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cat eyes
03-14-2010, 04:04 PM
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interesting talk show i found.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyh9jP3FbV8


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MuslimDude
03-14-2010, 04:09 PM
thx for sharing
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cat eyes
03-14-2010, 04:24 PM
the guy in the black shirt is annoying lol he keeps on interrupting dr. zakir naik :raging:
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noorseeker
03-14-2010, 04:37 PM
they dont really allow Dr naik to talk, um isnt bollywood haram.
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SMA89
03-14-2010, 06:02 PM
I agreed to everything that ShahRukh Khan said.

Not the exact words but this is what he said:
"Just because you are not a specialist in Islam doesnt make you less of a muslim."
I remember KittenLover made a whole thread questioning if we should call a Moderate muslim a muslim or not. The answer is if he submits to God, then he is a muslim. Even Dr. Naik said that. A Christian is a Muslim, a Jew is a Muslim and etc.
Most of the people on this forum are TOO Strict and Extreme. I am happy you posted this video, so we can see different views of muslims.

"It is better to feel like a muslim than to look like one."
I really liked this quote because I am doing everything good as a human being and I am confident enough that I know that Allah loves me for what I do.
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Abdul Qadir
03-14-2010, 06:17 PM
Originally Posted by SMA89

I remember KittenLover made a whole thread questioning if we should call a Moderate muslim a muslim or not. The answer is if he submits to God, then he is a muslim. Even Dr. Naik said that. A Christian is a Muslim, a Jew is a Muslim and etc.
may allah guide us a protect us...maybe this is what these three individuals Dr. Zakir Naik, Shahrukh Khan, Soha Ali Khan are upon...
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cat eyes
03-14-2010, 06:28 PM
well i believe that Allah can judge a person at the end of the day..we has humans have no say in what others do and we should not be calling eachother kufir!

What will inshaAllah get us into jannah is believing on the kalma how ever this DOSE NOT mean that u believe on half the Qur'an and hadiths and disbelieving in da rest of it because if you have then you have not totally submitted yourself 2 god.

I do agree in lot of stuf with shahruk has said because the bottom line is Allah wil judge whats in da heart on the day of resurrection and not what u went about wearing in this dunya.

There is muslimz who cover head to toe, that dose not mean to say he or she is guided. You never know what they are hiding in there hearts.

Shahkuk is an actor and he singz too the thing i liked is that he admitted it was wrong and maybe who knws, for ths ALLah cud guide him and put him in jannah 4 his honesty.

May ALLah guide him. Ameen
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Nimboo
03-14-2010, 07:03 PM
^^

Completely Agree with you there. Who are we to Judge? If we stopped judging one another, maybe life will become a little better.....
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Beardo
03-14-2010, 07:15 PM
It was live, but I missed it. did anyone attend it live? I heard it was broadcasted on the net.
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Beardo
03-14-2010, 07:17 PM
My personal thing on Bollywood specifically... People who watch it tend to be so dramatic about life. They work in extreme emotions and want their lives to be fairytales. They want their potential wife's dupatta to fly on their faces and find love that way. Really, it's stupid yet makes me laugh. Every movie has the same plot.

Mind you, I don't want Bollywood. Or Hollywood for that matter.
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paradise88
03-14-2010, 07:42 PM
Firstly thank you posting this, I had no idea about this show and the discussion. Its such a complex topic some would say if you dont pray your not muslim. I heard a quote by Yvonne Ridley saying that being muslim is like being pregnant u either are or ur not.

Another thing i agreed with what Shahrukh said that Allah may forgive u abt certaint things but the society wont. The thing is the media has a lot to do with the perception of Islam. Especially after 9/11 i think everyone has heard the word muslim so frequently like we've become famous lol but not for the right reasons
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CosmicPathos
03-14-2010, 07:44 PM
Just watched most of it.

Well, SRK, I do not really like him but he has some valid points. Although I disagree when he says that he can believe that he is a Muslim even though he does not follow orthodox thinking. It is this free license that irks me. People want to believe they are something yet cherry pick in it.

I found the stupidest comments devoid of any thinking of Soha Ali Khan. She just was repeating the secular mantra. She wanted to talk about Indian identity. There is no Indian identity. we have for long been duped by Indian/Pakistani nationalism.
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islamirama
03-14-2010, 07:46 PM
I would not trust zakir naik nor take knowledge from him. You're eman and akhira is on the line, are you going to entrust it to a weak link or the best scholar you can find? Do you go to any laymen doctor or one that knows what he's talking about?

His ideology is questionable as well as his manhaj. Before some of you lots decided to jump on me for "talking bad about a scholar" and other blah blah blah, educate yourself on what he preaches. I devoted a whole thread to his ideology and comparison of what he said vs what the more knowledgeable and respected scholars have said on same topics here:

http://forum.netmuslims.com/showthre...ght=zakir+naik

As for shahrukh khan, People like to say he is a muslim and even he says he is a muslim. But is he really? he is a married to a hindu women which is not allowed in islam, therefore his marriage is invalid, he is living a life of zina and all his kids are illegitimate. I believe he also worships hindu gods, he said he has them and the quran on the same desk and he teaches his kids to practice both religions equally. Is he still a muslim? Actions speak louder than words, look at his life and then look at what Islam says and see for yourself. Same goes for salman khan and his family.

