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Getoffmyback
03-30-2010, 07:43 AM
I always ask myself about what happened with christians that made them let go the beauty of religion or faith to the hands of hollywood directors . Why do they accept such things?


thanks for the hard work and sacrifice of some jealous muslims we didn't come to the level to watch our prophets in a sex comedy or what ever movie they are fabricating. Even the religious areas like the ka'ba or mosques are not used as a party scene in some stupid american dumb humor movie.


Why do christians allow movies like (dogma) in it you see a funny sculpted statue of jesus giving the dude attitude ! .....


(The last temptations of christ) shows how jesus was in a ***** house watching men taking turns over magdalena the whole movie is repulsive.

(Saved) i hope that kids are not watching this movie its all about teenagers . Maybe hollywood made the rating on that one a Pg13 , you will see how kids are making fun of jesus in a weird way .

(The monty python: life of brian) lol the three wise men lost their way and ended up at brian's house thinking he is jesus ,(the monty python and the holy grail) you know you can add anything made by the pythons.


And many other movies i have a long list. So Whats going on with christians how can they accept all this nonsense ? They are 2.7 billion and No one have the guts to do anything.

I know that they are jealous of how muslims are still maintaining the morals up. I don't want my religion to be used as a script for a hollywood disgusting movie who the hell they think the are .anyway Its over my dead body only. and the 1.5 billion will never allow that to happened.
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Ummu Sufyaan
03-30-2010, 08:12 AM
what do you expect people to do when they dont take their own beliefs seriously and who (some of them) are malicious and envious of those whose deen (:shade:) has remained untainted? what do you expect of people who have their book and leaders corrupted and tampered with? from where will the sincerity come?

i'd say more, but i think i'll get in trouble :hiding:
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Ramadhan
03-30-2010, 08:21 AM
Well, in christianity, as long as you love jesus, anything else goes.

If their popes and priests and pastors and nuns and ministers etc who are supposedly to be in communion with god and holy spirit committed unspeakable crimes (in the past and recent times) and got away with it, what can you expect from laymen christians?
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ardianto
03-30-2010, 08:21 AM
The last temptation of Christ movie was released 22 years ago, .... at 1988 !

It based on the novel that written by a Greek novelist, Nikos Kazantzakis. The novel itself is banned.

This movie became a controversial movie and got many protests from Christian people. In 1988, some French Catholic threw 'molotov cocktail' to a cinema in Paris as a protest for this movie, several people were injured.
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Getoffmyback
03-30-2010, 01:59 PM
Originally Posted by ardianto
The last temptation of Christ movie was released 22 years ago, .... at 1988 !

It based on the novel that written by a Greek novelist, Nikos Kazantzakis. The novel itself is banned.

This movie became a controversial movie and got many protests from Christian people. In 1988, some French Catholic threw 'molotov cocktail' to a cinema in Paris as a protest for this movie, several people were injured.

This particular movie is TOO MUCH . I can understand Why would someone throw molotov.
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ardianto
03-31-2010, 03:59 AM
What do you think about it ?.


'New Prophet Noah' and God in Evan Almighty (2007).
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Amadeus85
03-31-2010, 10:02 AM
Without knowing the history,
without knowing who established United States of America,
without the knowledge about French Revolution,
without knowing who stands behind modern capitalism and also socialism,
without knowing on what rules are based american and european constitution,
you will never have answers to your questions in this topic.
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ardianto
03-31-2010, 01:43 PM
Originally Posted by Amadeus85
Without knowing the history,
without knowing who established United States of America,
without the knowledge about French Revolution,
without knowing who stands behind modern capitalism and also socialism,
without knowing on what rules are based american and european constitution,
you will never have answers to your questions in this topic.
Okay, okay, I'll go to library. :D
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Supreme
03-31-2010, 01:53 PM
Originally Posted by Getoffmyback
I always ask myself about what happened with christians that made them let go the beauty of religion or faith to the hands of hollywood directors . Why do they accept such things?


thanks for the hard work and sacrifice of some jealous muslims we didn't come to the level to watch our prophets in a sex comedy or what ever movie they are fabricating. Even the religious areas like the ka'ba or mosques are not used as a party scene in some stupid american dumb humor movie.


Why do christians allow movies like (dogma) in it you see a funny sculpted statue of jesus giving the dude attitude ! .....


(The last temptations of christ) shows how jesus was in a ***** house watching men taking turns over magdalena the whole movie is repulsive.

