why do Muslim wear hijab?

[sunmonkey]

Hello everyone,

I am new to this board and would like some clarification.

Why do many muslims around the world believe that they must wear a hijab?

Here are several verses related to this matter, the most compelling of which is the last verse:

“O you Children of Adam! We have bestowed on you raiment to cover your shame as well as to be an adornment to you. But the raiment of righteousness, that is the best. Such are among the Signs of Allah, that they may receive admonition.” (Quran 7:26)


“And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear therof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, or their brothers' sons or their sisters' sons, or their women or the servants whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex, and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers, turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss.” (Quran 24:31).

“O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.” (Quran 33:59)

I am not sure how millions of muslims interpret this to mean that women must wear a hijab. There is no mention of covering the hair or neck at all. Mostly just vague statements that are open to a wide range of interpretations regarding what you must cover and what you must not cover.

Can someone explain this to me?

Thanks.

[Ummu Sufyaan]

why not? :shade:
......

[Italianguy]

Same reason some Christians do,

1.) It is written
2.) Modesty
3.) Because they want to!

Why is it such a big problem for everyone, especially atheists?

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Give the OP the benefit of the doubt lol inshaAllah. I know we've been asked this a lot..on and off this forum but...still :D

And I would say because this is what God ordered us to do, for modesty purposes as for safety and because at a personal level, its a feeling of liberation. We don't need to conform to the standards of society...and it makes us stand out as MUSLIM women. Men have a hijab too , which would be their beard and covering from navel to knee :)

Btw, one of the verses you posted gives a somewhat of an answer. I'll leave you to find it there.

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[Malaikah]

Hi,

Just quickly, you seem to be under the impression that the Quran is the only source of legislation for Muslims. It isn't. We also have a collection of text referred to as 'hadith', meaning narrations. They are basically collections of things the Prophet said or did as witnessed by his companions. It is from the hadith that we derive the specific requirement of wearing hijab.

In many cases you will find that the Quran only mentions things generally (like dress in this case) but it is in the hadith that you find out what the specifics are.

In this case, there is a hadith that mentions that when a Muslim woman becomes mature in age, it is not appropriate for her to show anything other than her hands and face (to men she isn't related to).

[sunmonkey]

Give the OP the benefit of the doubt lol inshaAllah. I know we've been asked this a lot..on and off this forum but...still :D

Thank you for your positive response!

And I would say because this is what God ordered us to do, for modesty purposes as for safety and because at a personal level, its a feeling of liberation. We don't need to conform to the standards of society...and it makes us stand out as MUSLIM women. Men have a hijab too , which would be their beard and covering from navel to knee :)

Btw, one of the verses you posted gives a somewhat of an answer. I'll leave you to find it there.

I see several points in your post.

1. Personal connection to God. All I can say is that you shouldn't need to dress a certain way to have a connection with your God, but for some, that makes them feel closer.

2. Modesty. So part of the reason is modesty. I get being modest, but does a woman really have to cover herself from head to toe?

3. The mention of the cloak. A cloak does not really cover your entire hair and nor does it cover the neck.

4. Men's Hijab. To this I have a question. Are Muslim men obliged to wear a beard?

Thanks again. :)

[sunmonkey]

Hi,

Just quickly, you seem to be under the impression that the Quran is the only source of legislation for Muslims. It isn't. We also have a collection of text referred to as 'hadith', meaning narrations. They are basically collections of things the Prophet said or did as witnessed by his companions. It is from the hadith that we derive the specific requirement of wearing hijab.

In many cases you will find that the Quran only mentions things generally (like dress in this case) but it is in the hadith that you find out what the specifics are.

In this case, there is a hadith that mentions that when a Muslim woman becomes mature in age, it is not appropriate for her to show anything other than her hands and face (to men she isn't related to).

You're right. I was under the impression that everything comes from the Quran.

Can you explain what a hadith is and how it comes to being?

Also can you please reference for me the hadith that talks about the specifics with regards to Hijab.

Thanks a bunch.

[Predator]

Thank you for your positive response!



I see several points in your post.

1. Personal connection to God. All I can say is that you shouldn't need to dress a certain way to have a connection with your God, but for some, that makes them feel closer.

2. Modesty. So part of the reason is modesty. I get being modest, but does a woman really have to cover herself from head to toe?