As for bollywood, yes it is haram. It promotes nothing but haraam. All their movies are about love, girl going against her parents to run away with her love, fighting bad guys who always are muslims, the lovers are always a hindu guy and a muslim girl and never vice versa. Bollywood movies had such a negative impact that hindus started complaining about their daughters running away from home with their lovers. Then you saw the release of movies like Khabi Gham Khabi Khushi to educate the dumb public about family values. Here's the bollywood ignorant cultural muslims promote:

Bollywood Badboyz
http://www.youtube.com/v/S2-Sk0KdbXc&rel=1

Truth about Bollywood
http://www.youtube.com/v/wy-gLNSbU88


As for people on this forum being too strict. The ignorant and culturally drenched "musilms" will find everything related to Islam strict because it is so much against their hindu based culture. For example, in hindu society the brother-in-law is seen a best friend where as in Islam he is seen as death. The sisters of the wife hang around him, joking, playing, being alone and what not as if its nothing. So when these people here about what islam says and how they should behave with brother in law, they object and say islam is too strict. It's either Islam or your hindu based culture, you can't have both.
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paradise88
03-14-2010, 07:55 PM
Islamirama I actually do agree with u, when i started reading ur comment i was gna be like WHAT THE.... but its true people should look at many scholars and not just one however DR Zakir Naik is good at explaining certain things and the way he tlks is easy to understand for many of us.

As for Bollywood people are mad about it for some reason, i cant stand it, people love indian music n film! For example bengali and pakistani people dnt evn wna be associated to their culture (even though religion is more important) its so weird.

P.S Soha was annoying me she just didnt want to talk about anything why did they get her on the show, shes saying religion should be private etc but thats not hw it is the whole world is talking abt religion more than ever
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CosmicPathos
03-14-2010, 07:59 PM
Originally Posted by islamirama
I would not trust zakir naik nor take knowledge from him. You're eman and akhira is on the line, are you going to entrust it to a weak link or the best scholar you can find? Do you go to any laymen doctor or one that knows what he's talking about?

His ideology is questionable as well as his manhaj. Before some of you lots decided to jump on me for "talking bad about a scholar" and other blah blah blah, educate yourself on what he preaches. I devoted a whole thread to his ideology and comparison of what he said vs what the more knowledgeable and respected scholars have said on same topics here:

http://forum.netmuslims.com/showthre...ght=zakir+naik

As for shahrukh khan, People like to say he is a muslim and even he says he is a muslim. But is he really? he is a married to a hindu women which is not allowed in islam, therefore his marriage is invalid, he is living a life of zina and all his kids are illegitimate. I believe he also worships hindu gods, he said he has them and the quran on the same desk and he teaches his kids to practice both religions equally. Is he still a muslim? Actions speak louder than words, look at his life and then look at what Islam says and see for yourself. Same goes for salman khan and his family.

As for bollywood, yes it is haram. It promotes nothing but haraam. All their movies are about love, girl going against her parents to run away with her love, fighting bad guys who always are muslims, the lovers are always a hindu guy and a muslim girl and never vice versa. Bollywood movies had such a negative impact that hindus started complaining about their daughters running away from home with their lovers. Then you saw the release of movies like Khabi Gham Khabi Khushi to educate the dumb public about family values. Here's the bollywood ignorant cultural muslims promote:

Bollywood Badboyz
http://www.youtube.com/v/S2-Sk0KdbXc&rel=1

Truth about Bollywood
http://www.youtube.com/v/wy-gLNSbU88


As for people on this forum being too strict. The ignorant and culturally drenched "musilms" will find everything related to Islam strict because it is so much against their hindu based culture. For example, in hindu society the brother-in-law is seen a best friend where as in Islam he is seen as death. The sisters of the wife hang around him, joking, playing, being alone and what not as if its nothing. So when these people here about what islam says and how they should behave with brother in law, they object and say islam is too strict. It's either Islam or your hindu based culture, you can't have both.
beautiful akhi. Seems you are from a desi background like me and are aware of what goes in our families.
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SMA89
03-14-2010, 08:02 PM
Originally Posted by paradise786

P.S Soha was annoying me she just didnt want to talk about anything why did they get her on the show, shes saying religion should be private etc but thats not hw it is the whole world is talking abt religion more than ever
Not completely true. People in the west dont even think about religion. The world in the west is very secular and moving really fast that people dont have time for religion. You see it that way because your environment is around people that follow religion im guessing.
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islamirama
03-14-2010, 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by mad_scientist
beautiful akhi. Seems you are from a desi background like me and are aware of what goes in our families.
You don't need to be a desi to know what goes on in this families. Just live in a desi community and you'll find out. We had a chinese Imam from medina visiting our community a year or two back and he was giving a small khatira and he was talking about bollywood, shahrukh khan, ashraiwaiya and what not and how desi people need to leave that stuff and return to islam.
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tango92
03-14-2010, 08:17 PM
people love these kinds of shows, it makes them think theyre making progress....
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CosmicPathos
03-14-2010, 08:23 PM
Originally Posted by islamirama
You don't need to be a desi to know what goes on in this families. Just live in a desi community and you'll find out. We had a chinese Imam from medina visiting our community a year or two back and he was giving a small khatira and he was talking about bollywood, shahrukh khan, ashraiwaiya and what not and how desi people need to leave that stuff and return to islam.
Interesting. I dont know and dont have much interest anyways in knowing what goes among Muslims from Arab culture, Indonesian culture, or Chinese culture, thats why i found it surprising non-desis knowing that much detail about desis. I guess I underestimated the impact of bollywood on the world.

