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Darth Ultor
01-25-2010, 01:22 AM
What is the Muslim view of the Messiah? I'm really here to learn from and interact with Muslims more than anything. How will we know if the messiah will be real or a fraud?

In Judaism, it is said that he will be a man descended from the line of King David and there is a string of events that are to happen before hand. We, like the Christians and Muslim, also believe that there will be a false Messiah first before the real one.
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sur
01-25-2010, 02:08 PM
There is NO "messiah" as such, for muslims. Though there's mention of a just ruler who will lead muslims but we don't use word messiah for him. Because purpose of messiah was to relieve bani-israel of restrictions imposed on them when God got angry with them. While that muslim ruler has no such purpose, so he's NOT called messiah.

When Quran speaks of Messiah, it's talking of Messiah that was supposed to come to bani-israel, but when he came, he was rejected as being a false messiah. When God got angry with Bani-israel, he made somethings haraam(forbidden) for them that used to be halaal(permitted) before. Messiah was supposed to come & relieve bani-israel of those restrictions & God's wrath, ONLY if they accepted him & his teachings. But they refused to accept him rather tried to kill him.

"Hadees" also uses word messiah for Dajjal(anti-christ), because ppl who rejected real messiah, will accept dajjal as their messiah & then true-messiah will return to eliminate massiah-al-dajjal.


How do we know it's true messiah??? This should have been a concern for those whom messiah was for. We are NOT expecting any messiah for us to come relieve us of restrictions etc. Though we believe in return of Eesa(Jesus), he's NOT messiah ment for us.


...there is a string of events that are to happen before hand.
Can u list those events etc.?
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Muslima.as
01-27-2010, 05:16 PM
Assalam Alaykum
Well, I'm not sure if he is decended from King David or not, but he is a prophet sent by Allah. In Islam, we believe that he is a man (not a God, or a son of God) whose most amazing mircale, that he was born without a father to Mariam (Mary) The Virgin. Quran tells us he wasn't crucified, but was raised to heavens, and will come back at the end of time, joins Islam, rule the world and fill it with justice, and kills the Fake Christ (Antichrist) who appears at the end of time too.
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World Peace
02-08-2010, 12:40 AM
Salam aleacom

Welcome Boaz

Muslims believe in Jesus (peace be upon him):
“ Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)." (The Holy Quran, 3: 84)

In his miraculous birth and in the miracles which he performed with God’s permission (Among his miracles was to be able to talk as a baby, and speaking in defence of his mother Mary, when she was faced with false accusations).
“Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah. He shall speak to the people when in childhood and in maturity. And shall be (of the company) of the righteous. She said: “O my Lord!, how shall have a son when no man has touched me? He said: “even so; Allah creates what He wills: When he has decreed a plan, He but says to it, ‘Be! And it is! And He will teach him the Book and the Wisdom and the Law and the Gospel, And (appoint him) a messenger to the children of Israel, (with this message):‘ I have come to you, with a sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breath into it, and becomes a bird by Allah’s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah’s leave; and I declare to you what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely therein is a sign for you if you did believe” (The Holy Quran, 3:48-50)
“Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, A Man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know” Acts 2:22.

God created Jesus (peace be upon him) as a sign
“He said: "So (it will be): your Lord says, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us': It is a matter (so) decreed. (The Holy Quran, 19:21)

However, Muslims believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) was not crucified but rather, God raised him up to heaven to himself, saving him from the intended crucifixion. Jesus (peace be upon him) characteristics were put over another man, and that man was crucified instead.
“That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah ; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not” ( The Holy Quran, 4:157)
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise” (The Holy Quran, 4:158)

““The view that God punished his innocent son to free mankind from sin is seen by Muslims to violate the rule set out in Deuteronomy (24:16). “The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor shall the children be put to death for the fathers, every man shall be put to death for his own sin”. The same is expressed in the Quran: “no soul shall bear another’s burden” (The Holy Quran, 6:164).”
Jesus (peace be upon him) the messiah, will return before the end of times.
“And (Jesus) shall be a sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.” (The Holy Quran, 43:61)

His return will be one of the major signs which will occur, other signs will include the emergence of the anti-christ or “dajjal” whom Jesus will confront and defeat, and after he will rule for a period of peace and prosperity.

