Huge Ralley marks Iran Revolution

[The_Prince]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100211/ap_on_bi_ge/ml_iran

ah, how so sad for the opposition, and western propagandists, who really thought they were on the verge of victory, lol. just 2 months ago the times was reporting how the end was near and how the people (aka opposition) felt the government was on the verge of collapse.

perhaps the baboons within the opposition will face the reality rather than buying into the propaganda, infact you have to feel abit sorry for the opposition, would they have really decided to protest today and get humiliated as they did if the western media and other sources werent brainwashing them with so much propaganda that they were supposedly gaining all the momentum?

:D i for one am very happy, and looking forward to more humiliations and defeats for these crooks and criminals who go onto the streets rampaging, burning cars, buses, attacking buildings, causing fires, damages, and attacking the police, trying to intimidate people to cave into their political demands.

all you have to do is watch the very videos the opposition posts, and you will see their a bunch of hoodlums. now they are bunch of hoodlums who were crushed on revolution day, viva la revolutionnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

[Rabi Mansur]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100211/ap_on_bi_ge/ml_iran

ah, how so sad for the opposition, and western propagandists, who really thought they were on the verge of victory, lol. just 2 months ago the times was reporting how the end was near and how the people (aka opposition) felt the government was on the verge of collapse.

perhaps the baboons within the opposition will face the reality rather than buying into the propaganda, infact you have to feel abit sorry for the opposition, would they have really decided to protest today and get humiliated as they did if the western media and other sources werent brainwashing them with so much propaganda that they were supposedly gaining all the momentum?

:D i for one am very happy, and looking forward to more humiliations and defeats for these crooks and criminals who go onto the streets rampaging, burning cars, buses, attacking buildings, causing fires, damages, and attacking the police, trying to intimidate people to cave into their political demands.

all you have to do is watch the very videos the opposition posts, and you will see their a bunch of hoodlums. now they are bunch of hoodlums who were crushed on revolution day, viva la revolutionnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

Wow I didn't realize there were actually people still around supporting repressive governments. Iran acts just like a Soviet police state. How sad for the people of Iran who just want to be heard and have their votes counted. Islamic REPUBLIC? hahaha. More like a Socialist police state. Iran is giving Islam a very bad name. Their power hungry nutjob leaders blew the revolution.

:wa:

[CosmicPathos]

Wow I didn't realize there were actually people still around supporting repressive governments. Iran acts just like a Soviet police state. How sad for the people of Iran who just want to be heard and have their votes counted. Islamic REPUBLIC? hahaha. More like a Socialist police state. Iran is giving Islam a very bad name. Their power hungry nutjob leaders blew the revolution.

:wa:

So you want secularists to come to power? Is it surprising that all non-religious Persians (atheists) in Canada are in opposition?

[CosmicPathos]

Wow I didn't realize there were actually people still around supporting repressive governments. Iran acts just like a Soviet police state. How sad for the people of Iran who just want to be heard and have their votes counted. Islamic REPUBLIC? hahaha. More like a Socialist police state. Iran is giving Islam a very bad name. Their power hungry nutjob leaders blew the revolution.

:wa:

So you want secularists to come to power? Is it surprising that all non-religious Persians (atheists included) in Canada are in opposition?

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[Rabi Mansur]

So you want secularists to come to power? Is it surprising that all non-religious Persians (atheists) in Canada are in opposition?
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If they would have just counted the votes rather than steal the election in order to remain in power this would have been avoided. Now, the world knows their true colors.

:wa:

[CosmicPathos]

If they would have just counted the votes rather than steal the election in order to remain in power this would have been avoided. Now, the world knows their true colors.

:wa:

You have not answered my question. And if that is true, why are the majority of Iranians still pro-Ahmedinijad as seen on this anniversary?

All the persian academics on Islam, history etc that I do know are of course in the opposition though. But that is because academics have the tendency to be liberal minded.

[Rabi Mansur]

You have not answered my question. And if that is true, why are the majority of Iranians still pro-Ahmedinijad as seen on this anniversary?

All the persian academics on Islam, history etc that I do know are of course in the opposition though. But that is because academics have the tendency to be liberal minded.

We don't really know for sure if a majority support Ahmedinijad do we? Because they didn't count the votes. And then they shut down any inquiry into vote fraud. It was a sham election. The legitimacy of the Ahmedinijad regime is in serious doubt. He has no credibility. Very sad.

:wa:

[CosmicPathos]

We don't really know for sure if a majority support Ahmedinijad do we? Because they didn't count the votes. And then they shut down any inquiry into vote fraud. It was a sham election. The legitimacy of the Ahmedinijad regime is in serious doubt. He has no credibility. Very sad.