After watching this show, it is clear how living in a country with various religions (India) can change thinking of a Muslim child compared to the one living in a country with only one major religion (Pakistan, where 95% ppl are Muslim), even though both share similar cultures, foods, traditions, and what not.

the guy brought Jinnah in. It should be kept in mind that Jinnah was nothing more than a political force for shaping the Pakistani ideal. Pakistan's idea was presented forth by a traditional Sunni Muslim Allama Mohammad Iqbal, the great poet-philosopher of Muslims in recent times, no doubt why Muslim scholars in India who wanted United India gave idiotic fatwas against this visionary. It irks me when secular Jinnah is given all the credit.
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islamirama
03-14-2010, 09:55 PM
Originally Posted by mad_scientist
Interesting. I dont know and dont have much interest anyways in knowing what goes among Muslims from Arab culture, Indonesian culture, or Chinese culture, thats why i found it surprising non-desis knowing that much detail about desis. I guess I underestimated the impact of bollywood on the world.
The arabs watch bollywood movies also, at least the ones in the west. Bro in my community says after watching 2-3 times he gets the story easily. Bollywood is also very famous in indonesi and especially in malaysia. you have many malays hardcore fans of bollywood actors/actresses.

the guy brought Jinnah in. It should be kept in mind that Jinnah was nothing more than a political force for shaping the Pakistani ideal. Pakistan's idea was presented forth by a traditional Sunni Muslim Allama Mohammad Iqbal, the great poet-philosopher of Muslims in recent times, no doubt why Muslim scholars in India who wanted United India gave idiotic fatwas against this visionary. It irks me when secular Jinnah is given all the credit.
All the founding fathers of Pakistan were short sighted and because of this they lost out on what they could've had vs what they have now.
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aadil77
03-14-2010, 10:06 PM
I totally agree with bro islamirama, that is the reality with our families following desi culture.

We have members here who claim to be 'moderate' muslims and take hindus like sharukh khan as examples of good muslims. You can't pick and choose what god you want to pray to, what part of islam you want to believe in, you don't deserve to call yourself a muslim if you have this mentality
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Italianguy
03-14-2010, 10:12 PM
Originally Posted by aadil77
I totally agree with bro islamirama, that is the reality with our families following desi culture.

We have members here who claim to be 'moderate' muslims and take hindus like sharukh khan as examples of good muslims. You can't pick and choose what god you want to pray to, what part of islam you want to believe in, you don't deserve to call yourself a muslim if you have this mentality
I though Sharukh Khan was a Hindu? And Amitabh Bachchan? Are they Muslims?
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CosmicPathos
03-14-2010, 10:22 PM
Originally Posted by islamirama
The arabs watch bollywood movies also, at least the ones in the west. Bro in my community says after watching 2-3 times he gets the story easily. Bollywood is also very famous in indonesi and especially in malaysia. you have many malays hardcore fans of bollywood actors/actresses.



All the founding fathers of Pakistan were short sighted and because of this they lost out on what they could've had vs what they have now.
No bro. Allama Iqbal died in 1940 if I am not mistaken. 7 years before Pakistan's formation. If he were to see his brainchild nourishing in the form of Pakistan, Pakistan could be in a better shape than what we find it in today, at least that is what seems to be Iqbal's ideal from his amazing poetry in persian and Urdu. He talks about Khalid Bin Waleed in beautiful poetry .... His first hand experience of Western atheism is well captured in his poems ... He has one poem titled Nietzsche and lays out how a Muslim ought to use reason ...
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islamirama
03-14-2010, 10:27 PM
Originally Posted by Italianguy
I though Sharukh Khan was a Hindu? And Amitabh Bachchan? Are they Muslims?
Aibtabh is a hindu. khan is from a muslim family but whether he is a muslim more not is in question considering he has hindu idols in his home and he raises his kids worshiping hindu idols like his hindu wife.

Originally Posted by mad_scientist
No bro. Allama Iqbal died in 1940 if I am not mistaken. 7 years before Pakistan's formation. If he were to see his brainchild nourishing in the form of Pakistan, Pakistan could be in a better shape than what we find it in today, at least that is what seems to be Iqbal's ideal from his amazing poetry in persian and Urdu. He talks about Khalid Bin Waleed in beautiful poetry .... His first hand experience of Western atheism is well captured in his poems ... He has one poem titled Nietzsche ...
I'm sure he did a lot but still they could have done a lot better if they had any long term planning and train of thought. Had they been more thoughtful, whole of punjab and kashmir would be part of pakistan from the start.
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Chuck
03-14-2010, 10:27 PM
Originally Posted by mad_scientist
No bro. Allama Iqbal died in 1940 if I am not mistaken. 7 years before Pakistan's formation. If he were to see his brainchild nourishing in the form of Pakistan, Pakistan could be in a better shape than what we find it in today, at least that is what seems to be Iqbal's ideal from his amazing poetry in persian and Urdu. He talks about Khalid Bin Waleed in beautiful poetry .... His first hand experience of Western atheism is well captured in his poems ... He has one poem titled Nietzsche and lays out how a Muslim ought to use reason ...
No Pakistan was Dr. Iqbal's idea, you can read his letters to Jinnah which are available online.
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aadil77
03-14-2010, 10:28 PM
Originally Posted by Italianguy
I though Sharukh Khan was a Hindu? And Amitabh Bachchan? Are they Muslims?
no they're not, I don't think anyone in the bollywood film industry is actually muslim, they all end up submitting to hindu idol worship, just look at how each film starts with the worshipping of a hindu god
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Italianguy
03-14-2010, 10:38 PM
Originally Posted by aadil77
no they're not, I don't think anyone in the bollywood film industry is actually muslim, they all end up submitting to hindu idol worship, just look at how each film starts with the worshipping of a hindu god
Thats true, I have seen a hundred bollywood movies, and I notice allot of Hindu propaganda in them, I just ignore it. There are a couple of Islamic related bollywood films though, like Jodha Akbar. It's about a Muslim ruler during the persian empire (I think?) who marrys a Hindu woman.
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aadil77
03-14-2010, 10:46 PM
Originally Posted by islamirama
I would not trust zakir naik nor take knowledge from him. You're eman and akhira is on the line, are you going to entrust it to a weak link or the best scholar you can find? Do you go to any laymen doctor or one that knows what he's talking about?
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Bro I think everyone knows that Br Zakir Naik did make mistakes initially when he started giving lectures. I'm not sure if he has clarified them, but I'm sure he doesn't say those same things anymore
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Chuck
03-14-2010, 10:53 PM
Here are few letters:
8th May, 1937

