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Amadeus85
02-12-2010, 12:16 AM
We have 12th February today. In my country, since Christmas we have non stop days and nights with snow falls and at least -10 C degrees temperature. As far as I know same goes to western european countries and also large parts of USA.

I mean, seriously, the ecologists should stop fighting with the Global Warming anymore. It's enough, really. My car won't survive it more. It barely lives. Bring back Global Warming at least for one week. I'm sick of getting up early and going to feed my dogs in freaking cold outside. My 2 small cats died because of that freeze.

Ecologists, we thank you, you did awesome job in fighting with nature and universe, but It's time to make a break now I guess. Stop your glorious efforts for week or two, we human beings need rest. I know that you care about animals more than about people, so think about my dogs, they are freaking mad with the end of Global Warming nowadays. And I'm not gonna let them inside my house.
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Froggy
02-12-2010, 12:25 AM
I love it! Global snowing. Ah, the memories it brings.
We didn't have any snow on Christmas though.
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ardianto
02-13-2010, 04:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85
I mean, seriously, the ecologists should stop fighting with the Global Warming anymore.
Are you kidding ?. My country is warmer than few years ago and that makes me sick.
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Alpha Dude
02-13-2010, 04:43 PM
The Global Nonsense
I thought this thread was about the internet. :hmm:
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S<Chowdhury
02-13-2010, 05:13 PM
How Global Warming Threatens Millions in Bangladesh
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Asiyah3
02-13-2010, 05:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85
My 2 small cats died because of that freeze.
I'm very sorry to hear that.

Ecologists, we thank you, you did awesome job in fighting with nature and universe, but It's time to make a break now I guess. Stop your glorious efforts for week or two, we human beings need rest. I know that you care about animals more than about people, so think about my dogs, they are freaking mad with the end of Global Warming nowadays. And I'm not gonna let them inside my house.
I hope things will get easier for you and others, insha'lLah
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Froggy
02-13-2010, 05:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85
My 2 small cats died because of that freeze.
Oh dear, I just noticed this. Did you keep them outside?
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Amadeus85
02-13-2010, 07:03 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Froggy
Oh dear, I just noticed this. Did you keep them outside?
Of course, they were polish cats though! Not only they stayed outside, but also they needed to hunt for food.
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Amadeus85
02-13-2010, 07:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Alpha Dude
I thought this thread was about the internet. :hmm:
Very close :D.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-13-2010, 07:56 PM
We just had a storm here in NY :/ So im hearing more this monday?? I hope not :s
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UmmSqueakster
02-13-2010, 07:57 PM
Cold winter doesn't mean global warming is over

All of the snow and chilly temps this winter almost convinced us that global warming isn't happening, after all. Reality check: recent climate data shows that it's still hotter than it used to be.

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So how to explain the relatively colder winters we've had in the latter half of this decade? Goddard attributes them to La Niña, a cyclical pattern of cold sea-surface temperatures in the Pacific Ocean. La Niña in the first half of 2008, followed by a neutral period in the latter half, likely had something to do with it, Heim says, but adds that global warming is about long-term, rising temperature trends over time. "It's kind of like a drunk driver," Heim says. "The car is weaving back and forth, but it's still progressing forward."
Washington's snowstorms, brought to you by global warming

Instead, the weird and disruptive weather patterns around the world are pretty much exactly what you'd expect as the planet warms. Here's how it works:

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But rising temperature is only one effect of climate change. Probably more crucially, warmer air holds more water vapor than cold air does. The increased evaporation from land and sea leads to more drought but also to more precipitation, since what goes up eventually comes down. The numbers aren't trivial -- global warming has added 4 percent more moisture to the atmosphere since 1970. That means that the number of "extreme events" such as downpours and floods has grown steadily; the most intense storms have increased by 20 percent across the United States in the past century.

