Unnecessary Facebook Debate

[Life_Is_Short]

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Today i had a big debate with my sister about facebook. It was definitely unnecessary and i want to change the way she thinks.

I deleted my account because i heard some bad stories about it but my sister thinks i am socially isolating myself. Which is true because this is the only form of communication that i have with my friends and classmates. I don't take my friends seriously and I also want to cut off bad connections.


She thinks i don't know how to make friends and i prefer to be alone but she fails to understand the real reason.

It is bad. There is no dought about it. Right? :hmm: She should not be arguing and calling me a 'Loser'. :heated:

I place more importance on avoiding things that may lead you to something haram. Facebook is full of temptations. There is no benefit in it. I haven't mentioned this point to her.

Is there another way of conveying this? A way that she would understand. :exhausted

[AlbanianMuslim]

Facebook is evil in my opinion. It has, like you said, way too many temptations. It is also unsafe, no matter how many privacy boxes you check off, someone can still get to your profile and get enough information to harm you in some way. Not only that, but there is no privacy unless your entire profile is devoid of pictures and information, but then at that point you wont really even have a profile and people who do have profiles will most likely not want you added as a friend. Also, although there are some benefits to having that connection I feel it is still too risky.
I had a facebook for a while myself. It was extremely distracting and it led to bad behavior on my part. Nothing major, but still it took up time I should have spent learning and reading Quran, instead I was surfing other peoples profiles and commenting friends pictures. I realized soon enough that I had an issue and I deleted my profile for good. You cant just deactivate, you actually have to delete it to be fully rid of it so that you wont be tempted to go back.
Tell your sister there are other ways to socialize instead of facebook.

When I got rid of my facebook I found out who my real friends were in a way. The real friends email me on my private email, call me or visit me.
If a friend cant pick up the phone or you yourself call and they dont pick up, well then that is not someone who is very social.
Facebook doesnt bring people closer, it actually leaves them far apart because people no longer get up and go somewhere to talk to a friend over coffee and pictures in your hands, instead they do it on their computers.
People no longer write sweet letters to each other and mail them they send silly e-cards that really have no meaning other than some words typed or prepared for you.


Social networking sites like Myspace and facebook to me are haram. I am baffled that some muslim girls think it is ok to have over 1,000 "friends" who can see and read about their actions daily. Let alone the fact that they post images of themselves on facebook for everyone to see. Whats the point of wearing a hijab if your going to post pictures of yourself in your home on the internet? Its hypocritical in my view. Im not trying to be judgemental but I am saying from experience, facebook is no good for the soul.

[AlbanianMuslim]

P.S. an islamic forum like this one or ourislamic.com are far better for people to "socialize" than facebook ever will be for us muslims.

[Life_Is_Short]

That's exactly my point. :hmm:

Facebook is like a new virus that's infecting every young person out there.

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[Beardo]

I confess, I have a facebook. Don't bother trying to find me. I'm very secretive. You won't be able to guess the name or e-mail I use.

But anyway, I also agree it's a virus and infection. I use it to advertise some of my non-Islamic websites, but now I'm contemplating on deleting it. It's a risky website to be involved in. You can easily fall in to the evils and such.

And I'll tell you right now... Those who have FaceBook are actually those who have a hard time finding friends. Because they can't find a life on land, they go on-line to look for social interaction.

Hypocritical for me to say, since I come on IslamicBoard 24/7 lol...

[SMA89]

There is nothing wrong wit facebook. I personally dont use it because I consider it a waste of time. People spend too long on facebook and it could be very addicting. I try to avoid it because I am an outgoing person and I dont want to be addicted to it by sitting in front of a computer the whole day.

[Ramadhan]

One of the worst things about facebook is the photos that are posted on it. Your friends might have photos with you on them and post them on their profiles. You can untag them of course, but those photos are still on FB for all the world to see, unless you ask your friends to remove all photos that have you on.
And who knows there maybe some other people that are not on your friends list who could still put photos containing you on their profiles.

The most recent privacy changes by FB is so ridiculous that restrict the way you pick and choose different privacy settings for different people, and you can NOT stop FB from broadcasting EVERY moves you've made onto news feed.

I have restricted my FB profile to the max while still enabling my friends to have access, but it still is too lax.

[coddles76]

Facebook is another tool that pleases the shaytaan as it takes us away from our more meaningful duties towards Allah SWT and would agree that it is totally dangerous, putting people at risk of private information stealing and a tool to spy on people. There are many stories out there where corporations use the facebook media site as a tool to spy on people and gather information on an individual which is easy to recieve no matter how much you think you've blocked. It was purely created to spy on people and there privacy by forces that you will never believe. I will never participate in such rubbish and a waste of time. Discussing deen on IB is much more advantous

[Lynx]

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Today i had a big debate with my sister about facebook. It was definitely unnecessary and i want to change the way she thinks.

I deleted my account because i heard some bad stories about it but my sister thinks i am socially isolating myself. Which is true because this is the only form of communication that i have with my friends and classmates. I don't take my friends seriously and I also want to cut off bad connections.


She thinks i don't know how to make friends and i prefer to be alone but she fails to understand the real reason.