3. The mention of the cloak. A cloak does not really cover your entire hair and nor does it cover the neck.

Thanks again. :)

Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijab i.e. the whole body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a skirt or a mini. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The hijab prevents the women from being molested.

[sur]

Hello everyone,

I am new to this board and would like some clarification.

Why do many muslims around the world believe that they must wear a hijab?

Here are several verses related to this matter, the most compelling of which is the last verse:

“O you Children of Adam! We have bestowed on you raiment to cover your shame as well as to be an adornment to you. But the raiment of righteousness, that is the best. Such are among the Signs of Allah, that they may receive admonition.” (Quran 7:26)


“And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear therof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, or their brothers' sons or their sisters' sons, or their women or the servants whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex, and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers, turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss.” (Quran 24:31).

“O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.” (Quran 33:59)

I am not sure how millions of muslims interpret this to mean that women must wear a hijab. There is no mention of covering the hair or neck at all. Mostly just vague statements that are open to a wide range of interpretations regarding what you must cover and what you must not cover.

Can someone explain this to me?

Thanks.

in "west" most of so-called, curves-revealing, face-enhancing hijab u see has nothing to do with commandments in Quran & sunnah.... That kind of westrinized-hijab makes those ladies even more "starable" target... Purpose of hijab is the opposite.... Quran asks women to "wrap" وَلۡيَضۡرِبۡنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ their trunks with an outer covering "Chaadar"چادر & stretch a part of it over themselves(over their heads)يُدۡنِينَ عَلَيۡہِنَّ مِن جَلَـٰبِيبِهِنَّۚ .


& if this question was asked by some lady... my reply would be, Transfer into a males body, if u could, for some time to get knowhow of his psycho-physiology, then go back in woman's , if u r modest, u'll start taking "chaader"چادر without anyone telling u...

[Italianguy]

I have to agree, here in the US, most of the Muslimah's I see, wear form fitting designer hijab's that although stand for modesty in their meaning, don't do much for cover when they are coupled with tight jeans, a tight shirt and high heel shoes. As far as a man picking the "western" dressed woman to pick on as supposed to a woman wearing hijab, i would say most of the Muslimahs I see don't look much different than the westerner in the way they are dressed................Personally.......some of the the Muslim women I see look more attractive with their hijabs on:embarrass:shade:

[World Peace]

Hello

welcome to the forum

Regarding modesty and the hijab, I would like to share with you the following.

Humility
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1693/

Modesty: An overview
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/21/

Modesty: Stories on Modesty
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/398/

The veil
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/285/

The hijab can also be found in previous scriptures:

"[1 Corinthians 11:5-7] "But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head, for it is one and the same thing as if she had had her head shaved. For if a woman does not have her head veiled, she may as well have her hair cut off. But if it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should wear a veil.""

"So Islam didn’t invent the veil, it merely endorsed it. However, while Paul presented the veil as a sign of man’s authority, Islam clarifies that it is simply a sign of faith, modesty and chastity which serves to protect the devout from molestation." Ben Adams, http://www.islamreligion.com

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[Darth Ultor]

Same reason some Christians do,

1.) It is written
2.) Modesty
3.) Because they want to!

Why is it such a big problem for everyone, especially atheists?

I guess some westerners see it as a symbol of oppression (e.g the Taliban or Saudi Royals who force women to wear it) rather than something of their own free will. The orthodox Jews keep their heads covered, but the women don't until they are married. Decency and modesty comes from the heart, though.

[huan]

I see no problem with the hijab or the full veil if women want to wear it of their own accord, I don't think the main problem will be about whether women are being forced to wear it in the western world, this could be so in the Middle east/Asia. After all it is their freedom to wear what they want. But I do see a problem for e.g. security reasons at an airport or certain jobs that would not be deemed suitable to cover your face. It would also be inappropriate to see them go around fighting for their rights and saying they're being discriminated for what they wear. Surely you cannot receive special treatment because your wearing a hijab and therefore be immune to such things, everyone needs to be treated equally. So if you want a job teaching in a school then you cannot wear such things as it's going to be a communication barrier between the teacher and students.

[Lynx]

Hello everyone,

I am new to this board and would like some clarification.

Why do many muslims around the world believe that they must wear a hijab?