My dear Mr. Jinnah,

Thank you so much for your letter which reached me in due course. I am glad to hear that you will bear in mind what I wrote to you about the changes in the constitution and programme of the League. I have no doubt that you fully realise the gravity of the situation as far as Muslim India is concerned. The League will have to finally decide whether it will remain a body representing the upper classes of Indian Muslims or Muslim masses who have so far, with good reason, no interest in it. Personally I believe that a political organisation which gives no promise of improving the lot of the average Muslim cannot attract our masses.

Under the new constitution the higher posts go to the sons of [the] upper classes; the smaller go to the friends or relatives of the ministers. In other matters too our political institutions have never thought of improving the lot of Muslims generally. The problem of bread is becoming more and more acute. The Muslim has begun to feel that he has been going down and down during the last 200 years. Ordinarily he believes that his poverty is due to Hindu money-lending or capitalism. The perception that equality [is (?)] due to foreign rule has not yet fully come to him. But it is bound to come. The atheistic socialism of Jawahar Lal [Nehru] is not likely to receive much response from the Muslims. The question therefore is: how is it possible to solve the problem of Muslim poverty? And the whole future of the League depends on the League's activity to solve this question. If the League can give no such promises I am sure the Muslim masses will remain indifferent to it as before.

Happily there is a solution in the enforcement of the Law of Islam and its further development in the light of modern ideas. After a long and careful study of Islamic Law I have come to the conclusion that if this system of Law is properly understood and applied, at last the right to subsistence is secured to every body. But the enforcement and development of the Shariat of Islam is impossible in this country without a free Muslim state or states. This has been my honest conviction for many years and I still believe this to be the only way to solve the problem of bread for Muslims as well as to secure a peaceful India.

If such a thing is impossible in India the only other alternative is a civil war which as a matter of fact has been going on for some time in the shape of Hindu Muslim riots. I fear that in certain parts of the country, e.g. N.W. India, Palestine may be repeated.. Also the insertion of Jawarhar Lal's socialism into the body-politic of Hinduism is likely to cause much bloodshed among the Hindus themselves. The issue between social democracy and Brahmanism is not dissimilar to the one between Brahmanism and Buddhism. Whether the fate of socialism will be the same as the fate of Buddhism in India I cannot say. But it is clear to my mind that if Hinduism accepts social democracy it must necessarily cease to be Hinduism.

For Islam the acceptance of social democracy in some suitable form and consistent with the legal pnncp!es of Islam is not a revolution but a return to the original punty of Islam. The modern problems therefore are far more easy to solve for the Musllms than for the Hindus. But as I have said above in order to make it possible for Muslim India to solve the problems it is necessary to redistribute the coun.ry and to provde one or more Muslim states with absolute majorities. Don't you think that the time for such a demand has already arrived? Perhaps this is the best reply you can give to the atheistic socialism of Jawahar Lal Nehru.

Anyhow I have given you my own thoughts in the hope that you will give them serious consideration either in your address or in the discussions of the coming session of the League. Muslim India hopes that at this serious juncture your genius will discover some way out of our present difficulties.

Yours Sincerely,
(Sd.) Mohammad. Iqbal

P.S. On the subject-matter of this letter I intended to write to you a long and open letter in the press. But on further consideration I felt that the present moment was not suitable for such a step.
Private and Confidential
Lahore
June 21st, 1937

My dear Mr. Jinnah,

Thank you so much for your letter which I received yesterday. I know you are a busy man; but I do hope you won't mind my writing to you so often, as you are the only Muslim in India today to whom the community has a right to look up for safe guidance through the storm which is coming to North*West India and perhaps to the whole of India. I tell you that we are actually living in a state of civil war which, but for the police and military, would become universal in no time.

During the last few months there has been a series of Hindu-Muslim riots in India. In North-West India alone there have been at least three riots during the last three months and at least four cases of vilification of the Prophet by Hindus and Sikhs. In each of these four cases, the vilifier has been murdered. There have also been cases of burning of the Qur'an in Sind. I have carefully studied the whole situation and believe that the real cause of these events is nither religious nor economic. It is purely political. I.e., the desire of the Sikhs and Hindus to intimidate Muslims even in the Muslim majority provinces. And the new constitution is such that even in the Muslim majority provinces, the Muslims are made entirely dependent on non-Muslims.

The result is that the Muslim Ministry can take no proper action and are even driven to do injustice to Musiims partly to please those on whom they depend, and partly to show that they are absolutely impartial. Thus it is clear that we have our specific reasons to reject this constitution. It seems to me that the new constitution is devised only to placate the Hindus. In the Hindu majority provinces, the Hindus have of course absolute majorities, and can ignore Muslims altogether. In Muslim majority provinces, the Muslims are made entirely dependent on Hindus. I have no doubt in my mind that this constitution is calculated to do infinite harm to the Indian Muslims. Apart from this it is no solution of the economic problem which is so acute among Muslims.

