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Maro0u
05-17-2010, 12:05 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37178222/ns/business/

RAFAH, Gaza Strip - Hamas police wielding clubs beat and pushed residents out of dozens of homes in the southern Gaza town of Rafah on Sunday before knocking the buildings down with bulldozers, residents said.

Gaza's militant Hamas rulers said the homes were built illegally on government land. Newly homeless residents were furious over Palestinians on bulldozers razing Palestinian homes.

For years, Palestinians have criticized Israel for destroying houses, mostly because they were built without permits issued by the military. Now, Rafah residents complained, their own government, run by the Islamic militant Hamas that seized power in Gaza in July 2007, has done the same.
This is the same thing that Israel did when homes weren't built with a permit!
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Cyph0n
05-17-2010, 07:44 PM
First of all, why the hell aren't there any photos of the destroyed homes? And how the hell did Hamas, which relies almost entirely on external aid, get bulldozers past the border?

Those Zionists just never give up, eh?
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IslamicRevival
05-17-2010, 08:44 PM
Lies, Lies And **** More Lies! Hamas do not have bulldozers or any other significant machinery so how could Hamas do this? Another set up by the Israeli agents, these human devils make me sick

May Allah SWT give Hamas the strength to liberate Palestine and kick those racist illegal Israelis out of PALESTINE!!
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questioner8
05-18-2010, 10:08 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Troubled Soul
Lies, Lies And **** More Lies! Hamas do not have bulldozers or any other significant machinery so how could Hamas do this? Another set up by the Israeli agents, these human devils make me sick

May Allah SWT give Hamas the strength to liberate Palestine and kick those racist illegal Israelis out of PALESTINE!!
BBC News - Hamas wrecks 'illegal' Gaza homes


Hamas wrecks 'illegal' Gaza homes
Hamas, the Palestinian movement which controls the Gaza Strip, has forced residents of a southern town from their homes and demolished their houses.
The radical Islamist group says people living at the edge of the town of Rafah had built their homes illegally on government land.
Witnesses said dozens of people were pushed out of their homes but Hamas says the number has been exaggerated.
Palestinians in Gaza have been angered by the demolitions.
Palestinians are more used to seeing homes destroyed in areas occupied by Israeli military or police for being built without the correct permits, correspondents say.
Club-wielding Hamas policemen - and some female police officers wearing face-covering veils - forced people from their homes and then brought in bulldozers.
Government land
Hamas said that only seven houses were demolished, but witnesses told reporters the real number was around 30 or 40.
Some of the buildings were temporary shacks built by people who had been made homeless in an Israeli incursion into Gaza between December 2008 and January 2009.
Residents said they were sold land permits by by a local land owner, but Hamas said the land was meant for government use.
"They promised reform and change - instead they've destroyed our homes," Miasar Gan told reporters.
Reporters said they were barred from the area by Hamas until the demolitions were over.
In 2005, Israel withdrew its troops and settlers from the Gaza Strip.
The Gaza strip has been controlled by Hamas since 2007 when they forced out rivals Fatah.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/h...st/8687974.stm

Published: 2010/05/17 16:23:38 GMT

© BBC MMX
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Cyph0n
05-18-2010, 11:38 AM
That's great... yet another Western news source controlled by the Zionist regime. I wonder if Al Jazeera has the same news on it's website? Apparently, it doesn't.

A quick search on Google just shows you how fake news spreads like wildfire.
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questioner8
05-18-2010, 12:02 PM
There is a lot about hamas on youtube!

They've got loads of cars for mass weddings and a wonderful t.v. station for children!

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hamas&aq=f

Goodies galore!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0pCY94dFZA
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IslamicRevival
05-18-2010, 08:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by questioner8
BBC News - Hamas wrecks 'illegal' Gaza homes


Hamas wrecks 'illegal' Gaza homes
Hamas, the Palestinian movement which controls the Gaza Strip, has forced residents of a southern town from their homes and demolished their houses.
The radical Islamist group says people living at the edge of the town of Rafah had built their homes illegally on government land.
Witnesses said dozens of people were pushed out of their homes but Hamas says the number has been exaggerated.
Palestinians in Gaza have been angered by the demolitions.
Palestinians are more used to seeing homes destroyed in areas occupied by Israeli military or police for being built without the correct permits, correspondents say.
Club-wielding Hamas policemen - and some female police officers wearing face-covering veils - forced people from their homes and then brought in bulldozers.
Government land
Hamas said that only seven houses were demolished, but witnesses told reporters the real number was around 30 or 40.
Some of the buildings were temporary shacks built by people who had been made homeless in an Israeli incursion into Gaza between December 2008 and January 2009.
Residents said they were sold land permits by by a local land owner, but Hamas said the land was meant for government use.
"They promised reform and change - instead they've destroyed our homes," Miasar Gan told reporters.
Reporters said they were barred from the area by Hamas until the demolitions were over.
In 2005, Israel withdrew its troops and settlers from the Gaza Strip.
The Gaza strip has been controlled by Hamas since 2007 when they forced out rivals Fatah.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/h...st/8687974.stm

Published: 2010/05/17 16:23:38 GMT

© BBC MMX
Hahahaha, This is the same old BBC who REFUSED to air an appeal for Gaza. Anyone with half a rain knows all the mainstream stations are controlled by the zionists so i would expect the same old lies and false propaganda from them

If you want REAL NEWS watch Press TV and Al Jazeera
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Trumble
05-18-2010, 10:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Troubled Soul
If you want REAL NEWS watch Press TV
Now that IS funny. ;D

Sorry to burst the denial bubble, but; arabnews.com. There are plenty of other reports of the same story.
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Maro0u
05-19-2010, 04:59 AM
it was reported first in palestine press.. tats where i got it from first.