It is bad. There is no dought about it. Right? :hmm: She should not be arguing and calling me a 'Loser'. :heated:

I place more importance on avoiding things that may lead you to something haram. Facebook is full of temptations. There is no benefit in it. I haven't mentioned this point to her.

Is there another way of conveying this? A way that she would understand. :exhausted

You know, Islam promotes communication between Muslims. Isolating yourself from friends, especially if they are Muslims is probably something bad Islamically speaking. Community is always stressed. There are plenty of people who don't fall into temptations on Facebook or any other social medium. I personally don't have facebook but I know a lot of people that do who go on just fine. So I think to convince your sister you have to take two points into consideration:

1) how realistic is the evil associated with facebook?
2) does this evil compare the benefit of staying in touch with friends, especially since for most people having freinds and communicating is a VERY important and useful part of their life.

The key to convincing people is to understand their view of it. When you say there's no benefit from Facebook you've already lost out on convincing your sister because your premise (that there is no benefit) is a flawed one (or at least to her).

[AlbanianMuslim]

You know, Islam promotes communication between Muslims. Isolating yourself from friends, especially if they are Muslims is probably something bad Islamically speaking. Community is always stressed. There are plenty of people who don't fall into temptations on Facebook or any other social medium. I personally don't have facebook but I know a lot of people that do who go on just fine. So I think to convince your sister you have to take two points into consideration:

1) how realistic is the evil associated with facebook?
2) does this evil compare the benefit of staying in touch with friends, especially since for most people having freinds and communicating is a VERY important and useful part of their life.

The key to convincing people is to understand their view of it. When you say there's no benefit from Facebook you've already lost out on convincing your sister because your premise (that there is no benefit) is a flawed one (or at least to her).

You speak as though facebook is the only means in which to keep in touch with friends and family. Yes the evils of facebook far outnumber the goods it may have. Islamic forums such as this are wonderful if you seek knowledge and discussions on Islam.
Private email and telephone can be used for people who are too far to keep in touch with face to face.
As for those who are nearby, get up out of your computer chair, walk to your car, drive to their house, and pay them a REAL visit rather than writing on some virtual wall.

What is this garbage about being isolated if you dont have a facebook?
What were people before facebook, isolated? I dont think so. Facebook is ISOLATING people by keeping them in their homes glued to their computer screens rather than outdoors having a picnic or something with family or friends.
Thats what I call isolation. There are so many people I used to see on a weekly basis, I rarely see any of them now. When I speak up about it they say "well why dont you have a facebook anymore!" As if facebook is the only reasonable way to spend time with people when in reality you arent actually spending any time with them=isolation.

[AlbanianMuslim]

Also, on your point about Islam encouraging communication between muslims. Thats what a masjid is for! My masjid holds events for socializing with fellow muslims. Little picnics for the moms and their children, sisters activities, brothers dinners etc. Thats the type of place you go and communicate with fellow muslims. Then, as I said before, if you dont have that option, forums like this are far better than a social networking site to interact with fellow muslims.

Facebook is a disease.

[syilla]

Ukhtee...why you want to proof something to her? Just stick to your principle and InshaAllah one day she can understand why you're doing it.

Trying to proof others that what we are thinking is correct...just lead to disaster..lol

[Lynx]

I didn't say Facebook is the 'only' way to communicate with people. The OP mentioned that he does not take his friends seriously and I would have thought the Muslims here would have been quick to advise him to start taking relationships with people seriously. Unless, of course, all his friends are evil but then he just has bad taste in friends and his sister may not suffer from that same characteristic. Anyway, now I know people can communicate with others through um 'less tempting' ways like forums (this is probably not even a true statement but it won't matter) or visiting the masjid and etc. But the OP was asking for ways to convince his sister to change her mind. I was pointing out the reasons WHY someone would like facebook. If you want to change your sister's mind then you are going to have to take into consideration that 1) Facebook is an incredibly convenient way for people to stay in touch (considering busy people who cannot go to mosque as in the case with Muslimahs since they don't even have an obligation to be at the Mosque weekly) 2) it is superior to many social mediums like if you wanted to find someone you lost contact with and 3) it's not obvious that FB is so evil since there are MANY people who don't fall into temptations on FB. If someone is a strong Muslim then FB isn't much of a threat; just don't put up personally revealing information, don't put up revealing pictures and don't talk to strangers. These are common sense stuff. If you're scared of someone stumbling upon something of yours that you did not want them to find then don't put it up. If you aren't responsible enough to do that then you should really not be using the FB (Or maybe even in the internet at all).

People have different values. You can't get into an argument with someone assuming that you have the same values. You have to find things that will appeal to the values of the person you are trying to convince. I am not supporting FB or condemning it but just trying to give you the point of view a pro-FB person might have (I could be wrong tho since I don't use FB but this seems to be the thought pattern of facebookers)

[Abdul Qadir]

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Today i had a big debate with my sister about facebook. It was definitely unnecessary and i want to change the way she thinks.

