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Grace Seeker
01-19-2010, 09:18 PM
The following article comes from a well respected organization, The Alban Institute. It seemed to be to be appropriate to a forum on comparative religions. The author puts forth some interesting ideas that I'm sure will meet with a mixed response here. With the hope that we can identify and discuss major issues presented here without the tangential inferences and emotional arguments that often derail so many of our other threads from their original focus, I am posting it in full below:

THE CASE FOR MULTIFAITH EDUCATION
by Justus N. Baird

As a rabbi who directs a multifaith center in a Christian seminary, I often get asked about multifaith education. People ask me, "What curriculum should I use?" or "How can we teach our students about other religions?" Even more often I am asked, "Do you know a Muslim I can invite to speak at our program?" But rarely am I asked, "Why should we be doing interfaith education at all?" A rabbinic colleague of mine put it to me this way: "I just can't articulate why interfaith is important to focus on," he said. "Other than making sure we can all just get along, why does this matter?" he asked. Let's be honest: most of us know precious little about our own religious traditions, so why should we spend our valuable time learning about other faiths?

I do not embrace a "why don't we all just get along" attitude toward interfaith work, and I do not believe that the world would be a better place if people of faith would just focus on a few so-called universal teachings from their religious traditions. I do not want there to be one religion in the world; in fact, I think that would be a disaster, and my own understanding of God's will, which is rooted in Jewish tradition and the Hebrew Bible, is that God doesn't want there to be one religion either.

The case for multifaith education stands on three things: the news, the pews, and religious views. First, the news. News headlines are dominated by events that are, at least in part, the result of religious ignorance or misunderstanding. Consider the following news cycles, each of which has a significant interfaith component: the 2008 presidential race, including confusion over the religious background of presidential candidates Barack Obama and Mitt Romney and the way both John McCain's and Barack Obama's pastors were part of the news coverage; international conflicts including the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, saber rattling with Iran, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, each conflict colored by so-called fundamentalist Muslims; and a federal raid of a large compound in Texas run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints, followed by an embarrassing reversal of many of the charges by the Texas Supreme Court. None of these stories was exclusively about religion, but each one had a religious component.

Because news stories like these are the primary source of information about other religious traditions for most Americans, it is not surprising that so many of us are misinformed or have biased opinions about people of different faiths. Is Judaism well represented by the news of a federal raid on the kosher slaughterhouse in Postville, Iowa, or by stories about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? Is Christianity well represented by headlines about the various forms of sexual misconduct by its clergy? Religion's high profile in the media puts the responsibility on religious leaders to offer quality instruction about other religious traditions to their flocks. If we don't answer this call for multifaith learning, we will raise another generation of people of faith schooled in misunderstanding, stereotypes, and bias.

News stories are a constant reminder that religion and misunderstanding about religion play a role in conflict around the world. In places like the former Yugoslavia, India, Israel, Iraq, Iran, the Sudan, Myanmar, and Northern Ireland, conflict is fueled by the relations between faith communities. On 9/11 Americans learned that such conflict is not confined to foreign shores. Humanity's ability to resolve conflict is in part predicated on our ability to create better understanding between peoples of faith; our own security—our physical safety—is directly related to building relations across religious divides.

Even news stories that appear to have nothing to do with religion are an impetus for multifaith education. Global warming, torture at Abu Ghraib, and poverty: injustices like these are opportunities for people of different faiths to engage in cooperative action to promote justice. The news is a daily reminder that the world remains a broken place. People of faith have a responsibility to take part in repairing the world by reaching across religious divides and working together on issues of shared concern. For all these reasons—the misunderstanding and bias created by learning about other faiths from the news, the role of religion in conflict that affects our security, and the reminder of injustices that demand cooperative action—the news is a major part of the case for multifaith education.

The second reason to engage in multifaith education is the pews. "Pews" refers to the religious diversity in our neighborhoods and in our congregations. Although reliable figures are hard to come by, many have claimed that the United States is the most religiously diverse country in the world. What is not disputed is the incredible growth of religious diversity in the United States since the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. In 2008 researchers at Harvard University's Pluralism Project listed more than 1,600 mosques, 2,200 Buddhist sanghas, 700 Hindu temples, and 250 Sikh gurdwaras in the United States. How many times have we driven by these structures in our own neighborhood without ever bothering to stop in?