Here are several verses related to this matter, the most compelling of which is the last verse:

“O you Children of Adam! We have bestowed on you raiment to cover your shame as well as to be an adornment to you. But the raiment of righteousness, that is the best. Such are among the Signs of Allah, that they may receive admonition.” (Quran 7:26)


“And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear therof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, or their brothers' sons or their sisters' sons, or their women or the servants whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex, and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers, turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss.” (Quran 24:31).

“O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.” (Quran 33:59)

I am not sure how millions of muslims interpret this to mean that women must wear a hijab. There is no mention of covering the hair or neck at all. Mostly just vague statements that are open to a wide range of interpretations regarding what you must cover and what you must not cover.

Can someone explain this to me?

Thanks.

The Sunnah is meant to put into practice what the Quran commands of Muslims so there is a practical rather than a just a theoretical work. So if it says 'pray at x time of the day' one can look at the Sunnah to see how that prayer at x time of day is meant to be carried out based on what Muhammad did. Afterall since he is the prophet of the religion how he does Islam is probably the best way to do Islam.

As for Hijab, well most people tend to agree that people running around naked is not modest behavior. Other people find mini skirts, revealing tops, etc, to be non-modest attire. Muslims just have a different threshold of what counts as 'decent and modest'.

[Al-Indunisiy]

:sl:

4. Men's Hijab. To this I have a question. Are Muslim men obliged to wear a beard?

Depending upon to whom do you ask the question. Some say it is sunnah, some say it is wajib.

I personally go with the later.

[Ummu Sufyaan]

I have to agree, here in the US, most of the Muslimah's I see, wear form fitting designer hijab's that although stand for modesty in their meaning, don't do much for cover when they are coupled with tight jeans, a tight shirt and high heel shoes. As far as a man picking the "western" dressed woman to pick on as supposed to a woman wearing hijab, i would say most of the Muslimahs I see don't look much different than the westerner in the way they are dressed................Personally.......some of the the Muslim women I see look more attractive with their hijabs on:embarrass:shade:

dont you have a wife?

[CosmicPathos]

I have to agree, here in the US, most of the Muslimah's I see, wear form fitting designer hijab's that although stand for modesty in their meaning, don't do much for cover when they are coupled with tight jeans, a tight shirt and high heel shoes. As far as a man picking the "western" dressed woman to pick on as supposed to a woman wearing hijab, i would say most of the Muslimahs I see don't look much different than the westerner in the way they are dressed................Personally.......some of the the Muslim women I see look more attractive with their hijabs on:embarrass:shade:

You stole words from my mouth!

After seeing such sights, I find it more Islamic to marry a hijabless Muslimah than a hypocritical hijabi! At least she is being honest in showing that she does not wear hijab. Its all about balancing pros and cons.

[transition?]

The veil is only one part of modesty/haya.
Hijab means "to cover oneself."
The most accurate description of hijab is khimaar (headscarf) + jilbaab (cloak, abaya, purdah) + tabarruj (blending in)
But also there are certain conducts one must follow, too, such 1) speaking with a firm voice with men 2) a certain quality of shyness 3) not shaking hands with the opposite sex.

[transition?]

You stole words from my mouth!

After seeing such sights, I find it more Islamic to marry a hijabless Muslimah than a hypocritical hijabi! At least she is being honest in showing that she does not wear hijab. Its all about balancing pros and cons.

:sl:

If both are wearing tight clothes/showing off their figure or nudity in some way...then there really would be no difference..
It would be ridiculous to call one a hypocrite over the other. Both are inappropriately dressed and one just is covering her hair... she is not making any statement about her faith being perfect, is she? Both are openly sinning and calling themselves Muslims. Sinning does not make you hypocrite, we all will sin. The definition of a hypocrite of belief/character is specific. A fasiq is an open sinner. Muslims must seek to help them first and if they continue, dissociate with them. So I might say, don't be too judgemental of that "hijabi" because both are mistaken. But Islam is a state of becoming. We all do as much as we can to follow our faith. :] Rather seek to correct it with both by giving them dawah?