(Saved) i hope that kids are not watching this movie its all about teenagers . Maybe hollywood made the rating on that one a Pg13 , you will see how kids are making fun of jesus in a weird way .

(The monty python: life of brian) lol the three wise men lost their way and ended up at brian's house thinking he is jesus ,(the monty python and the holy grail) you know you can add anything made by the pythons.


And many other movies i have a long list. So Whats going on with christians how can they accept all this nonsense ? They are 2.7 billion and No one have the guts to do anything.

I know that they are jealous of how muslims are still maintaining the morals up. I don't want my religion to be used as a script for a hollywood disgusting movie who the hell they think the are .anyway Its over my dead body only. and the 1.5 billion will never allow that to happened.
Maybe it's because we're... not offended? Call me cocky, but I believe that my religion is the path of truth: people can think and mock what they like, is it going to 'offend' me? Of course not, the words of men are needless and not offensive when you know the truth. OK, put it another way: say someone insulted you to your face, say they called you fat when you were actually thin- would it offend you? Of course not, because you know the truth, and nobody can change that truth.

I can see where you're coming from, but Christianity isn't a religion that goes into a defensive shell whenever an insult is thrown its way. The words of men are nothing more than hot air, especially when we believe God will reward us for our calmness and 'turn the other cheek' attitude.
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Kris
03-31-2010, 01:56 PM
So what would you expect them to do? Not reacting in public doesn't mean agree with it, does it?
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Danah
03-31-2010, 01:59 PM
I remember asking a Christian about publishing "The Manga Bible" and whether its okay for them to get all holy characters in their religion -including their god- in this book pictured like that...the Christian guy said that its okay!
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Kris
03-31-2010, 02:19 PM
I guess not all the christian people would say the same... you can have the progressives and the conseravatives, like I call them. Progressives usually want more change, a more open view and such. Conservatives rather keep the traditions. Most of the people are in between, of course. Now I think the guy you mentioned will have been a little more progressive. However I don't think it would be a very bad idea to make a manga of the Bible. It depends on how it's made: it must tell the truth, and can't make fun of holy people of course. But if it's done well, I think that it might be able to find a better way to spread the Message.
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Getoffmyback
03-31-2010, 03:57 PM
Originally Posted by Supreme
Maybe it's because we're... not offended? Call me cocky, but I believe that my religion is the path of truth: people can think and mock what they like, is it going to 'offend' me? Of course not, the words of men are needless and not offensive when you know the truth. OK, put it another way: say someone insulted you to your face, say they called you fat when you were actually thin- would it offend you? Of course not, because you know the truth, and nobody can change that truth.

I can see where you're coming from, but Christianity isn't a religion that goes into a defensive shell whenever an insult is thrown its way. The words of men are nothing more than hot air, especially when we believe God will reward us for our calmness and 'turn the other cheek' attitude.
You should watch the movie (the last temptations of christ) before you put on your shoulder the answer "WE are not offended"

My questions is what happened for christians that made them let go the beauty and prestige of religion into the hands of the low lifes of hollywood which in return hollywood is really contributing in lowering the society . Why did they allow that to happened . Is there a benefit out of this nonsense?
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Supreme
03-31-2010, 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by Getoffmyback
You should watch the movie (the last temptations of christ) before you put on your shoulder the answer "WE are not offended"

My questions is what happened for christians that made them let go the beauty and prestige of religion into the hands of the low lifes of hollywood which in return hollywood is really contributing in lowering the society . Why did they allow that to happened . Is there a benefit out of this nonsense?
I'm sorry, but that is purely erroneous. How on Earth did you conclude that Christianity lost its beauty because a few Hollywood films were made mocking some Christian beliefs? Every religion has its beauty, and that beauty is not taken away or lost because some Hollywood fatcats want to chase the Yankee dollar.