its here in arabic: http://www.palpress.ps/arabic/index....hannelID=73712

translate it here: http://translate.google.com

is palestine press controlled by the zionists too?
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Maro0u
05-19-2010, 05:04 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Troubled Soul
Lies, Lies And **** More Lies! Hamas do not have bulldozers or any other significant machinery so how could Hamas do this? Another set up by the Israeli agents, these human devils make me sick

May Allah SWT give Hamas the strength to liberate Palestine and kick those racist illegal Israelis out of PALESTINE!!
if hamas dont have any machinery then how did they create a luxury restaurant: http://roots.ps

and an olympic sized swimming pool:
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=285242
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Maro0u
05-19-2010, 05:05 AM
sorry its http://www.rootsclub.ps/
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جوري
05-19-2010, 05:23 AM
why don't you comment on these?





or

Gaza women killed in mosque siege


Up to 200 women marched towards the mosque


Enlarge Image

Two women have been killed as Israeli troops opened fire on a crowd of women gathered to help besieged gunmen flee a mosque in Beit Hanoun in northern Gaza. One of the women told the BBC they had dressed the militants in women's clothes to help them escape.
The Israeli military said the women were used as "human shields" and that there had been armed men in the crowd.
Reports said at least 16 Palestinians were killed on Friday, the third day of a major Israeli raid on Beit Hanoun.
Several of the dead were killed during a series of air strikes which took place after dark on sites across Gaza.
At least one Palestinian died at a building used as a mosque in Beit Hanoun, another was killed close to nearby Beit Lahiya; two more were killed in the Jabaliya refugee camp, also in northern Gaza.
In Rafah in southern Gaza, a member of a security force linked to Hamas was killed and three wounded when their vehicle was hit in an air strike.
An Israeli military spokesman said five air strikes had taken place, targeting suspected militants who were planting explosives or involved in rocket attacks on Israel.
Hamas appeal
In the dramatic mosque rescue, Hamas radio issued an appeal to local women when a tense stand-off developed between Israeli forces surrounding the building and up to 15 militants who had taken refuge inside.
One of the women, Nahed Abou Harbiya, described what happened to the BBC Arabic Service.

We risked our lives to free our sons




Um Mohammed, Beit Hanoun woman



In pictures: Gaza offensive

"All the women headed to the mosque to get the Palestinian resistance men... But the Israeli occupation forces were firing heavily at us with their machine guns and also threw stun grenades at us.
"We entered the mosque and indeed we got all the resistance men out and put female attire on them so that the Israeli occupation forces wouldn't arrest them," she said.
Israeli troops had moved in and sealed the town off on Wednesday, in one of the biggest offensives in recent months, which Israel says is aimed at stopping militants firing rockets into Israel.
Shots were fired as the women approached Israeli forces. As some of the women tried to pass the troops, further shots came and two women fell to the ground.
At least 10 women and a Palestinian cameraman were injured.
"We risked our lives to free our sons," Um Mohammed, a woman in her 40s, told the AFP news agency afterwards.
Hamas radio reported that all of the militants in the mosque escaped and were uninjured.
Men 'disguised'
Israeli military spokeswoman Avital Leibovich said: "Unfortunately, maybe one woman was killed - I don't know if it's by IDF or not. But our purpose is definitely not to hit the innocent ones.
"We saw crowds of women. Behind the women hid some of the militants. Some of them were even dressed up as women: we have footage," she said.
"Unfortunately because the militants shot at our forces, sometimes we had to respond."




Press despair over Gaza raid
Gaza's rocket threat


The BBC's Matthew Price in Jerusalem says that in television footage of the incident, some men are visible in the crowd, but there is no evidence that they were carrying guns.
Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, of Hamas, said the event was part of a "planned annihilation" of the Palestinians.
He called on UN Secretary General Kofi Annan to come to see what he described as "massacres" committed against them.
In other developments:


  • An Israeli air strike on Gaza City killed four Hamas militants, with a local commander of Hamas' military wing reportedly among the casualties
  • The Palestinian housing minister was arrested by Israeli troops in the West Bank town of Ramallah
  • An elderly Palestinian woman was killed in the West Bank town of Bethlehem during an Israeli army arrest raid
  • At least one Palestinian youth died during an Israeli operation in the West bank town of Nablus

Major raid
About 30 Palestinians and an Israeli soldier have died in violence since the Israeli operation in Beit Hanoun began on Wednesday. Many of those killed were gunmen, but a four-year-old boy died from his wounds overnight.
BBC Middle East analyst Roger Hardy says that Israel's most immediate aim is to prevent rocket attacks against its territory, but beyond that it wants to strike a decisive blow at Hamas.
Israeli forces have made regular incursions into Gaza and the West Bank following the capture of an Israeli soldier, Cpl Gilad Shalit, in a cross-border raid by Palestinian militants on 25 June.
More than 300 Palestinians have been killed in army operations since then, according to Israeli human rights group B'Tselem

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6112386.stm

I notice lately that they have removed many videos from youtube like this one

http://www.youtube.com/index?ytsessi...vyxYjcRiidzeN7

where IDF buldozed into hoda Sultan's home killing her while her two children and husband watched!
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جوري
05-19-2010, 05:28 AM
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-19-2010, 05:30 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
Now that IS funny. ;D

Sorry to burst the denial bubble, but; arabnews.com. There are plenty of other reports of the same story.
Even though all the western Media is bunch of Bull crap.. I still like BBC better than other news stations.

format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
why don't you comment on these?