So here's the thing: Despite global warming, it still gets cold enough to snow in the middle of winter. It even gets cold enough to snow in Texas and Georgia, as it did late last week. And the chances of what are technically called "big honking dumps" have increased. As Jeff Masters, the widely read weather blogger, pointed out last week, a record snowstorm requires a record amount of moisture in the air. "It is quite possible that the dice have been loaded in favor of more intense Nor'easters for the U.S. Mid-Atlantic and Northeast, thanks to the higher levels of moisture present in the air due to warmer global temperatures," he wrote.
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Supreme
02-13-2010, 10:46 PM
Climate and weather are different. Climate change is based on factual, scientific evidence from decades of the warming of Earth. The weather is simply whether or not it's snowing or sunny, and changes day to day and is incredibly flexible.
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aadil77
02-13-2010, 11:25 PM
The way I think of it is, that near the day of judgement the climate will be in pretty bad shape anyway so why bother?

Lol I know its a bad attitude but it is gonna happen, a fire will spread from the oil wells of kuwait and something else about black smoke, not exactly sure but it will be part of all these natural disasters
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Froggy
02-14-2010, 12:29 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85
Of course, they were polish cats though! Not only they stayed outside, but also they needed to hunt for food.
I heard lot of people died in Poland as well.
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Amadeus85
02-14-2010, 12:40 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Froggy
I heard lot of people died in Poland as well.

Few dozens homeless because of freeze.
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Beardo
02-14-2010, 12:43 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by S<Chowdhury
:cry: My home country.

I heard Bangladesh will be underwater by 2050 or something. Allahu Alam.
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Skavau
02-14-2010, 04:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
The way I think of it is, that near the day of judgement the climate will be in pretty bad shape anyway so why bother?

Lol I know its a bad attitude but it is gonna happen, a fire will spread from the oil wells of kuwait and something else about black smoke, not exactly sure but it will be part of all these natural disasters
I have to drop my two cents here. I don't mean to derail the thread and moderators are free to move/delete it if they deem so, but the part in bold is an attitude (and as you rightly said, a bad one) that causes some people to believe that faith is dangerous to humanity. If you seriously believe that the end of the world is imminent, or an eventuality - then you can conclude that efforts to enhance the life you currently operate in are fruitless, or meaningless - and if millions of people hold true to that then it becomes a burden on everyone else.

Christian Fundamentalists homegrown from the evangelical movement hold the same idea - that even if global warming is true, is happening and can be dealt with - it doesn't matter as the apocalypse is soon to happen. It is the unstated or overlooked problems with faith.
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Italianguy
02-14-2010, 04:43 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau
I have to drop my two cents here. I don't mean to derail the thread and moderators are free to move/delete it if they deem so, but the part in bold is an attitude (and as you rightly said, a bad one) that causes some people to believe that faith is dangerous to humanity. If you seriously believe that the end of the world is imminent, or an eventuality - then you can conclude that efforts to enhance the life you current operate in are fruitless, or meaningless - and if millions of people hold true to that then it becomes a burden on everyone else.

Christian Fundamentalists homegrown from the evangelical movement hold the same idea - that even if global warming is true, is happening and can be dealt with - it doesn't matter as the apocalypse is soon to happen. It is the unstated or overlooked problems with faith.

Why would it be fruitless? We (believers) all wan't the same thing, to glorify God (Allah) and pray that through our good deeds here on earth and a strong belief in our faith, that we will be rewarded after the end of time on earth. Why is that hard to understand? If we live fruitless and as unbeleivers, than we are surely guaranteeing our place in hell.
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Skavau
02-14-2010, 04:49 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Italianguy
Why would it be fruitless? We (believers) all wan't the same thing, to glorify God (Allah) and pray that through our good deeds here on earth and a strong belief in our faith, that we will be rewarded after the end of time on earth. Why is that hard to understand? If we live fruitless and as unbeleivers, than we are surely guaranteeing our place in hell.
I don't speak for you. I am referring to those who contend that the planet is not worth bothering about because the apocalypse, or rapture is just around the corner. They do a great disservice to the rest of us.

I don't believe safeguarding the future is fruitless.
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Italianguy
02-14-2010, 05:00 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau
I don't speak for you. I am referring to those who contend that the planet is not worth bothering about because the apocalypse, or rapture is just around the corner. They do a great disservice to the rest of us.