The only thing that the communal award grants to Muslims is the recognition of their political existence in India. But such a recognition granted to a people whom this constitution does not and cannot help in solving their problem of poverty can be of no value to them. The Congress. President has denied the political existence of Muslims in no unmistakable terms. The other Hindu political body, i.e., the Mahasabha, whom I regard as the real representative of the masses of the Hindus, has declared more than once that a united Hindu*Muslim nation is impossible in India. In these cirecumstances it is obvious that the only way to a peaceful India is a redistribution of the country on the lines of racial, religious and linguistic affinities. Many British statesmen also realise this, and the Hindu-Muslim riots which are rapidly coming in the wake of this constitution are sure further to open their eyes to the real situation in the country. I remember Lord Lothian told me before I left England that my scheme was the only possible solution of the troubles of India, but that may take 25 years to come.


Some Muslims in the Punjab are already suggesting the holding of [a] North-West Indian Muslim Conference, and the idea is rapidly spreading. I agree with you, however, that our community is not yet sufficiently organised and disciplined and perhaps the time for holding such a conference is not yet ripe. But I feel that it would be highly advisable for you to indicate in your address at least the line of action that the Muslims of North-West India would be finally driven to take.

To my mind the new constitution with its idea of a single Indian federation is completely hopeless. A separate federation of Muslim provinces, reformed on the lines I have suggested above, is the only course by which we can secure a peaceful India and save Muslims from the domination of non*Muslims. Why should not the Muslims of North-West India and Bengal be considered as nations entitled to self-determination just as other nations in India and outside India are?

Personally I think that the Muslims of North-West India and Bengal ought at present to ignore Muslim[-minority] provinces. This is the best course to adopt in the interests of both Muslim majority and minority provinces. It will therefore be better to hold the coming session of the League in the Punjab, and not in a Muslim minority province. The month of August is bad in Lahore. I think you should seriously consider the advisability of holding the coming session at Lahore in the middle of October when the weather is quite good in Lahore. The interest in the All-India Muslim League is rapidly growing in the Punjab, and the holding of the coming session in Lahore is likely to give a fresh political awakening to the Punjab Muslims.

Yours sincerely,
(Sd). Mohammad Iqbal
Bar-at-Law
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cat eyes
03-15-2010, 09:13 PM
:wa: i think brothers and sisters we are missing a very important point here.

ive witnessed fully practicing muslims who went astray before my very eyes and those were the same people who use to look down there noses at other muslims

because they were doing so many haraam things so just because we are practicing dose it make us any better then muslims who find it difficult to practice due to weak imaan?

instead of complaining about it, shouldnt we be praying for them instead?

yes shahruk khan is married with hindu its not accepted by the majority of scholars because they have like 100gods but what about those muslim men who marry women from christcianty? they worship there man god also
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aadil77
03-15-2010, 09:22 PM
No one is looking down on him sis and its not just about him marrying a hindu. The guy prays to hindu idols and Allah at the same time, hopefully you know that you can't pray to hindu idols and still call yourself a muslim.
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KittenLover
03-15-2010, 10:00 PM
What I find absolutely amazing is, THE PLOT OF BOLLYWOOD FILMS ARE ALL WAYS THE SAME, LOVE STORY!!!

DON'T PPL GET FED UP?? before it starts you know there's gonna be a love story some where!!

you seen 1 bollywood film you've seen them all.


I used to enjoy watching them but everything that is shown in them is against Islam.

and I've noticed a change in the clothing also, back in the day the actresses used to dress with some self respect now they dress like hookers. yuck
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Binyamine
03-15-2010, 10:04 PM
Peace Mercy And Blessing of Allah be upon all of us.

This is one a very bad one. People like Sharukh Khan, Soha Khan and other people who do not even have the basic knowledge on Islam were called to speak on Islam.

While people like Dr Zakir Naik who is quite knowledgable, all praise be to Allah, was constantly interrupted, and not given the right to speech when he should be.

And what about that weird statement: " i do not need to be a practising muslims, i just need to feel muslim ". From Shahrukh khan^o)

May Allah guide them to the truth.
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cat eyes
03-16-2010, 12:53 PM
Originally Posted by aadil77
No one is looking down on him sis and its not just about him marrying a hindu. The guy prays to hindu idols and Allah at the same time, hopefully you know that you can't pray to hindu idols and still call yourself a muslim.
but people seem to be constantly going on about muslims marrying into hindu women so many muslim go off and marry women from other faith and the kids dont practice islam at all.if u ask me is this more of a serious issue that needs to be addressed. i dont know why in heavens scholars allow these marriages when they know well enough the kids see the mother has role matter
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Predator
03-16-2010, 03:56 PM
The guy prays to hindu idols and Allah at the same time, hopefully you know that you can't pray to hindu idols and still call yourself a muslim.
And also Salman Khan does the same

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKSzB3VcwQ

And then the Fatwa was issued against him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py7sF...aynext_from=PL

These actors mingle with the Kuffaars and then imitate them and as

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 3512; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani.
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Cabdullahi
03-16-2010, 06:02 PM
bollywood is bakwaswood its a simple as that....i used to watch their movies as a child but that was a long time ago...when it was mild and the sound effects delayed like 5 minutes after an action and the good guy fights the bad guy to pull his hair and look at it in astonishment :eek:.
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KittenLover
03-16-2010, 06:59 PM
I just watched this what a load of ignorant Muslim's they brought on the show :hmm:

literally every1 gave their own opinion
"I think the burka or hijaab should be personal choice"
lady we don't give two craps what you think :phew why do people think they have a right to legislate what is acceptable in Islam and what isn't.