Gaza women killed in mosque siege


Up to 200 women marched towards the mosque


Enlarge Image

Two women have been killed as Israeli troops opened fire on a crowd of women gathered to help besieged gunmen flee a mosque in Beit Hanoun in northern Gaza. One of the women told the BBC they had dressed the militants in women's clothes to help them escape.
The Israeli military said the women were used as "human shields" and that there had been armed men in the crowd.
Reports said at least 16 Palestinians were killed on Friday, the third day of a major Israeli raid on Beit Hanoun.
Several of the dead were killed during a series of air strikes which took place after dark on sites across Gaza.
At least one Palestinian died at a building used as a mosque in Beit Hanoun, another was killed close to nearby Beit Lahiya; two more were killed in the Jabaliya refugee camp, also in northern Gaza.
In Rafah in southern Gaza, a member of a security force linked to Hamas was killed and three wounded when their vehicle was hit in an air strike.
An Israeli military spokesman said five air strikes had taken place, targeting suspected militants who were planting explosives or involved in rocket attacks on Israel.
Hamas appeal
In the dramatic mosque rescue, Hamas radio issued an appeal to local women when a tense stand-off developed between Israeli forces surrounding the building and up to 15 militants who had taken refuge inside.
One of the women, Nahed Abou Harbiya, described what happened to the BBC Arabic Service.


where IDF buldozed into hoda Sultan's home killing her while her two children and husband watched!
May Allah have mercy on those brave women for their bravery and grant them Firdaus al Alaa. May Allah give victory to those who are fighting for his sake in Iraq, Afghanistan, wa fee kulli makaan, ya rabb. Ameen.
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جوري
05-19-2010, 05:31 AM
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-19-2010, 05:41 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
Looks like they cant spell "were". Stupid Israelis.
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Maro0u
05-19-2010, 05:58 AM
so you are posting these videos because apparently it is OK if hamas destroys homes because israel does it too
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جوري
05-19-2010, 06:01 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Maro0u
so you are posting these videos because apparently it is OK if hamas destroys homes because israel does it too
If you have a grievance with Hamas take it out with Hamas!

all the best
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Trumble
05-19-2010, 06:28 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
why don't you comment on these?
Because they were not the topic of the thread. Surely the whole point of this one is that the actions of Hamas here are particularly shocking precisely because the Israelis have done similar things in the past albeit for rather different motives. Nobody is unaware of that.
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Ramadhan
05-19-2010, 06:45 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
because the Israelis have done similar things in the past albeit for rather different motives. Nobody is unaware of that.
In the past?

LOL.

Which planet are you living on?
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questioner8
05-19-2010, 08:22 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Maro0u
if hamas dont have any machinery then how did they create a luxury restaurant: http://roots.ps

and an olympic sized swimming pool:
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=285242
Good grief, what luxury!

I thought them jooz were starving the palestinians to death:hmm:


:crickey: I live in the free west, and I cannot afford such luxury, and I have a job:rollseyes
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-19-2010, 08:37 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by questioner8
Good grief, what luxury!

I thought them jooz were starving the palestinians to death:hmm:


:crickey: I live in the free west, and I cannot afford such luxury, and I have a job:rollseyes
Them Jooz are not just starving them to death but they are also preventing basic supplies to enter Ghazza.

"Gaza blockade threatens health of 1.4 million, aid agencies warn"

Israeli and Egyptian blockade means nearly one-fifth of requests to leave for treatment are refused or delayed, report says.

The health of 1.4 million people is being put at risk by the ongoing Israeli and Egyptian blockade of Gaza, a report by more than 80 humanitarian organisations warned today.

The aid groups, including the World Health Organisation and UN agencies, said more than one-fifth of sick Palestinians who needed to leave the territory for treatment in Israel had either been refused or had their applications delayed. The groups called on Israel and Egypt to open the border crossings with Gaza.

Max Gaylard, the UN humanitarian co-ordinator for the Palestinian territories, said the blockade undermined the local healthcare system and put lives at risk.

"It is causing ongoing deterioration in the social, economic and environmental determinants of health," he said.

"It is hampering the provision of medical supplies and the training of health staff, and it is preventing patients with serious medical conditions from getting timely specialised treatment."

The agencies highlighted the case of a student, Fidaa Hijji, who died of cancer while waiting for Israeli permission to go to hospital for a bone marrow operation.

Repeated applications to cross the border were ignored even though Hijji, who was 18 when her cancer was diagnosed in 2007, had confirmed medical appointments.

Permission for her entry to Israel was finally given a day after she died last month.

Israel generally permits supplies of drugs into Gaza, but not always of enough to prevent shortages. Certain medical equipment, such as x-ray and electronic devices, is difficult to bring in and clinical staff frequently lack equipment they need, the UN said.

The blockade was imposed after Hamas militants seized control of Gaza in 2007.

Health professionals in Gaza have been cut off from the outside world, with few doctors, nurses or technicians able to leave for the training necessary to update their clinical skills or learn about new medical technology during the past decade, the agencies said.

Many specialised treatments, such as heart surgery and some cancer treatments, are unavailable in Gaza.

"An effective healthcare system cannot be sustained in isolation from the international community," Tony Laurance, the WHO head in the West Bank and Gaza, said.

"Open borders are needed to ensure the health of the 1.4 million people in Gaza."

WHO figures indicate that 21% of the 1,103 applications last month to travel to Israel for hospital appointments were denied or delayed.

Twenty-nine patients died last year awaiting referral, down from 46 in 2008.

An Israeli spokesman said approvals had increased by 25% since 2008.

