Im writing this to SMA89 , even though i wanted to contribute to this thread a long time ago but never really got the chance, so i will try to sum up some of my thoughts here.
Bro as far as some of your claims go, i disagree with them a lot,
It seems to me that u think that a person cannot be modern or succesful and a practising muslim at the same time, like if a person would follow islam he would be left out or left behind in this time, i think that very wrong, Islam does not in any way stop us from Innovation in the worldy sciences or seeking all sorts of knowledge rather it actualy commands us to learn n to be uptodate n to excel in the diffrent fields of life.
There are many exapmples for that, and how come a person not be a modern person n still follow islam, what stops him?
Let me share a few people with u that i know n lets conmapre where U are in reagrds to them, coz u are such a modern person.
1- Salah Bu Khatir
A UAE ( dubai/sharjah etc) Natioanl , western educated , very well mannered n well educated , a billionaire , a very very succesful business man n also a very succesful chairman of one of the most succesful schools here, School of creative science.
have a look for urself, his group of companies is very succesful its current aggregate annual turnover stands at AED 3 billion approximately!! that close to half a billion pounds or one billion us dollars.
http://www.bukhatir.com/ check it out , his school wins awards every year for being the best in teh country n muslims n non muslims all strive to get a place in his school coz of its excellence.
http://www.bukhatir.com/companies.php?coid=17
http://www.scs-sharjah.com/english/about/index.php
At the same time the guy is the MOST famous quran recitor in UAE, and i know people from all over the country come to pray at a mosque in ramadan in which he leads, he leads not only the taraweeh but also tahajud prayers deep into the night, i have also know people who come from other neighobouring gulf countries to come here n pray behind himcoz he has the swetest voice, n the way he recites has changed many peoples lifes , u can check for ur self how he recites on youtube.
So my question to u? where do u stand from this guy? aa hafiz , and know that when a hafiz of quran leaves off quran for even a bit he can easily start to forget it , so this guy , with allllll his busy schedules n all the things he has to do n take care of n manage his empire gets time for not only his deen n religion but also to revise the quran n when ramadan comes he completely blows peoples minds up with his beautifl recitation.
Modern? Succesful? uptodate? ..... how would u describe him n how is Following Islam stopping him from al that n being a VERRRRY succeful individual , more succesful than you perhaps n the people u sociallyu drink with, n even if lets say u were more succesful than him stil u are losing , coz he is gaining this wordly benefits n success as well as his hereafter.
U claim dubai is a sucesful city n other cities are not, well true to an extent , is it coz they abandoned the deen or something n others are backwards coz they held on to deen n religion , i dont wana ay traditions , coz to me most traditions in the east n musms are NOT EVEN MUSLIM TRADITIONS so they can go to hell any day , Im talking about holding on to the deen.the authentic pure deen , a complete submission to all that was revealed n proved from the prophet in authantic narations. The cities like in pakistan n other places did not see the success as of dubai coz of many reasosn
I think first of all coz of all The Shirk , Innovations(in religion) , Fairy Tales n Khuraffffat , non sens en superstitions n lack of education , which again has notthing to do with islam coz islam promotes education n seking knowledge of the variety of sciances, so To me to reason for their backwardness in first of ALL being IGNORANT of the deen n second being uneducated n STUBBORN N STUCK, NOt STUCK with the deen though , stuck with their stupid superstiotions n CRap!
Dubai on the other hand is successful, BUT NOT ON THE COST OF THE DEEN, It was mostly coz of the oil n well the rulers and how they devoted their selfes to this country n worked for the people not liek our corrupt leaders , n well for using its location as a business hub and planning it to be a world class business hub.
this is what i wana get acroos , we can be suceful modern , educated , compete on the advanced levels in all sciences n all fields of life , why not , but at the same time we dont really need to drink or fornicate , or disapprove laws laid down by Allah for that ,we can very easily balance both.
I know people who are much much better muslims than me n also much more educated n succesful than me ,much practising than me, they can earn in a month what i earn in years , so how is islam holding them back bro!?
Just coz a person practises his deen n fears God n follows his commands n stops from what God has forbidden does not mean He does not take a plane to travel n uses a camel! it does not stop him at all , the religion will never stop u from such innovations in techonolgy n all, rather the Prophet sala lahu alihi wa sallam has encouraged n commanded us to do so.