[huan]

:sl:

If both are wearing tight clothes/showing off their figure or nudity in some way...then there really would be no difference..
It would be ridiculous to call one a hypocrite over the other. Both are inappropriately dressed and one just is covering her hair... she is not making any statement about her faith being perfect, is she? Both are openly sinning and calling themselves Muslims. Sinning does not make you hypocrite, we all will sin. The definition of a hypocrite of belief/character is specific. A fasiq is an open sinner. Muslims must seek to help them first and if they continue, dissociate with them. So I might say, don't be too judgemental of that "hijabi" because both are mistaken. But Islam is a state of becoming. We all do as much as we can to follow our faith. :] Rather seek to correct it with both by giving them dawah?

But why wear it if it's going to defeat the actual purpose of it. That is called hypocrisy isn't it, if not what is it ? At least this other women you are comparing isn't trying to show she is any religious, hence why I do not agree with the bit in bold. Unless she is going around proclaiming it, you wouldn't know otherwise from the 'western' clothing.

[aadil77]

^have to agree

[Asiyah3]

:sl:
^^ I agree with Huan.

:sl:

If both are wearing tight clothes/showing off their figure or nudity in some way...then there really would be no difference..

Their behaviour affects people's thoughts of Islam and furthermore the other muslim women.

It would be ridiculous to call one a hypocrite over the other. Both are inappropriately dressed and one just is covering her hair... she is not making any statement about her faith being perfect, is she?

Umm.. yes she is. When one uses the hijab you signal to others around you that you are a muslim, modest and humble. We use the hijab to respect Allah's will.
:wa:

ps. We should avoid be judgemental and call others hypocrites.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The signs of the hypocrite are three: when he speaks he lies, when he makes a promise he breaks it, and when he is entrusted with something he betrays (that trust).” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 33; Muslim, 59.

[transition?]

But why wear it if it's going to defeat the actual purpose of it. That is called hypocrisy isn't it, if not what is it ? At least this other women you are comparing isn't trying to show she is any religious, hence why I do not agree with the bit in bold. Unless she is going around proclaiming it, you wouldn't know otherwise from the 'western' clothing.

Why bother with life if I'm going to sin? Well, akhi, so we can continuing grow and learning and becoming better Muslims.

Most Muslimahs actually almost every Muslim does not do anything to prove themselves or make a statement that they in fact are perfect Muslims. We are quick to make judgments about our Muslimahs than find excuses for them. :D We follow hijab because we are saying "I am Muslim and I will follow Islam to the best ability I can" No one can have everything perfect at one time.

Audhibillah, "why bother wearing it" Is that right attitude to have? You'd rather have her give up because she sucks at being Muslim/covering up? No, we as Muslim find the root problem and continue to encourage her. Because we all have weaknesses. Some issues are greater than others.

:sl:
^^ I agree with Huan.


Their behaviour affects people's thoughts of Islam and furthermore the other muslim women.


Umm.. yes she is. When one uses the hijab you signal to others around you that you are a muslim, modest and humble. We use the hijab to respect Allah's will.
:wa:

ps. We should avoid be judgemental and call others hypocrites.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The signs of the hypocrite are three: when he speaks he lies, when he makes a promise he breaks it, and when he is entrusted with something he betrays (that trust).” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 33; Muslim, 59.

:sl:

The core reason a Muslim woman observes hijab or at least attempts being a muhajaba because she wishes to follow Allah's Command.

I cannot judge about this certain individual because I don't know her. But if I did know someone, then I would approach her about the issue. There are many reasons people do not cover properly. Unless you or someone approach her, you cannot condemn her completely. She could be lacking evidence/knowledge on true hijab. She could be in a process of transitioning.
You have to find loose clothing, which is a major money investment. Sometimes, observing hijab means discrimination or judgment (*cough*). It takes a serious commitment and great imaan to risk that. Sometimes that will take time to build. There is no excuse, but faith is something that grows. People can only burden themselves with what they can at a time. Generally, I find the former is true. Therefore, try as much as you can to avoid judging her because there is lack of knowledge everywhere. Sometimes, ignorance isn't the same thing as hypocrisy.

At least one is trying to observe, while the other is O_O,.. not trying at all. I am baffled as to why someone would want to marry a person who has attempted nothing than someone who tries.
Most likely, if you help her and provide her with evidence, she will follow through.


Yes, the hadith you posted about is about "hypocrite of character," which is different from hypocrite of belief. You should be careful using both.

[syilla]

Because Allah swt told us so...

