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Beardo
02-21-2010, 11:36 PM
Sana Rahim was born in the cowboy country of southeastern Wyoming, to Pakistani parents who had emigrated so her father could earn a doctorate.

She speaks Urdu with her family, but can't read or write the language. She recites prayers in Arabic, but doesn't know exactly what each word means.

Now a 20-year-old junior at Northwestern University, she, like many other American-born Muslims, is most comfortable with sermons and lectures in English, although they can't always find U.S. mosques that offer them.

"I don't really get the time to study Arabic," Rahim said. "With all the different groups in America, English is a unifying thing that ties us together."

Like Jewish immigrants who fought over English-language prayer and Roman Catholics who resisted the new Mass in English, U.S. Muslims are waging their own debate about how much English they can use inside mosques without violating Islamic law and abandoning their culture.

The issue is part of a broader discussion within the Muslim community about young U.S. Muslims and their alienation from American mosques. Houses of worship founded by older immigrant Muslims often held fast to the culture and language of their native countries. For them, English in the mosque threatened Muslim identity. Their American-born children, however, can't relate.

"This is a constant problem talked about — young people in mosques," said Shahed Amanullah, co-founder of salatomatic.com, which lists thousands of mosques and reviews from users. "It's not just about the Friday prayers. It's the response that mosques have to the cultural reality of growing up Muslim in America. If young people don't find what they need in the mosque, they'll find it on the Internet."

The language of obligatory Friday prayers, called juma, is not part of the debate; those prayers must be in Arabic, the language of the Quran. The disagreement focuses on whether that requirement should extend to the sermon, or khutba, on Fridays, the Muslim day of congregational prayer, and other assemblies in the mosque.

Imams and scholars who insist on using Arabic say it's mandatory because the Prophet Muhammad gave his sermons in the language. Others say that Muhammad used Arabic only because it was what he and his community spoke, and that Islam is a universal faith.

On suhaibwebb.com, a Web forum for Muslims in the West, writer Abu Majeed said in a post last month that while his English-language sermons were accepted without protest at several U.S. mosques, he was derided by one South Florida congregation as a modernist who violated Islamic law. Foreign-born imams, or prayer leaders, who moved here to serve immigrant communities, have sometimes reinforced the thinking that only Arabic is acceptable. Other mosques might use Arabic and Urdu — a language from Pakistan, India and elsewhere in Asia — but no English.

"My worry is that younger people who do not find the mosque a satisfying experience, and women who find it a hostile environment, will drift away from the mosque," said Abdullahi An-Na'im, a specialist in Islamic law at Emory University School of Law. "That means the mosque will become the exclusive domain of a very archaic understanding of Islam."

'Blind leading the blind'
On a recent Friday, at the Islamic Cultural Center of New York, Imam Mohamed Shamsi Ali climbed the narrow stairs to the top of the mimbar, or pulpit, and began his sermon in English. The mosque is one of the largest in the city and attracts a diverse group of Muslims who sat shoulder-to-shoulder on the carpeted floor.

Shamsi Ali spoke about the need for a positive outlook, human dignity and connecting prayer and fasting with behavior. He underscored his points by quoting Arabic verses from the Quran. The imam is Indonesian and a fluent English speaker who said later in an interview that he struggles with all the invitations he receives to lecture Muslim student groups.

"My schedule is tight because I'm among the very few who can address the English-only speakers," Shamsi Ali said.

Some imams bridge the language gap by giving a lecture in English and a short sermon in Arabic at Friday prayer. But only the sermon and the prayer are obligatory. As a result, many people skip the English-language talk, even if they don't understand the Arabic sermon, said Asad Ba-Yunus, 35, an attorney in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., and board member for the Islamic Society of North America.

Muslims of South Asian descent often have a particularly strong attachment to using Arabic for sermons because it is a tradition in mosques in their native countries. About one-third of Muslims in the United States are of South Asian descent.

Amanullah, 41, said he found a particularly dramatic example of the problem in a predominantly South Asian mosque he visited one Friday in California. The prayer leader read a sermon written in Arabic, even though neither he nor the worshippers understood the language.