:wa:

Credibility based on votes? I do not believe voting is the right thing, I am anti-democracy. So your argument does not mean much to me and many like me. Point out other things.

[Rabi Mansur]

Credibility based on votes? I do not believe voting is the right thing, I am anti-democracy. So your argument does not mean much to me and many like me. Point out other things.

Well I guess if you don't believe in democracy, then there is not much to discuss. In your view, I take it that it wouldn't matter that the votes were ignored and the election was a sham. There is nothing for me to add if that is your perspective. Why even hold an election if it doesn't matter?

And I don't think Mousavi was a secularist.

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[CosmicPathos]

Well I guess if you don't believe in democracy, then there is not much to discuss. In your view, I take it that it wouldn't matter that the votes were ignored and the election was a sham. There is nothing for me to add if that is your perspective. Why even hold an election if it doesn't matter?

And I don't think Mousavi was a secularist.

:wa:

But his supporters are. Believing that democracy is the right thing is kufr. I hope you have researched this topic. Unless of course if you are a "moderate" Muslim then do ignore what I said.

[Lynx]

Iran is a good example of what happens when you introduce a really strict Islamic (Shia specifically) government and force a significant population of secular people to follow said government. Especially one as bad as Iran. The stuff that went on during their revolution was just plain awful.

[north_malaysian]

So you want secularists to come to power? Is it surprising that all non-religious Persians (atheists) in Canada are in opposition?

there are many Iranians here in Malaysia and i think majority of them are supporting Mousavi. I prefer Mousavi as he promised to build a mosque for Sunnis in Tehran. I wont support Ahmadinejad who prefer our Sunni brethren to pray in embassies every Friday. Just give them a mosque.

[Trumble]

And I don't think Mousavi was a secularist.

He isn't. The Iranian opposition is no less 'Islamic' than the Ahmedinijad regime.

[The_Prince]

We don't really know for sure if a majority support Ahmedinijad do we? Because they didn't count the votes. And then they shut down any inquiry into vote fraud. It was a sham election. The legitimacy of the Ahmedinijad regime is in serious doubt. He has no credibility. Very sad.

:wa:

it wasnt a sham election, but with all pleasure, you hoodlums can keep going onto the streets, i will be more than happy watching you thugs getting humiliated. :D

[The_Prince]

Iran is a good example of what happens when you introduce a really strict Islamic (Shia specifically) government and force a significant population of secular people to follow said government. Especially one as bad as Iran. The stuff that went on during their revolution was just plain awful.

ah yes, so we should install a secular system over people who dont want a secular system, just because the secularists want to install it by force? yes, we have seen the fruits of your secularism in europe where you are now trying to ban everything to do with Islam, banning burqas, minarets, etc etc. so take your secularism and shove it, your not content by banning Islamic culture in your own countries, now you want to force it in Muslim countries like you did in Turkey. keep dreaming.

as for the stuff that went on during the revolution, you mean the PEOPLES revolution? the one where the people stood up and overthrew the secular dictatorship of the shah, which you western imperials installed?

[Skavau]

Credibility based on votes? I do not believe voting is the right thing, I am anti-democracy. So your argument does not mean much to me and many like me. Point out other things.

So uh, how do you think states ought to be run where there is dissent? Might equals right? You also don't appear to be disputing the possibility of a corrupt and sham election on behalf of the powerbase - so does that mean you have no problem with it?

And, well, I'm a Secularist and I would be chuffed if it came to that.

[Darth Ultor]

I'd rather have secular rule than a so-called Muslim government. Know why? Those with power, use that power, Sharia or not. I'd rather be oppressed in the name of a political system rather than in the name of God.

[Supreme]

You have to admire the stupidity of Iran. It's like someone in government said: 'Hey, let's make the West our enemies and then try and get half the country against us, so we can blame it on America, the BBC and the Shah! Yes, that's how we'll run our country!'

It's interesting, I read the other day that the man dividing line in Iran is not conservative or moderate or male or female or Sunni or Shia- it's young and old, with the young generation tending to have a far bigger preference for the opposition.

[Rabi Mansur]

You have to admire the stupidity of Iran. It's like someone in government said: 'Hey, let's make the West our enemies and then try and get half the country against us, so we can blame it on America, the BBC and the Shah! Yes, that's how we'll run our country!'

It's interesting, I read the other day that the man dividing line in Iran is not conservative or moderate or male or female or Sunni or Shia- it's young and old, with the young generation tending to have a far bigger preference for the opposition.