Even how bad the muslimahs wear their hijabs....it is our responsibility as muslims to give them advice / naseehah the proper way of wearing according to islam.

[transition?]

Because Allah swt told us so...

Even how bad the muslimahs wear their hijabs....it is our responsibility as muslims to give them advice / naseehah the proper way of wearing according to islam.

Yup yup sis :]

[Abdul Qadir]

coz there are lecherous ppl like italianguy lurking around...;D

[transition?]

^ he's joking btw people (especially you guest lurking here : ) ).

[Donia]

I appreciate your quest to gain knowledge.

“And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear therof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, or their brothers' sons or their sisters' sons, or their women or the servants whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex, and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you Believers, turn you all together towards Allah, that you may attain Bliss.” (Quran 24:31).

I am not a scholar but I think this is the keyword in this verse, if you want to go by this verse alone.

What is a veil?
Veil = head covering

Here is a great example that is often quoted from a Hadith..

Ayesha (rad.i-Allahu `anha) reported that Asma’ the daughter of Abu Bakr (rad.i-Allahu `anhu) came to the Messenger of Allah MHMD while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asma’! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands." [Abu Dawud]

[huan]

Why bother with life if I'm going to sin? Well, akhi, so we can continuing grow and learning and becoming better Muslims.

Most Muslimahs actually almost every Muslim does not do anything to prove themselves or make a statement that they in fact are perfect Muslims. We are quick to make judgments about our Muslimahs than find excuses for them. :D We follow hijab because we are saying "I am Muslim and I will follow Islam to the best ability I can" No one can have everything perfect at one time.

Audhibillah, "why bother wearing it" Is that right attitude to have? You'd rather have her give up because she sucks at being Muslim/covering up? No, we as Muslim find the root problem and continue to encourage her. Because we all have weaknesses. Some issues are greater than others.

The discussion around here is as bro 'Italianguy' has said :

... most of the Muslimah's I see, wear form fitting designer hijab's that although stand for modesty in their meaning, don't do much for cover when they are coupled with tight jeans, a tight shirt and high heel shoes...

Now If you feel they are making a mistake in understanding their faith and therefore should not be judged quickly, what about the other muslim women who get judged about their clothing because of them, it surely isn't doing Islam any justice.

Also I get the feeling some muslims don't even understand the whole reason of wearing the hijab and just blindly following what has been shoved down their throats, surely if you want to see the societal benefits of the hijab then it would not lead people trying to 'modernise' the hijab. The fact is that it's not even about being a perfect muslim, it's just sheer ignorance on the part of such muslims which leads to innovations being introduced.

[transition?]

I appreciate your quest to gain knowledge.



I am not a scholar but I think this is the keyword in this verse, if you want to go by this verse alone.

What is a veil?
Veil = head covering

Here is a great example that is often quoted from a Hadith..

Ayesha (rad.i-Allahu `anha) reported that Asma’ the daughter of Abu Bakr (rad.i-Allahu `anhu) came to the Messenger of Allah MHMD while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asma’! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands." [Abu Dawud]

:sl:


To add on, the best article I have seen that cover the linguistics of what the covering up means from the Quran and Sunnah:

http://nahdaonline.islamicink.com/2009/04/jilbab/

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The discussion around here is as bro 'Italianguy' has said :



Now If you feel they are making a mistake in understanding their faith and therefore should not be judged quickly, what about the other muslim women who get judged about their clothing because of them, it surely isn't doing Islam any justice.

Also I get the feeling some muslims don't even understand the whole reason of wearing the hijab and just blindly following what has been shoved down their throats, surely if you want to see the societal benefits of the hijab then it would not lead people trying to 'modernise' the hijab. The fact is that it's not even about being a perfect muslim, it's just sheer ignorance on the part of such muslims which leads to innovations being introduced.

I am not denying the issue. I'm just saying we all know the issue: ignorance, lack of knowledge, lack of faith,..etc. True, it is not doing Islam any justice.

It's hard on LI because we are all at different learning levels, and some people are just understanding the issue. I've just seen hundreds and hundred of time this issue is raised. There is no point to criticism, if it is not constructive and we are doing nothing to solve the problem

We all know the issue, so my point is that, instead of making the 9838934th thread on the misconception, let's not just bring awareness about the mistakes but awareness on how to correct them :

Because Allah swt told us so...

