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Hayfa
03-04-2010, 09:54 PM
Asalaam ualykum brothers and sisters, i needed some help and i hope inshaAllah some knowledgeable people can help me out on this one.

I constantly keep having debates with a friend of mine about the whole weather to celebrate prophet Muhammed pbuh birthday. Basically she claims to have brought me some proof from the Quran and hadith, i would appreciate it if someone could make sense of this and also give me some hadiths to condemn the celebrating of prophet Muhammed saw birthday. Links would also be helpful.

Firstly she quotes from the Quran

In the Holy Qur'an Allah Almighty gives a clear order to celebrate and rejoice the raising and coming of the Holy Prophet (saw). In Surah Yunus, (10:58) Allah Ta'ala states

"Say: Because of the( fadl) Blessings of Allah and His (rahma) Mercy you should celebrate (with happiness and pleasure). That is better than what (wealth) they amass."

In this particular ayah Allah Ta'ala is commanding that we should rejoice and celebrate His fadl and rahma as much as is possible. The question naturally to be asked is what exactly should we be rejoicing. What does Allah's fadl and rahma refer to? According to other verses in the Qur'an


In surah maryam Allah commands us to send salam on the day sayyidina yahya (as) was born i.e his birthday.

And send salam on him the day he was born, the day he dies, and the day he will be raised up to life (again)! Surah Maryam

The same commandment has also been given to sayyidina Isa as in surah Maryam.

"And Salam (peace) be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!" (19:33)



In a Hadith related by Ibn Abbas (RA) when the Messenger of Allah (SAW) came to Madina, he found the Jews fasting on the day of Aashura. He inquired why they were doing so. They replied that it was a good day, the day on which Allah delivered Prophet Moosa (AS) and the children of Israel from Pharaoh. As gratitude Moosa (AS) fasted that day. The Holy Prophet (SAW) responded "I have more right to Moosa than you." He fasted the day and commanded the believers to fast. [Bukhari and Muslim].

When the holy prophet saw heard the answer of the Jews, he did not rebut their celebration, nor did he say it was not permissible to celebrate such a day. Instead he commented that the muslims had a greater right to celebrate and thus asked the muslims to fast on this day too.
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Ummu Sufyaan
03-05-2010, 01:35 AM
wa alaykum us-Salaam....
ask her first and foremost what is the evidence to suggest that these ayahs and hadiths are intended as proof for the milad...in other words, have these ayahs and hadiths been used in their proper contexts...is this the way the mufassireen have interpreted these ayahs?
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Maryan0
03-05-2010, 01:40 AM
I think this topic has been discussed far too many times and it really is'nt the dividing factor people make it out to be.
Salam
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tigerkhan
03-05-2010, 01:41 PM
:sl:
very simple answer...
Shuhaba (RA), Tabi'een, and Taba Tabi'een (RA) knows Quran more than us and their lives are real pictures of commandments of ALLAH SWT in quran.....so if they never celebrates Eid Milad than how can we.....
does we love NABI (SA) more than them.....?????
:wa:
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AhlaamBella
03-05-2010, 02:22 PM
The only reference I know of in relation to the Prophet s.a.w birthday is that because he was born on a monday, he would fast on that day. But he also fasted on Thursdays so it really isn't an indication that it was solely for his birthday. That is the only thing different the prophet s.a.w would do in relation to hs birthday, and even then it was weekly, not annual.
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tigerkhan
03-05-2010, 02:47 PM
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ya the day is monday but according to my limited knowledge, the exact date of birth is not known, however the day of Wisaal is surely 12th Rabiulawal.
JZK
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Sampharo
03-05-2010, 04:07 PM
The verse quoted is badly translated and seems to be twisted to suit a sufi group purpose. The translation is more appropriately: "Say: "In the bounty of Allah. And in His Mercy,- in that let them rejoice": that is better than the (wealth) they hoard." The bounty of Allah is Quran and his mercy is Islam, as interpreted by the companions Abu Saeed Al-Khudry and Ibn Abbas -r.a.a.-. Rejoice has no celebration attached to it.

It is forbidden in Islam to make a celebration out of any day or time other than the two Eids that God has blessed us with. It is confirmed in hadith: Narrated by Anas -r.a.a.- that the prophet -s.a.a.w.- came to the Medina and its people had two days that they used to celebrate and play in, so the prophet asked: "What are these two days?" and they answered "they are two days of old we used to celebrate them in Jahiliyya." the prophet -s.a.a.w.- responded "God has replaced them with Eid Al-Fitr and Eid Al-Adha."

