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muslimsister1
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Is the above true brother? i live in the uk and latley they has been a lot of issue regarding meat, this is due to firm who are operating as HMC (Halal Monitoring), basically these are people who provide chicken to meat shops where it has been slaughtered properly EG with Bismillah on each chicken. Now the shops which do not sell HMC certified chicken are deemed as haram but these ar muslim brothers shops, surley they would not sell haram meat? i mean what about the times before this HMC came into place, no-one questioned anything then but now its like if its not HMC certified it is haram, im not saying that HMC are wrong or anything, but iv herd ppl sya its a money making scheme, but how do we start to defreintate between it all? my husband beleives that as a muslim meat shop owner it is their responsibility to provide halal meat, and if we start questioning evrything the we would not be able to eat from anywhere. Im jst confused about it all and always questiong this.
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:sl: My sister in regards to "so called halal food" we have to be very careful about what we eat. Most chicken in this country (UK) has been stunned and therefore results in the chicken being either severely brain damaged or dead before slaughter and one of the rules for Islamic slaughter is that the animal should be in good healthy condition prior to slaughter and with stunned chicken it is very uncertain how many chickens actually die from stunning before slaughter.
Many slaughter houses also think it is sufficient to have "Bismillah" playing on a tape player in the background and think that this is sufficient when slaughtering an animal.
Many also have "Bismillah" written on a knife or a saw and think that this is also sufficient when slaughtering an animal. So they don't even repeat the words just have the words stuck on a knife or saw or playing in the background on a tape player.
These practices are contrary to Islamic slaughter, how can we accept this to be the Islamic way of slaughtering a chicken? The Islamic way of slaughter can NEVER be comprimised especially because of profit maximisation. Do they not fear that Allah is watching them?
Sister you have the wrong understanding of what HMC do, they do not provide chicken, what they do is actively send out monitors and inspectors to meat slaughter houses to check if they are slaughtering meat in accordance with Islamic slaughter methods. They do these inspections randomly. So if a shop, butchers or supplier want to be certified then HMC would have to check that all of their meat supply is sourced from places which implement Islamically correct way of slaughtering.
Currently in the UK they are the only Halal Islamic food authority that actively send out monitors and inspectors to these slaughter houses to ensure that proper Islamic methods of slaughter are being implemented. This company is a God send and they are very active in sending out inspectors and monitors to inspect all premises that they certify in the UK and they do their research to as well as having various scholars on the board when they need advice on complicated matters.
No other halal food agency does any of that. One of the worst of all are HFA or in other words Haram food authority who have NO checks or inspectors or monitors but will stamp the halal stamp anyway. I've talked to them on many occassions and i would tell all from the UK NEVER to trust that agency!
I'm not saying that any chicken that is not certified HMC is haraam but what i am saying is that at least if we know the chicken we are eating is certified by HMC then we know for sure that it is definatley halal as it gives that peace of mind. Otherwise at least ask those places or research their sources into how they slaughter their chicken.
The typical excuse people will find is if it says halal then we should trust them. That may be the case if one was not aware of this issue but now that we are all aware of how chicken is being slaughtered how can we use this excuse?
Another thing you will hear people say is that HMC do it for money because they want people to buy their meat. But they don't provide meat they just certify it. Also they are a non profit making organisation so that certainly refutes that claim.
It is our duty as Muslims to ensure that what goes into our stomachs is proper halal food otherwise we risk rejection of our dua's and good deeds by polluting ourselves with haraam. This is a question of our imaan and we must have fear never to put haraam into our bodys. Are we not worried that our duas and good deeds may not be accepted? We know full well that if we are not careful with what we put into our bodys then we could be consuming haraam. We do not want to pollute our bodys.
So let us be very careful of what we eat and research and make sure that the meat we buy particularly chicken is properly slaughtered in accordance with Islamic slaughter methods. We must not have th attitude that if it says halal then its halal because we are fully aware that what these people who slaughter in this way consider halal is NOT considered halal and this is the consensus of Ulema of Islam. Therefore we must be very careful from now on in regards to the chicken we buy.
If you want more information on the matter then there is plenty on their website and you can even ring them if you want and they will explain further inshallah.
http://www.halalmc.net/
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