"Not only are we doing our utmost to allow the people of Gaza every possible medical treatment, but we are doing this in a situation in which their own government is imposing a state of war and trying deliberately to harm Israelis, including those whose mission is to assist the very people of Gaza," Yigal Palmor, a spokesman for Israel's foreign ministry, said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...th-risk-report

Open up your eyes and comprehend beyond what the media feeds you.
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Supreme
05-19-2010, 10:51 AM
This isn't really surprising news- Hamas is hardly reknowned for its stellar treatment of the people it governs.
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Cyph0n
05-19-2010, 11:19 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Maro0u
it was reported first in palestine press.. tats where i got it from first.

its here in arabic: http://www.palpress.ps/arabic/index....hannelID=73712

translate it here: http://translate.google.com

is palestine press controlled by the zionists too?
I specifically said Al Jazeera News. If they don't have the scoop, and other channels do, then know that those channels are full of **** (excuse my Hebrew).

format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
This isn't really surprising news- Hamas is hardly reknowned for its stellar treatment of the people it governs.
Which group defended Gaza from the cursed Zionists during the bombing and, later on, attack that happened in early 2009?

Maybe Hamas is a little strict, but it still is the ONLY defender of Gaza, so it's better than no protection at all, no?
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جوري
05-19-2010, 02:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
Because they were not the topic of the thread. Surely the whole point of this one is that the actions of Hamas here are particularly shocking precisely because the Israelis have done similar things in the past albeit for rather different motives. Nobody is unaware of that.
Actually the thread has no point. If I live in my house, you come invading, my mother gets sick as a result of your sick actions, whilst I am renovating my kitchen, it doesn't make me the bad guy for having contractors work on my kitchen instead of spending the money on my mother because of your actions, or even make me the subject to your questioning. I am not really sure I understand the logic employed here at all if there were any at all. People are being bulldozed and killed by IDF it isn't propaganda it is clear and visible to the naked eye. Take care of that first before questioning what the indigenous population is doing with its money or at all.. that is if I actually accept the premise here which I don't..

all the best
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Supreme
05-19-2010, 03:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Cyph0n

Which group defended Gaza from the cursed Zionists during the bombing and, later on, attack that happened in early 2009?

Maybe Hamas is a little strict, but it still is the ONLY defender of Gaza, so it's better than no protection at all, no?
Hamas was the very reason for Israel's offensive in Gaza, so I should hope they would try and defend the Palestinians. Two wrongs don't make a right; just because Hamas offers the Palestinians protection, it does not give them the right to exploit and harm the very people they are charged with protecting.
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Cyph0n
05-19-2010, 04:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Hamas was the very reason for Israel's offensive in Gaza, so I should hope they would try and defend the Palestinians. Two wrongs don't make a right; just because Hamas offers the Palestinians protection, it does not give them the right to exploit and harm the very people they are charged with protecting.
Being strict doesn't make them harmful people; I don't know why you seem to think that. Exploiting and harming Palestinians? Never heard of that happening, except from every single Zionist news channel out there.

Let's say BBC was right (I doubt it) about Hamas kicking people out of their own homes. Why would they protect the people from the Zionists, then go ahead and mess it up by taking their homes by force over a year later (or earlier, whatever)? Unless they're low on housing or something (/sarcasm), which is highly unlikely.

And finally, Hamas may have been the only viable reason for Israel's attack on Gaza, but what else could their petty resistance do? Stop shooting homemade rockets into occupied Palestine after they've been contained behind a giant wall for I-don't-know-how-many years? Even Israel said, during the Hamas rocket attack, that their (Hamas') rockets were no threat whatsoever. That shows you that Israel went ahead and bombarded Gaza, killing over a thousand people in the process, just because they were pissed-off from Hamas' nonthreatening self-defence.
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Ramadhan
05-19-2010, 05:12 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Hamas was the very reason for Israel's offensive in Gaza, so I should hope they would try and defend the Palestinians. Two wrongs don't make a right; just because Hamas offers the Palestinians protection, it does not give them the right to exploit and harm the very people they are charged with protecting.
ever heard the concept of justice?

No?

I guess if you are already saved, your actions count zilch and hence no concept of justice.
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Trumble
05-19-2010, 06:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
Which planet are you living on?
One on which English dictionaries are available both online and in all good bookshops.
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IslamicRevival
05-19-2010, 07:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
Now that IS funny. ;D

Sorry to burst the denial bubble, but; arabnews.com. There are plenty of other reports of the same story.
You know what, i cant be bothered discussing this issue with pro Israeli/pro racist/anti humanity supporters
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Supreme
05-19-2010, 07:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Cyph0n
Being strict doesn't make them harmful people; I don't know why you seem to think that. Exploiting and harming Palestinians? Never heard of that happening, except from every single Zionist news channel out there.
No, but taking away their homes does make them harmful people.

Let's say BBC was right (I doubt it) about Hamas kicking people out of their own homes. Why would they protect the people from the Zionists, then go ahead and mess it up by taking their homes by force over a year later (or earlier, whatever)? Unless they're low on housing or something (/sarcasm), which is highly unlikely.
Why? Why do evil people do evil things? I honestly don't know. Power, money, ignorance, ideology... the reasons differ. I don't know what the motive is in the case of Hamas.
ever heard the concept of justice?

No?

Yes, I have heard of the concept of justice.
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IslamicRevival
05-19-2010, 07:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Maro0u
if hamas dont have any machinery then how did they create a luxury restaurant: http://roots.ps

and an olympic sized swimming pool:
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=285242
I aint even gna bother clicking on them links as im certain all you did was a quick Google search to dig up some dirt on Hamas. I can do the same but i aint no coward, Its just too easy finding sites which are unreliable.
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IslamicRevival
05-19-2010, 07:48 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Hamas was the very reason for Israel's offensive in Gaza, so I should hope they would try and defend the Palestinians. Two wrongs don't make a right; just because Hamas offers the Palestinians protection, it does not give them the right to exploit and harm the very people they are charged with protecting.
Where do you get your trash from?