"It was the blind leading the blind," Amanullah said. "Nobody in the room knew what the sermon was about. It could have been a recipe for baba ghanoush and no one would have been the wiser."

Location matters. In small communities comprised of immigrants from many countries, the prayer leaders have no choice but to use English so they can be understood. However, in major cities, immigrants usually arrive in such large numbers that they can find a mosque where their native language is spoken.

The growing number of American-born Muslims is likely to force a resolution of the issue.

Imam Hassan al-Qazwini leads the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Mich., a community with a mix of recent immigrants and families who have been in the U.S. for generations.

When he first arrived at the center in 1997, he noticed most of the mosques in the Dearborn area used Arabic only. He decided to give his sermon first in English, then in Arabic to serve English speakers. He also lectures in English on Friday nights for young Muslims and again on Sundays, even though some older attendees speak only their native language.

"Some people say I'm too Americanized," said al-Qazwini. "I would say I'm being realistic. We have to be realistic. There are more and more Muslims who are born into this faith in America and there are more and more people who are converting to this faith in America and these are non-Arabic people."


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Asiyah3
02-21-2010, 11:53 PM
Why not hold a sermon in both English and Arabic?
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AlbanianMuslim
02-22-2010, 12:01 AM
I have 3 masjids 5 to 15 minutes from my house but the imams there will only do the sermons in Urdu or Arabic. The closest one, only in Urdu.
So we have to drive 30 minutes away to hear it in English (they do it arabic too) because we dont have any Albanian mosques nearby. Closest one is 45 minutes away.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-22-2010, 12:39 AM
Why would there be a debate over using English in the mosque? How else do they expect people to understand? lol. I mean if I go to a masjid only to find they do Arabic there, what use is it for me when I won't understand? I could listen to Urdu obviously and even then mine is limited lol. You have people of all backgrounds coming to one masjid, so it would make sense to speak in a language they understand :S

Also how would this be any beneficial for reverts who don't know Arabic at ALL ??? If you have a non Muslim coming to the masjid to learn or listen to a talk, how in the world will they know what you're saying?

I don't get it, why even this issue?

format_quote Originally Posted by _muslim_
Why not hold a sermon in both English and Arabic?
This would less complicate matters.
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Beardo
02-22-2010, 12:45 AM
Over here where I live, I think everyone does both English and Arabic Khutbahs...
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-22-2010, 12:48 AM
I don't know if my masjid does Arabic but it does English. Imagine a non Arabic speaker coming to listen to a Khutbah to boost their imaan and they don't comprehend anything you're saying :hmm:

What's the point? Or would you have subtitles on the screen lol or a translator. They should have both, coz u will have foreigners who won't fully understand English.
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noorseeker
02-22-2010, 12:51 AM
In our masjid mashallah , the sermon is in urdu downstairs, and upstairs there is a person siitong on another mimbar with his headphones on translating what the imam is saying in urdu,

its really good, we get the best of both worlds, keep the elders happy, and the non urdu speakers happy.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-22-2010, 12:52 AM
^^MashaAllah that's a good idea.
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noorseeker
02-22-2010, 12:58 AM
Mashallah they only been doing it for two years or so, i dont think any one thought of it before, and think we are the only masjid that does it in our city, i think


Before me and my friends used to say the imam says good stuff, but we dont know what he,s saying.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-22-2010, 12:59 AM
^^lol see that's what I mean. You want people to gain benefit from a khutbah, not just have it go in one ear and out the other.
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Woodrow
02-22-2010, 01:16 AM
I think that the USA will soon be presenting a reason for a deeper and fuller understanding of Islam, if Bi'dah is to be prevented.

While there are numerous people here who speak Arabic as a first language, the majority of American Arabs are not Muslim. This causes some confusion for recent reverts as many reverts are under the assumption that all Arabic speaking people are Muslim.


I first became aware of this in Shreveport Louisiana long before I reverted. The oldest church in Shreveport is Roman Catholic, what makes it unusual is that many of the stained glass windows have under them Bible quotes written in Arabic and the Architecture of the Church is Arabic. Arabic names are fairly common in Shreveport and some of the oldest families are Arabic. But they are nearly all Roman Catholic. The same is true in other US communities.