The muslims were ordered to not celebrate any other but those two. So it is forbidden to celebrate birthdays, and it is an extra rude act then to celebrate the birthday of the prophet himself. Additionally his birth date is not known, just the month.

Those who try to misinform people about the mawlid are those trying to get the people used to the business and habit of having mawlids, so later on it becomes ok to have for their Awleya'. Same way they keep trying to claim the grave of the prophet is inside the masjid, so why can't the Awleya' be buried in their own masjids and have their murideen pray on them and then ask things of them.

Additionally, Fasting has nothing to do with swings and days off and game caravans and sweets and selling clothes and toys, wasting time and singing in the street. So it is on their faces actually that they mention the prophet made fasting on the day Moses was delivered as their source, for then let them fast the day they believe the prophet was born instead.
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waji
03-05-2010, 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by Hayfa
Firstly she quotes from the Quran

[I]In the Holy Qur'an Allah Almighty gives a clear order to celebrate and rejoice the raising and coming of the Holy Prophet (saw). In Surah Yunus, (10:58) Allah Ta'ala states
"Say: Because of the( fadl) Blessings of Allah and His (rahma) Mercy you should celebrate (with happiness and pleasure). That is better than what (wealth) they amass."
"O men, there has come to you an advice from your Lord, and a cure for the ailments of your hearts, and guidance and mercy for the believers."
Surah Yunus (10:57)
"Say, :With the grace of Allah and with His mercy (this book has been revealed). So they should rejoice in it. It is much better than that (wealth) which they accumulate."
Surah Yunus (10:58) (Translation by Taqi Usmani)
The ayat 57 gives a clear idea about what is said about in ayat 58

In surah maryam Allah commands us to send salam on the day sayyidina yahya (as) was born i.e his birthday.
And send salam on him the day he was born, the day he dies, and the day he will be raised up to life (again)! Surah Maryam
The same commandment has also been given to sayyidina Isa as in surah Maryam.
"And Salam (peace) be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!" (19:33)
"Peace on him the day he was born, the day he dies and the day he will be raised alive."Surah Maryam (19:15) about Prophet Yahya
Where Allah command us to send salam on Prophet Yahya or Prophet Essa
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>Taalib<
03-10-2010, 09:37 PM
[i]In the Holy Qur'an Allah Almighty gives a clear order to celebrate and rejoice the raising and coming of the Holy Prophet (saw). In Surah Yunus, (10:58) Allah Ta'ala states

"Say: Because of the( fadl) Blessings of Allah and His (rahma) Mercy you should celebrate (with happiness and pleasure). That is better than what (wealth) they amass."

In this particular ayah Allah Ta'ala is commanding that we should rejoice and celebrate His fadl and rahma as much as is possible. The question naturally to be asked is what exactly should we be rejoicing. What does Allah's fadl and rahma refer to?[i]
If we`say that this Aayah is proof for celebrating the Meelaad than it will mean that we should celebrate for all the bounties and favours of Allah Ta'aala, so our whole life should be spent celebrating than where will the time for Ibaadah etc come!? May Allah Ta'aala save us from interpreting the Noble Qur'aan according to our desires. Aameen
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Salahudeen
03-10-2010, 09:57 PM
Originally Posted by Hayfa
Asalaam ualykum brothers and sisters, i needed some help and i hope inshaAllah some knowledgeable people can help me out on this one.

I constantly keep having debates with a friend of mine about the whole weather to celebrate prophet Muhammed pbuh birthday. Basically she claims to have brought me some proof from the Quran and hadith, i would appreciate it if someone could make sense of this and also give me some hadiths to condemn the celebrating of prophet Muhammed saw birthday. Links would also be helpful.

Firstly she quotes from the Quran

In the Holy Qur'an Allah Almighty gives a clear order to celebrate and rejoice the raising and coming of the Holy Prophet (saw). In Surah Yunus, (10:58) Allah Ta'ala states

"Say: Because of the( fadl) Blessings of Allah and His (rahma) Mercy you should celebrate (with happiness and pleasure). That is better than what (wealth) they amass."

In this particular ayah Allah Ta'ala is commanding that we should rejoice and celebrate His fadl and rahma as much as is possible. The question naturally to be asked is what exactly should we be rejoicing. What does Allah's fadl and rahma refer to? According to other verses in the Qur'an


In surah maryam Allah commands us to send salam on the day sayyidina yahya (as) was born i.e his birthday.

And send salam on him the day he was born, the day he dies, and the day he will be raised up to life (again)! Surah Maryam

The same commandment has also been given to sayyidina Isa as in surah Maryam.