Even how bad the muslimahs wear their hijabs....it is our responsibility as muslims to give them advice / naseehah the proper way of wearing according to islam.

[huan]

I am not denying the issue. I'm just saying we all know the issue: ignorance, lack of knowledge, lack of faith,..etc. True, it is not doing Islam any justice.

It's hard on LI because we are all at different learning levels, and some people are just understanding the issue. I've just seen hundreds and hundred of time this issue is raised. There is no point to criticism, if it is not constructive and we are doing nothing to solve the problem

We all know the issue, so my point is that, instead of making the 9838934th thread on the misconception, let's not just bring awareness about the mistakes but awareness on how to correct them :

That's the whole problem I am having with Islam atm, I just see it as a set of laws which are hammered into children's head at a very young age and made to believe such things without proper questioning. I was born into a Muslim household and was a practicing Muslim (well not proper strict) until recently, now I just seem to have problems comprehending certain things. Even though I don't have a problem with people wearing the veil if they want to, but neither do I agree with the reasons why women are commanded to wear it in the first place.

[Esther462]

I wear hijab beacuse it says so in the quran, modisy and to show that I'm muslim.
Women should wear hijab in loose fitting clothes like long sleave tops ,skirs and dresses not skin tiet trousers and teit tops.

[Salahudeen]

As my beautifull brother Murtaza Khan says in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nAoVLej8TE

"when we begin to despise over Muslim's, look down upon other Muslim's then what teachings are you holding to? you are only holding to the teachings of shayttan (Iblis)

when you begin to look at another sister and say "well you don't wear the hijaab properly or you don't wear the thobe correctly there's something deficient in you" yes there may be something deificient in her or a man who doesn't wear the thobe correctly or do certain actions correctly, there may be something externally deficient about that individual, we shouldn't play upon that, we shouldn't make a mockery of them, we should strengthen them not weaken them.

there may be words of wisdom the person speaks, there may be skill and welfare, dua supplication actions that they have that we can learn from.

give them sincere advice that "this action your doing is against the sunnah of the prophet pbuh".

check the link out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nAoVLej8TE

I never read the whole thread btw.

[huan]

I wear hijab beacuse it says so in the quran

That's not good enough, have you looked at why the Quran says so.

[Asiyah3]

I wear it because I want to please Allah.

[Esther462]

That's not good enough, have you looked at why the Quran says so.

Read the 1st post on this tread to get my answer.

[Salahudeen]

That's the whole problem I am having with Islam atm, I just see it as a set of laws which are hammered into children's head at a very young age and made to believe such things without proper questioning. I was born into a Muslim household and was a practicing Muslim (well not proper strict) until recently, now I just seem to have problems comprehending certain things. Even though I don't have a problem with people wearing the veil if they want to, but neither do I agree with the reasons why women are commanded to wear it in the first place.

I understand what you mean, there was lots of stuff in Islam I didn't agree with and couldn't see the wisdom in but then I thought to myself why am I making the criterion for accepting a command of god my own intellect and reasoning, who am I to use my own nut sized brain ;D and limited knowledge/skills to decide upon if something god lesgislates is good or bad.

Then I started thinking, reasoning differs from person to person, you may not be able to see the wisdom or reasoning in why god legsilates something but the person next to you might be able to see the wisdom in it.

that's why it's dangerous to judge the commands of God with your own logic/reasoning because god in all his wisdom knows what's best for us, where as me and you do not even know if we'll be alive tomorrow.

Then I started thinking, "do I know better than God?" obviously not, so if God legislates something who am I to say "well sorry God I don't agree with this you got it wrong here so I'm not gonna follow it"

what people agree upon differs from person to person that's why you can't use what we agree upon. If people only followed the bits of Islam they could see the wisdom in then every 1 would be doing their own thing, you'd have some people praying, some people not praying, you'd have some people eating pork and some people not eating pork.

all because they decided to follow what they agreed with and what suited their desires.

you have to remember your mentality and your thinking is a product of the society and time you were raised in so using your own reasoning/intellect when judging the commands of god is faulty because if you lived a 1000 years ago your reasoning would have been different according to that time and society.