I deleted my account because i heard some bad stories about it but my sister thinks i am socially isolating myself. Which is true because this is the only form of communication that i have with my friends and classmates. I don't take my friends seriously and I also want to cut off bad connections.


She thinks i don't know how to make friends and i prefer to be alone but she fails to understand the real reason.

It is bad. There is no dought about it. Right? :hmm: She should not be arguing and calling me a 'Loser'. :heated:

I place more importance on avoiding things that may lead you to something haram. Facebook is full of temptations. There is no benefit in it. I haven't mentioned this point to her.

Is there another way of conveying this? A way that she would understand. :exhausted

May Allah Guide her, you and me...Ameen...I really respect u for your religious Zeal sister...I have deleted my FaceBook acc as well...its a fitnah...i hope ur Sister realises that sooner rather than later inshallah...

[Abdul Qadir]

:sl:

Today i had a big debate with my sister about facebook.

And Please dun debate with her...There is to be no debating, arguing etc in the religion...just give her the evidence and advice..and inshallah, Allah will open her heart...

[CosmicPathos]

:sl:

Today i had a big debate with my sister about facebook. It was definitely unnecessary and i want to change the way she thinks.

I deleted my account because i heard some bad stories about it but my sister thinks i am socially isolating myself. Which is true because this is the only form of communication that i have with my friends and classmates. I don't take my friends seriously and I also want to cut off bad connections.


She thinks i don't know how to make friends and i prefer to be alone but she fails to understand the real reason.

It is bad. There is no dought about it. Right? :hmm: She should not be arguing and calling me a 'Loser'. :heated:

I place more importance on avoiding things that may lead you to something haram. Facebook is full of temptations. There is no benefit in it. I haven't mentioned this point to her.

Is there another way of conveying this? A way that she would understand. :exhausted

To the op: there is no point in debating with humans. They will stick to their views, no matter what. Unless the change comes in from inside. And I hate this talk about preaching to someone that "isolating yourself is not good." Most humans do that.

Some humans are born with the desire to be separate from other humans. No other human has the right to preach to someone to not isolate themselves, it is a culturally constructed phenomenon of socially interacting with others. Probably it is important for human survival and that is why most humans find anti-social behaviors bad because they feel that its harmful for their survival and hence they condemn the anti-social ones?

Regarding facebook, I use it to find my long forgotten friends from back home. Other than that, I have no interest in advertising my life to my "friends." they want to talk to me? Call me!

[muslimsister1]

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Hope your all in gud health, im gna admit that i do have FB acc, but i do belive it depends on the individual entirley on how they use FB. i go on evrey or evrey 2 days, jst go on for bout half hour n longer if im chattinfg with some1. i understand it can lead to evil but that is if u let it, i really do think it depends on each person's intention as to why they have a acc on FB. Apologise if i have offended anyone in the process of posting on this thread.

:wa:

[Abdul Qadir]

:sl:

i understand it can lead to evil but that is if u let it, i really do think it depends on each person's intention

:wa:

How wrong you are there sister..how wrong you are...

[S<Chowdhury]

Facebook is just ridiculous now it seems to of taken over socialising all together, people spend hours on end sitting in front of a computer screen and forget the real world. I still have a facebook account because these days people when you meet someone they always seem to ask do you have facebook? haha though i hardly use it once in a blue moon maybe if I'm really bored. It has the pro's of meeting old school friends you haven't seen in a long time i give it that but other than that do i really need to play silly little games like farmville or what ever seriously?

Facebook is more like a stalker sight, you can type in your home address, what school you attend, your phone number etc etc, and oh yeah you can put up the privacy setting to the highest but always have a feeling when people really want something they'll get it somehow or another. And when you upload your photo's onto facebook but then later on you want to delete it does it really get deleted.....apparently it stays on the facebook database so some freak could be looking at your children photo's or something.....:raging:

[muslimsister1]

How du mean brother? i may snd dumb here but please explain

[cat eyes]

:sl:i have to agree with sister albanian muslim there is just to much evil on it

people are forgetting how to socialize properly. im very old fashioned you know;D

i love writing letters me and my friends use to do it because we all went to different schools and we would not see each other so we'd slip each other a letter on the bus to see how we are getting on..but im just in my twenties and i cant believe how the world is dramatically changing...it might have something to do though with me growing up in the bog lands of Ireland ;D

But seriously and this no joke my sister joined face book and now i hardly never get a text from her :( i want her to join IB She said she would but havent heard from her since.

I Demanded that she should not put her picture up but if she puts her picture up on youtube whats to stop her putting her pict on facebook all her fiends on utube are male and they all are in there twenties and even thirties :( she said she don't chat with them but they mail her from time to time. she is just 17years old.

I Dont know really i am a bit worried at this stage imsad

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Umm I don't get to go out much. If I could I'd be as far away from the computer as possible. As for the masjid being a social network, yes it is but I dont ever get to go. No one takes me :S I'm horrible at talking on the phone. I will talk but I won't have much to say. Either I could type it to you or you have to be in front of me. So if I'm gunna talk to my friends or make plans, I do it mostly from online AND FB. Facebook is fitnah if you let it to be...all I do is post lectures articles or reminders on them and then go off. Leave my friends comments at times when I get too....that's all...