"And Salam (peace) be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!" (19:33)



In a Hadith related by Ibn Abbas (RA) when the Messenger of Allah (SAW) came to Madina, he found the Jews fasting on the day of Aashura. He inquired why they were doing so. They replied that it was a good day, the day on which Allah delivered Prophet Moosa (AS) and the children of Israel from Pharaoh. As gratitude Moosa (AS) fasted that day. The Holy Prophet (SAW) responded "I have more right to Moosa than you." He fasted the day and commanded the believers to fast. [Bukhari and Muslim].

When the holy prophet saw heard the answer of the Jews, he did not rebut their celebration, nor did he say it was not permissible to celebrate such a day. Instead he commented that the muslims had a greater right to celebrate and thus asked the muslims to fast on this day too.

abu bakr, umar, ali, uthmaan and all the sahabba didn;t interpret those verses to mean you can celebrate the birthday of the prophet saw.

is her knowledge more than the sahabba?
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KittenLover
03-10-2010, 11:18 PM
isn't milad un nabi a shia tradition? I'm sure they are the originators of it.

best to follow the companions, as if there was any good in it they would have been the first to do it.

If you wanna celebrate his birthday (saw) then celebrate it the way he advised us to celebrate which is to fast on Monday's and Thursdays.

The prophet (saw) was asked why he fasted on monday's and he said "because Monday is the day on which I was born" so celebrate like he celebrated.
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Zafran
03-11-2010, 02:00 AM
salaam

didnt Ibn Kathir, Suyuti and Ibn Hajer Asqlani and other great scholars premit Mawlid. This issue came after the Sahaba so after the Sahaba you have to follow the rightly guided scholars.

By the way the date 12 Rabi-ul-Awal is backed by scholars of Islam/ historians eg Ibn Khuldun and others.

And yes there are scholars who were also against it. so its a two way argument.

Edit - Check the site out below

http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-stud...ah-bin-bayyah/

peace
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Billal-A
03-12-2010, 01:29 AM
Assalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu,

As for what has been mentioned so far, I just want to elaborate on a few points concerning some of what was said:

1. The whole differing over whether Milaad-un-Nabi is allowed or not is based on the study of the topic of bid'ah itself. There has arisen some debate as to bid'ah among the some of the later scholars such as An-Nawawi rh and so on. Needless to say, these verdicts were incorrect and may Allaah forgive the scholars and reward them doubly for their ijtihaad. The correct and penultimate stance with regard to bid'ah is that all forms of it is impermissible and an abomination in the deen:

Allah says:
"Verily this is My Straight path, so follow it and follow not (other) paths, they will separate you away from His path. This He has ordained for you that you may become pious." (Surah 6:153)

Jaabir (R) narrated Muhammad(S) said:
“To proceed: The best speech is the Book of Allah and the best guidance and example is that of Muhammad, and the worse of all things are the newly invented things (in the religion), for every innovation is a error and a misguidance." (Muslim)

"…Every innovation is a going astray and every going astray is in the fire." (Tirmidhi)

Also, the Prophet explained:

"Verily I shall precede you to the Fountain (Al-Kawthar). Whosoever will pass by me shall drink (from it) and never get thirsty. People whom I know and who will know me will certainly come to me for drink but there will be a barrier between them and me. Then I will say, "verily they are of me.’ It will be said, ‘You certainly do not know what bid’ah (innovation) they made after you.’ Then I shall say, "Be off those who made bid’ah after me.’ (Bukhari and Muslim)

“And the children of Israel split into seventy-two sects and my Ummah shall split into seventy-three sects all of them in the fire except one group." The Sahaba asked, ‘Which one is that O Messenger?’ He said, "It is the one to which I and my companions belong." (Tirmidhi)

Sufyaan ath-Thawree (may Allah have mercy on him) mentions: "Innovation is more beloved to Iblees than sin, since a sin may be repented from but innovation is not repented from" and "Whoever listens to an innovator has left the protection of Allaah and is entrusted with the innovation” (al-Nu’am mentions this in ‘al-Hilyah’, 7-26)

Plus it is also reported from Imaam Malik rh that he said the one who adopts the concept of a good bid'ah has implied that our messenger did not fulfill his duty in conveying Islam fully as is mentioned in the Qur'an and sunnah.

Even some of the evidences used such as: Umar ra and his use of the term good bid'ah has been dissected and explained as the act he was referring to wasnt even a bid'ah! [i.e. the act of taraweeh in a congregation], "Whoever introduces a good practice will get the reward of all those who follow..." is referring to a man who gave charity openly which led to many giving charity [not a bid'ah].