Muslims believe that God has no sons, daughters or associates.
“Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begets not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.” (The Holy Quran,112:1-4)”

““Jesus (peace be upon him) called for the worship of the one and only God of the Ten Commandments: “I am the Lord, your God.... you shall have no other gods before me, or in Hosea 13:4: “I am the Lord your God from the land of Egypt: you know no god but Me, and besides Me there is no saviour”. In addition, in Matthew 5:17-19 “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them”.”
"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers: say not ‘Trinity’; desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God: glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs." (The Holy Quran, 4:171)”

“They say: “(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!” Indeed you have put forth a thing most monstrous! At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin. That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious. For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.” (The Holy Quran, 19:88-93)”

"They do blaspheme who say Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them." (The Holy Quran, 5:74)”

“JOB 25:4. How then can man be justified with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman? JOB 25:5. Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight. JOB 25:6. How much less man that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?
JOB 14:4. Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one.”
“It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, “Be” and it is (The Holy Quran, 19:35).

“Verily, when He intends a thing, his Command is, “be”, and it is! (The Holy Quran, 36:82).
“The Gospel of John, 5:30"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and myjudgement is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."”

“Jesus (pbuh) repeated many times the first commandment (Law): “Hear O’ Israel, your Lord your God is one God” (Mark12 :29) and “You shall worship your God and none other”.
EXODUS 20: 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
EXODUS 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
ISAIAH 43-10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. ISAIAH 44-11I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
JOHN 8-40: But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God.”

“Deut 4:39: “... that the Lord, He is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath; there is none else”

“Isaiah 44:6: Thus saith the Lord.... I am the first, and I am the last; and beside Me there is no God”

““And behold, one came and said unto him, Good master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments” Mathew 19:16-17.”

“Paul nails the law and the commandments to the cross (Colossians 2:14) and claims that salvation can only be obtained through the deathand resurrection of Jesus (pbuh) Christ: Refer to: 2 Timothy: 8: “Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my (Paul’s) gospel”: "If Christ be not risen from the dead, then our preaching is vain, and your faith is also vain."(1 Corinthians 15:14) According to St. Paul, if Jesus(pbuh) did NOT die, and he was NOT resurrected from the dead, thenthere can be NO salvation in Christianity!”
“Vatican Church follows Paul’s teachings
Paul Changed Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday
(1) Paul was not chosen as one of the disciples of Jesus (pbuh). (2) Paul introduced the concept of ‘son of God’. (Refer Acts 9:20) whereas the foundation of belief of Jesus and Moses and all the Prophets is the belief in ONE GOD. Paul contradicts all the fundamental teachings of Jesus (pbuh).
Gal 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus (pbuh) Christ, even we have believed in Jesus (pbuh) Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.“1 Cor 10:24 Let no man seek his own, but every man another’s wealth. 1 Cor 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake Note: The words spoken by Jesus (pbuh) regarding the observation ofthe LAW OF MOSES is destroyed by Paul in its entirety.

Jesus (pbuh) observed the Law as is recorded in many places of the Bible.Paul encourages people to steal others wealth in 1st Cor 10:24 when theCommandants prohibit such acts. John 14:15 “If ye love me, keep my commandments”
MATT 15:9: But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. MARK 7:7: Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matt 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matt 7:21”

“Jesus (pbuh) was asked- “Master, which is the great commandment in the Law?” MATT 22:37:Jesus (pbuh) said: “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.””

“Trinitarian Christianity claims to base its doctrines on a combination of Jesus’ and Paul teachings. The problem is, these teachings are anything but complementary. In fact, they contradict on another”. Jesus taught Old Testament Law; Paul negated it. Paul preached mysteries of faith. Jesus spoke of accountability; Paul proposed justification by faith. Jesus described himself as an ethnic prophet; Paul defined him as a universal prophet. Jesus taught prayer to God, Paul set up Jesus as intercessor. Jesus taught divine unity, Pauline theologians constructed the trinity.” “For these reasons many scholars consider Paul the main corrupter of Jesus’ teachings” Laurence B. Brown, Where is the Christ in Christianity?

“Hence the faith in Christ as held by primitive churches and by Paul was something new in comparison with the preaching of Jesus; it was a new type of religion.” Dr. Johannes Weiss (1909) Paul and Jesus, London and New York: Harper and Brothers. P. 130

“We are a universe away for Jesus. If Jesus came “only to fulfil” the Law and the Prophets; if he thought that “ not an iota, not a dot” would “pass from the Law, “ that the cardinal commandment was “Hear, O Israel, the Lord Our God, the Lord is one, “ and that “no one was good but God”.... What would he have thought of Paul’s handiwork! Paul’s triumph meant the final obliteration of the historic Jesus; he comes to us embalmed in Christianity like a fly in amber. Joel Carmichael (1962) The Death of Jesus. New York: The Macmillan Company P. 270

“Which religion honours Jesus Christ as a prophet but a man? Which religion adheres to strict monotheism, Gods laws, and the concept of direct accountability to God? Which religion denies intermediaries between man and God?” Laurence B. Brown, Where is the Christ in Christianity?