Btw, I think we had a thread about FB Before. Ok so it's not deja vu lol.

[cat eyes]

true some people cant control though. some people are weak and some people are strong they just use it for dawah purpose only but there is very few that use it as dawah i think even the most faithful of us can fall in to the traps of shayytan. might not happen now...can happen anytime of course, i learnt not to say ''it will never happen to me'' because the truth is it can happen and i have been a victim.

Alhamdulilah i have pushed and pushed myself to find friends whom i can visit from time to time Allah answered my duaa.. now i meet with these sisters every week. ive learnt so much already

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Facebook is just ridiculous now it seems to of taken over socialising all together, people spend hours on end sitting in front of a computer screen and forget the real world. I still have a facebook account because these days people when you meet someone they always seem to ask do you have facebook? haha though i hardly use it once in a blue moon maybe if I'm really bored. It has the pro's of meeting old school friends you haven't seen in a long time i give it that but other than that do i really need to play silly little games like farmville or what ever seriously?

Facebook is more like a stalker sight, you can type in your home address, what school you attend, your phone number etc etc, and oh yeah you can put up the privacy setting to the highest but always have a feeling when people really want something they'll get it somehow or another. And when you upload your photo's onto facebook but then later on you want to delete it does it really get deleted.....apparently it stays on the facebook database so some freak could be looking at your children photo's or something.....:raging:

Omg yea, I was reading about that. If you DO happen to use facebook, steer clear of posting your photos :S

Yea no matter how high ur settings are, someone could still see u one way or another. Facebook is scary, there's no lying about that...:skeleton: That's why I don't put up any private info, not even my real name! lol.


Sister cat eyes i totally agree with you. You can't say it won't happen to me coz you never know. Even by saying it you might fall into it...I've seen it happen to myself. It's almost like your challenging it :S Does that make sense? lol

[Esther462]

I think there's nothing wrong with facebook. (I'm on it right now as I'm writing this. ;D ) I have family that live all over the country so it's a nice way to keep in contact with them. 2 of my muslim friends have facebooks and they are not bothered with it. I do have 1 friend that hates facebook and managed to convice her husband to deltle his page. The rest of my friends are not bothered with facebook and don't care that I have one.

[cat eyes]

:sl:

I Dont get it really.. what is the hijab? its all about modesty right? as muslimah's we are not really meant to be showing off.. we are meant to be lowering our gazes.

a muslimah is not meant to attract people is she?? rather she's meant to ignore unwanted attention. you can argue that people see you on the road anyway wearing hijab im sorry ladies its not the same thing because on these websites you are purposely attracting unwanted attention... u are attracting evil which you will be held accountable for on judgement DAY

Im sounding boring humm yeah maybe i am but ive researched about this and i read many fatwas and hadiths and the truth of the matter is you are attracting evil and if you know well enough that pple can hack your account then why put up pictures of yourself.


i believe that if a man wants to marry you then and only then that one man should be allowed to watch your face to see if hes attracted to you but showing to the whole world your beauty ladies will possibly land you in the helfire.

IM sorry i just felt i need to let this out of my system.
:wa:

[S<Chowdhury]

I have family that live all over the country so it's a nice way to keep in contact with them.

Doesn't MSN messenger provide the same sort service?

[AlbanianMuslim]

] 1) Facebook is an incredibly convenient way for people to stay in touch (considering busy people who cannot go to mosque as in the case with Muslimahs since they don't even have an obligation to be at the Mosque weekly) 2) it is superior to many social mediums like if you wanted to find someone you lost contact with and 3) it's not obvious that FB is so evil since there are MANY people who don't fall into temptations on FB. I am not supporting FB or condemning it but just trying to give you the point of view a pro-FB person might have (I could be wrong tho since I don't use FB but this seems to be the thought pattern of facebookers)

Again, i am sorry but there are serious flaws in your reasoning especially since you do not use facebook. My observations have come from the fact that I did use facebook before I was religious. My becoming more religious helped me see the evils.
Where are you statistics that many people dont give in to temptation? As far as I know they have. Several girls I know of met guys through facebook and met with them alone. Not only was it haram but incredibly dangerous. Let alone that, but facebook also makes it easier for people to commit adultery by giving them an avenue to meet new people who they otherwise wouldn't interact with.

Some of what you are saying is very very true. If someone is careful and a very strong muslim, they may have a chance and could make good use of facebook. However, I truly believe that facebook distracts people from strengthening your deen.

Deen/iman, its like a flower that needs to be tended, watered, cared for daily. You dont just develop a deen, have it and its going to maintain itself. Facebook is incredibly distracting and it has material on there that you could easily stumble upon it and it could lead to trouble.

[AlbanianMuslim]

cateyes, very good points you make sis.

[Islam_sister]

Asalaamu Alaykum Sister..

I think you should just advise this sister and tell her how you feel and as to why you feel this way sister.