The religious diversity in our neighborhoods spills over into the pews of our congregations. Each time I lead prayers or give a sermon in my own synagogue, I have to think about how the prayers or the sermon will be understood not only by my Jewish congregants but also by the many non-Jewish people in the room. These are not curious visitors—these are the partners and spouses of congregants, many of whom regularly come to the services. And almost half of the people in the pews of American congregations grew up in a different denomination: the 2008 U.S. Religious Landscape Survey by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life reported that 44 percent of Americans have left the denomination of their childhood for another denomination, another faith, or no faith at all. Most clergy find a wide variety of backgrounds represented in the pews: lifelong adherents, less affiliated newcomers shopping for a religious community, and people of a different faith altogether. Family members of different faiths turn up during a visit to the hospital, at weddings, and at funerals. Do clergy know enough about other religious traditions to serve nonadherents well? Do lay leaders know how to embrace people from other religious traditions without saying embarrassing things? Can congregations serve families made up of a variety of religious affiliations? To effectively serve our communities—to lead our congregations faithfully—we must have a better working knowledge of other faith traditions.

The news and the pews are the two high-profile reasons for engaging in multifaith continuing education. The third reason, religious views, is more subtle and personal: engaging in multifaith education enriches one's own faith. Those who spend time learning about different religious traditions report that they come to understand their own tradition better and that they are stretched to grow spiritually. A familiar maxim teaches that "to know one religion is to know none." Religious traditions did not evolve in a vacuum—they are interrelated, and many aspects of our faith traditions cannot be understood without knowledge of other religions. Learning about other religions helps us make sense of our own. Encountering other faiths also directs our attention to muted theological strands in our own tradition. Religious practices or ideas that are strongly emphasized in one tradition may be more hidden in another. We can experience what theologian Krister Stendahl called "holy envy;" that is, we can appreciate new languages to praise God while being faithful to our own tradition.

No longer can we ignore the religious diversity that influences our world and reaches deep into our communities. Because of a great lack of education about other faiths, stereotypes and misunderstanding continue to proliferate, which fuels conflicts around the world and at home. Religious leaders and laypeople must better understand other faith traditions in order to serve their own communities and engage in righteous acts with others. And as we travel the path toward greater understanding of other religions, we will grow in our own relationship to God.
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Karl
01-19-2010, 10:06 PM
Sounds like a load of furry fuzzy lefty nonsense to me. I would rather listen to a zealot Rabbi than this socialist fuzzy mush.
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Eric H
01-21-2010, 03:11 PM
Greetings and peace be with you Grace Seeker; thanks for the link,

I feel there is a need for individual faith schools, to try and inspire a faith, but the internet might be a useful tool for building interfaith understanding and friendship.

View our global schools programme in action
And tell your friends!

Watch a short video of young people from India, UK, US, and Singapore building understanding and breaking down barriers by taking part in interactive video conferences with our global schools programme Face to Faith.

Then invite your friends and family to watch the video by filling out the form below.

http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation....cetoFaithvideo
In the spirit of praying to the same God

Eric
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Pygoscelis
01-25-2010, 02:19 PM
I'm with Daniel Dennett on this one (probably not suprisingly). Teach a wide cross section of religions to our youth, only objective facts, no demonization or reverence, no tribalism, no preaching. Do that and I'm ok with their parents indoctrinating them into whatever faith they like.

Giving the youth the cross section is a way to give them a basis of knowledge and a chance to evaluate their own spiritual beliefs not in a vacuum as those beliefs develop and once they have developed. This could lead to a deeper understanding and appreciation of whatever they do end up believing, and help them to avoid believing just because they are told that they believe.

I grew up in a very Christian area and it wasn't until my mid twenties that I first encountered Budhism, Hinduism, and Islam. New ideas and new ways of thinking.
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aamirsaab
01-25-2010, 02:25 PM
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I do think multifaith education is important in a multi-cultural society. So I am in support of this too. Just the basic stuff really: the rituals, the customaries etc. Enough for people to think about that religion (if only for those 30 minutes or w/e) and at the very least have some knowledge on the matter.

