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islamirama
05-09-2010, 10:45 PM
Has Noah's Ark Been Discovered in Turkey?

By Ishaan Tharoor - Apr. 29, 2010

To a score of marching drums and pipes, we see the expedition trudge across a snowy expanse and up the mountain. They camp on a hilly bluff, the sun setting over the Anatolian hinterland below. Moments later, we go inside a dark cave and watch members of the expedition inspect what appears to be a solid wooden wall, entombed within layers of glacial ice and volcanic rock. A gnarled beam runs suspended from one part of the cavern to another. There's straw and bits of old rope on the ground; a structure is taking shape. What is it? According to the explorers, it's Noah's Ark, literally frozen in time.


An explorer looks at wooden beams inside a compartment of a structure that his team claims might prove the existence of Noah's Ark, on Mount Ararat



This is the footage of the alleged discovery of the biblical vessel, perched more than 12,000 ft (4,000 m) high on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey, that was first shown to journalists on April 25 at a press conference in a fancy boutique hotel in Hong Kong. On hand were members of the team, composed largely of Hong Kong–based Evangelicals, an art historian and a handful of Turkish academics and government officials. They displayed specimens of objects recovered from the supposed ark, which they say they encountered in seven dismembered compartments within the mountain: on show are pieces of petrified wood allegedly carbon-dated at 4,800 years old, a chunk of crystal and a cluster of seed-like pellets. "There is a tremendous amount of evidence that this structure is the ark of Noah," said Gerrit Aalten, a Dutch researcher of ark lore who was enlisted to evaluate the team's findings.

Reported sightings of the ark are almost as old as the biblical story itself. In the Book of Genesis, God set about annihilating a "corrupt" and "violent" world once Noah, whom he seemed to like, built a wooden vessel to hold his family and two of "all living creatures, from all flesh." As the floodwaters abated, the barque came to rest by "the mountains of Ararat." Since then, ancient Roman scholars, medieval travelers and Ottoman soldiers have all supposedly spotted this mythical ship amid the region's peaks. So too have a host of Christian explorers — most recently in 2006, when a Colorado-based Evangelical and amateur archaeologist claimed to have uncovered the ark, petrified within Iran's Alborz mountain range along the Turkish border. Upon examination of the find, geologists declared it to be just an oddly shaped variety of rock.

The Hong Kong team says it has been far more thorough. Their trip, heralded at the press conference as a "99.9%" success, took place last October. In the intervening months, says Yeung Wing-Cheung, one of the group's leaders, they have verified their findings with the insight of a few Turkish archaeologists and geologists. While they have only released a brief, edited video of their trek and discovery to the public, Yeung says they have shown full footage of the ascent to colleagues in the cult field of Arkeology. (They justify their secrecy by saying it's for the integrity of the site, which the local government in the area now intends to prepare as a tourist destination.)

The team has conducted missions to Mount Ararat since 2003 under the auspices of a Hong Kong–based organization dubbed Noah's Ark Ministries International, which is in turn linked with another well-funded Christian group in the city called Media Evangelism. The latter drew attention in 2008 when it helped set up a park that now houses a life-size replica of the ark, accompanied by models of animals on board as well as a vivid film depicting God's wrath at a sinful mankind and the flood he sent to wash it away. Yeung talks of the ark's discovery in almost apocalyptic terms: "At this day, at this moment, it has a very special meaning when we see so many natural disasters and earthquakes," he tells TIME. "People should come and see the ark and think about their place in the world."

Not surprisingly, there are skeptics. Eric Cline, a prominent biblical archaeologist at George Washington University and author of the best-selling From Eden to Exile: Unraveling Mysteries of the Bible, questions why this group made up mostly of amateurs in the field chose to announce their findings at a press conference rather than have them peer-reviewed and then published in a scholarly journal, as is standard archaeological and scientific practice. "You see these sorts of claims almost every other year," he says. "When people of faith go out looking for things, it seems they almost always find them."

Archaeologists on blogs and forums have suggested the structure up on Mount Ararat may well just be a hut or some other form of rudimentary shelter. Cline also wonders why the ark over time would have been left intact at all. Indeed, according to the 1st century A.D. Jewish-Roman historian Flavius Josephus, the ship was already being torn down. "It is said," he wrote, "that a portion of the vessel still survives ... on the mountains ... and that persons carry off pieces of [it], which they use as talismans."

