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Masuma
04-25-2010, 08:03 PM
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“Freedom of Speech” is a widely used statement nowadays everywhere in the world. But does it also include insulting other people and damaging their reputation? If yes, then such type of “Freedom of Speech” is not at all appreciated in Islam. Islam gives a lot of stress on protecting an individual’s reputation.

There should always be a separating line between a “joke” and an “insult”. Injuring someone’s reputation is an immoral act. Such type of “shows” insults just anyone they want for ENTERTAINMENT REASONS (for God’s sake!) Yukh! If this is not pathetic and disgusting then what is it?

Can’t there be some decent ways of getting entertained? In the name of humor, they go as far as making fun of our beloved Prophets! (uff tobah!) They make fun of Prophet Muhammad, Jesus, Moses etc (may peace be on them all).:astagfiru

So brother/sister in Islam or brother/sister in humanity, don’t you think that such “Shows” should be banned?

Just look at their gross and fungal mentality that they would not even resist making fun of handicap people! How unacceptable!!! :raging:

I know that there are many indecent and evil people who would watch porn and would support such “Shows” but I think (and strongly wish) that not the whole world is like them!
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Skavau
04-25-2010, 08:51 PM
No, just don't watch it if it offends you.
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Supreme
04-25-2010, 09:28 PM
Originally Posted by Skavau
No, just don't watch it if it offends you.
This. You can even put controls on your TV I think that prevent you from watching shows like it. I strongly dislike South Park, but thanks to a little something called FREE WILL, I never watch it.
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aadil77
04-25-2010, 09:32 PM
I like south park, don't watch it much, but they should keep religion out of it
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PouringRain
04-25-2010, 09:33 PM
I dislike South Park and I have never watched it. I can't say if it should be banned or not, from what little I do know about it.

Am I a fan of free speech? Nope. I will be the first to say that I do not support free speech. :)
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جوري
04-27-2010, 02:55 PM
Offensive shouldn't be the norm and if you don't like it turn off your set.. it should be the other way around.. you won't have so many pathetic hateful turds roaming the earth because bad behavior and offensive material was spoon fed them from childood's hour!
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Amadeus85
04-27-2010, 10:12 PM
Of course that such shows should be banned. Censorship should back, total freedom of speech is a huge heretical idioticism.
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aadil77
04-28-2010, 07:57 AM
Not all of south park should be banned just some episodes which are insensitive to religious beliefs
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cat eyes
04-28-2010, 10:47 AM
Originally Posted by aadil77
Not all of south park should be banned just some episodes which are insensitive to religious beliefs
but when they are not slagging off religion they slag off other things bro you might think its innocent to laugh at it... but its actually real life people they make fun of.
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Skavau
04-28-2010, 01:07 PM
Do the proponents of totalitarianism believe also that comedy shows such as Have I Got News For You, Mock The Week etc are also offensive and ought to be banned?
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جوري
04-28-2010, 04:06 PM
Originally Posted by Skavau
Do the proponents of totalitarianism believe also that comedy shows such as Have I Got News For You, Mock The Week etc are also offensive and ought to be banned?
Go make fun of this:
http://bbs.news.163.com/bbs/photo/86705095.html

it seems right up your alley.. and it is precisely why I believe that atheists have no morals, no conscious, have no idea where to draw the line at humor vs. denigratory and libelous.. everywhere atheists have been, have left the world with their spawn not unlike the cruel ***** in those photos.. she found it amusing I am sure.. alot of things are amusing indeed.. go be amused with folks like yourself.. there is no room for animals and animalistic behavior amongst civilized citizens!
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Skavau
04-28-2010, 04:15 PM
Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
I believe I know what that is. I have seen it before. Several internet groups (primarily consisting of the non-religious) attempted to take action against her for doing that. She was arrested eventually I believe. I do not condone the killing or harming of animals for entertainment and never have. That is hardly comparable to Mock The Week and Have I Got News For You - which I asked, would others here have banned for being offensive (and they can be, the panelists actually outright mock real people every week).

it seems right up your alley.. and it is precisely why I believe that atheists have no morals, no conscious,
It isn't up my alley at all. How do you get from crude humour and black humour to gaining enjoyment and amusement out of the killing of life?