You got that right. They totally blew the revolution. They are no different than a repressive socialist police state now. They remind me of the Nazis.

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[Lynx]

ah yes, so we should install a secular system over people who dont want a secular system, just because the secularists want to install it by force? yes, we have seen the fruits of your secularism in europe where you are now trying to ban everything to do with Islam, banning burqas, minarets, etc etc. so take your secularism and shove it, your not content by banning Islamic culture in your own countries, now you want to force it in Muslim countries like you did in Turkey. keep dreaming.

as for the stuff that went on during the revolution, you mean the PEOPLES revolution? the one where the people stood up and overthrew the secular dictatorship of the shah, which you western imperials installed?

No I didn't say a secular system should be implemented. I am just saying when you force a significant population that is secular to follow a hardline Islamic government you're going to get a country that is incredibly unstable.

And the stuff during the revolution that I am talking about is all the murder, rape and torture.

Basically, forcing a country to like completely change their lifestyle over night Which is what happened to the secular population in Iran will result in a seriously screwed up society.

[Skavau]

it wasnt a sham election, but with all pleasure, you hoodlums can keep going onto the streets, i will be more than happy watching you thugs getting humiliated. :D

Can you qualify this please? You support the violent quelling of protests by a government?

[The_Prince]

Can you qualify this please? You support the violent quelling of protests by a government?

oh yes i do, infact they have been too soft for my liking, these hoodlums have been rampaging across the streets for far too long, attacking buildings, cars, buses, people couldnt even go out of their homes because of these people, so what would you want to be done with them, hand them roses and cookies????

you have no problems in the opposition using violence to try to get what they want. people like you are trying to paint the opposition movement as this rosy nice innocent group, when we know thats not the case, they are a bunch of savages calling for death on the streets while they causing their mayhem.

[Skavau]

oh yes i do, infact they have been too soft for my liking, these hoodlums have been rampaging across the streets for far too long, attacking buildings, cars, buses, people couldnt even go out of their homes because of these people, so what would you want to be done with them, hand them roses and cookies????

you have no problems in the opposition using violence to try to get what they want. people like you are trying to paint the opposition movement as this rosy nice innocent group, when we know thats not the case, they are a bunch of savages calling for death on the streets while they causing their mayhem.

So if you believed the protesters were responding with dignity and peaceful protests, would you have an issue with their objectives and motives?

Also I should like to inquire how you would suggest a group of people who believe they are ruled by a corrupt government that infringes on personal liberty, free speech and creates sham elections should react? Nevermind what you think the Iranian government is guilty of or not, it is clear that at least many in the anti-government movement believe that the current government and the clerics that control it are not fit to run and deserving of removal. What do you propose they do in the face of presumed repression? What would you do if your current nation decided that Islam was unconstitutional and all Muslims must register to deconvert to a specific mandated religion. Would you accept it?

[The_Prince]

So if you believed the protesters were responding with dignity and peaceful protests, would you have an issue with their objectives and motives?

Also I should like to inquire how you would suggest a group of people who believe they are ruled by a corrupt government that infringes on personal liberty, free speech and creates sham elections should react? Nevermind what you think the Iranian government is guilty of or not, it is clear that at least many in the anti-government movement believe that the current government and the clerics that control it are not fit to run and deserving of removal. What do you propose they do in the face of presumed repression? What would you do if your current nation decided that Islam was unconstitutional and all Muslims must register to deconvert to a specific mandated religion. Would you accept it?

if they protested peacefully in a proper manner, i dont have a problem with that, but when they go around smashing everything up, chanting death threats etc, then i have a problem with that.

as for them believing the government is corrupt, thats their problem isnt it? because not everyone believes that, they claim the election was stolen, the election wasnt stolen, they just cant stand the fact they lost, so they went on a rampage.

many in america believe the government is corrupt, and not fit to run the country, so i guess they now have a right to go on a violent rampage?

you see its all double standards, lol, deep down you believe these green movement people do have a right to violence just because they feel the government is corrupt and not fit, but you would never apply the same standard to people who think the same of american governments, or british governments. heck have you seen the polls in america?????????

[Skavau]

if they protested peacefully in a proper manner, i dont have a problem with that, but when they go around smashing everything up, chanting death threats etc, then i have a problem with that.

Okay

as for them believing the government is corrupt, thats their problem isnt it? because not everyone believes that, they claim the election was stolen, the election wasnt stolen, they just cant stand the fact they lost, so they went on a rampage.

