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جوري
05-13-2010, 04:09 PM
Child of Lesbian Parents Denied Entrance to Catholic School

Posted at: Monday, March 08, 2010 09:50:48 AM
Author: James Martin, S.J.

From the Denver Post: a Catholic preschool has denied entrance to a student because her parents are a lesbian couple.
A preschool student at a Catholic school in Boulder will not be allowed to return next school year because the student's parents are two women and the Denver Archdiocese says their homosexual relationship violates the school's beliefs and policy. According to teachers at Sacred Heart of Jesus Catholic School, a meeting was held Tuesday to discuss the issue. The staff was told a student would not be allowed to re-enroll because of his or her parents' sexual orientation. The staff members were also told not to talk to the media. In a statement sent to 9NEWS, the Archdiocese said, "No person shall be admitted as a student in any Catholic school unless that person and his/her parent(s) subscribe to the school's philosophy and agree to abide by the educational policies and regulations of the school and Archdiocese," the statement said. Because this student's parents are homosexual, the Archdiocese says they were in clear violation of the school's policy. According to legal experts, it is legal for the Archdiocese to deny a student enrollment at the private school because of the school's policy.
The Archdiocese explains its as follows:
Parents living in open discord with Catholic teaching in areas of faith and morals unfortunately choose by their actions to disqualify their children from enrollment. To allow children in these circumstances to continue in our school would be a cause of confusion for the student in that what they are being taught in school conflicts with what they experience in the home. Its full position is here.
The parish of the Sacred Heart of Jesus said this on its blog:
Glossing over differences on essential matters, and pretending that crucial issues are irrelevant, is not tolerance. It is relativism, meaning that nothing is important anymore and everyone can have their own interpretation of what is goodness and truth. This kind of tolerance, which is a decidedly secularist invention, seeks to separate all moral discourse from public life. However, those who embrace this kind of tolerance do not, of course, acknowledge that they are imposing their own moral judgments upon society. The Catholic Church invests in parish schools so as to assist children in becoming disciples of Christ and to stand as a light shining in the darkness that has rejected Christianity and the truth of being human, including the meaning of human sexuality. The full text of the parish's statement is here.
The parish and archdiocese are within their rights not to admit children from families that are "in open discord with Catholic teaching in areas of faith and morals." So do the same rules apply to a child of parents who in similar discord? That is, the child of a single, divorced parent? To a child of divorced and remarried parents? To a child of a single, unmarried mother? To a child of a parent who commits adultery? To a child of a parent who uses birth control? To a child of a parent who steals from his company? To a child of a parent who fails to forgive his neighbor? To a child of a parent who fails to care for the poor? To a child of any parent who sins? They too would be in "open discord."
James Martin, SJ

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جوري
05-13-2010, 04:16 PM
I don't understand the insistence of these gay groups to forge into territories that simply won't accept them.. Religion is a done deal, they know the religious stance on their life-style, yet they insist to stick their kid in a parochial environment out of all places!
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Nirvana
05-13-2010, 06:58 PM
Maybe this is a missed opportunity though. That child could be given a moral education, which is something they couldnt get from the deviant "parents" at home.
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جوري
05-13-2010, 07:05 PM
May Allah swt look to help those who seek it to the right path!. There is no point in my opinion to have two wrongs rectify one another (since I don't believe that catholics are a paragon of virtue to begin with).. I think the lesbian couple specifically chose this school to create havoc about equal rights and whatever other nonsense.. in fact if they want a good school there are tons of good private ones without a religious education that is surely to be a part of this school by its very name!. Why they keep insisting on molding religions to conform to their life-style is beyond me.. They have forged enough presence in the secular world in spite of majority beliefs and opinions.. in my opinion they shouldn't push their luck to re-write any religious text. It is a done deal!
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Ummu Sufyaan
05-14-2010, 05:09 AM
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i seriosuly pity the poor kids who have to grow up in such an environment where they are deprived of 2 different gender parents.
imagine the bullying they have to go through.

on the side: have there been any study done on the affects on the child that grows up with the same gender parent?
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جوري
05-14-2010, 05:29 AM
I have no idea.. I haven't delved into that area.. folks claim that they are normal healthy children but I doubt it.. if your parents are addicted to prescription pills it affects you, so how can deviant sexual practices and a test tube father not?