“And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad (the praised one)." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!" (The Holy Quran, 61:6)”


PROPHET MUHAMMED (PBUH) Prophesised in previous scriptures

““The Holy Quran, will abide forever, and will remain intact, without any changes or interpolations. It is a proven fact that the Holy Qur’aan remains as pure as it was revealed 1,400 years ago. The Holy Quran, 15:9: "We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)."”

““The first revelation of the Holy Quran is in 96:1. It was revealed through the angel Gabriel to Muhammed (pbuh) was the word “Iqra” in Arabic, which means: “Read” or “Proclaim”. As he was unlearned (could not read nor write) he replied: “I cannot read.” This first revelation was prophesied in Isaiah 29:12:“And the book isdelivered to him that is not learned, saying, “Read this, I pray thee” and he saith, “I am not learned.” Exactly as stated in Isaiah 29:12! The order of the revelations is not in the order it is seen in the Holy Quran. In other words the first part revealed is not in the first page and the last part revealed is not in the last page. That these revelations came piecemeal bit by bit, here a little and there a little and inserted in certain order in the Holy Quran as ordained by Allah, is also mentioned in Isaiah 28:10-11: “For precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to his people.””

““Deuteronomy 18:18: “... and will put My words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.” This corresponds with the Holy Quran, 53:2-4: “Your companion (Muhammad) is neither astray nor being misled. Nor does he speak of (his own) desire. It is only the inspiration that is inspired.””

Muhammad is mentioned by name in the Songs of Solomon 5:16. The Hebrew word used there is Mahammuddim. The end letters IM is a plural of respect, Majesty and grandeur. Minus "im" the name would be Mahamudd transtaled as "altogether lovely" in the Authorised version of the bible or "The praised One" - 'the one worthe of praise ie. Muhummed
"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehrace Bayna Jerusalem." (5:16)

"His mouth is most sweet: ye, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughter of Jerusalem."

““Muslims all over the world use one language only, which is Arabic, in calling upon their God in their worship, prayers, during pilgrimage and in their greetings to each other. This unity of language had been prophesied inZephaniah 3:9 :“For then will I turn to the people a pure language that they may allcall upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent.”The above prophecy about the ONENESS OF LANGUAGE is verynoteworthy! Only Islam has this uniqueness about using one language in calling upon Allah, the Rabb of the Alamien. The name ofGod is Allah, which is a pure word, which cannot be corrupted - every person, be it a German, Bosnian, Chinese, Indian, American, Turk or of any nation, who is a Muslim, calls upon Allah only in Arabic.””

““The shift of Prophethood to another nation was foretold in Jeremiah 31:36: “If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.” And also foretold by Jesus (pbuh) in Matt 21:43: “Therefore say I unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.” And without doubt that nation is the Arabs, as it is stated in Isaiah - 21-13-“The Burden Upon Arabia”. This corresponds to the following verse of the Holy Quran in which Allah informs the prophet of avery heavy responsibility to discharge!“Soon shall We send down to you a weighty Message”. (The Holy Quran, 73:5)””

““The Holy Ka’bah was built by Abraham and his son Ishmael (pbut) in Makkah, and is mentioned in the Holy Qur’aan, 48:24. Another name for Makkah is Bakka, depending on the dialect of the tribe. The name “Bakka” is also mentioned in the Holy Quran in 3:96: “Verily, the first House (of worship) appointed for mankind was that in Bakka (Makkah), full of blessing and guidance for all people.” Marvelously, this word “Bakka” is preserved in the Bible and it was mentioned by Prophet David in his Psalm 84:6: “Who passing through the valley of Bakka made it a well, the rain also filleth the pools.” The water well mentioned here is the well-known well of “Zamzam,” which is still present close to the Kaaba in Makkah and still flows today with abundant water as it did for thousands of years. Ask any Muslim who goes to Makkah for pilgrimage.””