There's no need for indoctrination (if anyone is doing that, it should be parents), but there is a need for education.
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Trumble
01-27-2010, 11:48 PM
I totally agree with this. So much hate and mistrust betwen people if different religions is simply because of lack of understanding, hearing only 'one side of the story' from totally biased sources, and failing to recognise the similarities as well as differences. 'Indoctrination' isn't an issue, as aamirsaab said even if it was attempted family and cultural influences regarding 'choice' of religion would always be dominant. Some kids, especially as they get older, might make religious choices on purely intellectual grounds but, if based on unbiased information that's as it should be.

Another issue is simply that of how to relate to people without causing offence or embarrassment. Now, I would not offer to shake hands with a woman I knew to be muslim, for example, but I learned that a long time after I left school!
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Italianguy
02-04-2010, 01:02 AM
Love the thread!:D

I just changed my major in college(Large well known Christian university i attend) from accounting to Theological Seminary. It's awesome and we partake in a full range in studies of the major worldveiws especially Islam. We even speak to Muslims Buddhists, Hindu's and Jewish scholars, it's awesome:D
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Woodrow
02-04-2010, 01:53 PM
I think each of us needs to weigh the pros and cons. (I know wishy-washy answer)


We come from different backgrounds and live in different locations. I find it to be a necessity here in the USA. The main reason is because if we do not support multifaith education, very few Americans will ever learn the true views of Islam and we will continue to be seen as the stereotypical media portrait.

Less than 2% of Americans are Muslim and the Majority of those will be found in 6 states. Nearly half of the US Muslim population live in 3 states, 21 States have no measurable percentage of Muslims, 23 States have a negligible nearly invisible number of Muslims.

Without multifaith Education in the USA, most Americans will only learn of Islam from what the media shows as being Islam.
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Grace Seeker
02-04-2010, 05:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
I think each of us needs to weigh the pros and cons. (I know wishy-washy answer)


We come from different backgrounds and live in different locations. I find it to be a necessity here in the USA. The main reason is because if we do not support multifaith education, very few Americans will ever learn the true views of Islam and we will continue to be seen as the stereotypical media portrait.

Less than 2% of Americans are Muslim and the Majority of those will be found in 6 states. Nearly half of the US Muslim population live in 3 states, 21 States have no measurable percentage of Muslims, 23 States have a negligible nearly invisible number of Muslims.

Without multifaith Education in the USA, most Americans will only learn of Islam from what the media shows as being Islam.

I agree with your analysis. We do need more realistic portrayal of all religions, including Islam, in America. I wonder, would not the same reasoning be a sound rationale for teaching Christianity in cultures/countries where Christianity is a minority, nearly invisible percent of the population? Would you support multifaith education in Mecca?
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Woodrow
02-04-2010, 07:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker
I agree with your analysis. We do need more realistic portrayal of all religions, including Islam, in America. I wonder, would not the same reasoning be a sound rationale for teaching Christianity in cultures/countries where Christianity is a minority, nearly invisible percent of the population? Would you support multifaith education in Mecca?
Not in Mecca or Madinah, however for the remainder of Saudi I would. Even though we disagree with faiths other than Islam, I think it is very important we base our differences on fact and not on what we think another faith believes. We need to learn that the sterotypes about each other are what lead to misunderstandings.

The Reason I exclude Mecca and Madinah is because non-Muslims are forbidden in both. Both cities are recognized as the ideal places to learn purely about Islam.
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Predator
02-05-2010, 06:40 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
Not in Mecca or Madinah, however for the remainder of Saudi I would. Even though we disagree with faiths other than Islam, I think it is very important we base our differences on fact and not on what we think another faith believes. We need to learn that the sterotypes about each other are what lead to misunderstandings.

The Reason I exclude Mecca and Madinah is because non-Muslims are forbidden in both. Both cities are recognized as the ideal places to learn purely about Islam.
Proselyting will not be tolerated in any gulf country .let alone in Saudi


In the Quran 3:85, it says that Islam is the only true religion and thats what we believe

Let us take the analogy of a school principal hiring a mathematics teacher and says, "Would a principal hire a teacher who says that 2+2 = 3?"

"Of course the principal would not hire that teacher because that teacher does not have the right math knowledge.

Similarly, Muslims will not allow other religions because they are not right.