Allah knows best..
May Allah forgive us of our sins and keeps on guided on the right path of islam..Ameen

[Lynx]

Again, i am sorry but there are serious flaws in your reasoning especially since you do not use facebook. My observations have come from the fact that I did use facebook before I was religious. My becoming more religious helped me see the evils.
Where are you statistics that many people dont give in to temptation? As far as I know they have. Several girls I know of met guys through facebook and met with them alone. Not only was it haram but incredibly dangerous. Let alone that, but facebook also makes it easier for people to commit adultery by giving them an avenue to meet new people who they otherwise wouldn't interact with.

Some of what you are saying is very very true. If someone is careful and a very strong muslim, they may have a chance and could make good use of facebook. However, I truly believe that facebook distracts people from strengthening your deen.

Deen/iman, its like a flower that needs to be tended, watered, cared for daily. You dont just develop a deen, have it and its going to maintain itself. Facebook is incredibly distracting and it has material on there that you could easily stumble upon it and it could lead to trouble.

I agree with much that you said. My point is that not all Facebook users fall into evil temptations. There are evil temptations in ANY sort of social interaction including Forums. Some people have already posted on this thread talking about how they don't fall into any haram business on FB so the OP has to take this into account as well. Basically, what I am saying is that FB has a lot of benefit and if the OP wants to convince his sister that FB is bad then he's going to have to explain how the evils outweigh the benefits (which I and others have mentioned in this thread). If the OP is going to start his argument with 'i don't care if im isolated & facebook has no benefits' then he isn't going to convince anyone since there is a mutual disagreement in the initial premises of the OP's argument. There needs to be common understanding between the OP and his sister on somethings before he can convince her. Once again I am not supporting or condemning facebook i am just saying...these are some of the things the OP has to take into consideration if he wants to convince someone not to use FB.

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

*Cough*

So does it make me a bad Muslim if I'm using facebook? The fact that I'm not using it for any other purpose other than indirectly giving dawah to my relatives and all the people I know? And contact purposes? I won't even deny that haraam can be done with facebook and same goes for anything else, even this very forum.

[Asiyaah]

I think facebook is a great tool to keep in touch with friends and family who you don't see often in your day-to-day life. People move, change email address and phone numbers. At least with facebook you can message someone to get their up-to-date contact info or just communicate with them on facebook.

I agree a lot of people spend way too much time on facebook doing mindless things - like those silly games lol.

Also another issue I have with facebook is I'm constantly being invited to go out drinking - so there is the temptation issue there. But people more often invite me to haram things in person anyways.

[cat eyes]

*Cough*

So does it make me a bad Muslim if I'm using facebook? The fact that I'm not using it for any other purpose other than indirectly giving dawah to my relatives and all the people I know? And contact purposes? I won't even deny that haraam can be done with facebook and same goes for anything else, even this very forum.

YES it dose make u a bad muslim
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Just kidding ;D sis we are just talking about the dangers of the fitnah and i think it needs to be said that more and more people are falling in to it

nobody is judging anyone here who uses it. im happy im not on it cos all my old friends would find me and annoy me to go out and do haraam things with them including a boy who i use to be friends with before i reverted he even tracked down my sister on it to so its so tempting..

doing dawah is not easy though i tried :)

theres womens jamaats you can go on to give dawah to muslims.

Our ummah always comes first. we should take care of ourselves before anyone else hence why we are talking about the dangers of our muslim brothers and sisters going astray using these sites.

MAY Allah protect our ummah from these dangers ameen.
:wa:

[MMohammed]

I go with you though I myself visit Facebook often.I really dont like it but you get some updates from it.And yes, Prophet(S.A) said that dont isolate from people neither always socialize.You can do other things than facebooking like messaging, talking on phone or call your friends at home.You encouraged me to leave Facebook.looking forward to it :)

[Misz_Muslimah]

*edittt* .

[Muezzin]

Facebook is only entertaining if you have revision/coursework/homework you really should be doing instead.

[S<Chowdhury]

Facebook :"a social utility that connects you with the people around you"

Does Facebook really connect people? Doesn't it rather disconnect us, since instead of doing something enjoyable, I am merely sending them little ungrammatical notes and amusing photos in cyberspace, while chained to my desk?

Facebook appeals to a kind of vanity and self-importance in us, too. If I put up a flattering picture of myself with a list of my favourite things, I can construct an artificial representation of who I am in order to get approval or in some cases even sex!. It also encourages a disturbing competitivness around friendship: it seems that with friends today, quality counts for nothing and quantity is king. The more friends you have, the better you are. You are "popular", in the sense much loved in American high schools.

