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islamirama
05-02-2010, 05:36 PM
UK Government To Install Surveillance Cameras In Private Homes

State to spy on parents, make sure kids go to bed on time, attend school

Paul Joseph Watson - August 3, 2009



The UK government is about to spend $700 million dollars installing surveillance cameras inside the private homes of citizens to ensure that children go to bed on time, attend school and eat proper meals.

No you aren’t reading a passage from George Orwell’s 1984 or Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World, this is Britain in 2009, a country which already has more surveillance cameras watching its population than the whole of Europe put together.

Now the government is embarking on a scheme called “Family Intervention Projects” which will literally create a nanny state on steroids, with social services goons and private security guards given the authority to make regular “home checks” to ensure parents are raising their children correctly.

Telescreens will also be installed so government spies can keep an eye on whether parents are mistreating kids and whether the kids are fulfilling their obligations under a pre-signed contract.

Around 2,000 families have been targeted by this program so far and the government wants to snare 20,000 more within the next two years. The tab will be picked up by the taxpayer, with the “interventions” being funded through local council authorities.

Another key aspect of the program will see parents deemed “responsible” by the government handed the power to denounce and report bad parents who allow their children to engage in bad behavior. Such families will then be targeted for “interventions”.

Both parents and children will also be forced to sign a “behavior contract” with the government known as Home School Agreements before the start of every year, in which the state will dictate obligations that it expects to be met.

The opposition Conservative Party, who are clear favorites to win the next British election, commented that the program does not go far enough and is “too little, too late.”

Respondents to a Daily Express article about the new program expressed their shock at the totalitarian implications of what is unfolding in the United Kingdom under the guise of social services initiatives.

“Sorry, but what the hell? Why are people not up in arms about this?,” writes one, “This is a complete invasion of privacy, and it totally ignores the fact that the state does NOT own kids. It’s not up to them how parents choose to raise their children, as long as the parents do not actively harm them. Why on earth aren’t the public rioting? It’s completely anathema to basic British freedoms.”

“Excuse me!?! What an incredible intrusion into the privacy of a family! George Orwell must be spinning in his grave right now,” writes another.

“I have one comment to make: it completely violates Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (Human Rights Act 1998). Has this minister and his lackies even done any basic homework on basic human rights and civil liberties? Or rather they’ve just decided to completely ignore them,” adds another.

The move to install surveillance cameras inside private homes is also on the agenda across the pond. In February 2006, Houston Chief of Police Harold Hurtt said cameras should be placed inside apartments and homes in order to “fight crime” due to there being a shortage of police officers.

“I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should you worry about it?” Chief Hurtt told reporters.

Andy Teas with the Houston Apartment Association supported the proposal, saying privacy concerns would take a back seat to many people who would, “appreciate the thought of extra eyes looking out for them.”

If such programs come to fruition and are implemented on a mass scale then the full scope of George Orwell’s depiction of a totalitarian society is his classic novel 1984 will have been realized.

The following passage is from Orwell’s 1984;

The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live — did live, from habit that became instinct — in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.

source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/uk-government-to-install-surveillance-cameras-in-private-homes.html
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Supreme
05-02-2010, 09:27 PM
This is, I suspect, complete rubbish. Can you produce another (reliable) source that has this story?
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Dagless
05-02-2010, 09:44 PM
Its only half right. Read the second last paragraph and sources here: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/...private-homes/
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aadil77
05-02-2010, 09:49 PM
Originally Posted by Supreme
This is, I suspect, complete rubbish. Can you produce another (reliable) source that has this story?
I'm pretty sure I read about it in the metro, might still be rubbish, but its supposedly to protect vulnerable children
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islamirama
05-02-2010, 10:19 PM
Looking into people's houses


Narrated Sahl bin Sa'd As-Sa'idi

A man peeped through a hole in the door of Allah's Apostle's house , and at that time, Allah's Apostle had a Midri (an iron comb or bar) with which he was rubbing his head. So when Allah's Apostle saw him, he said (to him), "If I had been sure that you were looking at me (through the door), I would have poked your eye with this (sharp iron bar)." Allah's Apostle added, "The asking for permission to enter has been enjoined so that one may not look unlawfully (at what there is in the house without the permission of its people)."

Sahih Bukhari 9:38.2

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Narrated AbuDharr, Allah's Messenger said,

"If anyone removes a curtain and looks into a house before receiving permission and sees anything in these which should not be seen, he has committed an offence which it is not lawful for him to commit. If a man confronted him when he looked in and put out his eye, I should not blame him. But if a man passes a door which has no curtain and is not shut and looks in, he has committed no sin, for the sin pertains only to the people inside."

Hadith - Mishkat, Tirmidhi transmitted it, saying this is a gharib tradition
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czgibson
05-02-2010, 10:36 PM
Greetings,

This line made me laugh:

If such programs come to fruition and are implemented on a mass scale then the full scope of George Orwell’s depiction of a totalitarian society is his classic novel 1984 will have been realized.
Journalists who bleat about how ours is becoming a "Big Brother" society should definitely be made to read Orwell's book beforehand.

Peace
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Trumble
05-03-2010, 03:41 AM
Of course, what it doesn't mention is that those 'targeted' families are not exactly regular parents.. previously these kids would have just been taken into care. At least this way the parents get a chance to prove they are actually capable of being such.
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The_Prince
05-03-2010, 04:59 AM
Originally Posted by Trumble
Of course, what it doesn't mention is that those 'targeted' families are not exactly regular parents.. previously these kids would have just been taken into care. At least this way the parents get a chance to prove they are actually capable of being such.
yes, but don't you see, this is how it starts. the government can't do this out of the blue, on normal citizens, so they say we do this on bad parents, and so it begins, official camera's in people's homes! after a while most of society get's used to it, and the government begins to take it further and further, this is how it always starts! governments always begin to take more power by using the bad guys for that purpose.

an example would be in america, were the government began spying on supposed extremists, tapping their phones, reading their emails, even spying into mosques etc etc. now we find out that the government expanded that and began spying on normal citizens! so it started with the supposed bad guys, and then the government expands it to the rest of society.
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Snowflake
05-03-2010, 05:21 AM
"The idea is that, if a child has a more stable home life, he or she will be less likely to stray into crime and drugs.

It gets worse"


Read More http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/...#ixzz0mq8lMtaK
Of course it gets worse for the West as these kinds of solutions only bring more problems. What next? Taking full control of people's lives to remedy societies ills? Putting them in prison-homes so they can only do what the law says? Anyone with a pea-sized brain would now be able to see that Islam is the answer to all the problems mankind has created for himself. They just haven't got the guts to admit it.
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