Just doesn't make sense.

[huan]

:sl:

I'm just an average 17 year old teenager born and bred in UK, London studying at a 6th form.

In the past few weeks/months, these thoughts have been springing up quite frequently in my mind. Some aspects of Islam just doesn't seem to make sense. It's reached a point now where I've begun to question my Muslim Identity. imsad

I just don't get certain things like apostasy and homosexuality in Islam.

Guys, what should I do ? Im confused.

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[Beardo]

Islam is about believing in the unseen. If we were able to see the miracles of Allah Ta'ala, then everyone would be a Muslim. Faith would be valueless and easy, and we would be humanic angels.

What do you not understand? If you can provide a little more detail, Insha'Allah we can help you. :statisfie We're here to help each other.

[Asiyah3]

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Guys, what should I do ? Im confused.

:wa:

:wa: Wr Wb

:welcome: to the Forum bro. Personally this forum has helped me alot so I highly recommend it. The members are very kind and helpful... Also I'm sure you'll learn alot here, insha'lLah. How about spending time here with us for a couple of weeks?

[Ummu Sufyaan]

wa alaykum us-Salaam akhee.
do you think it could your environment (eg people you are around, etc) ?

what is it that doesn't make sense about it? what exactly is it that you are having trouble grasping and understanding?

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[abu_musab461]

u mean the capital punishments? Allah (swt) is not unjust so if He decides to punish a crime it is suitable for the crime. we don't see the evil effects of homosexuality on in society and how bad it is. capital punishment is a form of forgiveness and mercy for the victim and a deterant for the witnesses. Allah (swt) does not punish a believer twice for the same crime.

[huan]

I just can't list all the things, can't remember all of them from the top of my head. It's just sometimes whenever I come across something or read it somewhere. Btw I was bought up in a strict muslim household, and my parents are still practicing muslims. Even though I still pray and stuff but there is stuff troubling me in my mind which I need to let out. I wouldn't have the courage to discuss such things with my parents.

I'll list the questions here in this thread whenever I remember or come across something. Jazakallahu Khairan guys. :D

[huan]

u mean the capital punishments? Allah (swt) is not unjust so if He decides to punish a crime it is suitable for the crime. we don't see the evil effects of homosexuality on in society and how bad it is. capital punishment is a form of forgiveness and mercy for the victim and a deterant for the witnesses. Allah (swt) does not punish a believer twice for the same crime.

Not only capital punishments but these were just some of the things I could remember.

I mean why does an apostate deserve to be killed. Surely there is no compulsion in religion, so then why when someone leaves the fold of Islam, capital punishment upon them. Just seems old and outdated to me. I've also on the net and came across Dr. Zakir Naik's explanation to this, he explains using the analogy of a secret intelligence officer giving information to another country so therefore deserves cap punishment from his/her country. I mean that explanation just sounds silly, how can you compare the two. Someone leaving a religion and someone giving away private information cannot be compared. And also it's not like Islam is some private religion where the message is hidden and kept secret between it's followers. It's accessible to almost everyone non muslims/muslims so it's upto them to decide if they want to follow or not.


Bro what 'evil effects' of homosexuality?

Aren't some people just like this. They just can't help it with their sexual preference it's not like they decide to. Maybe some do, but others may not. Then Islam pronouncing death penalty on such people just doesn't seem right. So you deserve to die for something which you can't help.

[aamirsaab]

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Apostasy ruling only applies in certain cases. The matter is much more complicated than what you hear/read on the net.

Homosexuality punishment: One must be found guilty of committing sodomy (which requires witnesses) in a court process before any punishment can be given out.

[noorseeker]

sister , paedophiles will say the same thing , they were born like this
Shall we let em off too.

[Asiyah3]

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Huan, if a child and a mature man want to spend the night together out of their own will, should we make it legitimate?

[cat eyes]

Not only capital punishments but these were just some of the things I could remember.

I mean why does an apostate deserve to be killed. Surely there is no compulsion in religion, so then why when someone leaves the fold of Islam, capital punishment upon them. Just seems old and outdated to me. I've also on the net and came across Dr. Zakir Naik's explanation to this, he explains using the analogy of a secret intelligence officer giving information to another country so therefore deserves cap punishment from his/her country. I mean that explanation just sounds silly, how can you compare the two. Someone leaving a religion and someone giving away private information cannot be compared. And also it's not like Islam is some private religion where the message is hidden and kept secret between it's followers. It's accessible to almost everyone non muslims/muslims so it's upto them to decide if they want to follow or not.


Bro what 'evil effects' of homosexuality?

Aren't some people just like this. They just can't help it with their sexual preference it's not like they decide to. Maybe some do, but others may not. Then Islam pronouncing death penalty on such people just doesn't seem right. So you deserve to die for something which you can't help.

you need to do your homework sister. this has not been proven that they were born like that or whether they can help it or not. the second thing is how can you think that homosexuality is a little thing? its not natural what they do.. not only is it disgusting but it spreads aids and other serious diseases so how is there no evil in it? you need to ask yourself these questions and think long and hard why they give the dead penalty

[huan]

sister , paedophiles will say the same thing , they were born like this
Shall we let em off too.