I don't believe safeguarding the future is fruitless.
Every one on earth is responsable for earth....we have all destoyed it....ALLL of us. And we will pay dearly for destroying what God has built...FOR US! We are all guilty in some way, so don't blame to much on a few who say these things.

I appreciate your concern though, we should all care:D
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aadil77
02-14-2010, 10:24 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau
I don't speak for you. I am referring to those who contend that the planet is not worth bothering about because the apocalypse, or rapture is just around the corner. They do a great disservice to the rest of us.

I don't believe safeguarding the future is fruitless.
I know what you mean, I'm not gonna give up life because the day of judgement is near, but I believe that some things are out of our hands and for me this is one of them.

Keeping the skies clear of pollution and smog is one thing, but having to cut your carbon footprint on everything is just a bit extreme, sooner or later we'll be taxed on how much carbon we give out when breathing
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Trumble
02-14-2010, 10:46 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85
I mean, seriously, the ecologists should stop fighting with the Global Warming anymore. I
Complicated issue, whichever side on it you take. Some scientists have predicted that the UK, where I live, will actually become considerably colder as a consequence of global warming, as the Gulf Stream gets shunted south by changes in weather patterns.
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ardianto
02-14-2010, 02:28 PM
I am sorry to hear what happened with your cats, Amadeus. I also cat lover.

But you cannot blame ecologists who fight global warming for this colder winter.
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tango92
02-14-2010, 02:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau
I have to drop my two cents here. I don't mean to derail the thread and moderators are free to move/delete it if they deem so, but the part in bold is an attitude (and as you rightly said, a bad one) that causes some people to believe that faith is dangerous to humanity. If you seriously believe that the end of the world is imminent, or an eventuality - then you can conclude that efforts to enhance the life you currently operate in are fruitless, or meaningless - and if millions of people hold true to that then it becomes a burden on everyone else..
we arent waiting for an imminent doom. we believe that that knowledge is with Allah and we live our lives normally.

belivers are similar to non belivers in this regard. otherwise your correct, if we knew when the end of the world was or when we were going to die or expect an imminent doom then the human society would dissintegrate as people would be too busy making 'preperations' for death.

this isnt the way Allah intended us to live. but because we dont know when we'll die muslims strive to make every minute of the day fruitfull.

and youll find that belivers are often far more prepared for the future than atheists. because we know that we need to lay good seeds which will grow in the future and hence continue to get reward for us. the prophet saws encouraged us to plant trees for future generations. and teaching our kids that they may continue to do good deeds for us after our death.
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Amadeus85
02-14-2010, 04:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
I am sorry to hear what happened with your cats, Amadeus. I also cat lover.

But you cannot blame ecologists who fight global warming for this colder winter.
My post was ironic, laugh of ecologists who think that they can control and change such things like global climate and nature :D.
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CosmicPathos
02-14-2010, 04:33 PM
I take a fatalist attitude on global warming. Its not like humans were expecting to live forever on planet Earth! The planet Earth has natural cycles which repeat after thousands of years and they alone are enough to wipe most of humanity. Last ice age? Anyone? Global warming might be stimulated by men but its just one part in this life cycle of Earth.
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Skavau
02-14-2010, 10:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by tango
and youll find that belivers are often far more prepared for the future than atheists. because we know that we need to lay good seeds which will grow in the future and hence continue to get reward for us. the prophet saws encouraged us to plant trees for future generations. and teaching our kids that they may continue to do good deeds for us after our death.
This of course assumes that atheists are given or have no encouragment or moral reason to preserve the world for the future.

Carl Sagan would like to have a word.
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Supreme
02-14-2010, 11:23 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau
This of course assumes that atheists are given or have no encouragment or moral reason to preserve the world for the future.

Carl Sagan would like to have a word.
I understand fully that atheists are amongst the most vocal supporters of climate action, however I do feel that Christians, as our belief is humans are the stewards of the Earth, have a religious obligation too.
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Skavau
02-14-2010, 11:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
I understand fully that atheists are amongst the most vocal supporters of climate action, however I do feel that Christians, as our belief is humans are the stewards of the Earth, have a religious obligation too.
Sure. I do not doubt that there is a responsible widely-held Christian (and Islamic) viewpoint that as stewards, there is a responsibility to maintain and nurture the earth. I have seen this expressed by both Muslims and Christians alike.