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[Life_Is_Short]

I respect my sister a lot. She talks more sense than I do most of the time. She has a lot of friends, unlike me, ones that call her when she is away at university (which is out of city) and arrange to visit when she comes back. You can therefore understand why she supports social networks.
I have a few friends, some are good but majority (I would say) are bad. By bad I mean although Muslim, they’re not much into Islam and have other (haram) interest. They advertise these on Facebook. The good ones never call or visit. They’re what I call “FB friends”. As for classmates, they hate me but for some reason I don’t understand why they added me. Like all situations I searched to find benefit in Facebook and the detriment unfortunately outweigh the benefits. The stories of what happens on Facebook is one thing. No matter how strong you are, you just can’t avoid temptations of facebook although a ‘strong’ or should I say a ‘strong Muslim’ would not take that chance. Facebook promotes temptations. Whoever came up with the idea did not have Islam or Muslims in mind.
Socially deprived or otherwise Facebook for me is a pile of garbage and i can only pray for my sister for now. imsad

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

YES it dose make u a bad muslim
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Just kidding ;D sis we are just talking about the dangers of the fitnah and i think it needs to be said that more and more people are falling in to it

nobody is judging anyone here who uses it. im happy im not on it cos all my old friends would find me and annoy me to go out and do haraam things with them including a boy who i use to be friends with before i reverted he even tracked down my sister on it to so its so tempting..

doing dawah is not easy though i tried :)

theres womens jamaats you can go on to give dawah to muslims.

Our ummah always comes first. we should take care of ourselves before anyone else hence why we are talking about the dangers of our muslim brothers and sisters going astray using these sites.

MAY Allah protect our ummah from these dangers ameen.
:wa:

People keep saying you can go to the masjid, you can go "out." Two of which unfortunately is different for me. The moment we make plans to go out or my parents go, I jump up with them to go. Why? Because I'm not a fan of sitting on the computer chair all day or just sitting period. Nobody I mean NOBODY in family goes to the masjid and I can't go due to that. I'm NOT close with any of my friends and they are not even practicing. One sister I'm friends with who is practicing but isn't exactly friend material.

So how am I supposed to go out and do any sort of dawah or have a life? Anything I've ever learned about Islam was through my parents, IB, lectures or articles online. I've never gone to a talk, let alone sat in the masjid whilst a talk is given. Maybe only four times in my life have I ever done a hangout. People quickly jump the wagon to judge and assume things without knowing both sides. Some here actually go to the extent of saying so and so is wrong. You can't class someone as wrong when you don't know a thing about them or what they do on FB.

I like and appreciate everyone here trying to advise, but do it right :S

Ok I'm done.

And ameen to your du'a sis :embarrass lol :D

[KittenLover]

women's place is in the house, specifically in the kitchen, if there's a computer in there with fb so she can chat with her relative/friends it is good because the husband can save money on fone bill, instead of standing up and talking on the fone she can talk on facebook while the mixes the dish.

you kill 2 birds with 1 stone, and the woman won't get bored in the kitchen cos she will be able to talk to her relatives in pakistan on facebook and even show them her cooking. no long distance call which make big fone bill so very good u kno.

lol jus joking, fb is ok if used for good purposes, I actually find it quite interesting that many sheikhs are on there, like muhammed al shareef, abdur raheem green, bilal phillips, naveed aziz, their connecting to the technology generation doing dawah and debating with shia's from their computer. :)

[Life_Is_Short]

women's place is in the house, specifically in the kitchen, if there's a computer in there with fb so she can chat with her relative/friends it is good because the husband can save money on fone bill, instead of standing up and talking on the fone she can talk on facebook while the mixes the dish.

you kill 2 birds with 1 stone, and the woman won't get bored in the kitchen cos she will be able to talk to her relatives in pakistan on facebook and even show them her cooking. no long distance call which make big fone bill so very good u kno.

She should really concentrate on her cooking rather than talking on facebook because otherwise her husband would have to eat her crumy food. It's either that or he has to pay for the phone bills. ;D

That's what msn is for by the way.

[cat eyes]

women's place is in the house, specifically in the kitchen, if there's a computer in there with fb so she can chat with her relative/friends it is good because the husband can save money on fone bill, instead of standing up and talking on the fone she can talk on facebook while the mixes the dish.

you kill 2 birds with 1 stone, and the woman won't get bored in the kitchen cos she will be able to talk to her relatives in pakistan on facebook and even show them her cooking. no long distance call which make big fone bill so very good u kno.

lol jus joking, fb is ok if used for good purposes, I actually find it quite interesting that many sheikhs are on there, like muhammed al shareef, abdur raheem green, bilal phillips, naveed aziz, their connecting to the technology generation doing dawah and debating with shia's from their computer. :)

i never knew that u could hear a persons voice on facebook? so u would not mind your husband showing himself to other women and other women adding him who also show there faces? just an innocent question sis?

[KittenLover]

i never knew that u could hear a persons voice on facebook? so u would not mind your husband showing himself to other women and other women adding him who also show there faces? just an innocent question sis?

you can't hear voices, it's just text chat, well you can modify settings so random people can't add you. and who said anything about putting pics up, I have facebook but no pics are up on there. and the same goes for my husband, he doesn't have his pic up either.

[KittenLover]

She should really concentrate on her cooking rather than talking on facebook because otherwise her husband would have to eat her crumy food. It's either that or he has to pay for the phone bills. ;D

That's what msn is for by the way.

her husband is used to her crummy cooking by now, he knows to say "I've never tasted food this good before" otherwise :raging:

[cat eyes]

She should really concentrate on her cooking rather than talking on facebook because otherwise her husband would have to eat her crumy food. It's either that or he has to pay for the phone bills. ;D

That's what msn is for by the way.

exactly i use msn for chatting all the time. i dont see how face book is any better

[KittenLover]

exactly i use msn for chatting all the time. i dont see how face book is any better

it isn't I was just kidding around, msn is better cos it has live video call feature so when you get stuck on cooking you can call your mum and she can watch you and instruct you how to make the food via webcam.

and you save yourself the embarressment of showing ur husband you can't cook a good curry LOL.