English seems to be the only language understood by virtually all US Muslims. For most American Muslims to understand the Khut'bah it has to be said in English. Hopefully this will be a temporary condition and over time all American Muslims will speak Arabic at least as a second language. Inshallah.
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noorseeker
02-22-2010, 01:20 AM
even in english , it will go in one ear and out the other

but still good to have, well it makes me go early to the masjid, lol
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-22-2010, 02:04 AM
^^Well then for those whom it goes in one ear and out the other, something will be absorbed :D Better than nothing.
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CosmicPathos
02-22-2010, 02:39 AM
Well my whole life in Saudi involved listening to Arabic khutba of which I did not understand a bit. They dont have non-Arabic khutbas there and probably rightly so? Its their country, Arabs, Arabic is their language, makes little sense to have a khutba in English or Urdu there. For them giving a Khutba in non-Arabic language would be tantamount to Bidah.

I guess US situation is different and I hope the scholars in Saudi will accept that English khutbas in US are not a bidah.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-22-2010, 03:21 AM
And why are we listenin to them over there?? They live in a country that is originally Arabic speaking and they wana declare it bid'ah to use it in AMERICA, where the main language is English? Lol wat is this nonsense...
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titus
02-22-2010, 03:23 AM
I guess US situation is different and I hope the scholars in Saudi will accept that English khutbas in US are not a bidah.
Surely they would not be any less accepted than those in Urdu?
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north_malaysian
02-22-2010, 03:53 AM
in Malaysia most of the mosques the Friday Sermon in Standard Malaysian language (not in dialects) with some Arabic words (like 10% of the sermon)...

I've been to Masjid India in Kuala Lumpur, the Friday Sermon is in Tamil with some Arabic (just like the Malay mosques)

In International Islamic University Malaysia Grand Mosque, the sermon is 1/3 Arabic, 1/3 English and 1/3 Malaysian...
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Italianguy
02-22-2010, 04:01 AM
They should use Italian.....sounds better than english....sorry Brits
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Rabi Mansur
02-22-2010, 04:13 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Italianguy
They should use Italian.....sounds better than english....sorry Brits
Or even better yet, just say it in Latin. Too bad the Catholics have drifted from the pure tongue ;-)

:wa:
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Italianguy
02-22-2010, 04:23 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by rabimansur
Or even better yet, just say it in Latin. Too bad the Catholics have drifted from the pure tongue ;-)

:wa:
True, i used to speak latin in mass. I also learned Greek form being in an Greek Orthodox church.......latin was sooooo boring, and no one else uses it, like you said.
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Al-Indunisiy
02-22-2010, 07:32 AM
:sl:

Quote:
Originally Posted by rabimansur
Or even better yet, just say it in Latin. Too bad the Catholics have drifted from the pure tongue ;-)



True, i used to speak latin in mass. I also learned Greek form being in an Greek Orthodox church.......latin was sooooo boring, and no one else uses it, like you said.
Hey!! Latin is one of the most beautiful ancient languages I've ever heard and partly used.
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Supreme
02-22-2010, 04:18 PM
Well, surely they should use English, as most people in America, Muslim or otherwise, speak that language.
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CosmicPathos
02-22-2010, 04:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Well, surely they should use English, as most people in America, Muslim or otherwise, speak that language.
But of course this is a result of colonial masters of the past. I desire that this changes and Arabic be a dominant language. Someday God willing.
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Supreme
02-22-2010, 04:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist
But of course this is a result of colonial masters of the past. I desire that this change and Arabic be a dominant language. Someday God willing.
Oh, well as long as you desire it...

Hey, why not demand other incredibly (un)realistic desires for America's future- why stop at hoping Arabic will someday become the national language? How about the relinquishment of US nuclear missiles, or the economic system turning communist?
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Hayaa
02-22-2010, 04:37 PM
:sl:

I thought that the khutba was SUPPOSED to be in Arabic, Islamically?
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CosmicPathos
02-22-2010, 04:40 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Oh, well as long as you desire it...