have no idea where to draw the line at humor vs. denigratory and libelous.. everywhere atheists have been, have left the world with their spawn not unlike the cruel ***** in those photos.. she found it amusing I am sure.. alot of things are amusing indeed.. go be amused with folks like yourself.. there is no room for animals and animalistic behavior amongst civilized citizens!
Of course, you claim I'd find this funny without even bothering to actually ask if I would. You would do well to note of course, that there are millions and millions of atheists in the prosporous states of Northern Europe such as Sweden, Norway, Finland, Netherlands, Denmark etc that have not melted down into civil war, nor seen their governments capitulate. Of course given that you refuse to check Vexen.co.uk because of a faulty Firefox addon that claims the website is infected, you'd never know.
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cat eyes
04-28-2010, 04:28 PM
Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
Go make fun of this:
http://bbs.news.163.com/bbs/photo/86705095.html

it seems right up your alley.. and it is precisely why I believe that atheists have no morals, no conscious, have no idea where to draw the line at humor vs. denigratory and libelous.. everywhere atheists have been, have left the world with their spawn not unlike the cruel ***** in those photos.. she found it amusing I am sure.. alot of things are amusing indeed.. go be amused with folks like yourself.. there is no room for animals and animalistic behavior amongst civilized citizens!
I Want to kill that ***** i hope she burns in hell:(
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جوري
04-28-2010, 04:32 PM
Originally Posted by Skavau
I believe I know what that is. I have seen it before. Several internet groups (primarily consisting of the non-religious) attempted to take action against her for doing that. She was arrested eventually I believe. I do not condone the killing or harming of animals for entertainment and never have. That is hardly comparable to Mock The Week and Have I Got News For You - which I asked, would others here have banned for being offensive (and they can be, the panelists actually outright mock real people every week).
what do you condone for entertainment-- I have no idea where your lines start or end frankly.. it would seem hypocritical to condone one type of disgusting humor and not another!
It isn't up my alley at all. How do you get from crude humour and black humour to gaining enjoyment and amusement out of the killing of life?
see above!

Of course, you claim I'd find this funny without even bothering to actually ask if I would. You would do well to note of course, that there are millions and millions of atheists in the prosporous states of Northern Europe such as Sweden, Norway, Finland, Netherlands, Denmark etc that have not melted down into civil war, nor seen their governments capitulate. Of course given that you refuse to check Vexen.co.uk because of a faulty Firefox addon that claims the website is infected, you'd never know.
I guess anymore than you refuse to look at the New science article that I have posted about how the majority of statistics are misinterpreted and manipulated to echo the outcome that is needed to present a particular point of view?

all the best
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جوري
04-28-2010, 04:35 PM
Originally Posted by cat eyes
I Want to kill that ***** i hope she burns in hell:(
insha'Allah she will and others like her.. I have to believe in divine justice when there is no other form to be had.. although to be honest as much as I couldn't sleep yesterday thinking of that poor kitten clinging on to her boots in sheer horror and unable to mouth her fear that I got a joy thinking of crushing that ***** in a similar fashion. Some people aren't fit to be human or a part of society, yet they insist that their criminality is protected under some sort of man made law!
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Skavau
04-28-2010, 04:38 PM
what do you condone for entertainment-- I have no idea where your lines start or end frankly.. it would seem hypocritical to condone one type of disgusting humor and not another!
Pretty much anything that does not involve deliberate physical harm to people or animals, or harassment towards the lives of others. Why is it hypocritical to not condone sadism in the name of humour?