There is however, the irresponsible and uncaring converse view widely held by Fundamentalist Christians that maintaining the earth does not matter since it does not have long left. I see this as an example of the subtle problems that faith and fundamentalism can have on the mentality of people.
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Italianguy
02-15-2010, 12:28 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau
Sure. I do not doubt that there is a responsible widely-held Christian (and Islamic) viewpoint that as stewards, there is a responsibility to maintain and nurture the earth. I have seen this expressed by both Muslims and Christians alike.

There is however, the irresponsible and uncaring converse view widely held by Fundamentalist Christians that maintaining the earth does not matter since it does not have long left. I see this as an example of the subtle problems that faith and fundamentalism can have on the mentality of people.
Do you have any proof of those reasons? I know it's your own opinion, but I don't see Christians as the ones who don't care. I see that everyone in a whole doesn't care.
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S<Chowdhury
02-15-2010, 10:17 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Rashad
:cry: My home country.

I heard Bangladesh will be underwater by 2050 or something. Allahu Alam.
Same brother, my home country imsad, 2050 i thought it was even more earlier than 2050.


"DFID will spend up to £75m on helping to tackle the impacts of climate change on Bangladesh over the next five years"
Lets hope all that money doesn't end up in the politician :raging: pockets, but i wouldn't be surprised.
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Amadeus85
02-15-2010, 02:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
I understand fully that atheists are amongst the most vocal supporters of climate action, however I do feel that Christians, as our belief is humans are the stewards of the Earth, have a religious obligation too.
For atheists and agnostics ecology is new religion, just like in past they believed in communism, socialism, anti-racism, women rights, homo-rights.
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ardianto
02-15-2010, 03:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
I understand fully that atheists are amongst the most vocal supporters of climate action, however I do feel that Christians, as our belief is humans are the stewards of the Earth, have a religious obligation too.
The believers are not vocal but they do real action for save the nature. In example : planting new trees.
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Supreme
02-15-2010, 04:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85
For atheists and agnostics ecology is new religion, just like in past they believed in communism, socialism, anti-racism, women rights, homo-rights.
You do know what a religion is, don't you? Having a certain political belief does not mean you are part of a new religion!
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Skavau
02-15-2010, 04:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85
For atheists and agnostics ecology is new religion, just like in past they believed in communism, socialism, anti-racism, women rights, homo-rights.
I still do believe in anti-racism, women's rights, homosexual rights (and so do many atheists). I am sympathetic towards Socialism but I have never believed in Communism.

I am glad though that you attribute such noble things towards atheists and agnostics though. (I thought most people were anti-racist?)
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CosmicPathos
02-15-2010, 04:50 PM
Its funny how an atheist man tries to conquer forces of nature. I applaud his constant will to overcome nature. But he miserably fails every time. There is always loss of life around the world. He takes pride in discovering vaccine, but people still die from the same virus. He takes pride in subjugating genetics but he still cannot stop genetic diseases completely. He cannot stop death. Then he takes relish by saying that "I minimized the damage, it could have been worse." He also then just adds "science is working on it" for self-delusion. As an observer, I do enjoy this atheist man fighting the nature till his death. Constantly falling down and then getting up to beat nature again with pride. The pride, however, has been destroyed by constant dominance of nature over him.
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Skavau
02-15-2010, 05:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Wa7abiScientist
Its funny how an atheist man tries to conquer forces of nature.
Eh?

I applaud his constant will to overcome nature. But he miserably fails every time. There is always loss of life around the world.
I don't think anyone of any creed claims that it is possible to eradicate death.

He takes pride in discovering vaccine, but people still die from the same virus. He takes pride in subjugating genetics but he still cannot stop genetic diseases completely. He cannot stop death. Then he takes relish by saying that "I minimized the damage, it could have been worse." He also then just adds "science is working on it" for self-delusion. As an observer, I do enjoy this atheist man fighting the nature till his death. Constantly falling down and then getting up to beat nature again with pride. The pride, however, has been destroyed by constant dominance of nature over him.
What an inhumane paragraph.