Many of these so called " interfaith discussions" turn into abuse and then into a promotion of another religion

Below is one such incident of Christian missionary who was arrested in UAE for abusing Islam and conducting Christian missionary activity

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/10896.htm

If this is what Dubai the so -called Las Vegas of the Middle east does to missionaries , you could imagine what would happen to them in Saudi , he will be torn apart.
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Grace Seeker
02-05-2010, 07:05 PM
Some people believe that Muslims are nothing but a bunch of terrorists. That they worship a moon god. That they oppress women. And, most recently in the news, that they force children into being suicide bombers.

Some people believe that Christians are all hypocritical *****mongers. That priests are nothing but pedophiles. That one can do whatever one wishes as long as one "believes." And, at one time in history, that Christians were cannibals because they eat the body and drank the blood of Christ.


Similar presuppositions are accepted as unadulterated facts by many people who have no education with regard to other religions, and who have only the bias of their own particular culture to inform them.


Are any of these things even remotely true? No. But because they are believed, they form the basis on which people of different faiths often interact with one another. What a shame, rather than learn the truth and make informed decisions, some would prefer to live in ignorance. But this is not unique to any one group, you will find such attitudes that I already know all I need to know, or "don't confuse me with the facts" scattered among every people group in every nation. I think the existance of such an attitude is itself sufficient reason to encourage multifaith education. I want the collective mindset of my country to be informed by truth and an accurate knowledge of the undergirding ways of thinking and believing of those which we interact with, whether that interaction be one-on-one and personal in nature or in the context of international foreign affairs. And I want others who are going to interact with me, my fellow citizens, and my country to have a more accurate view as well.

I'm not naive enough to think that this will make the world a peaceful utopia. But surely it will lead to better understanding and we could all use some of that in our lives.
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aadil77
02-05-2010, 09:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H
Greetings and peace be with you Grace Seeker; thanks for the link,

I feel there is a need for individual faith schools, to try and inspire a faith, but the internet might be a useful tool for building interfaith understanding and friendship.
In the spirit of praying to the same God

Eric
What is this tony blair faith foundation all about and all this is coming from the man who started an illegal war on muslims? I've just realised a brother I know is part of it, alot of other muslims are involved as well, strange.

http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation....d-mike/68/327/
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Woodrow
02-05-2010, 10:23 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Airforce
Proselyting will not be tolerated in any gulf country .let alone in Saudi


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I agree Proselyting will not be tolerated.


But that does not rule out interfaith education, discussion of dialogue,

Interfaith initiative to promote peace: Al-Turki
P.K. Abdul Ghafour | Arab News



JEDDAH: Abdullah Al-Turki, secretary-general of the Makkah-based Muslim World League (MWL), has highlighted the significance of the interfaith dialogue initiated by Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah, and said it would contribute to strengthening world peace and stability.
SOURCE: http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&sect...=25&m=9&y=2009
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Eric H
02-06-2010, 01:38 AM
Greetings and peace be with you aadil77;

What is this tony blair faith foundation all about and all this is coming from the man who started an illegal war on muslims? I've just realised a brother I know is part of it, alot of other muslims are involved as well, strange.

http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation....d-mike/68/327/
I posted the link, because of the positive use of the internet for building interfaith relationships.

At the same time it is difficult to understand Tony Blair’s motives for building interfaith relations, why wasn’t this at the forefront of his thoughts, before he entered our country into war with Afghanistan and Iraq? I would suggest that these wars have fuelled more interfaith conflict, rather than understanding.

I feel passionate about building interfaith relations, because we are all created by the same God, and the same God hears all our prayers, despite all our differences. Some how we should pray and work towards reconciliation with each other, somehow we must learn to forgive.

In the spirit of praying to One God despite all our differences

Eric
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Grace Seeker
02-24-2010, 03:40 PM
An interesting developement:Hartford Seminary is launching a new "Graduate Certificate in Imam Education".

Though the article quotes extensively from one who is obviously against this happening, I think it is a positive development. This is NOT the seminary teaching Islam, but of recognizing that Islam needs educated leaders as well, and making that process more readily available. I would think this would lead to better and more informed conversation between individuals who are preparing to become leaders of Christian and Muslim congregations. Such a time of side-by-side development will surely produce social contact that will lead to better understanding.
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Grace Seeker
03-10-2010, 12:17 AM
No comments on the above?