Israel broke the ceasefire, Hamas did not so how can you say such garbage?
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Supreme
05-19-2010, 07:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Troubled Soul
Where do you get your trash from?

Israel broke the ceasefire, Hamas did not so how can you say such garbage?
It was Hamas firing rockets persistently into Israel that the Israelis decided to respond with their offensive. That was the whole justification/excuse for the invasion.
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Rhubarb Tart
05-19-2010, 08:01 PM
To be honest all these neighboring “Muslim” countries are powerful enough to assist Palestinians. Help them rebuild their countries and defend themselves. But noo many of them torture Palestinians refugees and shot them when they cross the border. But who am I kidding? Have you seen Moscow prisons (including people who are innocent) and the way the treat their own people?
BBC is so “not” reliable? Why have they posted “positive news” on Muslims countries and have done countless of times and will continue to do so.

To be honest all these neighboring “Muslim” countries are powerful enough to assist Palestinians. Help them rebuild their countries and defend themselves. But no many of them torture Palestinians refugees and shot them when they cross the border. But who am I kidding? Have you seen Moscow prisons (including people who are innocent) and the way the treat their own people?
BBC is so “not” reliable? Why have they posted “positive news” on Muslims countries and have done countless of times and will continue to do so.

Anything negative about a group of Muslims = false and fake stories created by anti Islamic people. Subhanallah people here make out as if “Muslims” cannot do anything evil or there is no such thing as “bad” Muslims.
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IslamicRevival
05-19-2010, 09:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
It was Hamas firing rockets persistently into Israel that the Israelis decided to respond with their offensive. That was the whole justification/excuse for the invasion.
What can i say except for you are a liar of the highest degree. You are contradicting the terrorist Israelis you support who admitted Hamas fired no rockets during the ceasefire, It was the racist regime you support who broke the ceasefire by killing innocent Palestinians, Hamas responded quite rightly.

Take a look at this video and weep. People like you make me sick.



My signature sums you up.
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Supreme
05-19-2010, 09:52 PM
What can i say except for you are a liar of the highest degree.
Oooh, OK. Insults generally don't work well in debates, and I'd strongly advise against using an ad hominem. It doesn't reflect too well on you.
You are contradicting the terrorist Israelis you support who admitted Hamas fired no rockets during the ceasefire
I never said I supported Israel, so that's a moot point. I was pointing out the justification the Israelis used for going into Gaza. I didn't comment on the justification myself. I didn't say it was right, or if it was truthful. Please refrain from jumping to conclusions. It doesn't reflect too well on you.

It was the racist regime you support who broke the ceasefire by killing innocent Palestinians, Hamas responded quite rightly.

Another moot point. One does not respond rightly to a given situation by throwing the people you should be protecting out of their homes.

Take a look at this video and weep. People like you make me sick.
I've done nothing but point out the facts of the matter. If the facts make you sick, then it is no problem of mine.

My signature sums you up.
I'm not sure how that works, either. I stand for plenty; do not make the mistake that just because I do not agree with you that I do not stand for anything. That is ignorance and bigotry, and it doesn't reflect too well on you.
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IslamicRevival
05-19-2010, 11:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Oooh, OK. Insults generally don't work well in debates, and I'd strongly advise against using an ad hominem. It doesn't reflect too well on you.


I never said I supported Israel, so that's a moot point. I was pointing out the justification the Israelis used for going into Gaza. I didn't comment on the justification myself. I didn't say it was right, or if it was truthful. Please refrain from jumping to conclusions. It doesn't reflect too well on you.




Another moot point. One does not respond rightly to a given situation by throwing the people you should be protecting out of their homes.



I've done nothing but point out the facts of the matter. If the facts make you sick, then it is no problem of mine.



I'm not sure how that works, either. I stand for plenty; do not make the mistake that just because I do not agree with you that I do not stand for anything. That is ignorance and bigotry, and it doesn't reflect too well on you.
All I'm going to say is, Watch the video....Watch and weep. You are the ignorant and bigoted one here, I dont ignore the facts (watch the video) and still lie through my teeth. Nice try in trying to sway away from the subject when you got caught lying, it aint gna work with me.

PS. I am not insulting you, calling a spade a spade isnt derogatory , Now take a hike
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Supreme
05-20-2010, 10:34 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Troubled Soul
All I'm going to say is, Watch the video....Watch and weep. You are the ignorant and bigoted one here, I dont ignore the facts (watch the video) and still lie through my teeth. Nice try in trying to sway away from the subject when you got caught lying, it aint gna work with me.

PS. I am not insulting you, calling a spade a spade isnt derogatory , Now take a hike
I saw the video. Unfortunately, it didn't say anything regarding Hamas throwing Palestinians out of their homes. So the facts, on your part at least, are still unverified.

PS. Liar is a derogartory term, and avoid strawmen comparisons. It doesn't reflect too well on you.
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Cyph0n
05-20-2010, 02:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
No, but taking away their homes does make them harmful people.
It seems like you don't get why this argument started in the first place: Hamas does not steal homes. If, in your own opinion, they do steal homes, then you're pretty gullible, because most [Zionist] news channels (like BBC and CNN) bring news about Islam for one of the following reasons:

1) To convince gullible idiots (no offense) that all Muslims are terrorists with bombs strapped to their chests, and the ones with bushy beards are usually the heads of major terrorist cells worldwide (just like 24).

or

2) To show that Muslims are a bunch of hungry barbarians who keep fighting each other and kicking their own people out of their homes for no specific reason.

The latter, obviously, is an example of what BBC and CNN (and most other news channels) are trying to, and, apparently, have succeeded in pulling off.