Hey, why not demand other incredibly (un)realistic desires for America's future- why stop at hoping Arabic will someday become the national language? How about the relinquishment of US nuclear missiles, or the economic system turning communist?
well desiring something is the first steps towards attaining it. You have much to discover.

I have no problem with US economic system turning communist. Might be for the good of its people. Capitalism has already ruined people there.

I believe you are from the UK. Well your country already has socialized healthcare.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-22-2010, 04:41 PM
@ Sis hayaa: Then how would you understand? Unless you had someone translate it, which would not be any different if the person said it in English in the first place..:/
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CosmicPathos
02-22-2010, 04:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
@ Sis hayaa: Then how would you understand? Unless you had someone translate it, which would not be any different if the person said it in English in the first place..:/
???????????? ooh its@ sis hayaa
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Supreme
02-22-2010, 04:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist
well desiring something is the first steps towards attaining it. You have much to discover.

I have no problem with US economic system turning communist. Might be for the good of its people. Capitalism has already ruined people there.
Oh, don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with desiring things, however unrealistic. Desiring things brings hope, and hope is one of the best things in life.
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CosmicPathos
02-22-2010, 04:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Oh, don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with desiring things, however unrealistic. Desiring things brings hope, and hope is one of the best things in life.
Well what one man sees as unrealistic might be another's destiny. Anyways.
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noorseeker
02-22-2010, 04:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hayaa
:sl:

I thought that the khutba was SUPPOSED to be in Arabic, Islamically?
Khutbah has to be in arabic

its the bayan, the talk before the 4 sunnats we pray
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-22-2010, 05:02 PM
^^No one is answering any of my questions.

Please explain to me why I must hear it in Arabic when I don't speak it? How is it of any benefit to me if I don't know what the guy would be saying? Not just me but all those who don't know it. So basically every khutbah I listen to I'll never learn a thing. Unless I record it or someone else does and they translate. Meanwhile you could save time in the first place and do it in English? Or as you mentioned before, have both English and Arabic.

It's just the same if I pray and I don't comprehend any of the words but the difference here is that for salah it has to be in Arabic.
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CosmicPathos
02-22-2010, 05:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
^^No one is answering any of my questions.

Please explain to me why I must hear it in Arabic when I don't speak it? How is it of any benefit to me if I don't know what the guy would be saying? Not just me but all those who don't know it. So basically every khutbah I listen to I'll never learn a thing. Unless I record it or someone else does and they translate. Meanwhile you could save time in the first place and do it in English? Or as you mentioned before, have both English and Arabic.

It's just the same if I pray and I don't comprehend any of the words but the difference here is that for salah it has to be in Arabic.
Well I dont know .... Its like saying why should Islam be in Arabic when majority of the world did not understand Arabic ...
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-22-2010, 05:16 PM
No it's not like saying that.

I would like an answer. It's a genuine question. I'm not asking for fun.
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CosmicPathos
02-22-2010, 05:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
No it's not like saying that.

I would like an answer. It's a genuine question. I'm not asking for fun.
why not? :hmm:
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-22-2010, 05:21 PM
^^ Islam was revealed in Arabic at the time for a nation as were other revelations. The only difference here is that Islam is for mankind and not just Arabs.

What I'm asking is why it "must" be done when I won't have a clue as to what the guy is saying? If you're supposed to go to a khutbah to learn something and even boost your emaan, how will I gain that benefit when I haven't the slightest of a clue as to what the person is saying?

I don't want to keep repeating myself only to get a sarcastic answer. I really would like an answer. Everyone is saying it should be done in Arabic, fine. At least help me out and give me a reason as to why. I'm not committing a crime by asking am I?

Btw, I'm not asking because I want to counteract Islams stance on this. If I don't understand something, it bothers me so I ask. Once I get the proper answer, I stick to it like glue. Me questioning is what got me this far, other than Allahs guidance on me walhamdulillah.
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CosmicPathos
02-22-2010, 05:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
^^ Islam was revealed in Arabic at the time for a nation as were other revelations. The only difference here is that Islam is for mankind and not just Arabs.