Nevertheless, Yeung and his colleagues are pressing ahead, hoping to gain the support of UNESCO and spend the next few years deepening their analysis of the site. Cline says this sort of work strays from the real purpose of biblical archaeology, which is to bring to light the greater social realities of that ancient time, rather than prove the truth of Christian doctrine with quests for biblical totems.

It also misses a larger point about the history of the myth. The flood has echoes in legends from Central America to South Asia, and it almost certainly predates Judeo-Christian times. Scholars believe it was most likely transmitted to the Israelites from Mesopotamia: in the far older Epic of Gilgamesh, we encounter Utnapishtim, a man chosen by the gods to live alone in a boat full of animals while the world around him ended in a deluge. Just like Noah, as the rains stopped he sent out both a dove and a raven to gauge whether the waters had receded. "That's why I tell my students," says Cline, "that if I am going to look for an ark, it won't be that of Noah. Maybe it would be Utnapishtim's."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1985830,00.html
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marwen
05-10-2010, 04:24 AM
Nice article !
It would be interesting if it's really Noah's ark (as) that they found.
But a huge work is to be done to prove it's the real Noah's ark : they're now based only on the place of the ark mentioned in the bible ("the mountains of Ararat"), but that's not sufficient, because the bible and the other scriptures didn't mention a further decription of Noah's ark (shape, size, ...), and as the critics in the rest of the article said: how can we be sure that the ark stayed in the place it landed in ? it may be moved of destructed. The dates also are not really accurate. So it can be simply another different ship found in the same place.
But that doesn't prove/disprove our true belief about the real flood and the real ark of prophet Noah (as).
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aadil77
05-10-2010, 11:18 AM
Apparently it was already found on mount judi as according to the Quran



Martin Wroe, LONDON - Noah's Ark has been found on the Turkish-Iranian border, 32 kilometres from Mount Ararat, according to the leader of a team of scientists that has been investigating the site for six years.

The Turkish government is so convinced by the findings that, after years of intransigence, it has designated the site one of special archaeological interest and agreed to its excavation next summer.

The remote site contains a buried, ship-like object, resting an altitude of 2,300 metres. At 170 metres long and 45 metres wide, it conforms almost exactly to the 300 cubit by 50 cubit boat that God told Noah to build, according to Genesis 6 in the Bible.

On surrounding terrain, the American and Middle Eastern scientists have identified huge stones with holes carved at one end, which they believe are "drogue-stones," dragged behind ships in the ancient world to stabilise them. Radar soundings indicate unusual levels of iron-oxide distribution.

Salih Bayraktutan, head of geology at Turkey's Ataturk University, estimates the age of the 'vessel' at more than 100,000 years. "It is a man-made structure and for sure it is Noah's Ark." The site is directly below the mountain of Al Judi, named in the Koran as the Ark's resting place.

David Fasold, an American shipwreck specialist with no religious affiliation, has led the investigation. He says subsurface radar surveys of the site have produced "very good pictures." "The radar imagery at about 25 metres down from the stern is so clear that you can count the floorboards between the walls."

He believes the team has found the fossilised remains of the upper deck and that the original reed substructure has disappeared. But the findings have infuriated the scores of Christian Ark-hunters who travel to Turkey, convinced the Ark will only be found on Mount Ararat.

Fasold, who calls himself an "Arkologist," also argues that it was not a great flood that pushed the Ark into the mountains. He says it was "an astronomical event causing a tectonic upheaval, a tidal bore causing gravitational pull in the ocean waters that forced the boat into the mountains."

Some of Fasold's team of geophysicists and geologists are reserving final judgement until the excavation and carbon-dating. But in a British TV series on the environment next month, team member Vendyl Jones, a Middle East archaeologist and inspiration for film character Indiana Jones, says it is "between maybe and probably" that they have found Noah's Ark.