So me personally, i loved aviation as a kid, so i went to the states n studied aircraft engineering , came back here in 05 n worked for a while n then studied another branch of aviation , flight operations management n now im a licensed flight dispatcher , but at the same time i didnt have to SACRFICE my deen , not here in MODERN DUBAI nor in the GREAT WEST!
Rather me being on the deen has only made people to take intrest in Islam , n get them closer to Islam n got people to read about it n wonder about it, now what if i mixed with them n did in rome what the romans do , do u think i would look any diffrent at all , does that at the same time mean that i freaked them out n terrorised them n drove them away or lets say i did not respect them as human beings , NO , my attitude n behavior with non muslims n even like innovated muslism at times is even beter than with my friends n all , u knwo why , coz I represnt Islam , Im muslim n proud , Im good at what i do at work , i worked hard to be good in college n university n school , coz when people look at me they look at a muslim , when they see a muslim is soo good in studies it actually helps islam in way taht people get curious about it that hey not all muslims are like riding cames or blowing peopel up.
we are ambassadors of Islam , safeers where ever we are , and ISLAM n deen ALWAYS gives me that extra spark n energy to EXCEL in what ever is that i am doing , at work , outside , dealing with people , I have to prove im Good , and prove that muslims can do it and muslims are up there compete for the top spots but at the same time NOT SACRIFICING anything of te deen at all.
The Head of teh engineers here at Emirates ( again one of the most succeful airlines) is a local guy, i expect him to be more practsing than me , hes got a Big beautiful beard n he is good , he is soo good he even helped out AIRBUS when they got the new A380 n had issues with it , Beat that n the guy is more practising than the Imam of my masjid!
matter of fact allll the guys in top engineering positions n maintenance have go beareds n are salafi muslims who hold on to the deen n sunnah a severe adherence , does not hurt them , rather benefits them n others.
My man u know whats the problem with u , n u ar enot teh only one there are millions like u out there, specially the desi kids n youth , growing up in west or even in india/pak/bangla or places like duabi n all,
THE PROBLEM IS U ALL NEVER GOT TO SEE THE TRUE AUTHENTIC ISLAM
ALL U GOT TO SEE WAS THE CRAZ NON SENSE FAIRY TALES N SUPERSTITIONS N IGNORANCE OF YOUR ELDERS WHO WERE GOOD FOR NOTTHING AND HAD NO "AUTHENTIC" KNOWLEDGE OF THE DEEN
the religion is beautiful , satifying , soooo sweeet , soooo relaxing , sooo SIMPLE , sooo easy , Soooo Do-able , Sooo practiable, The True authentic deen makes SOOOO much sense , but these crazy sufis n mullas of the east is what has driven the youth away from it , coz it is actually scary , it makes no sense , its hard , its dry , its just unbareable what they have made out of the deen , the result? The youth gets sooo distant from teh deen , but what it should have been is that the youth should have moved away from these people n started looking for the truth n the athentic deen.
There is stilll soo much i wana say to you brother
but i will end in commenting on some of the comments u made.
bro the deen never stops u from growing n moving n achieving , neither do u have to abandon the deen for growth n evolution n to have a better future for the next generations, the deen never asks u to get stuck in the past n ride a horse or camel , u can ride a plane or a train lol , i dont know why do people think that Islam is outdated n some of the context is outdated n canot be applied , as i proved to u with exaplmes that people more educated n more succeful than u are actualy more good muslim than u n deen does not stop them at all.
Bro from all that u have said , what hurt me the most is that u actually compared Quran to Any book n even to Internet , How could u?
U said it in that taweez thread n may Allah reward the sister who made this thread for bringing it up, Bro how could u EVEN compare the words of ALLAH , the words of our lord to one who owns everything n to whom we shall all return to ANY BOOK! ? or to Internet ? its not just any book n its not no Dayum internet with all sort of people posting n writing all sort of things, please take that back n seek forgiveness for even saying that n making that comparison, U said
"You guys are giving me reference from
a book which means nothing.
People can write many books, but am I going to blindly follow it without knowing that they
are 100% a fact? Its basically like telling me to believe everything on the internet that a random person writes"
How could u say that man , u said it means notthing! U said many people can write books , now was quran written my a person , is it just like ANY other book out there? Is it? is giving u a verse from the quran , from the speech of God like telling u whata random person writes on the internet?