We have too many people wanting to follow their own opinion's and desires :raging:

Islam is clear we don't make it up as we go along according to ourselves, if your a Muslim your opinion don't mean jack when it comes to matters of the deen. The only opinions that matter are Allah's and the messenger and the first 3 generations.

why do people find it so hard to get this concept? :raging:

so many people say
"well I think this"
when it really doesn't matter what you think, unless your a rasool of Allah who is receiving inspiration from Allah which is not possible.

the response of the believers is
"we hear and we obey"
not
"we hear but we think this instead"
seeing such ignorant "Muslim's" really does my head in if they don't wanna follow it why don't they just call themselves something else instead of Muslim.

that would be better than giving your own opinion and interpretation and following the religion according to your desires. :raging:

Islam isn't a religion where you give your own input, it's a religion where you follow and ask for the ruling on a certain thing according to Qur'an wa sunnah.
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Cabdullahi
03-16-2010, 07:01 PM
Originally Posted by KittenLover
I just watched this what a load of ignorant Muslim's they brought on the show :hmm:

literally every1 gave their own opinion lady we don't give two craps what you think :phew why do people think they have a right to legislate what is acceptable in Islam and what isn't.

We have too many people wanting to follow their own opinion's and desires :raging:

Islam is clear we don't make it up as we go along according to ourselves, if your a Muslim your opinion don't mean jack when it comes to matters of the deen. The only opinions that matter are Allah's and the messenger and the first 3 generations.

why do people find it so hard to get this concept? :raging:

so many people say when it really doesn't matter what you think, unless your a rasool of Allah who is receiving inspiration from Allah which is not possible.

the response of the believers isnot

seeing such ignorant "Muslim's" really does my head in if they don't wanna follow it why don't they just call themselves something else instead of Muslim.

that would be better than giving your own opinion and interpretation and following the religion according to your desires. :raging:
Someone wants to kill someone....madame stay away from the big kitchen knife until you cool down :nervous:
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KittenLover
03-16-2010, 07:05 PM
Originally Posted by Abdullahii
Someone wants to kill someone....madame stay away from the big kitchen knife until you cool down :nervous:
I'm just deflated, desiring change but not likely to see it. May Allah guide them to the realization that they're meant to follow and not legislate for themselves.
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Cabdullahi
03-16-2010, 07:09 PM
Originally Posted by KittenLover
I'm just deflated, desiring change but not likely to see it. May Allah guide them to the realization that they're meant to follow and not legislate for themselves.
Im tired of seeing people like that...it breaks my heart, so i've decided not to pay attention anymore to ppl like that.



Its a done deal...finish...finito!
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KittenLover
03-16-2010, 07:11 PM
Originally Posted by Abdullahii
Im tired of seeing people like that...it breaks my heart, so i've decided not to pay attention anymore to ppl like that.



Its a done deal...finish...finito!
makes note of verse, I feel like getting a stamp with that verse on it and stamping it on their foreheads!
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SMA89
03-16-2010, 07:32 PM
Originally Posted by KittenLover
I just watched this what a load of ignorant Muslim's they brought on the show :hmm:

literally every1 gave their own opinion lady we don't give two craps what you think :phew why do people think they have a right to legislate what is acceptable in Islam and what isn't.

We have too many people wanting to follow their own opinion's and desires :raging:

Islam is clear we don't make it up as we go along according to ourselves, if your a Muslim your opinion don't mean jack when it comes to matters of the deen. The only opinions that matter are Allah's and the messenger and the first 3 generations.

why do people find it so hard to get this concept? :raging:

so many people say when it really doesn't matter what you think, unless your a rasool of Allah who is receiving inspiration from Allah which is not possible.

the response of the believers isnot

seeing such ignorant "Muslim's" really does my head in if they don't wanna follow it why don't they just call themselves something else instead of Muslim.

that would be better than giving your own opinion and interpretation and following the religion according to your desires. :raging:

Islam isn't a religion where you give your own input, it's a religion where you follow and ask for the ruling on a certain thing according to Qur'an wa sunnah.
lol you sound like the devil. Let people have freedom to choose what they want to do. I call myself muslim because I follow Islam and do good in this world. Why are you getting mad if people are calling themselves muslims. Its just a word. Allah is the one who decides who is Good or Bad... not u. Thats why Zakir Naik said dont look at the muslims.. look at Islam. Thats why I dont care what religion you are from unless you Love God, Love People, Love Life and do Good in this world. You are an example of an extremist, just read what you wrote and look at how much Hate is coming out of you. Does Allah love those who hate other people?
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KittenLover
03-16-2010, 07:32 PM
Originally Posted by SMA89
I agreed to everything that ShahRukh Khan said.

Not the exact words but this is what he said:
"Just because you are not a specialist in Islam doesnt make you less of a muslim."
I remember KittenLover made a whole thread questioning if we should call a Moderate muslim a muslim or not. The answer is if he submits to God, then he is a muslim. Even Dr. Naik said that. A Christian is a Muslim, a Jew is a Muslim and etc.
Most of the people on this forum are TOO Strict and Extreme. I am happy you posted this video, so we can see different views of muslims.

"It is better to feel like a muslim than to look like one."
I really liked this quote because I am doing everything good as a human being and I am confident enough that I know that Allah loves me for what I do.
Yes brother I did make a thread about this cos I could not comprehend how some 1 could call themselve a Muslim and pick which verses of the Qur'an they submit to.

are you submitting to God when your happily drinking alcohol with your friends? When it is clearly been made unlawful by god?? what kind of submission is this?? submission to ur desires?
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KittenLover
03-16-2010, 07:37 PM
Originally Posted by SMA89
lol you sound like the devil. Let people have freedom to choose what they want to do. I call myself muslim because I follow Islam and do good in this world. Why are you getting mad if people are calling themselves muslims. Its just a word. Allah is the one who decides who is Good or Bad... not u. Thats why Zakir Naik said dont look at the muslims.. look at Islam.
You would know he probably loves joining your alcohol sessions, of course people can have the freedom to choose what they want to do but they shouldn't call themselves Muslim then, cos it's contradicting.