The Observer newspaper, 16 January 1994
Prologue: The Quranic verse detailing about the resting place of the Noah's Ark is found in Chapter Hood, verse 44 (Qur.aan 11:44). The verse says:

{When the word went forth: "O earth! swallow up thy water and O sky! withhold (thy rain)!" and the water abated and the matter was ended. The Ark rested on Mount Judi and the word went forth: "Away with those who do wrong!"}

The 49th verse of the same Chapter says:

{Such are some of the stories of the Unseen which We have revealed unto you: before this neither you nor your people knew them. So persevere patiently: for the end is for those who are righteous}


http://www.fatwa-online.com/aboutislaam/0020101.htm

You can see the pics of it on the link above
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Supreme
05-10-2010, 03:51 PM
I can be forgiven for being skeptical with any claims of Noahs Ark, and that includes this one. Although I loved the part at the end of the article with regards to ancient mythology, it's very interesting. Ancient mythology itself is a subject of fascination for me, but Middle Eastern (Egyptian, Jewish, Mesopotamian) mythology especially.
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LauraS
05-10-2010, 04:04 PM
I heard they had found the remains of the boat on tip of a mountain. I have severe issues with the idea that someone managed to collect two of every animal and keep them on a boat. What about species from different continents? What about the thousands of different species of different insects, where do you keep them?!
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marwen
05-10-2010, 04:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by LauraS
I have severe issues with the idea that someone managed to collect two of every animal and keep them on a boat. What about species from different continents? What about the thousands of different species of different insects, where do you keep them?!
Yes, Noah (as) collected every pair (male+female) of animals and insects, and he took with him the people who believed him and accepted to go with him.
From these species were born the next generations of humans, animals and insects until today. So we are the descendants of Prophet Noah (as) and his companions (who probably are his descendants (sons)), and the living species (animals) today come from the species he took with him.
But it's more easy to find the Ark, than to find the species that were in it, because they leaved the boat when the flood stopped. May be it's possible to find traces of these speces in the place, but that's only possible if we're sure we found the right Ark.
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Trumble
05-10-2010, 07:57 PM
I could take this more seriously if the 'facts' were at least consistent. If the 'vessel' is more than 100,000 years old, how can it be made of wood 4,800 years old?!!
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CosmicPathos
05-10-2010, 08:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by marwen
Yes, Noah (as) collected every pair (male+female) of animals ansects, and he took with him the people who believed him and accepted to go with him.
From these species were born the next generations of humans animals and unsects until today. So we are the descendants of Prophet Noah (as) and his companions (who probably are his descendants (sons)), and the living species (animals) today come from the species he took with him.
But it's more easy to find the Ark, than to find the species that were in it, because they leaved the boat when the flood stopped. May be it's possible to find traces of these speces in the place, but that's only possible if we're sure we found the right Ark.
I do not think that it is the Islamic view. Quran says that it was not a global flood, rather a local flood. And what about species of microorganisms?
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marwen
05-10-2010, 09:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist
I do not think that it is the Islamic view.
That's what I understood about the story of Noah (as), from the quran and from scholars narrations, but I can be wrong. So if there is a more correct explanation it will be helpful.

format_quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist
Quran says that it was not a global flood, rather a local flood.
Is it ? I don't know, but it appears that it was a global flood. In surat Hud, ayah 42-43 :
42 : So the Ark floated with them on the waves (towering) like mountains, and Noah called out to his son, who had separated himself (from the rest): "O my son! embark with us, and be not with the unbelievers!"
43 : The son replied: "I will betake myself to some mountain: it will save me from the water." Noah said: "This day nothing can save, from the command of Allah, any but those on whom He hath mercy! "And the waves came between them, and the son was among those overwhelmed in the Flood.
So as it appears, no place is safe from flood, that it probably is a global, and that's why the boat is necessary. and Allahu A3lam.

format_quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist
And what about species of microorganisms?
And plants too. Plants and micro-organisms are probably not very endangered by the flood like big animals and insects. so no need to save them, they'll probably survive.
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CosmicPathos
05-10-2010, 11:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by marwen
That's what I understood about the story of Noah (as), from the quran and from scholars narrations, but I can be wrong. So if there is a more correct explanation it will be helpful.


Is it ? I don't know, but it appears that it was a global flood. In surat Hud, ayah 42-43 :
So as it appears, no place is safe from flood, that it probably is a global, and that's why the boat is necessary. and Allahu A3lam.