So, if you still happen to believe that Hamas is responsible for the destruction of innocent peoples' homes and that it's the most evil thing to ever happen after the Jews themselves, then you, my friend, are one of the victims of mass media and propaganda.

format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Why? Why do evil people do evil things? I honestly don't know. Power, money, ignorance, ideology... the reasons differ. I don't know what the motive is in the case of Hamas.
Now that you've accepted the fact that Hamas has no clear motive for it's "treacherous" acts, you may be able to see that there is some kind of rubbish behind the accusation. Unless this is one of those crimes from a Sherlock Holmes novel, there should be an obvious motive for almost any act of "evil", no?

And if, after all this arguing, you're still convinced that Hamas are a bunch of evil terrorists that steal peoples' homes for no apparent reason whatsoever, then please prove that Hamas did indeed destroy homes by showing me a picture of one of the homes they destroyed, if possible.
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Supreme
05-20-2010, 03:32 PM
It seems like you don't get why this argument started in the first place: Hamas does not steal homes. If, in your own opinion, they do steal homes, then you're pretty gullible, because most [Zionist] news channels (like BBC and CNN) bring news about Islam for one of the following reasons:
The myth of the BBC being a Zionist news channel is exactly that: a myth. Every time a news channel produces a piece of news that you do not agree with, it is not right to slap the label 'zionist' on it. It may help you personally turn a blind eye and ignore the news- I mean, so long as the news channel knocks your polical beliefs, it must be wrong, right?- but for the rest of us who don't automatically think that uncomfortable and disagreeable news is part of an inane, covert, antagonistic plot, it's just not that easy or simple to dismiss news. Indeed, the fact you're accusing the very same BBC news of zionism, an organization that is often thought of as being sympathetic of Hamas and critical of Israel, is beyond me.

1) To convince gullible idiots (no offense) that all Muslims are terrorists with bombs strapped to their chests, and the ones with bushy beards are usually the heads of major terrorist cells worldwide (just like 24).
This is paranoia. Although, it isn't even that. It's just insanity. It's utter nonsense. If the media aimed to brainwash people in the UK against Muslims in the way you suggest they do, they are clearly doing an abhorrent job of it. Otherwise there would be widespread support of the BNP, nowhere near the same opposition to the Iraq war as there is and people crying from left, right and center that Muslims should be deported and Islamic practises banned.

So, if you still happen to believe that Hamas is responsible for the destruction of innocent peoples' homes and that it's the most evil thing to ever happen after the Jews themselves, then you, my friend, are one of the victims of mass media and propaganda.
I still believe it because you have not managed to provide me a single reputable source that challenges the article. Aside from the usual, unfounded cries of a zionist media and a brainwashed, gullible public. Which are both thoroughly silly suggestions.
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Cyph0n
05-20-2010, 07:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Every time a news channel produces a piece of news that you do not agree with, it is not right to slap the label 'zionist' on it.
Yes, I may have overused the word 'Zionist' in my replies, so I'll admit to that. But I, as a Muslim, know that when it comes to news related to Islam, Western channels are somewhat biased in their view of who's right and who's wrong, which is exactly the case in this particular scoop. The fact remains that making Muslims look like extremists is what BBC and the likes love to do, even if it involves manipulating the truth.

format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
It may help you personally turn a blind eye and ignore the news- I mean, so long as the news channel knocks your polical beliefs, it must be wrong, right?- but for the rest of us who don't automatically think that uncomfortable and disagreeable news is part of an inane, covert, antagonistic plot, it's just not that easy or simple to dismiss news. Indeed, the fact you're accusing the very same BBC news of zionism, an organization that is often thought of as being sympathetic of Hamas and critical of Israel, is beyond me.
As a news channel, Al Jazeera reports almost every single event covered by any of the major news channels out there, like BBC or CNN. But, apparently, it didn't report anything about Hamas demolishing homes with bulldozers. Why is that? Do you think it "turned a blind eye" just because it didn't like the nature of the scoop itself? I don't think so. Like any other news channel, it's main obligation is to cover anything and everything that passes as typical news, so skipping an event that dozens of other channels reported is just downright suspicious.

format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
This is paranoia. Although, it isn't even that. It's just insanity. It's utter nonsense. If the media aimed to brainwash people in the UK against Muslims in the way you suggest they do, they are clearly doing an abhorrent job of it.
I never aimed my statement at the UK in particular; I meant the Western community in general, especially the US. You of all people should know that 40% (I think?) of the UK comprises of Pakistanis and Indians, most of which are Muslims. Such a large percentage of Muslims must, in one way or another, show English citizens first-hand that not all Muslims are terrorists.

format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
I still believe it because you have not managed to provide me a single reputable source that challenges the article.
And you have yet to provide proof aside from an article provided by a slightly biased news source. Something like a photo of a building destroyed by Hamas' bulldozers, perhaps?

format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Aside from the usual, unfounded cries of a zionist media and a brainwashed, gullible public. Which are both thoroughly silly suggestions.
Manipulation of the news a widely known way of winning people to support your cause during wars. If I remember correctly, the same thing happened during the Vietnam War; the American media blinded US citizens from the truth by showing them only what they wanted them to see: angry Viet Cong soldiers jumping up from pits in the jungle. As for my claim that the public is gullible, you really have no idea what the response would be if you asked an average American what a Muslim looks like. Try it one day; it'll be a blast.
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IslamicRevival
05-20-2010, 08:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
I saw the video. Unfortunately, it didn't say anything regarding Hamas throwing Palestinians out of their homes. So the facts, on your part at least, are still unverified.

PS. Liar is a derogartory term, and avoid strawmen comparisons. It doesn't reflect too well on you.
In your above post, you're bleating on about how the video 'doesnt say anything regarding Hamas throwing Palestinians out of their homes' If there ever was a compulsive manipulative individual on this forum, it has to be you

This video was a response to the comments you made previously:

It was Hamas firing rockets persistently into Israel that the Israelis decided to respond with their offensive. That was the whole justification/excuse for the invasion.
The video clearly shows you contradicting the Terrorists you support, that clearly stumped you.