worst yet that woman who pretended to be a man then got pregnant by bought sperm, married a woman, gave birth and then went back to being a man.. how does the off-spring of this couple deal with all of this? These people are so selfish and never think of anything besides their carnal pleasures and shock value.. and frankly if that weren't the case, then why are they not every-day citizens that we never hear anything about? Why are they on the news, protesting here and there to force their freakishness on everyone else?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_457478.html
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M..x
05-14-2010, 11:58 AM
Oh dear.. There was another story which I read in a magazine where a women got married to her sister of half blood (DISGUSTING) and they had a baby together. Astaghfirullah!!!!!
Makes me want to vomit. Can't believe stuff like this goes on in the world still but I guess the world is going backwards into a state of ignorance. =( =/
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Supreme
05-14-2010, 04:20 PM
They're morons, nay, I'd say downright insensitive for trying to get their children into a Catholic school in the first place. Are they not aware of Catholic doctrine regarding homosexuality? It's insensitive. Besides, did they want their children to grow up in a place that taught them that homosexuality was wrong and their lesbian parents were sinners?
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جوري
05-14-2010, 04:29 PM
what they want is to make this acceptable to Catholicism which it won't be. No amount of tantrum throwing will change that either!
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atheistbynature
05-14-2010, 04:32 PM
That has to be one of the worst comments i have ever heard, who are you to say the parents couldn't morally educate there child. Going to a religious school would give them no better moral education than any other.

What intolerance of people doing something in the privacy of their own homes not harming anyone.
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atheistbynature
05-14-2010, 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
I don't understand the insistence of these gay groups to forge into territories that simply won't accept them.. Religion is a done deal, they know the religious stance on their life-style, yet they insist to stick their kid in a parochial environment out of all places!
Maybe they had a very good reason for wanting to go to this school, maybe there wasn't another local school or maybe the school got very good results. Its not their problem if the school is going to be so intolerant. Also Christians are hardly rejecting homosexuals, you get gay priests now.
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جوري
05-14-2010, 04:40 PM
I guess it depends on your baseline of 'morals' -- there is nothing moral about extra-marital affairs, or having ba stard children out of wedlock who could potentially marry their siblings at some point not knowing the busy body who spread a few of his wild oats around, and who are ultimately raised to think that this sort of life-style is acceptable.. I do hope that the child is able to escape this life-style and have a normal life, but who is to say!
Indeed what they do in their own home is their business... until they decide to take it up with parochial institutions imposing their life-style on others and making it public so folks like you can come here with pomposity bred of ignorance and point the finger at the party making the stand.
A parochial institution has a right to turn down individuals whose moral compass isn't in concert with their teaching.
You can't profess you have gone green and then hire a nuclear power plant advocate for your CEO.. not much difference here!

all the best
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Supreme
05-14-2010, 04:47 PM
Originally Posted by atheistbynature
Maybe they had a very good reason for wanting to go to this school, maybe there wasn't another local school or maybe the school got very good results. Its not their problem if the school is going to be so intolerant. Also Christians are hardly rejecting homosexuals, you get gay priests now.
Catholics are very stern about their doctrine regarding contraception, abortion and homosexuality. It's insensitive and disrespectful to try and get your children into a school tha preaches homosexuality is a sin when you yourself are homosexual. I'm not saying it's wrong, but it is offensive.
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جوري
05-14-2010, 04:51 PM
Originally Posted by atheistbynature
Maybe they had a very good reason for wanting to go to this school, maybe there wasn't another local school or maybe the school got very good results. Its not their problem if the school is going to be so intolerant. Also Christians are hardly rejecting homosexuals, you get gay priests now.
Until you know their reasons, there is no point to argue what their reasons are, as it is apparent to the naked eye which it impose their deviant life-style on one of the very institutions that preaches the virtues of a family unit as dictated by God. Every district has a public secular school which has to by law accept their kid. A catholic school has a religious curriculum and religious principles as a part of their day to day life--The catholic church hasn't caught up with the 'forward progression' of the protestant one and I doubt that it will anytime soon.. so there is no point of two lesbos taking it upon themselves to 'change the world' and scar their kids even more with rejections because of their degenerate life style choices!
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Amadeus85
05-14-2010, 10:24 PM
Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
I don't understand the insistence of these gay groups to forge into territories that simply won't accept them.. Religion is a done deal, they know the religious stance on their life-style, yet they insist to stick their kid in a parochial environment out of all places!