And plants too. Plants and micro-organisms are probably not very endangered by the flood like big animals and insects. so no need to save them, they'll probably survive.
Bro there are millions of species of insects, how could Noah (as) collect pairs of all of them?
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Alpha Dude
05-10-2010, 11:24 PM
I'm not sure if it was a global or local flood. I'm leaning toward it being global due to some of the reasons bro Marwen mentioned. Allahu Alaam.

format_quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist
Bro there are millions of species of insects, how could Noah (as) collect pairs of all of them?
Nuh AS was a Prophet that lived 900 or so years. A miracle in and of itself. What is collecting animals and insects in comparison to that? Besides, what's to say they didn't willfully climb on board (i.e. Allah ordered them to go)?
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LauraS
05-10-2010, 11:29 PM
The story says Noah was asked to find them all, I don't believe anyone could have done that or kept them alive during the flood (ceratin animals would have needed to eat the other animals for one).

mad-scientist just out of interest, I'm confused about you're religion. Are you actually a Muslim? I one thread you said you had 0.00005% knowledge of Islam. :/
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جوري
05-10-2010, 11:52 PM
double post pls delete!
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جوري
05-10-2010, 11:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by LauraS
The story says Noah was asked to find them all, I don't believe anyone could have done that or kept them alive during the flood (ceratin animals would have needed to eat the other animals for one).

mad-scientist just out of interest, I'm confused about you're religion. Are you actually a Muslim? I one thread you said you had 0.00005% knowledge of Islam. :/
How does he have .00005% knowledge? in fact there is truth to what he said, Have you read the Quran before presenting yourself an expert on the subject, Islam and his person?:

if not here have a look!

وَلَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا نُوحًا إِلَى قَوْمِهِ فَقَالَ يَا قَوْمِ اعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ مَا لَكُم مِّنْ إِلَهٍ غَيْرُهُ أَفَلَا تَتَّقُونَ {23}
[Pickthal 23:23] And We verily sent Noah unto his folk, and he said: O my people! Serve Allah. Ye have no other Allah save Him. Will ye not ward off (evil)?
فَقَالَ الْمَلَأُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِن قَوْمِهِ مَا هَذَا إِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ يُرِيدُ أَن يَتَفَضَّلَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلَوْ شَاء اللَّهُ لَأَنزَلَ مَلَائِكَةً مَّا سَمِعْنَا بِهَذَا فِي آبَائِنَا الْأَوَّلِينَ {24}
[Pickthal 23:24] But the chieftains of his folk, who disbelieved, said: This is only a mortal like you who would make himself superior to you. Had Allah willed, He surely could have sent down angels. We heard not of this in the case of our fathers of old.
إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا رَجُلٌ بِهِ جِنَّةٌ فَتَرَبَّصُوا بِهِ حَتَّى حِينٍ {25}
[Pickthal 23:25] He is only a man in whom is a madness, so watch him for a while.
قَالَ رَبِّ انصُرْنِي بِمَا كَذَّبُونِ {26}
[Pickthal 23:26] He said: My Lord! Help me because they deny me.
فَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْهِ أَنِ اصْنَعِ الْفُلْكَ بِأَعْيُنِنَا وَوَحْيِنَا فَإِذَا جَاء أَمْرُنَا وَفَارَ التَّنُّورُ فَاسْلُكْ فِيهَا مِن كُلٍّ زَوْجَيْنِ اثْنَيْنِ وَأَهْلَكَ إِلَّا مَن سَبَقَ عَلَيْهِ الْقَوْلُ مِنْهُمْ وَلَا تُخَاطِبْنِي فِي الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا إِنَّهُم مُّغْرَقُونَ {27}
[Pickthal 23:27] Then We inspired in him, saying: Make the ship under Our eyes and Our inspiration. Then, when Our command cometh and the oven gusheth water, introduce therein of every (kind) two spouses, and thy household save him thereof against whom the Word hath already gone forth. And plead not with Me on behalf of those who have done wrong. Lo! they will be drowned.
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it certainly doesn't say he was sent for ALL MANKIND (it says his folks) further we don't know how much of All mankind populated the earth back then! .. funny now that atheists are stratifying our gradations of Islamicness and knowledge on the matter!