What I'm asking is why it "must" be done when I won't have a clue as to what the guy is saying? If you're supposed to go to a khutbah to learn something and even boost your emaan, how will I gain that benefit when I haven't the slightest of a clue as to what the person is saying?

I don't want to keep repeating myself only to get a sarcastic answer. I really would like an answer. Everyone is saying it should be done in Arabic, fine. At least help me out and give me a reason as to why. I'm not committing a crime by asking am I?

Well if most people in that masjid are Arabs, would you really want them to do it in some other language? I dont know.I understand your situation too but I guess you can start going to a masjid where its in English.
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noorseeker
02-22-2010, 05:30 PM
sister i dont know where to look to get you a hadith to verify this.

Its like the when you read salat, you have to read in arabic, end of,
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-22-2010, 05:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist
Well if most people in that masjid are Arabs, would you really want them to do it in some other language? I dont know.I understand your situation too but I guess you can start going to a masjid where its in English.
Are you sure you understand what I'm saying? I don't think you do.

Everyone seems to be saying it's supposed to be in Arabic, so why are you even saying to go to a masjid with English?

The general thought of most people from what I see is that, it's supposed to be in Arabic therefore NO English and as per these Saudi scholars and foreign speakers.

I can't seem to put my thoughts across now after your statement. My masjid already does it in English and so I'm asking is it wrong to do it in English if it's supposed to be in Arabic? And if so, why? So I'm looking for a response to this question, based on what I said.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-22-2010, 05:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by nightstar
sister i dont know where to look to get you a hadith to verify this.

Its like the when you read salat, you have to read in arabic, end of,
End of, that's very nice of you :skeleton:

It's the same but then it isn't. This is why I'm asking. I don't know how else to get my point across.

The words in salaah you repeat EVERYDAY! Those words I can find out the meaning to and understand, which I have Alhamdulillah. The words in salaah are the same words you would say everyday, five times a day and they aren't that many. Khutbahs are different all the time. It's not like I can memorize one and know every other Khutbah. So it's NOT the same.

I wouldn't be getting ANYTHING out of that Khutbah if I haven't a DARN CLUE as to what he's saying. So I'm asking why is it a "must." I'm sure understanding it is more important than just hearing a bunch of words in Arabic? Like for the Qur'aan, you get the reward obviously for reading it, but what benefit is it there for you if you don't understand the Speech of Allah? I would get the reward of memorizing and reading it in Arabic, but I won't have a clue. And even for the Qur'aan, those words will remain written somewhere, the same way and eventually I'd learn Arabic for the sake of the Qur'aan. InshaAllah this is what I want to do. When I do happen to learn inshaAllah, down the line I could sit and listen to one being done in Arabic. But right now I don't know and so I gotta listen to one without understanding?

And it all boils down to this, have both English and Arabic as was mentioned.

Wallahi all I want is a proper answer. I'm losing my energy repeating, typing so much and thinking of ways to get my point across. It's like you guys are almost answering but then you're not. You're not wrong but I don't see a complete answer...

JazakAllah Khair in advance when someone does answer.

:sl:
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KittenLover
02-22-2010, 05:52 PM
I thought khutba had to be in the language of the majority of the people in the masjid, so if the majority of people only speak arabic it has to be in arabic.

if the majority of people speak Urdu it has to be in urdu, if the majority of people in the masjid speak english it has to be in english.

that's what my imam says, in our masjid they have alternating khutba's since there is a mixture of urdu speakers and english speakers.

one week they have it in urdu then the next week they have it in english so both people can take benefit from it.
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cat eyes
02-22-2010, 05:56 PM
if i attend any lectures at the mosque and if there is more urdu speaking people there so they will speak in urdu... but we always have a little English translating circle so mostly they speak in English Alhamdulilah
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KittenLover
02-22-2010, 05:56 PM
the weekly khutba is like an emaan boster/rush. The Muslim's gather every week on Friday to discuss the affairs of the Muslim's and the condition of the ummah and what can be done to solve the problems of the ummah.