Funny, I really thought I would hear objections from both Christians and Muslims to this one. Is it that I've misjudged the forum, or you just found it uninteresting?
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جوري
03-10-2010, 12:43 AM
I am anti multifaith education and anti imams training in christian seminary schools, is this some kind of a joke?

Surah Al-Kafirun
1 SAY: "O you who deny the truth!1

2 "I do not worship that which you worship,

3 and neither do you worship that which I worship.

4 "And I will not worship that which you have [ever] worshipped,

5 and neither will you [ever] worship that which I worship.2

6 "Unto you, your moral law, and unto me, mine!"3

all the best
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Amadeus85
03-10-2010, 02:02 PM
Multifaith education is an idea of masons and liberals, enemies of Christ.
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جوري
03-10-2010, 05:42 PM
Rather the enemies of God.. 'Mulitfaith' can only be targeting of Muslims.. I can't imagine Christianity being any more liberal!

all the best
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Supreme
03-10-2010, 07:01 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
Rather the enemies of God.. 'Mulitfaith' can only be targeting of Muslims.. I can't imagine Christianity being any more liberal!

all the best
I absoloutely agree.
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Amadeus85
03-10-2010, 09:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
Rather the enemies of God.. 'Mulitfaith' can only be targeting of Muslims.. I can't imagine Christianity being any more liberal!

all the best
I'm speaking about catholicism.
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جوري
03-10-2010, 10:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85
I'm speaking about catholicism.
and this changes things how?
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Justufy
03-11-2010, 12:02 AM
I think I can agree with multifaith education, its good to have a wide scope.
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Pygoscelis
03-11-2010, 02:50 AM
If your religion is as true and strong as you believe it to be, wouldn't showing all the others only make it stronger?

I don't believe parents should have the right to hide their kids from competing ideas. I hate when I see Menonites doing this. Children are not property. They are not owned by their parents.

There is no such thing as a "christian baby" or a "muslim baby", or a "liberal baby" or "conservative baby" for that matter. You are not any ideology until you've actually personally chosen it and people should have all available information in making an informed choice.
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جوري
03-11-2010, 03:12 AM
This has nothing to do with 'faith being strong/true' or not as most folks learn of other religions anyway on their own good time, the whole idea behind this absurdity is to form some ecumenical community with no edicts, rituals or identity where religion is attenuated and reduced to the shameless debacle that is atheism..

All babies are born Muslims on fitrah.. and there is only one eternal truth!

(17: 81) And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."
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Grace Seeker
03-11-2010, 01:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
If your religion is as true and strong as you believe it to be, wouldn't showing all the others only make it stronger?

I don't believe parents should have the right to hide their kids from competing ideas. I hate when I see Menonites doing this. Children are not property. They are not owned by their parents.

There is no such thing as a "christian baby" or a "muslim baby", or a "liberal baby" or "conservative baby" for that matter. You are not any ideology until you've actually personally chosen it and people should have all available information in making an informed choice.
So, Pygosceilis, if you have children, will you send them to Sunday school, Hebrew school, and whatever the name is for the classes that Muslims have for educating their children in the Islamic faith?
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Skavau
03-11-2010, 03:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
and this changes things how?
Amadeus85 (click here) if you're not aware is a very right-wing fascist (he does not deny this term) leaning catholic who desires that a large chunk, if not all of europe fall under a quasi-medieval 'rule of christ'. He is against mult-culturalism, against homosexuality. He believes Secularism to be a massive conspiracy conduced by anti-catholics, or anti-theists, or in general atheists (I have no idea who he believes secularism specifically targets and by whom). He wishes to tell people what to do in their lives based on divine ordinance.

In short, he would like to have a state which tells people other than him what to do with their lives.

This is all highly amusing and ironic seeing as he listens to heavy metal, a sub-genre of music that many Christian right-wingers would see banned if they had their way.
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Skavau
03-11-2010, 03:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
This has nothing to do with 'faith being strong/true' or not as most folks learn of other religions anyway on their own good time, the whole idea behind this absurdity is to form some ecumenical community with no edicts, rituals or identity where religion is attenuated and reduced to the shameless debacle that is atheism..
You believe that being decreed a specific mindset a birth is of more value that declaring your theological and metaphysical position yourself?