So do the millions and millions spared suffering through scientific research mean nothing to you? The simple drugs you may take when you get a headache, or a sore throat, or the flu that help millions of people daily avoid suffering mean nothing to you? Rather than be thankful for the vaccines that I expect you have received yourself personally you would rather scoff at the hand that feeds you and retort that others are still suffering, lie back and laugh?

I don't even know what you think this paragraph is supposed to represent other than some vindictive gloating. I cannot think of much more noble than to attempt to avert other people's suffering and to attempt to give people (who otherwise would not have it) - life.
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CosmicPathos
02-15-2010, 05:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau
Eh?


I don't think anyone of any creed claims that it is possible to eradicate death.


What an inhumane paragraph.

So do the millions and millions spared suffering through scientific research mean nothing to you? The simple drugs you may take when you get a headache, or a sore throat, or the flu that help millions of people daily avoid suffering mean nothing to you? Rather than be thankful for the vaccines that I expect you have received yourself personally you would rather scoff at the hand that feeds you and retort that others are still suffering, lie back and laugh?

I don't even know what you think this paragraph is supposed to represent other than some vindictive gloating. I cannot think of much more noble than to attempt to avert other people's suffering and to attempt to give people (who otherwise would not have it) - life.
I did not say saving lives is a bad thing. How is the paragraph inhumane? I am rather talking about his attitudes. If I did not want to alleviate suffering, by the will of God, I would not be in health sciences.

For every suffering that you alleviate, a new source of suffering emerges. Can you ever stop that? It certainly seems that an atheist is always boastful when he says "science is working on it." Is not that a weakness, rather than a strength if you have to work on something?

And regarding global warming, there is a whole clique of credible scientists who take Al Gore's fanaticism with skepticism.
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Skavau
02-15-2010, 05:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Wa7abiScientist
I did not say saving lives is a bad thing. How is the paragraph inhumane?
It came across as though you were laughing at the fact that we cannot eradicate suffering, or nullify disease.

I am rather talking about his attitudes. If I did not want to alleviate suffering, by the will of God, I would not be in health sciences.

For every suffering that you alleviate, a new source of suffering emerges. Can you ever stop that? It certainly seems that an atheist is always boastful when he says "science is working on it." Is not that a weakness, rather than a strength if you have to work on something?
When would an atheist say that "science is working on it" and in what context? In terms of attempts to cure things like cancer, aids, etc then it goes without saying that scientists are working on it. No-one would use 'science is working on it' as a cheap point for a secular, or anti-religious agenda because that would represent a confirmation bias and be blatantly anti-scientific.

Also, no, it is a good thing that we recognise that we need to work to get results and discover answers. I'm sorry you believe that being humble about one's place in the universe is something of a weakness. I do not.

And regarding global warming, there is a whole clique of credible scientists who take Al Gore's fanaticism with skepticism.
Is it bigger than the Discovery Institutes list of scientists (mostly mathematicans or engineers) that dispute evolution?
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Amadeus85
02-15-2010, 05:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
You do know what a religion is, don't you? Having a certain political belief does not mean you are part of a new religion!

This new radical ecology is like going back to paganism. They are ready to risk people' life in order to save trees or animals. Thats from times when people prayed to tree or a mountain.

Al Gore got Noble prize for nothing, only because he is leftist clown. Nowadays they dont even use the term - Global Warming, they use now Climate Changes.

Where is Al Gore now? He is staying in his home and clearing up the snow from his backyard cursing the cold.
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CosmicPathos
02-15-2010, 05:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau
It came across as though you were laughing at the fact that we cannot eradicate suffering, or nullify disease.


When would an atheist say that "science is working on it" and in what context? In terms of attempts to cure things like cancer, aids, etc then it goes without saying that scientists are working on it. No-one would use 'science is working on it' as a cheap point for a secular, or anti-religious agenda because that would represent a confirmation bias and be blatantly anti-scientific.

Also, no, it is a good thing that we recognise that we need to work to get results and discover answers. I'm sorry you believe that being humble about one's place in the universe is something of a weakness. I do not.