whether we agree or not with the divine commands is irrelavant, we believe the Qur'an to be from God and in it he commands us to do certain actions sure sometimes we can't see the reasoning behind those actions or the wisdom behind them but that doesn't mean we disregard the whole religion.

we follow everything because by following the religion we make our creator pleased with us, he has legislated how he wants us to live our lifes you can either accept or refuse there's no compulsion in religion.

if you refuse and think you know better as did the shaytaan well we know what happened to him when he didn't agree with the reasoning behind god commanding him to bow to Adam.

shaytaan isn't shaytaan cos he was disobediant, we are all disobediant at some stage in our life, shaytaan was shaytaan because he thought he knew better than God, he thought his own logic/reasoning was the criterion for judging if something is correct or not and that is why he is called arrogant cos he believed his own reasoning and wisdom to be greater than Gods therefore he refused to bow.

make dua to Allah to guide you every night and ask him to help you understand his religion and feel peaceful and content with it.

[huan]

I understand what you mean, there was lots of stuff in Islam I didn't agree with and couldn't see the wisdom in but then I thought to myself why am I making the criterion for accepting a command of god my own intellect and reasoning, who am I to use my own nut sized brain ;D and limited knowledge/skills to decide upon if something god lesgislates is good or bad.

Then I started thinking, reasoning differs from person to person, you may not be able to see the wisdom or reasoning in why god legsilates something but the person next to you might be able to see the wisdom in it.

that's why it's dangerous to judge the commands of God with your own logic/reasoning because god in all his wisdom knows what's best for us, where as me and you do not even know if we'll be alive tomorrow.

Then I started thinking, "do I know better than God?" obviously not, so if God legislates something who am I to say "well sorry God I don't agree with this you got it wrong here so I'm not gonna follow it"

what people agree upon differs from person to person that's why you can't use what we agree upon. If people only followed the bits of Islam they could see the wisdom in then every 1 would be doing their own thing, you'd have some people praying, some people not praying, you'd have some people eating pork and some people not eating pork.

all because they decided to follow what they agreed with and what suited their desires.

you have to remember your mentality and your thinking is a product of the society and time you were raised in so using your own reasoning/intellect when judging the commands of god is faulty because if you lived a 1000 years ago your reasoning would have been different according to that time and society.

whether we agree or not with the divine commands is irrelavant, we believe the Qur'an to be from God and in it he commands us to do certain actions sure sometimes we can't see the reasoning behind those actions or the wisdom behind them but that doesn't mean we disregard the whole religion.

we follow everything because by following the religion we make our creator pleased with us, he has legislated how he wants us to live our lifes you can either accept or refuse there's no compulsion in religion.

if you refuse and think you know better as did the shaytaan well we know what happened to him when he didn't agree with the reasoning behind god commanding him to bow to Adam.

shaytaan isn't shaytaan cos he was disobediant, we are all disobediant at some stage in our life, shaytaan was shaytaan because he thought he knew better than God, he thought his own logic/reasoning was the criterion for judging if something is correct or not and that is why he is called arrogant cos he believed his own reasoning and wisdom to be greater than Gods therefore he refused to bow.

make dua to Allah to guide you every night and ask him to help you understand his religion and feel peaceful and content with it.

It's this type of attitude which I also dislike, something which was mentioned in a book 1400 years ago, you are obliged to believe in it hook line and sinker without even doubting, otherwise you'd be sinning. I just feel that religions inhibit the progress of civilisations, it's that attitude of not allowed to question things which just doesn't seem right.

[Salahudeen]

It's this type of attitude which I also dislike, something which was mentioned in a book 1400 years ago, you are obliged to believe in it hook line and sinker without even doubting, otherwise you'd be sinning. I just feel that religions inhibit the progress of civilisations, it's that attitude of not allowed to question things which just doesn't seem right.

it seems the problem lies in you doubting the Qur'an to be the word of God, I take it you don't accept the Qur'an as being divine from God?

[جوري]

That's not good enough, have you looked at why the Quran says so.

The Quran says so they'll be recognized and not harassed..
as for not good enough, well you are always free to subscribe to some other religion or ideology!


all the best

[Karl]

Covering the head and hair is considered piety in all religions not just Islam. Modest girls always cover themselves in public. Men like to wear hats too or turbins or hoods etc. Modest men cover their bodies in public also. People that show off their bodies in a civilized society are just vain posers or sex workers. Humility is important to the pious.