Hve u just compared God witha ramdon person on the internet? Have u ?
or have u compared quran with what any person writes? Know that quran is nota book the Muhammad sala lahu alihi wa sallam wrote , nor is it outdated , Nor did The prophet sala lahu alihi wa salam consider drinking haram at that time n if he was back now he would allow it , he was not ignorant of the beneits of drinking , he did not make it haram coz he didnt knwo how good or bad it was , rather it was a comand , n we hear n we obey , this is how deen is dealth with , and it doe snot stop me from becomming a piloy does it or growing or acheieving n blah blah balh! does it?
The prophet does not need to come back n make changes to the deen so it will FIT us more , By Allah , the deen fits us perfectly , it fits billioaires , doctors , scientisist , rulers n kings but does not fir u and has to be Modified n updated???
N the prophet does not need to come back coz quran is safe n hadith is as well thanks to the peple of hadeeth in all times n even in our time , oh just reminded me of a brother who narrates hadeeth , and is also one of the best guys with F16 here, trained in US where they actualy produce them then trained in london n uk for a while then trained in turkey , but hey more knowledgable of the deen than me honestly, more practising than me , n definetly has a BIg n beautiful library , and has Ijazah a permission from major scholars like sheikh Rabee n sheikh muqbil to narrate hadeeth. How is he left out , or backward , or stuck or all that !!!??
here is a good ayah for the whole drinking Issue:
They ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling.[] Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit.
so even if the prophet was to come back , he wouldnt approve drinking , coz Allah knows what is good n what is bad for his creation , n he made it haram n it reamins so untill the day of qiyamah. We do not have a choice nor are we allowed to change n do what ever we want , this is deen it has limits n ways to follow it , one can follow or not , but if one does no follow n still hopes for a reward n jannah , then who is he kidding!
Any way
After all thsi i wana say , im glad u are here , and i welcome u to this forum
i thank the sister who made thsi thread , u never know bro , may be through thsi forum u will learn thing taht u never did , coz u obviously were not taught how to follow the deen n wha tthe deen is exactly , a very comon tragedy in every desi home , they never bothered to teach us n only showed us their non sense rituals n crazy things.
so i welcome u , n i extend my hand , n i ask Allah to make this form of benefit for u , n to guide me as i think im in much need of His guidance than any of His servants, and i Ask Allah to guide the youth , Yes they are the future , the future of this world n also Islam , its up to them to change the world n to make it a better place n t ome ONLY ISLAM can do that n ALHUMDOLILLAH Islam does not stop us in any way from growth n achieveing n excelling in everything , rather Islam can bring peace , love harmony , respect , mercy , u name it , u think u respect ur mates mroe u should see some of the brothers , how they respect n treat non muslims,
we are about mercy , peace , tolerance, giving n respecting others rights , ( see the history of palestine fo rthat matter , how it has enjoyed tolerance under muslim rules ONLY) , harmony , love , respect , n giving every one their due right n More which is called Ihsaan In Islam ,
U bro have never really seen the other side of islam , the true authentic side of islam , its beauuuuuuuuuuuutiful.
Bro the west is runnning towards Islam n u our youth n muslims are running away? doesnt make any sense.
I just picked up our brothe Napoleon from the airport the other night, he is visting uae , went to saudi n made umrah n came back , gave a talk there in riyadh, he was supposed to be joined by another famous rapper as wel , Loon from p diddys bad boy records , look at these people , he is a person i met while in Usa , and stayed a good friedn since 2002 , he has a talk here at american university of duabi AUD soon. will put it up inshahAllah.
All these actors , singers , rappers , athelets are comming to islam n we are running away! Napople might not be as famous but he has been featured on amost every album of tupac shakur who has sold over 60 million records, trust me he has seen it all , why dont u search youtube n listen to some of his talks, or even loon for that matter. see how loon in such a small period of time has learnt soo much and has such a good understanding coz he hooked up with the right people , people who are on quran n sunah n away from the khuraffaat.
But i ask u to come to the people of sunnah n knowledge n InshahAllah try to learn n see , InshshAllah im sure things will make sense to u n InshahAllah u will be a very succesful man , both religiously n wordly.