Is it bigger than the Discovery Institutes list of scientists (mostly mathematicans or engineers) that dispute evolution?
Actually, my whole point was boastfulness and not being humble. An atheist is humble from which perspective? He is actually an arrogant man for believing that God does not exist because he has not seen him so. He uses the deficient method of scientific inquiry, because it needs to be worked on, to determine that God does not exist.
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Supreme
02-15-2010, 05:41 PM
This new radical ecology is like going back to paganism. They are ready to risk people' life in order to save trees or animals. Thats from times when people prayed to tree or a mountain.
Wanting to protect the environment is not a Christian or a pagan or an atheist idea, it is a human idea, and a human obligation, I might add.
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Skavau
02-17-2010, 02:33 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Wa7abiScientist
Actually, my whole point was boastfulness and not being humble.
You connected the scientific practice of producing vaccines, researching antidotes for viruses and diseases based on humanitarian objectives of preventing suffering and saving millions of lives with atheism? Huh?

An atheist is humble from which perspective?
I think an atheist is about as humble as an individual who believes the entire universe was created for them by a being only interested in them.

He is actually an arrogant man for believing that God does not exist because he has not seen him so.
Even if that is true (which it isn't - go look up the two forms of atheism). How is that any less humble than claiming that there is a God in spite of not seeing him? How is that any less humble than claiming that the universe was created entirely for us by a being that cares about and is only in it for his vested interest in us?

He uses the deficient method of scientific inquiry, because it needs to be worked on, to determine that God does not exist.
Who does that? Since when has anyone of any credibility claimed that the scientific method, a secular practice somehow 'disproves' God?

Nobody does this. Why are you making things up about atheists?
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north_malaysian
02-17-2010, 04:01 AM
it's hot and dry down here in Malaysia... :phew

went to the waterfalls last Saturday (deep in the jungle)... i wish i could go there everyday
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north_malaysian
02-17-2010, 04:04 AM
Hot weather blamed for train derailment at Guar Chempedak

Published: Monday February 15, 2010 MYT 6:17:00 PM

GURUN: Hot weather has been blamed for the derailment of a goods train at KM58.75 near Kampung Guar station, Guar Chempedak Sunday.

Keretapi Tanah Melayu Berhad (KTMB) president Dr Aminuddin Adnan said the finding was made after an investigation was conducted on the derailment.

"We believe the heat caused the railway tracks to expand and bend before the train passed," he said when inspecting the repair work here Monday.

The train laden with rubber goods was travelling from Padang Besar to Butterworth when it jumped the rails at 4.48pm. - Bernama

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp...214&sec=nation
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ardianto
02-21-2010, 04:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian
it's hot and dry down here in Malaysia... :phew
Different than Bandung city, Indonesia.

Rain fall everyday here, and at the last saturday we got ice rain.
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north_malaysian
02-22-2010, 03:31 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
Different than Bandung city, Indonesia.

Rain fall everyday here, and at the last saturday we got ice rain.
wowwww...:D

it'll be dry here in the northern region of Malaysia until mid April :phew
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ardianto
02-22-2010, 04:34 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian
wowwww...:D

it'll be dry here in the northern region of Malaysia until mid April :phew
In Java island, April or May is the beginning of dry season.

I think this difference is because you live at north of equator, and I live at south of equator.
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north_malaysian
02-24-2010, 07:18 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
In Java island, April or May is the beginning of dry season.

I think this difference is because you live at north of equator, and I live at south of equator.
maybe.. that's why the durian season is also different
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CosmicPathos
02-24-2010, 07:47 AM
its snow, winter, numb, white, chill, desolation here. Hence my signature.
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Skavau
02-24-2010, 09:03 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist
its snow, winter, numb, white, chill, desolation here. Hence my signature.
Wait, those are lyrics from Wintersun?

Awesome.

But, uh, you listen to them?
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CosmicPathos
02-24-2010, 09:07 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau
Wait, those are lyrics from Wintersun?

Awesome.

But, uh, you listen to them?
I used to.

10 charc
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