I rather think that empowering people and providing them with the means themselves to declare their own path in life puts a greater meaning on all terms, including even 'faith'.

I'm partially confused though: Do you disagree with places of education teaching their students different religious viewpoints as a means of purely that - education?

All babies are born Muslims on fitrah.. and there is only one eternal truth!
Well, lots of people believe that (although attribute the 'eternal truth' as something else). It is however meaningless to everyone else.
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Amadeus85
03-11-2010, 03:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau



This is all highly amusing and ironic seeing as he listens to heavy metal, a sub-genre of music that many Christian right-wingers would see banned if they had their way.
That was a few years ago, now I know what heavy metal really is.

The rest is quite correct, maybe except the whole liberal point of view. ^o)
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جوري
03-11-2010, 03:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau
Amadeus85 (click here) if you're not aware is a very right-wing fascist (he does not deny this term) leaning catholic who desires that a large chunk, if not all of europe fall under a quasi-medieval 'rule of christ'. He is against mult-culturalism, against homosexuality. He believes Secularism to be a massive conspiracy conduced by anti-catholics, or anti-theists, or in general atheists (I have no idea who he believes secularism specifically targets and by whom). He wishes to tell people what to do in their lives based on divine ordinance.

In short, he would like to have a state which tells people other than him what to do with their lives.

This is all highly amusing and ironic seeing as he listens to heavy metal, a sub-genre of music that many Christian right-wingers would see banned if they had their way.
I think it would serve the Muslim world greatly if Europe were to go back to the dark ages of church reign where women were soulless creatures and wearing pointy shoes meant you were promiscuous and where circumcised males had to keep their parts with them so that 'God could put them together after death' and eating potatoes meant you were having the devil's food for it grew from the earth so that millions of them end up dead in famines and not go beyond their boundaries so they wouldn't fall off the face of the earth..

Can't think of a single disadvantage :D

all the best
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Pygoscelis
03-11-2010, 03:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker
So, Pygosceilis, if you have children, will you send them to Sunday school, Hebrew school, and whatever the name is for the classes that Muslims have for educating their children in the Islamic faith?
Too many places to send them. If they had one place where they could see all of it, yes, absolutely.
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Skavau
03-11-2010, 03:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85
That was a few years ago, now I know what heavy metal really is.
Oh alright, you're against it now?

You haven't updated your profile.

The rest is quite correct, maybe except the whole liberal point of view. ^o)
Huh? You mean my liberal point of view or did I infer you were too liberal?
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Supreme
03-11-2010, 05:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau
Amadeus85 (click here) if you're not aware is a very right-wing fascist (he does not deny this term) leaning catholic who desires that a large chunk, if not all of europe fall under a quasi-medieval 'rule of christ'. He is against mult-culturalism, against homosexuality. He believes Secularism to be a massive conspiracy conduced by anti-catholics, or anti-theists, or in general atheists (I have no idea who he believes secularism specifically targets and by whom). He wishes to tell people what to do in their lives based on divine ordinance.

In short, he would like to have a state which tells people other than him what to do with their lives.
Never have truer words been spoken!
Add 'anti Protestant' and 'anti communist' to the list too.
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Amadeus85
03-11-2010, 08:04 PM
It's an anglo saxon crusade against me, admit it. :D
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theblackcloud
03-11-2010, 09:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
I think it would serve the Muslim world greatly if Europe were to go back to the dark ages of church reign where women were soulless creatures and wearing pointy shoes meant you were promiscuous and where circumcised males had to keep their parts with them so that 'God could put them together after death' and eating potatoes meant you were having the devil's food for it grew from the earth so that millions of them end up dead in famines and not go beyond their boundaries so they wouldn't fall off the face of the earth..

Can't think of a single disadvantage :D

all the best
Besides the blatant sarcasm, how would that really serve the Muslim world better?
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theblackcloud
03-11-2010, 09:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
Rather the enemies of God.. 'Mulitfaith' can only be targeting of Muslims.. I can't imagine Christianity being any more liberal!

all the best
Any religion, be it Islam or Christianity, are only as liberal or conservative based on how they are interpreted and implemented into society. Islam can be just as liberal as Christianity if interpreted in such a way.
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