Also, they allowed it happen because as I previously said, Christians in general do not get offended by trivial matters.
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Asiyah3
03-31-2010, 04:30 PM
I'm not suprised... at all.
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'Abd Al-Maajid
03-31-2010, 04:36 PM
Originally Posted by ardianto
Okay, okay, I'll go to library. :D
Library wont tell you the truth nor the Wikipedia....;D;D;D watch some documentaries, John Nada, Alex Jones...
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Getoffmyback
03-31-2010, 06:50 PM
Originally Posted by Amadeus85
Without knowing the history,
without knowing who established United States of America,
without the knowledge about French Revolution,
without knowing who stands behind modern capitalism and also socialism,
without knowing on what rules are based american and european constitution,
you will never have answers to your questions in this topic.
i have an idea about the american constitution , ive seen how the constitution deals with religion in the movie (the people vs larry flynt) which is based on a true story!

i like what u said that to answer the topic you need to dig in the past , it takes more than a post to figure it all out , but liberals always amazes me ;D
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Hester
03-31-2010, 06:59 PM
I think most Christians will say that reacting violently against these Hollywood jerks is much more disgusting than anything they can put in their movies. The best thing to do is pray that they will see the light.
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marwen
03-31-2010, 07:00 PM
I think it's up to Christians if they are so tolerant. May be they think their religion will be better if they accept these films or pictures about their Sanctities. I respect their tolerance, I mean they know about their religion more than muslims, and we are not supposed to tell them to behave like we do.
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Hester
03-31-2010, 07:36 PM
Originally Posted by ardianto
Okay, okay, I'll go to library. :D

There's no need to go to the library. Thanks to the Internet, you can now get an Ivy League education from your home.

The American Founders and Their WorldiTunes – Jack Rakove, Gordon Wood, etc. Stanford

Colonial and Revolutionary AmericaiTunesU – Jack Rakove, Stanford

The Western Tradition (Video)VideosCourse Outline – Eugen Weber, UCLA

European Civilization, 1648-1945 - iTunesYouTubeDownload Course – John Merriman, Yale

Introduction to Political PhilosophyYouTubeiTunesDownload Course, Steven B. Smith, Yale
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Amadeus85
03-31-2010, 09:02 PM
Originally Posted by ardianto
Okay, okay, I'll go to library. :D

The authors - Joseph de Maistre, Juan Donoso Cortes, Jaime Balmes, Charles Maurras, Ramiro de Maeztu, Plinio Correa de Oliveira.
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freethinking
04-09-2010, 10:46 AM
I am still waiting to know having rewad all the posts in this thread in what way Chrisitans " compromise" Pls provide examples of what you man and I will happily exxplain them to you one by one

Blessings to all
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freethinking
04-09-2010, 10:47 AM
PS, I suspect it is about people being "religious" i.e superstitious and humanistc
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Getoffmyback
04-10-2010, 02:22 PM
Originally Posted by freethinking
I am still waiting to know having rewad all the posts in this thread in what way Chrisitans " compromise" Pls provide examples of what you man and I will happily exxplain them to you one by one

Blessings to all
My post is not clear? You didn't find any questions or examples in it?
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glo
04-10-2010, 08:04 PM
Originally Posted by Getoffmyback
I always ask myself about what happened with christians that made them let go the beauty of religion or faith to the hands of hollywood directors . Why do they accept such things?
I don't think it is to do with compromising.

I think Christians have a different attitude to these things because they ultimately believe in a God who came down to Earth and lived an earthly life, was mocked and ridiculed and suffered at the hands of his enemies, died a terrible death ... and still managed to forgive and say 'Forgive them, for they don't know what they do' ... and rose in glory from the dead!

This guy, Jesus, calls us to follow his example and do as he did.

I believe that's the reason why Christians tend to be more forgiving about these things ...

I don't know all the films you mention in your post, but some films (such as Evan Almighty) deal with questions people have about God. They may not be Biblically accurate, but they help people to engage with the concept of God, and therefore help them to ponder their purpose in life and to find to God in that way.
Many people don't enter their faith journey by simply subscribing to one belief and following it blindly - but many people need to engage with the idea and find their own way.
In that sense many of those filme - even if they seem blasphemous to to devout believer may help non-believers to find their own faith.
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freethinking
04-11-2010, 01:10 AM
Originally Posted by glo
I don't think it is to do with compromising.

I think Christians have a different attitude to these things because they ultimately believe in a God who came down to Earth and lived an earthly life, was mocked and ridiculed and suffered at the hands of his enemies, died a terrible death ... and still managed to forgive and say 'Forgive them, for they don't know what they do' ... and rose in glory from the dead!

This guy, Jesus, calls us to follow his example and do as he did.

I believe that's the reason why Christians tend to be more forgiving about these things ...