“The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come, they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the Lord.” “All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of My glory.” The tribes of Kedar in Arabia who weredivided became united. “The house of My glory” referred to hereis the House of Allah in Makkah, and not the Church of Christ orthe Vatican as thought by Christian commentators. Kedar is the second son of Ishmael (Genesis 25:13) from whom ultimately Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) arose. Note: It mentions “HOUSE” in the singular. There is only one house that Muslims are duty-bound to visit at least once in a lifetime, and that is the house that Prophet Abraham built with his first born son Ismail in Makkah, i.e. “Kaaba”. On the other hand the Christians have no such injunction in theBible, that it is compulsory to visit the Vatican or any other Church.There was no Vatican and no churches in existence at the time ofJesus (pbuh). Jesus never prayed in a church as they did not exist in his time. The House of Allah, the Kaaba already existed during thetime of Prophets Musa (Moses), Dawud (David), Esa (Jesus) andMuhammed, as Prophet Abraham and his son, Ishmael (pbut) hadrebuilt it. It is a reality that Saudi Arabia is made up of the villagesof Kedar, and is the only country in the world, which remainsimpregnable to any influence of the Church.“Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not beshut day or night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.” This is very significant: The mosque surrounding the Holy Kaaba in Makkah has remained open day and night 24/7/365 dayssince it was cleansed of idols by Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) more than 1,400 years ago. There is no place of worship in the whole world that remains open 24/7/365 except the Grand Mosque in Makkah.”

“The vision of Isaiah of the two riders in Isaiah 21:7: “And he saw a chariot with a couple of horsemen, a chariot of asses, and a chariot of camels”. Who was the rider upon an ass? One will know that is was Jesus (pbuh) (John 12:14) - “And Jesus,when he had found a young ass, sat thereon as it is written.” Who then is the promised rider on a camel? The Church is silent on this, for the reason that it can only be Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).Camels were the chief means of transport during the time of theProphet, and even today camels are associated with Arabia.
“Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice,the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of therock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.” From Mount Arafat near Makkah, the Pilgrims chant every year thefollowing: “Here I am (for Your service) O’ Allah. Here I am. Youhave no partner. Here I am. Verily Yours is the praise, theblessings and sovereignty. There is no God besides You.” Isaiah 42 can never be applied to an Israelite Prophet, as Kedar is thesecond son of Ishmael. (See Genesis 25:13)”

““Isaiah, chap 60:1- 22- It speaks about Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) “Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth,and gross darkness the people, but the Lord shall arise upon theeand His glory shall be seen upon thee”. Compare with the Holy Quran 74:1-3: “O! Thou wrapped up in garments! Arise and warn! And your Lord magnify! The advent of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) was at a time ofspiritual darkness when the world forgot the Oneness of God astaught by Prophets Abraham, Moses and Jesus (pbut) and all theprevious prophets.””

Genesis 49:1: “And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, ‘Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.” This corresponds with the Holy Quran 2:133: “Were you witnesses when death came to Jacob? When he said to his sons, “What will you worship after me?” They said, “We shall worship thy God (Allah), the God of thy fathers, Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac; One God, and to Him we have surrendered (in Islam).”

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JBrickmann
02-12-2010, 05:42 PM
Messiah according to Islam is Hz. Isa (Jesus). But the one who Jews are waiting for is Hz. Mahdi. Hz. Mahdi and Hz. Isa (Jesus) will move together to make Islam prevail all over the world.

I want to share with you some ayahs about Hz. Isa returns:

When God said: "Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me, and purify you of those who are unbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection. Then you will all return to Me, and I will judge between you regarding the things about which you differed. (Surah Al 'Imran, 3:55)

Those who say that the Messiah, son of Mary, is the third of three are unbelievers. There is no god but the One God. (Surat al-Ma'ida, 5:73)

There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies; and on the Day of Resurrection he [Jesus] will be a witness against them. (Surat An-Nisa', 4:159)

And [on account of] their saying: "We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Messenger of God." They did not kill him and they did not crucify him, but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him. (Surat An-Nisa', 4:157)

God raised him [Jesus] up to Himself. God is Almighty, All-Wise. (Surat An-Nisa', 4:158)

There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies; and on the Day of Resurrection he [Jesus] will be a witness against them. (Surat An-Nisa', 4:159)

When an example is made of the son of Mary [Jesus], your people laugh uproariously. They retort: "Who is better then, our gods or him?" They only say this to you for argument's sake. They are indeed a disputatious people. He is only a servant on whom We bestowed Our blessing and whom We made an example for the tribe of Israel. If We willed, We could appoint angels in exchange for you to succeed you on Earth. (Surat Az-Zukhruf, 43:57-60)