Its there for everyone to see, the terrorist admitted Hamas Freedom Fighters fired ZERO rockets during ceasefire, You tried to sway away from the fact you got caught out by going on and on about how 'It doesn't reflect too well on' (me)

You said that THREE times in one message, and you have said it once again in your above message, A typical snake like tactic i would expect from yourself.

See how this supreme liar and manipulative individual is twisting everything?

Stop embarrassing yourself man, you think you're clever with your mind games but in reality you aint

PS. Like i said before, Calling a spade a spade is not derogatory.
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جوري
05-20-2010, 08:09 PM
I think he tends to give his opinion rather than facts and is unable to back them up.. I really wouldn't call it more than that, he is just another kid with rose tinted dreams who thinks his views on the world aren't only correct but the idyllic ones..

we do have a few snakes and Tartuffes on board but I wouldn't classify him as one of them.. lack of education on the issues doesn't equal to cunning ..

:w:
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IslamicRevival
05-20-2010, 08:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
The myth of the BBC being a Zionist news channel is exactly that: a myth.
The Zionist Jews have an almost total grip on the media in Britain, systematically, constantly and intensely feeding their propaganda and example to almost everyone in Britain, which is nothing new. With this media, they are uniformly, deliberately, systematically, constantly and intensely promoting both the transformation and permanent destruction of Britain into a multiracial, "multicultural" state, and also the interests of the so-called "state of Israel", against the wishes and interests of the native British people. All of the following powerful controllers/owners are Jews:

BBC television under Alan Yentob broadcasts into almost every home all day, every day. Likewise ITV, which is controlled by Carlton Communications plc under Michael Green and by Granada plc under Steve Morrison, each of which broadcasts to regions of 26 million, half of the population, or more, all day, every day. Daytime television across the ITV network, which broadcasts to the whole of Britain, every day, is mainly provided by Anglia Television under Graham Creelman, while the rest of the time it is controlled by the regions controlled by Carlton Communications plc and Granadaplc. Likewise ITN, which provides the news for the ITV network every day, is controlled by Michael Green and its programmes are broadcast to the whole of Britain, while Carlton and Granada jointly own the London News Network. Further, BSkyB controlled by Rupert Murdoch broadcasts to over 10 million subscribers and their families every day.

Meanwhile, the main two production studios in Britain, and the largest in Europe, are controlled by Pinewood-Shepperton Limited, controlled by Michael Grade.

The situation is similar in radio, with all BBC radio stations controlled by Jenny Abramsky, alone accounting for 49% of all radio listening in Britain, every day. Further, in total, over 85 million copies of Jewish-controlled newspapers are sold in Britain every week, controlled by Richard Desmond, Rupert Murdoch, Guy Zitter, the openly Shabbat Goy and rabidly Zionist Conrad Black and Mrs Black (Barbara Amiel.)


We shall first consider their control of television and of radio, and then of the press; finally we shall give a summary of our findings. All data contained in the study are accurate as of May 2002.


Television and Radio

ITV - Jewish Controlled

It had always supposedly been a principle of ITV, since its foundation in 1955, that unlike the BBC, each company involved could only hold a franchise to broadcast to a single region and that these franchises were to be reviewed every couple of years. But in 1993, Michael Green, who is the founder and Chairman of Carlton Communications plc, along with Saatchi brothers of the advertising giants Saatchi and Saatchi, aggressively campaigned to have the independence of the ITV regions abolished, with the Government agreeing. At present, the ITV network is divided into fourteen regions, all of which are controlled by two Jewish-controlled companies, Carlton Communications plc and Granada plc, except for the less populous regions of Scotland, Ulster and the Channel Islands. Carlton controls Central, London, West Country and HTV Wales and West: while Granada controls Anglia, Border, Granada, London Weekend, Meridian, Tyne Tees and Yorkshire.

In April 2001, Carlton Communications plc and Granada plc announced proposals for partnership in a new ITV company, which will put the entire ITV network under the control of a single Jewish-controlled ITV company. New Labour have announced, May 2002, that present laws which would prohibit such a merger are to be changed in their Communications Bill. The new company will simply have control of ITV, ITV2, and a new ITV Sport Channel. Michael Green, the Jewish Chairman of Carlton Communications plc, boasted of the new monopoly that: "ITV will now leapfrog the BBC and Sky with this new partnership. A combined free-to-air and pay television audience of 50 million viewers a week offering entertainment, the Internet and e-commerce is a world first." Steve Morrison, the Jewish Chief Executive of Granada plc, commented: "This agreement will fuel the growth and evolution of ITV and unlock the full potential of our assets in the digital age. ITV's strong content brands, like Coronation Street, Popstars, Survivor and Who Wants to be a Millionaire? will be exploited across all channels, making ITV the home of entertainment for everyone, everywhere." As things are, each of the companies broadcasts to 26 million people, half of the country, or more. Kosher TV.