[Italianguy]

dont you have a wife?

Sì la donna Muslimah. I was speaking metaphoricaly i guess. My wife wears a cover (similar to hijab) to pray and in church i was kinda talking about her:D

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Sì la donna Muslimah. I was speaking metaphoricaly i guess. My wife wears a cover (similar to hijab) to pray and in church i was kinda talking about her:D

oh that's sort of funny, because im pretty sure you mentioned "Muslim" woman.
i would hate to think that you weren't fully appreciating your wife.

[Italianguy]

oh that's sort of funny, because im pretty sure you mentioned "Muslim" woman.
i would hate to think that you weren't fully appreciating your wife.

I guess i kind of worded that wrong? Excuse my English, it takes me a few min to get out what i want to say in perfect understandable english. I guess i mean when it comes to Muslim women i find the beauty in how they are not afraid to show their modesty or strength in faith to wear a cover, metaphoricaly speaking...does that make sense?

Like, when my wife wears her cover in church and in prayer, i think it is a beautiful outward expression of how she shows others her faith and modesty, and is not affraid to do it in a church where she is the only one....makes me smile:D

I totaly apreciate my wife. She is a wonderfull woman.

[CosmicPathos]

It's this type of attitude which I also dislike, something which was mentioned in a book 1400 years ago, you are obliged to believe in it hook line and sinker without even doubting, otherwise you'd be sinning. I just feel that religions inhibit the progress of civilisations, it's that attitude of not allowed to question things which just doesn't seem right.

Well that is why Muslims are called submitters by God. "We hear and we obey." Submit to God and find eternal happiness. Become a skeptic and face eternal humiliation. Muhammad's civilization was the best ever and all of them were submitters. You are making arguments from thin air that skepticism and critical reasoning leads to "progress of civilization." You have not defined what progress means and your assumption about the definition of progress probably is wrong, at least from my perspective or that of billions of Muslims.

If we say, which is probably true, that ancient societies were more religious and superstitious then we have to explain away how the heck they still made progress! We went through Bronze Age, Iron Age, Gunpowder regimes etc and what not. That is progress especially when religion held more power than it does today in society's rulers. How can you claim from nowhere that religious is the inhibitory force of society's progress (while disguising the belief that religious skepticism is the driving force of progress) especially when past societies made as much progress even when they were as it were "drowning in superstition?"

[Italianguy]

Well that is why Muslims are called submitters by God. "We hear and we obey." Submit to God and find eternal happiness. Become a skeptic and face eternal humiliation. Muhammad's civilization was the best ever and all of them were submitters. You are making arguments from thin air that skepticism and critical reasoning leads to "progress of civilization." You have not defined what progress means and your assumption about the definition of progress probably is wrong, at least from my perspective or that of billions of Muslims.

If we say, which is probably true, that ancient societies were more religious and superstitious then we have to explain away how the heck they still made progress! We went through Bronze Age, Iron Age, Gunpowder regimes etc and what not. That is progress especially when religion held more power than it does today in society's rulers. How can you claim from nowhere that religious is the inhibitory force of society's progress (while disguising the belief that religious skepticism is the driving force of progress) especially when past societies made as much progress even when they were as it were "drowning in superstition?"

Thats the spirit! Happy to see you in a more upbeat mood today Mr. Mad Sceintist:D better than the somber tone the other dayimsad. Sock it to em bro!

God be with you.

[Darth Ultor]

Let's not forget that is was Muslims who invented modern medical practices. While science was big in the Muslim world, Christian Europe was still trying to heal their sick with clergy.

[huan]

dont you have a wife?

It's not his fault if muslim women are presenting themselves like that, surely they are wanting to be seen.

[Italianguy]

It's not his fault if muslim women are presenting themselves like that, surely they are wanting to be seen.

Well, i know what she meant. She was wright. After reading what i posted again, it could be misinterpreted as me saying i look at Muslim women even though i am married. Which would be really wrong and a sin. It is not what i meant but i know what she means. I wouldn't do that, i lower my gaze around other women who may be dressed provocatively, or are trying to chat me up.

[ifirdous]

visit www.searchoftruth.com question and answers in video category

[Uthman]

Another good website on Hijab: http://www.igotitcovered.org/