I don't know all the films you mention in your post, but some films (such as Evan Almighty) deal with questions people have about God. They may not be Biblically accurate, but they help people to engage with the concept of God, and therefore help them to ponder their purpose in life and to find to God in that way.
Many people don't enter their faith journey by simply subscribing to one belief and following it blindly - but many people need to engage with the idea and find their own way.
In that sense many of those filme - even if they seem blasphemous to to devout believer may help non-believers to find their own faith.
I regre to say with respect you re fundamentally wrong.
Consider this and I know you pick and choose which parts of thr Bible suit you, that prior to Jesus coming to Earth the way to repent of sin was to offer a Blood sacrife through animals.

Therefore the way to attonment was throuh a Blood sacrfice. Yet people continued to sin prompted by corrupitve influences of demons.
God knew that we are not perfect since Adam disobeyed God and sent his only Son to rescuse us whio belive and have True faith in our hearts.

It is foretold in the OT book of Isiah how Jeus would set us free and willingly paid the price with Glorious Grace.
To mock this idea is to show ignorance of Gods universal laws and to deny Gods all encompassing LOVE for us.

Bless you to learn the Truth
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glo
04-11-2010, 03:08 PM
Originally Posted by freethinking
I regre to say with respect you re fundamentally wrong.
Consider this and I know you pick and choose which parts of thr Bible suit you, that prior to Jesus coming to Earth the way to repent of sin was to offer a Blood sacrife through animals.

Therefore the way to attonment was throuh a Blood sacrfice. Yet people continued to sin prompted by corrupitve influences of demons.
God knew that we are not perfect since Adam disobeyed God and sent his only Son to rescuse us whio belive and have True faith in our hearts.

It is foretold in the OT book of Isiah how Jeus would set us free and willingly paid the price with Glorious Grace.


Bless you to learn the Truth
I agree with your post, and I am not sure which part of my post you are so fundamentally disagreeing with or why you should think that I am picking and choosing from the Bible to suit myself ... :)

Perhaps we differ not so much in how we understand the atonement for mankind through Jesus' sacrifice - but in how we feel we should respond to those who don't believe in the same thing.

To mock this idea is to show ignorance of Gods universal laws and to deny Gods all encompassing LOVE for us.
I agree that people who mock Jesus, God and the Christian are probably ignorant of God's universal laws and his love for us - either that or they know God and deliberately try to turn against him. :hmm:


Still, returning to the original question, why (some) Christians seem to put up with other mocking God and their faith - what do you think our response should be to such things?

Should we
  • demonstrate against such events?
  • start discussions?
  • boycott them?
  • try to prevent them?
  • ignore them?
  • pray for those you are misguided?





I am reminded of a conversation I had with the minister in our church.
We have a small library of Christian books, which members of the congregation can borrow and read at no charge.
I had offered to tidy up the bookshelf, and I had asked the minister if he wanted to check the books to make sure that the content was in line with his/the churches theology.
His reply was that he wasn't too worried about that, and that almost any book which prompted people to think about Jesus and God was good in his view.

What do you think about that?
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جوري
04-11-2010, 04:15 PM
  • demonstrate against such events?

Can you protest that others don't agree with your theology?

  • start discussions?

What good is there in hammering in points that no one else accepts as natural or logical, perhaps force feed it to them as has been done through the ages?

  • boycott them?
in my opinion that is the best approach, if you are unhappy in a place because people don't agree with your theology, furthermore your hosts find your advances and bulk literature erroneous and meaningless it is best to take it else where folks are ready to imbue whatever nonsense you dish out without question!

  • try to prevent them?

The dark ages of the church where folks who spoke against obsolete and erroneous beliefs were sentenced to death are long over..

  • ignore them?

along with boycott, I think that too is fairly reasonable


  • pray for those you are misguided?

You may as well be praying to the devil. If you are not praying to the one God, and the God you pray too wants nothing to do with your theology and the people you are allegedly praying for find your prayers to border upon an annoyance then it is safe to conclude that it is a waste of everyone's time!
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جوري
04-11-2010, 04:18 PM
Originally Posted by freethinking

It is foretold in the OT book of Isiah how Jeus would set us free and willingly paid the price with Glorious Grace.
To mock this idea is to show ignorance of Gods universal laws and to deny Gods all encompassing LOVE for us.
Why don't the Jews then buy into your brand of Christianity if it were 'foretold' in their OT?
your really should think about that along with other (in my humble opinion more grave and serious aspects of your religion) like why a god who forsake himself and was helpless at best against a couple of provincial villagers could possibly save you, also given the event of his death!

all the best
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