He [Jesus] is a Sign of the Hour. Have no doubt about it. But follow me. This is a straight path. (Surat Az-Zukhruf, 43:61)

He [Jesus] is only a servant on whom We bestowed Our blessing and whom We made an example for the tribe of Israel. (Surat Az-Zukhruf, 43:59)

When the angels said: "Mary, your Lord gives you good news of a Word from Him. His name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, of high esteem in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near [to God]. He will speak to people in the cradle, and also when fully grown, and will be one of the righteous." She asked: "My Lord! How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me?" He said: "It will be so. God creates whatever He wills. When He decides on something, He just says to it: 'Be!' and it is. He will teach him the Book and Wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel." (Surah Al 'Imran, 3:45-48)

God, there is no god but Him, the Living, the Self-Sustaining. He has sent down the Book to you with truth, confirming what was there before it. And He sent down the Torah and the Gospel previously. (Surah Al 'Imran, 3:2-4)

[Jesus said,] "Peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I am raised up again alive." (Surah Maryam, 19:33)

Remember when God said: "Jesus, son of Mary, remember My blessing to you and to your mother when I reinforced you with the Purest Spirit so that you could speak to people in the cradle and when you were fully grown [kahlaan]…" (Surat al-Ma'ida, 5:110)

He will speak to people in the cradle, and also when fully grown [kahlaan], and will be one of the righteous. (Surah Al 'Imran, 3:46)

Kahlaan, which is used only in these two verses, only in reference to Jesus, and to express Jesus' adulthood means "someone between the age of 30 and 50, someone who is no longer young, someone who has reached the perfect age." Islamic scholars agree that it denotes the age of 35 or above. They base their views on a hadith reported by Ibn 'Abbas that Jesus was raised up to God's presence in his early 30s, and that he will live for 40 years when he comes again. Therefore, they suggest that this verse is evidence for Jesus' return, since his old age will occur following his second coming. (Only God knows for certain.)

And you can also access all information about Hz. Mahdi from here: http://www.awaitedmahdi.com/
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FollowerOfChrist
02-17-2010, 11:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Boaz
What is the Muslim view of the Messiah? I'm really here to learn from and interact with Muslims more than anything. How will we know if the messiah will be real or a fraud?

In Judaism, it is said that he will be a man descended from the line of King David and there is a string of events that are to happen before hand. We, like the Christians and Muslim, also believe that there will be a false Messiah first before the real one.
Jews believe there's a false messiah? I never knew that Are you talking about Jesus?
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Muslim Woman
02-20-2010, 03:03 AM
Salaam/Peace

format_quote Originally Posted by Boaz
there will be a false Messiah first before the real one.

according to hadith ( saying of Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him ) , before the end time , Dajjal ( anti Christ ) will come and order people to worship him. Those who will do that will go to hell . He will start killing those who refuse to worship him.

Then Imam Mehedi ra will come to kill Dajjal but he won't be able to kill him . Then Prophet Isa / Jesus pbuh will come and kill Dajjal.

Thanks for your interest about Islam. Here is a realed link.


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Title: Will Jesus Come Back?

Date 29/Jul/2004

Question Do Muslims believe that Jesus will come back? Do they believe, like the Christians that someone will come first acting like Jesus? If so, how are we going to recognize the true Jesus?


Second Coming of Jesus
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Darth Ultor
02-20-2010, 03:11 AM
It's never stated. Orthodox Jews don't believe Jesus was a prophet. I never really studied it. To be honest, I'm really just culturally Jewish. Religiously, I'm my own man. I believe in God and that He lets you live your own life freely, then judges you based on your actions in life when you die.
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Nokiacrazi
02-23-2010, 12:37 AM
I agree with a few of the posts above.

To clarify, in Islam we believe that all true prophets of God are Muslim. By definition Muslim means one who submits his will to God.

We believe that Isa (as) or Jesus (pbuh) was sent to guide the Children of Israel. He had a miraculous birth to Mariam (ra) or Mary (may Allah be pleased with her), and by the permission of God performed many miracles. He preached the oneness of God and to worship him alone with no partners. He was about to be killed but was saved by God, and raised up to heaven.

We believe that after a certain period of time he will return to the earth and kill the Anti-Christ. Peace will be restored, and he will testify to the Christians that he never claimed divinity but said 'Worship Allah, whos my lord and your lord.

Allah knows best, may he guide us all, Muslim and non Muslim, and I ask his forgiveness for any sin or mistake.
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