Paedophiles sexually abuse children.

Homosexuality is not the same because both individuals of the same sex have agreed upon doing whatever they want. It's not like they either one of them is forced into doing them. If that was the case that would also be considered sexual abuse.

And I'm a Bro not a sister.:p

[cat eyes]

:sl:
Apostasy ruling only applies in certain cases. The matter is much more complicated than what you hear/read on the net.

Homosexuality punishment: One must be found guilty of committing sodomy (which requires witnesses) in a court process before any punishment can be given out.

yeah exactly its not that easy to carry out the death penalty. people think that if we see a homo so kill them. it dose not work like that at all

[abrar_]

As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

Bro Aamir rightly said passing capital punishment isnt as easy as teacher saying u are in detention today.... and only those who have proper authority can pass it...so i would recommend you do a good reading of it before coming to any conclusion.

And about no compulsion in religion... yea its true there is no Compulsion in religion....

There is no compulsion in accepting islam as your deen/way of life but when u accept it... u accept all its laws i.e the Sharia't including the criminal law... so one cant say that why there is punishment for such and such thing in islam.... when one accepts/agrees with Islam i.e Submitting your will to the Almighty Allaah... u agree with his judgement..and Allaah is Adl i.e Just .....there is just two things one is mercy and other justice...Where the mercy Allaah stops on someone His Justice begins...
even the disbelievers and those that will be thrown in to hell fire wont say that Allah has wronged them.

And about homosexuality... people arent just like this... it isnt a physical disease like diabetes etc... rather its the disease of the heart. Else it would be like Homosexuality is there in some people and why is Allaah punishing them then... I seek refuge in Allaah.

Reflect over this verse

It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error

[33:36]


You rather break your question and get it solved one at a time... for example apostasy... dont go to next until this is solved and ur heart is satisfied and there is no room of doubt for you.

May Allaah make things easy for us ...And envelope us all in His Infinite Mercy....Ameen!

[Uthman]

:salamext:

Brother, you have done exactly the right thing by coming to us for advice.

Regarding Islam and apostasy, I think you have some misconceptions so I'd like to direct you to this thread: http://www.islamicboard.com/clarific...-apostasy.html

With regards to homosexuality, Islam only prohibits homosexual acts and not feelings. Does that still seem unfair to you?

Let me ask you a question now. Do you still believe that the Qur'an contains the words of Allah? :)

[huan]

you need to do your homework sister. this has not been proven that they were born like that or whether they can help it or not. the second thing is how can you think that homosexuality is a little thing? its not natural what they do.. not only is it disgusting but it spreads aids and other serious diseases so how is there no evil in it? you need to ask yourself these questions and think long and hard why they give the dead penalty

Well I agree with you on that part, it's not yet proven if it's a disorder or caused by any mutations but research is yet going on. Casual sexual intercourse between a husband and a wife can also spread many diseases including HIV/AIDs. So this disease factor is not any good, does that mean casual sex between a husband and a wife should be considered 'evil'.

Yes sister I am thinking long and hard but I seem to be going nowhere, the more I think and question, the further the hole deepens.

[cat eyes]

Well I agree with you on that part, it's not yet proven if it's a disorder or caused by any mutations but research is yet going on. Casual sexual intercourse between a husband and a wife can also spread many diseases including HIV/AIDs. So this disease factor is not any good, does that mean casual sex between a husband and a wife should be considered 'evil'.

Yes sister I am thinking long and hard but I seem to be going nowhere, the more I think and question, the further the hole deepens.

when i first entered into islam sister i was in the same both as you. could not get my head around it so i decided to read in to it and found a lot.

i am not a doctor or scientist so i can not talk with you about this properly but i seen a statistic which shows the majority of women and men who have aids in america was because there husband had relations with another man and had passed this horrible disease on to his wife. the amount of gay men in america they have the highest statistic of having this disease. between a man and a woman..extremely slim but mostly women caught the disease by sleeping with a bisexual.

[CosmicPathos]

Well I agree with you on that part, it's not yet proven if it's a disorder or caused by any mutations but research is yet going on. Casual sexual intercourse between a husband and a wife can also spread many diseases including HIV/AIDs. So this disease factor is not any good, does that mean casual sex between a husband and a wife should be considered 'evil'.

Yes sister I am thinking long and hard but I seem to be going nowhere, the more I think and question, the further the hole deepens.

You are not thinking strong enough.

Homosexuals are also at higher risk of getting those viruses which spread via oral-fecal route. Such viruses are not transmitted by sexual intercourse between a man and a woman. But when an evil homosexual derives pleasure from the anus of an evil man, he is at a far higher risk of getting those viruses.

Homosexuals are evil people. They are evil to their own nafs. And to the society. I abhor homosexuals. Does that make sense now?