[cat eyes]

it isn't I was just kidding around, msn is better cos it has live video call feature so when you get stuck on cooking you can call your mum and she can watch you and instruct you how to make the food via webcam.

and you save yourself the embarressment of showing ur husband you can't cook a good curry LOL.

u better be kidding <_<

[AlbanianMuslim]

i LOVE msn i wish more people used it. Its easy to keep in touch through it and you can have a live video chat with loved ones.

[heavenlyspot]

Facebook has a lot of anti-Islamic groups and pages. I find that no matter how hard you try to complain for the removal of these groups, the more they ignore you.

Sometimes I feel like if all the Muslims were to boycott Facebook, these people wouldn't have a reason to discriminate against Islam anymore.

There are even some groups that are created by Muslims with the intention of modernizing the image of Islam, especially with issues having to do with modesty and women in Islam.

That's what I find most disturbing!! :-(

[Life_Is_Short]

Facebook has a lot of anti-Islamic groups and pages. I find that no matter how hard you try to complain for the removal of these groups, the more they ignore you.

Sometimes I feel like if all the Muslims were to boycott Facebook, these people wouldn't have a reason to discriminate against Islam anymore.

There are even some groups that are created by Muslims with the intention of modernizing the image of Islam, especially with issues having to do with modesty and women in Islam.

That's what I find most disturbing!! :-(

No way can you avoid that and like i said before whoever made facebook did not have muslims or islam in mind.

[SweetCherryPie]

I recently deleted my Facebook due to a stalker that has been emailing me at my personal email address and also, he found out my other email address (which I did not even state my real name as I used that email to register for a non-Islamic related forum) which NO ONE knows of. I felt so sick and violated, I decided to delete my Facebook as I was afraid he would find it and stalk me even more. Apart from that, Facebook is so over-rated and hyped over that it has becoming boring and just a tool for whoever to get their points across (this is done by creating groups of even the stupidest thing!).

[S<Chowdhury]

I recently deleted my Facebook due to a stalker that has been emailing me at my personal email address and also, he found out my other email address (which I did not even state my real name as I used that email to register for a non-Islamic related forum) which NO ONE knows of. I felt so sick and violated, I decided to delete my Facebook as I was afraid he would find it and stalk me even more. Apart from that, Facebook is so over-rated and hyped over that it has becoming boring and just a tool for whoever to get their points across (this is done by creating groups of even the stupidest thing!).

Not surprised that the stalkers can gain access to personal information, its pretty easy to get into somebodies account on FB. I'm glad you deleted your account sister i wouldn't trust facebook with any personal information.Some people are attracted to Facebook because they perceive that it offers some control for them over the information that they share, to be honest it really doesn't at the end of the day your information is on there database.



Chilling' cyber stalker terrorised girl with Facebook death threats for two years after she refused to go out with him

[Esther462]

Doesn't MSN messenger provide the same sort service?

My answer is most of my family daon't have MSN and they are not planning to get one.

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Forget facebook, nothing is safe. MSN, Myspace, Twitter, WHATEVER. Nothing is safe. There's no point in arguing over which is better or not. All the same nuttiness...

Just don't put up any personal info..as simple as. Not even you're email or date of birth. I don't even use my real name there.

[Cabdullahi]

everybody is hooked on facebook even at uni......:(

[Cabdullahi]

women's place is in the house, specifically in the kitchen, if there's a computer in there with fb so she can chat with her relative/friends it is good because the husband can save money on fone bill, instead of standing up and talking on the fone she can talk on facebook while the mixes the dish.

you kill 2 birds with 1 stone, and the woman won't get bored in the kitchen cos she will be able to talk to her relatives in pakistan on facebook and even show them her cooking. no long distance call which make big fone bill so very good u kno.

If women did that we'd get burnt samosas

[Ornamental]

:sl:

Today i had a big debate with my sister about facebook. It was definitely unnecessary and i want to change the way she thinks.

I deleted my account because i heard some bad stories about it but my sister thinks i am socially isolating myself. Which is true because this is the only form of communication that i have with my friends and classmates. I don't take my friends seriously and I also want to cut off bad connections.


She thinks i don't know how to make friends and i prefer to be alone but she fails to understand the real reason.

It is bad. There is no dought about it. Right? :hmm: She should not be arguing and calling me a 'Loser'. :heated:

I place more importance on avoiding things that may lead you to something haram. Facebook is full of temptations. There is no benefit in it. I haven't mentioned this point to her.

Is there another way of conveying this? A way that she would understand. :exhausted

:wa:

Sometimes you just cannot convince a person face to face no matter how hard you try.

Convincing them lies in the way you get your point across - don't let it get heated/don't let your personal feelings get in the way (i.e. the annoyance at being called a loser) and just stick to your guns.