I guess anymore than you refuse to look at the New science article that I have posted about how the majority of statistics are misinterpreted and manipulated to echo the outcome that is needed to present a particular point of view?
Oh, I have (which is more than you did with my link). Keep in mind that even if you assume the statistics are inaccurate, you have no way of knowing how the highly irreligious nations of Scandinavia and Northern Europe function. You then cannot claim that atheists bring turmoil everywhere they go.
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cat eyes
04-28-2010, 05:00 PM
Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
insha'Allah she will and others like her.. I have to believe in divine justice when there is no other form to be had.. although to be honest as much as I couldn't sleep yesterday thinking of that poor kitten clinging on to her boots in sheer horror and unable to mouth her fear that I got a joy thinking of crushing that ***** in a similar fashion. Some people aren't fit to be human or a part of society, yet they insist that their criminality is protected under some sort of man made law!
i cant stand this type of cruelty. kittens must be the most innocent little creatures on the face of this planet.

this is bloody sick how anybody could watch this for enjoyment. how could humans be so stone hearted? i don't get it. this is a question that keeps on bugging me. me and my brother were talking about this too long ago and he said its probably because these people were abused or molested or something then they take there anger out on the creation because they are angry at god and the world. but still how many people go through trials in life and they dont turn out to be evil *****es

id probably risk my own life to rescue an animal from a bunch of thugs :(
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جوري
04-28-2010, 05:09 PM
Originally Posted by Skavau
Pretty much anything that does not involve deliberate physical harm to people or animals, or harassment towards the lives of others. Why is it hypocritical to not condone sadism in the name of humour?
so in your book harm has to be physical to be condemned?

Oh, I have (which is more than you did with my link). Keep in mind that even if you assume the statistics are inaccurate, you have no way of knowing how the highly irreligious nations of Scandinavia and Northern Europe function. You then cannot claim that atheists bring turmoil everywhere they go.
Are theists surveyed in these claims or just atheists rating themselves as usual? Frankly I don't think you understand what havoc and turmoil constitute to others when you live in your own lala land!

all the best
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جوري
04-28-2010, 05:14 PM
Originally Posted by cat eyes
i cant stand this type of cruelty. kittens must be the most innocent little creatures on the face of this planet.

this is bloody sick how anybody could watch this for enjoyment. how could humans be so stone hearted? i don't get it. this is a question that keeps on bugging me. me and my brother were talking about this too long ago and he said its probably because these people were abused or molested or something then they take there anger out on the creation because they are angry at god and the world. but still how many people go through trials in life and they dont turn out to be evil *****es

id probably risk my own life to rescue an animal from a bunch of thugs :(
I don't think she was abused or molested, I think people like to make excuses to why they are so vile, but the reality is some folks are plain evil without excuses .. was cain molested and abused by his parents before killing his brother? These are the sins and evils of the soul that has no harness and no boundaries.. Frankly I don't think any minor arrest to that woman can undo what she has done.. I don't think any sort of apology or retraction if at all can undo the damage done.. human life and dignity that is God bestowed is cheap for some, because they believe in none of those variables! It is all just tissues that have self assembled and cheap and 'fun' to take apart!

:w:
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Skavau
04-28-2010, 05:31 PM
so in your book harm has to be physical to be condemned?
In general, yes it does. We're not talking about whether physical violence to those who do not consent should be tolerated in the name of entertainment. Of course it should not, and I don't think you will find anyone on here that would disagree with that. The thread is about what sort of comedy is acceptable under the umbrella of free-speech. You know, that I effectively believe there to be as little limit in terms of what should be acceptable in terms of free speech in entertainment.

Are theists surveyed in these claims or just atheists rating themselves as usual? Frankly I don't think you understand what havoc and turmoil constitute to others when you live in your own lala land!
Neither theists or atheists are surveyed. It is a rundown of what countries set the best examples in many areas of society.
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جوري
04-28-2010, 05:54 PM
Originally Posted by Skavau
In general, yes it does. We're not talking about whether physical violence to those who do not consent should be tolerated in the name of entertainment. Of course it should not, and I don't think you will find anyone on here that would disagree with that. The thread is about what sort of comedy is acceptable under the umbrella of free-speech. You know, that I effectively believe there to be as little limit in terms of what should be acceptable in terms of free speech in entertainment.
I am glad you used the word consent. We don't consent to lack of reverence in the name of entertainment.. and in fact I think you'd best agree with your own person since I don't think many here would see eye to eye on what you find tolerable!