It is He Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it; and for Him it is most easy. 30: 27
It is Allah Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it; then shall ye be brought back to Him 30: 11

We have decreed Death to be your common lot, and We are not to be frustrated from changing your Forms and creating you (again) in (Forms) that ye know not. And ye certainly know already the first form of creation: why then do ye not celebrate His praises?
56: 60 to 62
It is We Who created them and We have made their joints strong; but when We will We can substitute the like of them by a complete change 76: 28
Seest thou not that Allah created the Heavens and the earth in Truth? If He so will He can remove you and put (in your place) a new Creation khalqeen jadeed?Nor is that for Allah any great matter. 14: 19-20
Surely, the grip (and power) of thy Sustainer is truly stern. 85:12
He it is Who originates the creation (of everything), and then recreates again. 'inna - Huu Huwa yub'di'u, wa - yu'iid. 85: 13


....surely the God who created can create anew.. and as he created from Adam, he can create from Noah and there again after!

Also folks are yet to prove that all the species in existence have always existed, Things are created anew and some go extinct. Allah swt is the originator and re-creator so tells us the Quran.. folks are also yet to prove that the earth was in the shape that it was in today during Noah's time for I personally believe it looked like this:



before bickering about Koreans or Eskimos running amock during the time of Noah!

:w:
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Zafran
05-11-2010, 04:07 AM
Salaam

a lot of people keep bringing up the biblical bagage when it comes to the Noah story.

peace
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LauraS
05-11-2010, 10:18 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
How does he have .00005% knowledge? in fact there is truth to what he said, Have you read the Quran before presenting yourself an expert on the subject, Islam and his person?:

if not here have a look!

وَلَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا نُوحًا إِلَى قَوْمِهِ فَقَالَ يَا قَوْمِ اعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ مَا لَكُم مِّنْ إِلَهٍ غَيْرُهُ أَفَلَا تَتَّقُونَ {23}
[Pickthal 23:23] And We verily sent Noah unto his folk, and he said: O my people! Serve Allah. Ye have no other Allah save Him. Will ye not ward off (evil)?
فَقَالَ الْمَلَأُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِن قَوْمِهِ مَا هَذَا إِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ يُرِيدُ أَن يَتَفَضَّلَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلَوْ شَاء اللَّهُ لَأَنزَلَ مَلَائِكَةً مَّا سَمِعْنَا بِهَذَا فِي آبَائِنَا الْأَوَّلِينَ {24}
[Pickthal 23:24] But the chieftains of his folk, who disbelieved, said: This is only a mortal like you who would make himself superior to you. Had Allah willed, He surely could have sent down angels. We heard not of this in the case of our fathers of old.
إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا رَجُلٌ بِهِ جِنَّةٌ فَتَرَبَّصُوا بِهِ حَتَّى حِينٍ {25}
[Pickthal 23:25] He is only a man in whom is a madness, so watch him for a while.
قَالَ رَبِّ انصُرْنِي بِمَا كَذَّبُونِ {26}
[Pickthal 23:26] He said: My Lord! Help me because they deny me.
فَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْهِ أَنِ اصْنَعِ الْفُلْكَ بِأَعْيُنِنَا وَوَحْيِنَا فَإِذَا جَاء أَمْرُنَا وَفَارَ التَّنُّورُ فَاسْلُكْ فِيهَا مِن كُلٍّ زَوْجَيْنِ اثْنَيْنِ وَأَهْلَكَ إِلَّا مَن سَبَقَ عَلَيْهِ الْقَوْلُ مِنْهُمْ وَلَا تُخَاطِبْنِي فِي الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا إِنَّهُم مُّغْرَقُونَ {27}
[Pickthal 23:27] Then We inspired in him, saying: Make the ship under Our eyes and Our inspiration. Then, when Our command cometh and the oven gusheth water, introduce therein of every (kind) two spouses, and thy household save him thereof against whom the Word hath already gone forth. And plead not with Me on behalf of those who have done wrong. Lo! they will be drowned.
_______________

it certainly doesn't say he was sent for ALL MANKIND (it says his folks) further we don't know how much of All mankind populated the earth back then! .. funny now that atheists are stratifying our gradations of Islamicness and knowledge on the matter!