Just be clear concise with your argument, and clear with your intention and insha'Allah it'll get through eventually.

As for this anti-social label, does she think people were born with a facebook account? ;D

[Life_Is_Short]

:wa:

Sometimes you just cannot convince a person face to face no matter how hard you try.

Convincing them lies in the way you get your point across - don't let it get heated/don't let your personal feelings get in the way (i.e. the annoyance at being called a loser) and just stick to your guns.

Just be clear concise with your argument, and clear with your intention and insha'Allah it'll get through eventually.

I'm almost immune to being called a "loser". This does not bother me anymore.

As for this anti-social label, does she think people were born with a facebook account? ;D

What do you mean?

[Ornamental]

I'm almost immune to being a called "loser". This does not bother me anymore.

Alhamdulillah :) didn't mean to insinuate that you were, just put it in there anyway.

What do you mean?

I'm rather tickled by the equation of a facebook account to a social life. I know you already said that this is the only form of communication between you and others, but it doesn't compare to speaking to people face to face. Just being with family is being more social!

It was just a lame comment meaning, people had social lives before facebook existed. :)

[Banu_Hashim]

I need to stop myself going on facebook too! It's a waste of time, I swear- no benefit in it. I think all I need to get in contact with people is a phone, and perhaps skype/msn to chat online, that's it. Make du'aa for the brothers and sister to stop unnecessary facebooking (me being on the top of that list) inshaAllah!

[Italianguy]

Facebook is boring now, i only use it to reconnect with old friends and family.....some friends i don't want to..

[Ummu Sufyaan]

:sl:
i dont understand this obsession some people seem to have with facebook. for god sake, since when do you want/let random strangers know you first and last name? would you really in real life go around showing your photo albums to everyone :hmm:

[MMohammed]

Yah.Exactly ^^.
Your privacy is much lost on Facebook.

[MMohammed]

Yah.Exactly ^^.
Your privacy is much lost on Facebook.

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Are you guys SKIPPING OVER my posts?? NOT EVERYONE PUTS THEIR PICTURES AND/OR INFO!!!!!!!! HELLOOOOOOOO pay attention :S If you can't control yourself then get off it, simple.

[Cabdullahi]

Are you guys SKIPPING OVER my posts?? NOT EVERYONE PUTS THEIR PICTURES AND/OR INFO!!!!!!!! HELLOOOOOOOO pay attention :S If you can't control yourself then get off it, simple.

^ Newyonker gone bonkers audhubillah!

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Nah I'm just getting a lil annoyed here. People are repeating the same thing as if we all do haraam on FB, meanwhile not all of us do it. And I tend use facebook as a way for me to put down my thoughts or even write stuff. I have family on there who are not practising and so i put videos up, articles and my thoughts to it, so they look at it and they do...alhamdulillah.

[Life_Is_Short]

Nah I'm just getting a lil annoyed here. People are repeating the same thing as if we all do haraam on FB, meanwhile not all of us do it. And I tend use facebook as a way for me to put down my thoughts or even write stuff. I have family on there who are not practising and so i put videos up, articles and my thoughts to it, so they look at it and they do...alhamdulillah.

Mash'Allah sister, keep up the good work.

[Cabdullahi]

Im not on facebook because of only one thing 'wholesale giveaway of my identity' ,

keeping in contact with my friends and relatives is good but when i share with them intricate details about what im wearing, what im doing and going to do on a daily basis that i have a problem with because the face-book owners work with the government as i have come to know and they can do anything with those intricate details....they could even use your identity to make passports like those mossad agents who killed the hamas military leader in dubai.

one has to be careful

[cat eyes]

Nah I'm just getting a lil annoyed here. People are repeating the same thing as if we all do haraam on FB, meanwhile not all of us do it. And I tend use facebook as a way for me to put down my thoughts or even write stuff. I have family on there who are not practising and so i put videos up, articles and my thoughts to it, so they look at it and they do...alhamdulillah.

mashaAllah :):clever: lol
:wub:xx

[SweetCherryPie]

Nah I'm just getting a lil annoyed here. People are repeating the same thing as if we all do haraam on FB, meanwhile not all of us do it. And I tend use facebook as a way for me to put down my thoughts or even write stuff. I have family on there who are not practising and so i put videos up, articles and my thoughts to it, so they look at it and they do...alhamdulillah.

I know, right?

You don't even have to put your real name. Some people put pictures of animals, nature or even cartoons. No big deal.

[SMA89]

Like the topic says "UNNECESSARY Facebook Debate"
If you like it, then use it and if you dont like it then dont use it.
Simple as that.
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[Life_Is_Short]

Moderators can you please close this thread.

Jazak'Allah Khair

[roohani.doctor]

Are you guys SKIPPING OVER my posts?? NOT EVERYONE PUTS THEIR PICTURES AND/OR INFO!!!!!!!! HELLOOOOOOOO pay attention :S If you can't control yourself then get off it, simple.

LOL :D

facebook can be used in a "halal" way :)

[Muezzin]

Moderators can you please close this thread.

Jazak'Allah Khair

You want it, you got it.