriate), but I noticed one Muslim guy in particular, who shook every man's hand, but with the women kept a bit more of a distance, gave a friendly smile, said his hello/good-bye, and gave an indication of a wave.

I thought that was pretty good, and did not leave the non-Muslim women feeling offended or 'left out'.
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cat eyes
01-20-2010, 05:51 PM
:sl: just avoid it and pretend that ur getting something from your hand bag i had to do it many times :exhausted i would also say be careful what situations you get yourself in where you know people will do these things. ive been in situations where ive seen older muslimahs touching the hands of a younger men and just because they feel they are a little older and have kids so they believe it gives them a right to touch other men and fondle them there is so much ignorance i have came across going to other peoples houses.

they cannot leave there culture... they believe that there culture is not ignorant rather it is showing yourself to be not ignorant and if u don't do these things then it means u are ignorant :mmokay:
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Cabdullahi
01-20-2010, 06:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
When members of the Muslim congregation (all male) visited our church recently, I took note how they avoided shaking hands with the women.

I did not offer my hand (because I knew - from this forum! - that it would not be appropriate), but I noticed one Muslim guy in particular, who shook every man's hand, but with the women kept a bit more of a distance, gave a friendly smile, said his hello/good-bye, and gave an indication of a wave.

I thought that was pretty good, and did not leave the non-Muslim women feeling offended or 'left out'.
That brother should've offered a handshake but when the women extended their hands he should have withdrew his hand and put his thumb on his nose and wiggled his fingers....and to add suspense and a bit of fear whilst doing the above he should conclude by saying ALLAH U AKBAR!
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IbnAbdulHakim
01-20-2010, 08:31 PM
may Allah never put us in a situation where we feel pressured to do what our hearts dislike (physically touching the opposite gender)

but in such a situation i advise EVERYONE to consult a truelly knowledgable sincere scholar. I've heard it can be permissable IN EXTREME CONDITIONS


wallahu a'lam
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Life_Is_Short
01-20-2010, 08:40 PM
Say hey look there is an elephant behind you and run away.
So glad i got interviewed by a lady. :statisfie
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
01-21-2010, 09:33 PM
^^ :) :d ;d... . .
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
01-21-2010, 09:39 PM
Aslaamu alaaykum...
Lol ALhamdulilah i never ever had to shake any mans hand :) and Insha`Allaah no such situation will occur, but if it does, i would just not raise it, lol i would look somewhere else or behind me or something and to make sure the person knows i look somewhere else too :D...i think another good tip would be keeping your hands behind your back, or just get some cream and put it all over your hand whilst it still isnt moisterized lol or however you say it.like you havent rubbed it into the skin lol.they may not then want to shake your hands then..hmm i dunno just a few thoughts Indeed :D..If not then just say it lol. "Sorry i dont touch others mens hands beside my husbands :)" simple as :) yay me
and sorry if ive said anything bad or wrong i didnt mean it :(
Wa alaaykum salaam
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latiffa
01-21-2010, 09:50 PM
Like some of u know allready I am a beginer and I am happy to know more things about one muslima must be. :smile:
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Somaiyah
01-22-2010, 04:03 PM
Assalamu alaykum,

I wouldn't just refuse to shake hands by acts, that would lead to that this person might think you have something against that person or anything. It's better to simply say "I don't shake hands because I don't want any physichal contact with other men". As simple as that. This will make him understand and if you also say it's no offense to him as person he won't feel bad for it. But don't just stand there lol.
I shake hands sometimes with men, which is when the man grabs my hand to shake without me being able to react lol. Such as in the hospital and at the dentist and so. But if it's not your fault then well...
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The Ruler
01-23-2010, 08:05 PM
Sweaty palms people?
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mish mash
01-23-2010, 09:21 PM
[QUOTE=Abdullahii;1280018]get your smelly hands outta ma face!![/QUOTE

lolz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D
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mish mash
01-23-2010, 09:24 PM
put a fake hand up ur sleeve and wen day r not luukin throw it away!!
:)
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Grofica
01-24-2010, 10:02 AM
I dont know... in the west its extreamly rude to not shake someones hand. and people arent tolerent enough to find our or listen to why....

technically your not supposed to though. its always a huge awkward moment for me, i never know what to do... i bet i look like i am having a sezure when handshake time comes ha ha ha ha hah a
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YusufNoor
01-24-2010, 01:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Grofica
I dont know... in the west its extreamly rude to not shake someones hand. and people arent tolerent enough to find our or listen to why....

especially in work situations.

technically your not supposed to though. its always a huge awkward moment for me, i never know what to do... i bet i look like i am having a sezure when handshake time comes ha ha ha ha hah a
there CAN be those awkward moments! i get them at the desk at Harborview, or after giving someone tips on how to use the system, they stick out their hand. and you're thinking, "i just spent 30 minutes explaining the right way to do things and what to do if someone is rude to you. sigh," handshake is returned.

it was even harder when i was in the hospital. your laying down in the ER, you can barely move and in pops this little [OK, and VERY pretty] Doctor. she introduces herself and jams that hand out there like she has practiced it, making sure there is no hesitation on her part and trying to give the impression that she "does this all the time!" so fast that it wasn't until you are pulling your hand away that you realize what just happened. at least she had a glove on, but there went my wuduu...[anyway i think she WAS new and she DID practice it. as i was getting ready to leave the hospital imheard her saying to the head Cardio Dr, "Wow, my first checkout!" so she is either new, or....:omg:

i am almost at the point where i would rather "shake first" and then explain afterwards. while it is worse for me, it is easier on them. in 3 to 5 seconds is a little tough to make dawah!

:wa:
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Asiyah3
01-24-2010, 01:23 PM
I think that one of the biggest issue here is that many of us don't even take this seriously (I'm not saying that we want to to shake hands)
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