2. Our deen is not based upon the interpretations of some scholars. We take from them where they are correct and leave their incorrect opinions as was explained by many of them, including the four Imaams themselves:

Imaam Shaafi'ee: "The sunnahs of the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) reach, as well as escape from, every one of us. So whenever I voice my opinion, or formulate a principle, where something contrary to my view exists on the authority of the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), then the correct view is what the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) has said, and it is my view." [Related by Haakim with a continuous sanad up to Shaafi'i, as in Taareekh Dimashq of Ibn 'Asaakir (15/1/3), I'laam al- Mooqi'een (2/363, 364) & Eeqaaz (p. 100).]

Imaam Ahmad: "Do not follow my opinion; neither follow the opinion of Maalik, nor Shaafi'i, nor Awzaa'i, nor Thawri, but take from where they took." [Fulaani (p. 113) & Ibn al-Qayyim in I'laam (2/302).]

In one narration: "Do not copy your Deen from anyone of these, but whatever comes from the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and his Companions, take it; next are their Successors, where a man has a choice."

Once he said: "Following [ittibaa] means that a man follows what comes from the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and his Companions; after the Successors, he has a choice." [Abu Daawood in Masaa'il of Imaam Ahmad (pp. 276-7)]

- So who says that we should follow the Milaad marches and celebrations? Did Rasulullah sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam tell us to? Did the Four Rightly Guided Caliphs? Did any of the Sahaaba? Did any of them interpret the narrations to mean anything of what we have today???

4. The evidences used to highlight this so called "Milaad" are in fact twisted to mean one thing where no such meaning is found in the text of any of these narrations.

- For example, some have mentioned Surah Yoonus verse 58: "Say in the bounty of Allaah, and in his Mercy let them rejoice." - Ibn Katheer ra states: "Let them rejoice in the guidance and what has come of the truth" - No indication of any agreement with guidance and mercy here being related to our Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam.

- ANALYTICAL POINT: A person in this forum mentioned the ayahs in the Qur'an that state salaam on the day Yahya was born and the day he died, and salaam on the day Eesa was born and the day he died. Problem 1: Why didnt the Prophet and his companions celebrate these days? Problem 2: Why dont the Milaadis celebrate these days also [bearing in mind it imitates the kuffaar in XMAS!!] Problem 3: Who has concluded salaam is equal to celebration?

- As for the narration about fasting, thats it FAST! SubhanAllaah do what Rasulullah sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam did! Our Nabi never did any of these acts but spoke against people doing with him what the Christians did with Jesus [isnt that warning clear enough?]

- As for narration about Abu Lahab being given removal of punishment once a week from the Fire because he freed a slave on day Prophet saws was born. Provided this narration is sound, this is nonetheless imitation of one of the enemies of Islam. Not only this but is this proof to celebrate the mawlid? No it is not by a longshot!



5. Counter-evidences: The Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam said there are two eids. Eid ul Adha, and Eid ul Fitr so to create an innovation like Eid Milaad un Nabi is a clear non-Islamic practice as it contradicts this statement.

6. Loving the Prophet saws is also another excuse but love needs obedience:

“Say (O Muhammad to mankind): If you really love Allāh then follow me, Allāh will love you and forgive you your sins.” [Surah 3: 31]

“And obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad) that you may obtain mercy.” [Surah 3: 132]

“O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) If you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination.” (Surah 4: 59)

7. "Its only good intentions behind this all" [Sound familiar?]
This is the argument of those who try to seperate statements and actions from eemaan as a whole. We know them as the murji'a who say stuff like: "its all about the heart" "I had good intentions" but eemaan is beliefs statements and actions as was clearly explained by our Nabi saws and his followers. There was once an occasion where some Muslims were counting beads and doing dhikr in a circle and when Abdullah ibn Mas'ood saw them he rebuked them for doing innovative acts, they responded "We only intended GOOD" to which Abdullah ibn Mas'ood replied "So many times man intends good but does bad". - Need I say more?

Conclusion - Please refer to the Salaf us-Saaliheen for our deen, they are the knowledgable custodians of our deen when it comes to these clear cut issues. As for the khalaf may Allaah accept them and reward them all, but they must be assessed on value of what was said rather than who they were.

Wallaahu A'lam
May Allaah guide us all. Ameen
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**noora**
03-12-2010, 03:18 AM
Assalamu Alaykum

Please listen to this lecture ...

Milad-un-Nabi In The Light Of Quran & Hadith English

By Shaykh Abdur Raheem

http://www.tafseer-raheemi.com/milad...w-coming-soon/
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