It is He Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it; and for Him it is most easy. 30: 27
It is Allah Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it; then shall ye be brought back to Him 30: 11

We have decreed Death to be your common lot, and We are not to be frustrated from changing your Forms and creating you (again) in (Forms) that ye know not. And ye certainly know already the first form of creation: why then do ye not celebrate His praises?
56: 60 to 62
It is We Who created them and We have made their joints strong; but when We will We can substitute the like of them by a complete change 76: 28
Seest thou not that Allah created the Heavens and the earth in Truth? If He so will He can remove you and put (in your place) a new Creation khalqeen jadeed?Nor is that for Allah any great matter. 14: 19-20
Surely, the grip (and power) of thy Sustainer is truly stern. 85:12
He it is Who originates the creation (of everything), and then recreates again. 'inna - Huu Huwa yub'di'u, wa - yu'iid. 85: 13


....surely the God who created can create anew.. and as he created from Adam, he can create from Noah and there again after!

Also folks are yet to prove that all the species in existence have always existed, Things are created anew and some go extinct. Allah swt is the originator and re-creator so tells us the Quran.. folks are also yet to prove that the earth was in the shape that it was in today during Noah's time for I personally believe it looked like this:



before bickering about Koreans or Eskimos running amock during the time of Noah!

:w:

It was not me who said he has a 0.00005% knowledge of Islam it was himself in another thread. I never presented myself as an expert on the subject, of course I'm not. :S Stop trying to bring everything down to an argument.
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جوري
05-11-2010, 01:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by LauraS
It was not me who said he has a 0.00005% knowledge of Islam it was himself in another thread. I never presented myself as an expert on the subject, of course I'm not. :S Stop trying to bring everything down to an argument.
When you can't carry yourself to a level and when you gauge in topics clearly over your head, that is all you'll get.. In fact I am not arguing with you, I don't have the luxury to sit here all day and be as amusing and mired in ignorance as you. Further, even if he'd stated that he has .00005% knowledge in Islamic matters it doesn't give you the right to use that against him, given that you personally have no knowledge of this topic.. that is already .000005% that you clearly don't possess!

all the best
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LauraS
05-11-2010, 03:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
When you can't carry yourself to a level and when you gauge in topics clearly over your head, that is all you'll get.. In fact I am not arguing with you, I don't have the luxury to sit here all day and be as amusing and mired in ignorance as you. Further, even if he'd stated that he has .00005% knowledge in Islamic matters it doesn't give you the right to use that against him, given that you personally have no knowledge of this topic.. that is already .000005% that you clearly don't possess!

all the best
I wasn't using it against him at all, I was just asking out of curiosity! Seriously I won't be replying after now because talking to you is just a waste of time. I was not talking to you in first place so why you felt the need to get involved with your usual pointless defensive nonsense I have no idea.
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جوري
05-11-2010, 04:43 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by LauraS
I wasn't using it against him at all, I was just asking out of curiosity! Seriously I won't be replying after now because talking to you is just a waste of time. I was not talking to you in first place so why you felt the need to get involved with your usual pointless defensive nonsense I have no idea.
I wasn't being defensive.. In fact I was on the offense -- you are so mixed up it is pitiable.. It is a public forum if you're unable to handle the consequences of what you write then think twice before you put it down for all to see... a good rule of thumb in general!

all the best
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CosmicPathos
05-11-2010, 05:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by LauraS
The story says Noah was asked to find them all, I don't believe anyone could have done that or kept them alive during the flood (ceratin animals would have needed to eat the other animals for one).

mad-scientist just out of interest, I'm confused about you're religion. Are you actually a Muslim? I one thread you said you had 0.00005% knowledge of Islam. :/
I am a Muslim, Allhamdulillah. How does me having 0.00005% knowledge of Islam have any bearing on my argument? I am a humble person and I'd not like to brag about my knowledge but I've learnt that in your country one should flaunt his/her talents and humility is generally taken as a weakness!

Regardless, compared to the giants of Islam such as Ibn Hanbal, Ibn Taymiyyah etc, my knowledge is indeed a measly 0.00005%.
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LauraS
05-11-2010, 05:14 PM
I doesn't have any bearing, I was just wondering. Which is why I put "out of curiosity", it seems that I can't expect to receive a polite answer though if everything I say is taken as some sort of insult.
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