Neither theists or atheists are surveyed. It is a rundown of what countries set the best examples in many areas of society.
How do you judge a country without its relationship to something else?

all the best
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Woodrow
04-28-2010, 06:02 PM
the media is invasive. it comes into your home uninvited. we should not have to take steps to keep trash out, rather those who desire to have it should have to take steps to subscribe to it.
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Muezzin
04-28-2010, 06:07 PM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
the media is invasive. it comes into your home uninvited. we should not have to take steps to keep trash out, rather those who desire to have it should have to take steps to subscribe to it.
In concrete terms, this equates to purchasing a television, a computer with internet access, or both.

Unfortunately.
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جوري
04-28-2010, 06:09 PM
Originally Posted by Woodrow
the media is invasive. it comes into your home uninvited. we should not have to take steps to keep trash out, rather those who desire to have it should have to take steps to subscribe to it.
well said akhi.. and that is just what I am saying.. if we are to go by a mere rudimentary form of 'democracy' then the majority don't wish to be offended or subject their loved ones to equally offensive material under the guise of 'free speech' or whatever ... those who wish to subscribe to this can do so the same way they subscribe to porn and away from imposing it on the rest of us!

:w:
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Skavau
04-28-2010, 06:29 PM
Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
I am glad you used the word consent. We don't consent to lack of reverence in the name of entertainment.. and in fact I think you'd best agree with your own person since I don't think many here would see eye to eye on what you find tolerable!
So do not watch, or support what you find intolerable. Do not tell others that they must be blinded as well and follow suite.

Concerning the agreement of values: all I said was that I suspect most people on here would agree that violence towards innocents in the name of entertainment is unacceptable.

How do you judge a country without its relationship to something else?
The website details information such as Human Development, Gender Equality, Life Expectancy, Quality Of Life, Competitive Economy, Environment etc etc.
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cat eyes
04-28-2010, 06:43 PM
Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
I don't think she was abused or molested, I think people like to make excuses to why they are so vile, but the reality is some folks are plain evil without excuses .. was cain molested and abused by his parents before killing his brother? These are the sins and evils of the soul that has no harness and no boundaries.. Frankly I don't think any minor arrest to that woman can undo what she has done.. I don't think any sort of apology or retraction if at all can undo the damage done.. human life and dignity that is God bestowed is cheap for some, because they believe in none of those variables! It is all just tissues that have self assembled and cheap and 'fun' to take apart!

:w:
Its true. we should not make excuses for evil thats how they get away with it scott free.

this hadith gives me a little peace knowing that this witch might possibly burn in hell

Hadith - Bukhari 3:553, Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar [Also in Muslim, Narrated Abu Huraira]

Allah's Apostle said,

"A woman was tortured and was put in Hell because of a cat which she had kept locked till it died of hunger." Allah's Apostle further said, "(Allah knows better) Allah said (to the woman), 'You neither fed it nor watered when you locked it up, nor did you set it free to eat the insects of the earth.' "
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جوري
04-28-2010, 06:43 PM
Originally Posted by Skavau
So do not watch, or support what you find intolerable. Do not tell others that they must be blinded as well and follow suite.
Blinded? lol what is there to gain from libel and slander I ask?
Concerning the agreement of values: all I said was that I suspect most people on here would agree that violence towards innocents in the name of entertainment is unacceptable.
indeed, I am not sure that is the case for heathens though!

The website details information such as Human Development, Gender Equality, Life Expectancy, Quality Of Life, Competitive Economy, Environment etc etc.
None of those things can be measured without impact on the individual.. and thus I ask, which individuals were surveyed? you can't for instance speak of human development without human subjects? and indeed certain folks do better, have a look at how well the white 'natives' of south africa are doing compared to the indigenous population .. and so my question remains, who is surveyed to determine quality? The Quality of life of oppressors indeed tends to be better than those oppressed.. is there a point to this?
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Skavau
04-28-2010, 06:52 PM
Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
Blinded? lol what is there to gain from libel and slander I ask?
It is not up to you what I should or should not watch. I do watch South Park (although not often). I do watch Have I Got News For You, Mock The Week, Monty Python and other things that might get an +18 sticker stamped on them. I even played the GTA games and enjoyed them.

indeed, I am not sure that is the case for heathens though
It is for me.