I can't see this hapenning if no 1 understands what is being talked about. what youth is going to wanna sit for half an hour listening to something he can't understand and take any benefit from, we want to get youth in the masjid not out of it.

many of the youth feel alienated when it's in a language they don't understand and it just seems pointless being there.

an interesting thing is, the masjid where the khutba is in english, you see all the youngsters who grew up in the west going there and the masjid where the khutba is in arabic, you see the parents dragging their kids there and forcing them to sit there and lsiten.
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cat eyes
02-22-2010, 06:02 PM
i believe there should always be somebody translating the words.. if they don't then thats just plain ignorance really and the young people will not care to go there anymore so this is a very serious matter that needs to be addressed
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KittenLover
02-22-2010, 06:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by cat eyes
i believe there should always be somebody translating the words.. if they don't then thats just plain ignorance really and the young people will not care to go there anymore so this is a very serious matter that needs to be addressed
exactly when I was little and there was a talk in arabic I literally fell asleep, it was so painful I couldn't wait to get out of there, the only thing that stopped me from getting up is I was sitting at the front and loads of people were behind me and they all would've looked at me getting up and I hate attention being on me even for a second :raging:
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-22-2010, 06:08 PM
:sl:

This is what I have been saying for many posts now :exhausted

But also I would like the question clarified by someone who knows properly.
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KittenLover
02-22-2010, 06:09 PM
I think it is dependant upon the madhab of the masjid, but I'm not really sure.
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Uthman
02-22-2010, 07:36 PM
I think there is Ikhtilaf (difference of opinion) on the issue of whether the Khutba should be in Arabic. I happen to know that Sheikh Yasir Qadhi is of the opinion that the Khutba should be delivered in the vernacular of the people.

I found this from islamqa: http://islamqa.com/en/ref/112041/
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Muezzin
02-22-2010, 09:00 PM
Some imams bridge the language gap by giving a lecture in English and a short sermon in Arabic at Friday prayer.
Most imams at all the Friday prayers I've attended have taken this route. Provided they can speak English in the first place that is. If not, they'll give the lecture in, say, Urdu, and the short sermon in Arabic.

They basically adopt the language of (what they perceive to be) most of the people assembled.
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Italianguy
02-22-2010, 09:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin
Most imams at all the Friday prayers I've attended have taken this route. Provided they can speak English in the first place that is. If not, they'll give the lecture in, say, Urdu, and the short sermon in Arabic.

They basically adopt the language of (what they perceive to be) most of the people assembled.
Well, you just answered my next question.

If I were a Muslim in Italy, would they use Italian or Sardo? Or Arabic only? I know the Qur'an is meant to be read in Arabic but is it obligitory to learn Arabic? Or would one be able to find a Qur'an in Italian.....just an example:embarrass

I have an english/Arabic version of the Qur'an i have been reading....but it would be much easier for me to have an Italian/Sardo version.

Thank you ahead of time for your answers.:D

God be with you.
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aadil77
02-22-2010, 09:07 PM
No need to debate, just have a bayan (lecture) in english about half an hour before the khutbah and khutbah in arabic
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Woodrow
02-22-2010, 09:17 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
No need to debate, just have a bayan (lecture) in english about half an hour before the khutbah and khutbah in arabic
That should work and satisfy everybody. You are correct, there really is no reason for it to become an issue.
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Musliman
02-22-2010, 09:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by _muslim_
Why not hold a sermon in both English and Arabic?
My thought exactly ;)
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Italianguy
02-22-2010, 09:36 PM
Is there an Italian translated version of Qur'an?
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Musliman
02-22-2010, 09:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Italianguy
Is there an Italian translated version of Qur'an?
Of course there is, did you hear about that Kadhafi trick when girls have been waiting for him with the Quran ? :D

Quran In Italian:)
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aadil77
02-22-2010, 09:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Italianguy
Is there an Italian translated version of Qur'an?
Most probably, quran is always read in arabic tho, unless you're explaining the meaning in another language
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aadil77
02-22-2010, 09:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Musliman
Of course there is, did you hear about that Kadhafi trick when girls have been waiting for him with the Quran ? :D