How do you know that they do not sincerely believe that the election was a fraud? Judging by the sizable amount of people that turn up and cause this bother, it has to be more than sour grapes.

you see its all double standards, lol, deep down you believe these green movement people do have a right to violence just because they feel the government is corrupt and not fit, but you would never apply the same standard to people who think the same of american governments, or british governments. heck have you seen the polls in america?????????

That would depend, sir. We have political corruption in the UK and the USA has corruption likewise. But there is no anti-free speech legislation, there is no rule regarding protests that they are forbidden. You can through the law, if you have enough support over time - make an impact.

If however, the UK or USA became a fascist state - then ultimately, they bring these things upon themselves. I would not, as an example decry the possibility of the citizens of North Korea, if they felt brave or disgruntled enough to uprise and otherthrow the 'dear leader'. Same with Zimbabwe and many other states.

[جوري]

really there is free speech when there is justification of dropping bombs on villages hoping to seek one man for an alleged contact with Major Hasan (the fort crap bomber)?

you really need to give up this phony charade, I don't know how much longer you can keep it up!

[Maryan0]

If leaders like Ahmadenijad and Mugabe were not so outspokenly opposed to the west would westerners even care about whether they stole the elections or not? I don't think so. Many pro-western leaders steal elections everyday in Africa and Asia and I never hear any outcry from the west about it. I hate this false concern that certain people show when it's convenient.
salam

[Rabi Mansur]

If leaders like Ahmadenijad and Mugabe were not so outspokenly opposed to the west would westerners even care about whether they stole the elections or not? I don't think so. Many pro-western leaders steal elections everyday in Africa and Asia and I never hear any outcry from the west about it. I hate this false concern that certain people show when it's convenient.
salam

Very good point. But it still doesn't make it right.

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[Asiyah3]

If leaders like Ahmadenijad and Mugabe were not so outspokenly opposed to the west would westerners even care about whether they stole the elections or not? I don't think so. Many pro-western leaders steal elections everyday in Africa and Asia and I never hear any outcry from the west about it. I hate this false concern that certain people show when it's convenient.
salam

:wa:
Excellent point!

[Asiyah3]

Very good point. But it still doesn't make it right.

:wa:

Likewise applies to Africa and Asia. Don't you agree?

[Rabi Mansur]

Likewise applies to Africa and Asia. Don't you agree?

Sham elections should be opposed and pointed out wherever they occur.

:wa:

[Skavau]

If leaders like Ahmadenijad and Mugabe were not so outspokenly opposed to the west would westerners even care about whether they stole the elections or not? I don't think so. Many pro-western leaders steal elections everyday in Africa and Asia and I never hear any outcry from the west about it. I hate this false concern that certain people show when it's convenient.
salam

You're quite right. The hypocrisy is disgraceful. The biggest example of this is the fact that the west is friendly with Saudi Arabia. That theocratic control state is and remains in complete opposition to anyone who values human rights, and yet our leaders pay great homage to them.

[جوري]

You're quite right. The hypocrisy is disgraceful. The biggest example of this is the fact that the west is friendly with Saudi Arabia. That theocratic control state is and remains in complete opposition to anyone who values human rights, and yet our leaders pay great homage to them.

human rights are always better served by means of atheism or western bull****..
structure and decency are a faux pas of course.. however, 20 or 15 million dead in one shot is admirable.. western style voyeurism and scatology a la mode of abu gharib and gitmo again very admirable, carpet bombing and incest well what better crystallizes western liberal democracy if not for frank degeneracy? ..

say here is an idea, why don't you scurry along to folks who share your values? Your views really are unwelcome here!

all the best

[Supreme]

You're quite right. The hypocrisy is disgraceful. The biggest example of this is the fact that the west is friendly with Saudi Arabia. That theocratic control state is and remains in complete opposition to anyone who values human rights, and yet our leaders pay great homage to them.

I agree, and that's why Western leaders have double standards. They pursue their own agenda, for example, in Saudi Arabia, and China, without sparing a second thought to the atrocious human rights records those countries have.

[RunWildKangaroo]

Human rights is a double-edged sword. There are only two ways - all people observes human rights or nobody observes them, tertium non datur. But if we speaks about islamic states - just look closely, there are some type of human rights, more effectively and fair than liberal. For example - one man kill somebody, he goes to the prison, escape from it and kill somebody again and what do western liberal system...It's just put him into prison again in spite of his congenital inclination to murdering... And there are thousand of same examples.
About an aggressive revolutionists - well look at Russian 1917 and you understand what result it may be...cause this systems are same at much aspects.