Muslim means 1 who submits to the commands of God, therefore you don't have total freedom to do what you want.

You live your life in adherance to the commands of God hence your a Muslim (one who submits to god)

yes Allah decides who is good or bad and what is the criterion Allah uses? the criterion for what is good and bad is the Qur'an.

So if your doing something against the commandments in the Qur'an it's bad according to god.

aka haraam.
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SMA89
03-16-2010, 07:39 PM
Originally Posted by KittenLover
Yes brother I did make a thread about this cos I could not comprehend how some 1 could call themselve a Muslim and pick which verses of the Qur'an they submit to.

are you submitting to God when your happily drinking alcohol with your friends? When it is clearly been made unlawful by god?? what kind of submission is this?? submission to ur desires?
I dont abuse it. I know my limits. The reason prophet Mohammed doesnt want us to drink is because it leads to other sins but I have self control. By the way, The alcohol people drink ranges from 1-45% alcohol, the one you put on your body is 100%. So are the people who are putting rubbing alcohol on their body commiting a sin?
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SMA89
03-16-2010, 07:41 PM
Originally Posted by KittenLover
You would know he probably loves joining your alcohol sessions, of course people can have the freedom to choose what they want to do but they shouldn't call themselves Muslim then, cos it's contradicting.

Muslim means 1 who submits to the commands of God, therefore you don't have total freedom to do what you want.

You live your life in adherance to the commands of God hence your a Muslim (one who submits to god)

yes Allah decides who is good or bad and what is the criterion Allah uses? the criterion for what is good and bad is the Qur'an.

So if your doing something against the commandments in the Qur'an it's bad according to god.

aka haraam.
Why is it bad? Do you know the positive effects of Red Wine? Try to read the Quran, using your brain instead of following it blindly. Allah has recommended us to enjoy the fruits of the Earth so I think there might be a contradiction between Fruits and Wine.
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SMA89
03-16-2010, 07:42 PM
Just out of Curiosity, Why does the Quran state that there will be Rivers of wine in Heaven. It must be a good thing then dont you think?
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KittenLover
03-16-2010, 07:45 PM
Originally Posted by SMA89
I dont abuse it. I know my limits. The reason prophet Mohammed doesnt want us to drink is because it leads to other sins but I have self control. By the way, The alcohol people drink ranges from 1-45% alcohol, the one you put on your body is 100%. So are the people who are putting rubbing alcohol on their body commiting a sin?
LOL the issue is not whether you abuse it or not, the issue is God doesn't like it:D

regardless if you have self control, and what alcohol do people rub in their bodies that intoxicates them?

next your probably gonna say

"well if you don't drink to the point your intoxicated it's ok to drink"

all I'm gonna say is submit to Allah a true submittance, not picking and choosing what agree's with you.
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SMA89
03-16-2010, 07:46 PM
Originally Posted by KittenLover
LOL the issue is not whether you abuse it or not, the issue is God doesn't like it:D

regardless if you have self control, and what alcohol do people rub in their bodies that intoxicates them?

next your probably gonna say

"well if you don't drink to the point your intoxicated it's ok to drink"

all I'm gonna say is submit to Allah a true submittance, not picking and choosing what agree's with you.
If God doesnt like it then why is there rivers of wine in heaven?
I am not a heavy drinker. I only drink at formal parties for work and etc. Im sure Allah can forgive me for the good I have done for the world and also for the good I plan on doing for the world. After all Allah is Most Forgiving :)
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KittenLover
03-16-2010, 07:46 PM
Originally Posted by SMA89
Just out of Curiosity, Why does the Quran state that there will be Rivers of wine in Heaven. It must be a good thing then dont you think?
The river's of wine in jannah won't have intoxicating effects :D you won't lose your senses and find yourself fornicatting with your mother.
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Uthman
03-16-2010, 07:50 PM
:salamext:
Originally Posted by SMA89
The reason prophet Mohammed doesnt want us to drink is because it leads to other sins
Could you please post the daleel (evidence) for this from the Qur'an and/or Sunnah? :)

Thanks.
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SMA89
03-16-2010, 07:52 PM
Originally Posted by KittenLover
The river's of wine in jannah won't have intoxicating effects :D you won't lose your senses and find yourself fornicatting with your mother.
lol dont bring my mom into this. What kind of muslim are you to talk about fornicating with my mother. I drank wine before and I am still a virgin so your analogy is wrong that everyone who drinks fornicates. I am strong enough to control my senses.
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KittenLover
03-16-2010, 07:54 PM
Originally Posted by SMA89
If God doesnt like it then why is there rivers of wine in heaven?
I am not a heavy drinker. I only drink at formal parties for work and etc. Im sure Allah can forgive me for the good I have done for the world and also for the good I plan on doing for the world. After all Allah is Most Forgiving :)

"The rulings (ahkaam) of this world are not like the rulings of the Hereafter. The wine of this world causes people to lose their minds, unlike the good wine of the Hereafter which does not make people lose their minds or cause headaches or stomachaches".


Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
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SMA89
03-16-2010, 07:55 PM
KittenLover just out of curiousity do you enjoy life that you live right now and are you happy?
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SMA89
03-16-2010, 07:56 PM
Originally Posted by KittenLover
"The rulings (ahkaam) of this world are not like the rulings of the Hereafter. The wine of this world causes people to lose their minds, unlike the good wine of the Hereafter which does not make people lose their minds or cause headaches or stomachaches".


Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

Alcohol makes me happy and joyful. It creates an environment where everyone is happy. I dont have headaches, stomachaches and I dont lose my mind. So it has a positive effect on me. Only those negative effects occur to the people that abuse it.
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KittenLover
03-16-2010, 07:58 PM
Originally Posted by SMA89
lol dont bring my mom into this. What kind of muslim are you to talk about fornicating with my mother. I drank wine before and I am still a virgin so your analogy is wrong that everyone who drinks fornicates. I am strong enough to control my senses.
That was a general example of what sometimes happens when people get drunk I wasn't referring specifically to you or insulting your mother in any way. So please forgive me if you felt I was insulting your mother.

But stuff like that does happen. People end up fornicatting on aeroplanes in public. You lose all sense of shame.

I didn't say every 1 who drinks ends up fornicatting :hmm: but that could be 1 of the outcomes.
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KittenLover
03-16-2010, 08:00 PM
Originally Posted by SMA89
KittenLover just out of curiousity do you enjoy life that you live right now and are you happy?
Alhamdulilah I'm high on the rememberance of Allah and obeying his commandments :D I don't need worldy things to make me happy like expensive clothes and foods.

Earning the pleasure of Allah is what makes me happy :D
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SMA89
03-16-2010, 08:02 PM
Intoxicants were forbidden in the Qur'an through several separate verses revealed at different times over a period of years. At first, it was forbidden for Muslims to attend to prayers while intoxicated (4:43). Then a later verse was revealed which said that alcohol contains some good and some evil, but the evil is greater than the good (2:219). This was the next step in turning people away from consumption of it. Finally, "intoxicants and games of chance" were called "abominations of Satan's handiwork," intended to turn people away from God and forget about prayer, and Muslims were ordered to abstain (5:90-91). (Note - the Qur'an is not arranged chronologically, so later verses of the book were not necessarily revealed after earlier verses.) In the first verse cited above, the word for "intoxicated" is sukara which is derived from the word "sugar" and means drunk or intoxicated. That verse doesn't mention the drink which makes one so. In the next verses cited, the word which is often translated as "wine" or "intoxicants" is al-khamr, which is related to the verb "to ferment." This word could be used to describe other intoxicants such as beer, although wine is the most common understanding of the word.
Muslims interpret these verses in total to forbid any intoxicating substance -- whether it be wine, beer, gin, whiskey, or whatever. The result is the same, and the Qur'an outlines that it is the intoxication, which makes one forgetful of God and prayer, which is harmful. Over the years, the list of intoxicating substances has come to include more modern street drugs and the like.
The Prophet Muhammad also instructed his followers, at the time, to avoid any intoxicating substances -- (paraphrased) "if it intoxicates in a large amount, it is forbidden even in a small amount." For this reason, most observant Muslims avoid alcohol in any form, even small amounts that are sometimes used in cooking.
Why didnt Allah give a Direct solution about drinking? It clearly shows that muslims were drinking even when Prophet Mohammed was in power.
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SMA89
03-16-2010, 08:06 PM
Originally Posted by KittenLover
Alhamdulilah I'm high on the rememberance of Allah and obeying his commandments :D I don't need worldy things to make me happy like expensive clothes and foods.

Earning the pleasure of Allah is what makes me happy :D
I also have love for Allah and I have confidence that he loves me but what are you doing on Earth? Don't waste your life, why not do something good and productive also while you submit to God. There are some muslims who call this Earth hell, and neglect life and only pray to Allah. Allah created this beautiful Earth for us to live and enjoy life. Not be depressed/sad filled with hatred towards other people and only love Allah. We are here to submit to Allah and also take care of the Earth to create a better future for the next generation.
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KittenLover
03-16-2010, 08:21 PM
Originally Posted by SMA89
Why didnt Allah give a Direct solution about drinking? It clearly shows that muslims were drinking even when Prophet Mohammed was in power.
lol, your talking as if alcohol is essential as food, it's only a drink my friend that has potential to cause harm.

yes at the beginning alcohol wasn't made forbidden by Allah for the simple reason that the people's emaan was not high enough to give up harmful luxeries of this life.

That's why you find the surah's that were revealed in Makkah concentrate on belief in Allah and spirituallness, they focus on tawheed and believing in the oness of Allah, hardly any commandments were revealed during the Makkah stage cos Islam had just begun being preached and the believe in Allah was not as strong as it would later become, Islam was a new religion.

But later on when the people's faith had become firm and their hearts had firm emaan, that's when all the prohibitions started to come down, amongst those prohobitions was alcohol, when it was revealed that alcohol had been made forbidden, people were puking up what they had jus drunk, they were emptying the bottles in the streets.

till there was streams, now let me ask you it is clear that the prophet pbuh forbade drinking, and his companions emptied the bottles in the street and puked up their insides to get it out.

So why do you take the matter so lightly? Are you better than the companions?

the issue is not that you drink alcohol, this is common amongst Muslims' who are struggling with this sin due to lifes pressures.

drinking alcohol is a sin and we all fall into sins, the issue is you drink alcohol and think it's not haraam and there's nothing wrong with it, you accept it as to be lawful and harmless.

If you had said
"I'm struggling with the sin of drinking alcohol, I'm trying to give it up but it's hard"
I would have had sympathy for you.

But you completely make your own ruling and say drinking alcohol is fine there's nothing wrong with it, god doesn't mind it.

You may as well make your own religion and claim yourself to be a prophet of god who has the right to legislate.

infact many false prophet's have tried to change Islam in the past, just like you.
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Chuck
03-16-2010, 08:51 PM
Everybody ignored Dr Iqbal's letters. Anyhow, they are so profound and thoughtful.
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