Quran In Italian:)
that was no trick, it was his stupid fantasy to call 500 'beautiful' italian girls and try and do dawah to them, what kind of dawah is it if you discriminate against people who aren't 'beautiful'
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Musliman
02-22-2010, 10:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
that was no trick, it was his stupid fantasy to call 500 'beautiful' italian girls and try and do dawah to them, what kind of dawah is it if you discriminate against people who aren't 'beautiful'
Of course, Kadhafi is an abnormal creature :phew
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Hayaa
02-23-2010, 01:06 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
:sl:

This is what I have been saying for many posts now :exhausted

But also I would like the question clarified by someone who knows properly.
Assalaamualaikum sis :) If you have the time, read through this link. InshaAllaah it'll be useful.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14131555/O...Arabic-Khutbah
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Karl
02-23-2010, 03:13 AM
I think it is best to be authentic, so all sermons and so forth are spoken in Arabic in the mosques. Paper translations could be provided for the non Arabic speaking people to read at attendance. This would preserve the culture of Islam and stop it morphing into something else. If everything is changed to English the next thing you know you would get Pepsi Cola funded Rock bands playing along side Friday prayers. LOL
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Italianguy
02-23-2010, 03:22 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
that was no trick, it was his stupid fantasy to call 500 'beautiful' italian girls and try and do dawah to them, what kind of dawah is it if you discriminate against people who aren't 'beautiful'
Really? I no hear of this? 500! Dude....i'm sooooo joining the Ummah
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Italianguy
02-23-2010, 03:23 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Musliman
Of course there is, did you hear about that Kadhafi trick when girls have been waiting for him with the Quran ? :D

Quran In Italian:)
Hey, Thank you for the link:D
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Musliman
02-23-2010, 07:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Italianguy
Hey, Thank you for the link:D
That's nothing, you're welcome and I hope the best for you :)
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-23-2010, 09:03 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Karl
I think it is best to be authentic, so all sermons and so forth are spoken in Arabic in the mosques. Paper translations could be provided for the non Arabic speaking people to read at attendance. This would preserve the culture of Islam and stop it morphing into something else. If everything is changed to English the next thing you know you would get Pepsi Cola funded Rock bands playing along side Friday prayers. LOL
That is hardly an analogy :skeleton: Those things are completely opposite of each other.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-23-2010, 09:04 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hayaa
Assalaamualaikum sis :) If you have the time, read through this link. InshaAllaah it'll be useful.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14131555/O...Arabic-Khutbah

JazakAllah Khayr sis. InshaAllah I will read it.
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Uthman
02-23-2010, 09:25 PM
Another good link on the language of the Khutbah: http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-stud...of-the-khutbah
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Karl
02-24-2010, 09:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
That is hardly an analogy :skeleton: Those things are completely opposite of each other.
Don't be so complacent it happened in Christianity, only male voices singing plain chant in Latin was allowed in the old Christian Church. Then later musical instruments were allowed and other languages until today they play rock concerts and make a circus of Christianity. Change is a slippery slope, these changes are done incrementally and insideously, this abomination could happen to Islam also if these kind of changes/reforms are permitted.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-25-2010, 02:45 AM
Excuse me? You don't need to be rude. And frankly I said nothing about whether it could happen or not, that's aside from what I'm talking about.

Allahu Musta'an...
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ardianto
02-25-2010, 05:04 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
While there are numerous people here who speak Arabic as a first language, the majority of American Arabs are not Muslim.
The majority of American Muslims are not Arabs, the majority of American Arabs are not Muslim.

(Source : Newsweek)
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ardianto
02-25-2010, 05:15 AM
More than 99.% of Indonesian masjids give khutbah in Indonesian or local/regional language.
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Al-Indunisiy
02-25-2010, 11:28 AM
:sl:

format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
More than 99.% of Indonesian masjids give khutbah in Indonesian or local/regional language.
Ditto!


:wa:
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Karl
02-26-2010, 03:48 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
Excuse me? You don't need to be rude. And frankly I said nothing about whether it could happen or not, that's aside from what I'm talking about.