Catholic schools are nowadays in weak state, it has two reasons. First, it's protestantization and judaization of large parts of catholicism after Vaticanum Secundo (1962), second it's the influence of modern ideologies like liberalism, socialism and the child of marxism - feminism. Maybe the nowadays pope can make the situation better. It's nice to know that they try to resist.

The plan of homo-groups is organized, and they will continue their march, until Europe and other western lands reject the demonic credo from French Revolution - Freedom (for lusts) , Equality (in meanness) , Brotherhood (for destruction) .
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Skavau
05-14-2010, 10:37 PM
I'm not with the lesbian couple on this. The reaction of a catholic school to them should be obvious.
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Asiyah3
05-14-2010, 10:45 PM
^I agree.

p.s. I feel sorry for the child.
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marwen
05-15-2010, 01:53 PM
Originally Posted by Skavau
I'm not with the lesbian couple on this. The reaction of a catholic school to them should be obvious.
Why does a lesbian couple (probably not convinced by the catholic rules) want to put their child in a catholic school ?
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Dagless
05-15-2010, 02:08 PM
How did the Catholic school know? The lesbian couple didn't have to come out and say they were a lesbian couple did they? It would have been impossible to prove.

If they deny a lesbian couples kid admittance because they think lesbianism is wrong then shouldn't they deny kids from other faiths admittance since they also see other faiths as wrong?

Also, just because its a Catholic school does not mean it strongly teaches these practices are wrong. From what I've seen a religious school is only different from a secular one by having a few services now and then.
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marwen
05-15-2010, 02:24 PM
Originally Posted by Dagless
How did the Catholic school know? The lesbian couple didn't have to come out and say they were a lesbian couple did they? It would have been impossible to prove.
Well, maybe when a child wants to enter this school, their tow parents should be present (to sign papers etc...) and it's obvious if they are lesbian.

Originally Posted by Dagless
If they deny a lesbian couples kid admittance because they think lesbianism is wrong then shouldn't they deny kids from other faiths admittance since they also see other faiths as wrong?
I know mulim parents who send their children to catholic school. That's because the quality of education is good there, although I don't recommend muslims to do it.
I think catholic schools have no problems with different religions, but I think they don't accept homosexuality or anything that can spread it in their schools including kids from lesbian parents (other kids can be influenced by this).
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Dagless
05-15-2010, 02:28 PM
Originally Posted by marwen
Well, maybe when a child wants to enter this school, their tow parents should be present (to sign papers etc...) and it's obvious if they are lesbian.
It's not obvious unless they are told it. Same sex guardians do not have to be gay.


Originally Posted by marwen
I know mulim parents who send their children to catholic school. That's because the quality of education is good there, although I don't recommend muslims to do it.
I think catholic schools have no problems with different religions, but I think they don't accept homosexuality or anything that can spread it in their schools including kids from lesbian parents (other kids can be influenced by this).
Well that's the point I was making. Lesbianism is against their belief but so are other beliefs, therefore why single out lesbianism? Homosexuality can spread in schools but so can satanism, or atheism.
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marwen
05-15-2010, 02:40 PM
Originally Posted by Dagless
It's not obvious unless they are told it. Same sex guardians do not have to be gay.
Well I see, yes that is possible. I never went to a catholic school, but when they meet guardians, don't they ask about the original parents names at least ? I don't know.

Originally Posted by Dagless
Well that's the point I was making. Lesbianism is against their belief but so are other beliefs, therefore why single out lesbianism? Homosexuality can spread in schools but so can satanism, or atheism.
Yes, that's a little bit strange. May be as a school, they respect moral rules more than belief differences.
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جوري
05-15-2010, 03:20 PM
When you enroll your child in school they set up interviews with both parents.. don't any of you guys have kids or relatives about to enter school? lol
They always request an interview with the child's mother and husband and want to know the relationship of everyone to the child.. I escorted my sister once when my Bro. In law was on call.. and they wanted to know my relationship to my niece and if they can set up a separate interview for the father .. the two Lesbians must have been vocal and I have seldom come across a homosexual who wasn't loud and proud!.. also they can tell by the child's name.. children of Lesbian couples usually have the names of the mothers hyphenated!


so that is how they knew.. I got to tell you one thing I'd like to see in a hospital setting, which is to prevent transsexuals from working in stations near the children's ER and wards.. they absolutely freak them out and you need to make the environment for a sick child as normal as possible.. I fear the whole equal opportunity employment prevents some from exercising proper judgment .. It is insensitive to the patient who should be a priority!


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