None of those things can be measured without impact on the individual.. and thus I ask, which individuals were surveyed? you can't for instance speak of human development without human subjects? and indeed certain folks do better, have a look at how well the white 'natives' of south africa are doing compared to the indigenous population .. and so my question remains, who is surveyed to determine quality? The Quality of life of oppressors indeed tends to be better than those oppressed.. is there a point to this?
I suggest you go to the website to see their sources.
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جوري
04-28-2010, 07:05 PM
Originally Posted by Skavau
It is not up to you what I should or should not watch. I do watch South Park (although not often). I do watch Have I Got News For You, Mock The Week, Monty Python and other things that might get an +18 sticker stamped on them. I even played the GTA games and enjoyed them.
That doesn't answer the question of benefit-- and indeed you can watch whatever you want, you can watch porn and watch a kitten being killed for pleasure or a bunch of men in white robes torching others.. there is no question that degeneracy exists and has a wide audience.. we need that audience to be isolated from the rest of society that is all!
It is for me.
I did indeed meant it is the case for many heathens of which you are one!

I suggest you go to the website to see their sources.
Again, it doesn't answer the question nor the point you elected to make earlier!

all the best
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Skavau
04-28-2010, 07:29 PM
Originally Posted by Vale
The Quality of life of oppressors indeed tends to be better than those oppressed.. is there a point to this?
Lol, I just noticed this. Are you suggesting that Scandinavian nations are oppressive?

That doesn't answer the question of benefit-- and indeed you can watch whatever you want, you can watch porn and watch a kitten being killed for pleasure or a bunch of men in white robes torching others.. there is no question that degeneracy exists and has a wide audience.. we need that audience to be isolated from the rest of society that is all!
What do you mean specifically by isolation? And no, it may have no benefit to me in any way whatsoever.

I did indeed meant it is the case for many heathens of which you are one!
Huh? I said that most people on here would agree that harming the innocent in tne name and objective of entertainment is immoral. You then said that such was the case, but doubted that heathens would agree. As you consider me a heathen, I responded that it was the case for me...

Again, it doesn't answer the question nor the point you elected to make earlier!
I am not repeating the research of the entire website to you. Either read it, or do not. But don't ask me to act as a messenger for it.
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جوري
04-28-2010, 07:44 PM
Originally Posted by Skavau
Lol, I just noticed this. Are you suggesting that Scandinavian nations are oppressive?
Do you find something funny here? indeed oppression takes many different forms, banning burka and minarets would fall under that.. got to love your skewed sense of morality!

What do you mean specifically by isolation? And no, it may have no benefit to me in any way whatsoever.
that you should pay for your brand of laughter the way others pay for their sexual satisfaction on some pay per view channel!

Huh? I said that most people on here would agree that harming the innocent in tne name and objective of entertainment is immoral. You then said that such was the case, but doubted that heathens would agree. As you consider me a heathen, I responded that it was the case for me...
Your brand of morality doesn't mean much to me.. all I have to go on are your assertions and then extracurricular activities that I find equally vile!


I am not repeating the research of the entire website to you. Either read it, or do not. But don't ask me to act as a messenger for it
There is nothing to repeat, you made a point that was vacuous and nonsensical as expected!

all the best
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Darth Ultor
04-28-2010, 08:11 PM
They never made fun of Muhammad, they made fun of how angry some Muslims got over the Danish cartoon. The show is satire on how humanity is these days.
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Snowflake
05-03-2010, 05:38 AM
Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
Go make fun of this:
http://bbs.news.163.com/bbs/photo/86705095.html

it seems right up your alley.. and it is precisely why I believe that atheists have no morals, no conscious, have no idea where to draw the line at humor vs. denigratory and libelous.. everywhere atheists have been, have left the world with their spawn not unlike the cruel ***** in those photos.. she found it amusing I am sure.. alot of things are amusing indeed.. go be amused with folks like yourself.. there is no room for animals and animalistic behavior amongst civilized citizens!
OMG! :cry:

evil daughter of shaytaan! I can't believe it. InshaAllah, she is going to suffer an unimaginably painful death and she deserves it! :raging:
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