Allahu Musta'an...
Are you talking to me? Sorry to offend if you are, I have just put out my thoughts on the subject. But it really dose not matter. It has been forseen that the Religions will all fall, the people will be seduced by the Anti Christ. Haven't we all become just numbers now not people in our own right. A world of papers and numbers and facsism and fear. Slaves to Godless States?imsad
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transition?
02-26-2010, 04:16 AM
......................................
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
02-26-2010, 05:08 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Karl
Are you talking to me? Sorry to offend if you are, I have just put out my thoughts on the subject. But it really dose not matter. It has been forseen that the Religions will all fall, the people will be seduced by the Anti Christ. Haven't we all become just numbers now not people in our own right. A world of papers and numbers and facsism and fear. Slaves to Godless States?imsad

Yea I was, considering what that word means...and I said nothing of the sort that you mentioned...:( Khayr...no big.

Yea sooo I understand all that and know that but that's not what I was talking about bro...and I don't remember anymore now...:/
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ardianto
02-26-2010, 01:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Al-Indunisiy
Ditto!
Ditto ?, he's my friend. ;D

Okay, back to topic. I did not say 100% because there are masjid in Indonesia that give khutbah in Arabic language, but those are rare, less than one for every a hundred masjids.

I remember when I was in high school, I went to rural area in Friday and salah juma'ah in a village masjid. In this masjid, the khatib gave khutbah in Arabic. There was an unique thing. If in other masjids, khatib gives khutbah twice, in this masjid khatib gave khutbah once. The second khutbah was given by 'co-khatib' (also in Arabic) who stood beside the mimbar while his right hand grabbed a spear.
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north_malaysian
02-26-2010, 11:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
More than 99.% of Indonesian masjids give khutbah in Indonesian or local/regional language.
i've heard that we will be having Chinese language mosques in Malaysia for the 200,000 Chinese Muslims here...
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AlbanianMuslim
02-27-2010, 12:50 AM
Wait.....lol....can someone tell me what this Kaddafi nonesense is about? What did he do?


As for the "issue" I dont get why its being debated, I would imagine that the Sheiks, imams and scholars across the world would want khutbha available in every language as to spread the beliefs further.
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ardianto
02-27-2010, 03:24 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by AlbanianMuslim
Wait.....lol....can someone tell me what this Kaddafi nonesense is about? What did he do?
What did Kaddafi do ?....... Established World Islamic Call Society (WICS).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Islamic_Call_Society




Qaddafy Islamic Center at Babakan Madang village, Bogor, Indonesia. Funded by WICS.
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ardianto
02-27-2010, 03:28 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian
i've heard that we will be having Chinese language mosques in Malaysia for the 200,000 Chinese Muslims here...
Which Chinese language ?. Mandarin, canton, Hakka, Kek, other ?. :)

Few years ago I read on article, there was salah Taraweeh with khutbah in English at Indonesia. That was because the jama'ah were Muslim expatriates.
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AlbanianMuslim
02-27-2010, 03:47 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
What did Kaddafi do ?....... Established World Islamic Call Society (WICS).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Islamic_Call_Society




Qaddafy Islamic Center at Babakan Madang village, Bogor, Indonesia. Funded by WICS.
Thats not what I meant. What were the others talking about Kaddafi and some Italian girls with a Quran or something along those lines
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ardianto
02-27-2010, 06:09 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by AlbanianMuslim
Thats not what I meant. What were the others talking about Kaddafi and some Italian girls with a Quran or something along those lines
I know, I know.

I just want to tell other member, don't see kaddafi only from the negative side.
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aadil77
02-27-2010, 09:31 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by AlbanianMuslim
Wait.....lol....can someone tell me what this Kaddafi nonesense is about? What did he do?
.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...men-islam-rome
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north_malaysian
03-04-2010, 12:09 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto
Which Chinese language ?. Mandarin, canton, Hakka, Kek, other ?. :)

Few years ago I read on article, there was salah Taraweeh with khutbah in English at Indonesia. That was because the jama'ah were Muslim expatriates.
Mandarin, if I'm not mistaken...
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