Carlton Communications plc - Jewish Controlled

Michael Philip Green is the founder and Chairman of Carlton Communications plc, floated on the London Stock Exchange in February 1983, and has a personal "salary" of £892,000 and a personal fortune of £124 million. Carlton has a turnover of £2.1 billion, and in A. D. 2000 reported pre-tax profits of £342m, while Green has a "salary" of £892,000 per year and a staff of 3000. Carlton is a media company, dealing in free and pay television, the making and distribution of programmes, as well as in interactive television and the internet. It owns over 40 per cent of the ITV network, which is by far the UK's largest commercial broadcaster, and thereby presently broadcasts to 26 million people in the United Kingdom. Its ITV channels are: Central, London, West Country and HTV Wales and HTV West. Its Carlton Channels division also includes 50% of London News Network, 25% of GMTV and 20% of ITN. Carlton Productions is a major producer for ITV, producing drama, entertainment, factual, factual entertainment, comedy and children's titles, investing over £200m a year in producing new television programmes for ITV, BBC, Channel 4, Channel 5 and digital channels. It includes the producer Planet 24, responsible for Gay Time TV, and the supplier of game show formats Action Time. Carlton International controls and sells a library of 2,000 films and 18, 000 hours of television programmes to over 100 countries. Carlton America produces seventeen films for television each year. According to the Media Guardian, July 16, 2001: "His future power is inextricably linked to the future of ITV, which will become a single company in the not too distant future." He was quoted in the Jewish Chronicle as declaring that: "I am very aware of being Jewish." Kosher TV.


ITN - Jewish Controlled

Green is also Director of ITN, which provides the news for the ITV network, of GMTV Limited and of Thomson multimedia in France. He is also Chairman of the Media Trust. Kosher TV.


Granada plc - Jewish Controlled

In the year ending 30th September 2000, Granada plc had a turnover of £5,447 million and made operating profits of £123 million. Like its partner Carlton Communications plc, Granada is a media company, dealing in television broadcasting and production, pay and digital TV. The company owns seven of the ITV stations: Anglia, Border, Granada, London Weekend, Meridian, Tyne Tees and Yorkshire. It broadcasts to 60% of Britain's homes. Its other ITV investments are ITN (20%), GMTV (25%), London News Network (50%), and the Scottish Media Group (18.1%), which controls Grampian, and Scottish. Granada Creative produces nearly 9000 hours of original television programmes and films per year, which it sells to more than 120 countries and makes in five countries worldwide. It made 60 % of the ITV Network's original programmes, in A. D. 2000, and 83 % of its best-rating ones.

Steve Morrison (Jewish) is Chief Executive of Granda plc. He joined Granada Television in 1974, was made Director of Programmes in 1987, and was appointed Managing Director of Granada in 1993, Managing Director of LWT in 1994, Chairman of the ITV Marketing Group and of Laser Sales in 1995, and Chief Operating Officer of Granada Media Group in 1996. He is also Governor of the National Film and Television School. He is set on permanent joint domination of the entire ITV network with his fellow Jew Michael Green. Kosher TV.


Anglia Television - Jewish Controlled

Also worthy of mention within the ITV network is Anglia Television, now part of the Granada Media Group. Broadcasting to the East of England, covering nine counties from the Wash to the Thames and westwards to Northamptonshire, Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire, of which it is the most watched television channel, it has its own audience of over four million. However, as a producer, Anglia is the major provider of daytime and religious programmes for the entire ITV Network and also produces documentaries.

Graham Creelman has been Managing Director of Anglia Television since 1996. He is also Chairman of Anglia Multimedia, Chair of Eastern Screen, and Chair of East of England Cultural Consortium. Before joining Anglia, he was a current affairs producer for BBC Television, and specialised in politics. Kosher TV.


BBC TV - Jewish Controlled

The present Director General of the BBC is Greg Dyke, who is thought to be a Shabbats Goy. He was appointed by the fanatically muliticulti New Labour Government, to which Party he had donated over £50, 000 in the preceding five years. He was previously Chairman of Pearson Broadcasting plc, who then owned Thames Television, and while there he left its day-to-day running to the Managing Director, Tony Cohen. Dyke is well known for his fanatical anti-white crusade. He complained during his interview on BBC Radio Scotland's The Mix show on January 7, 2001 that, "I think the BBC is hideously white." And I had thought it was hideously Jewish, like the rest of the world's media! He has made Linda Mitchell (a black woman) Head of Diversity at the BBC, with the task of ensuring that the BBC fully reflects "the diversity of the United Kingdom" in its programmes and workforce. Dyke explained at a Race in the Media conference, that his crusade to enlarge the ethnic representation of the BBC is the "acid test" of his tenure. We do not think that Dyke has much to worry about on that score.

Alan Yentob is Director of Drama, Entertainment and Children's Programmes for all of BBC television with a personal staff of 1392 and a salary of £213,000. He formerly had the title of Director of Television from 1997 to 2000 and before that, Director of Programmes. According to Broadcast magazine in 1996, his former title gave him "control over all non-news BBC programmes including those for satellite channels and those in English for the World Service." Judging by his new title, one does not suppose much has changed. He is a close personal friend of Michael Green who owns Carlton plc and of Michael Grade, Chairman of Pinewood-Shepperton Limited, whom we shall meet soon. They holidayed together in the Caribbean and, together with Charles Saatchi, are referred to by insiders as the "St. John's Wood Mafia". For good measure the atheist Jew, Alan Bookbinder was appointed the BBC's new Head of Religion and Ethics in July 2001. Kosher TV.

The BBC, like the rest of the supposedly British media, is fully-geared to the all-out promotion of "multiculturalism". Its Producers' Guidelines specify to its potential programme producers that: "People from all groups should be represented in the full range of our programmes. [...] BBC programmes should not categorise black people as criminals. [...] Colour should be mentioned only when it is relevant. Ask yourself each time: would you say "white" in similar circumstances? [...] Programmes must not allow offensive assumptions or generalisations in scripted material, and interviewees who express them need to be challenged wherever possible. [...] BBC programmes must not be vehicles for prejudice. Lesbians and gay men can be particularly subject to thoughtless and offensive stereotyping. [...] Programmes must not allow offensive assumptions or generalisations in scripted material, and interviewees who express them need to be challenged with vigour. [...] Be sensitive to the effect of language. 'Homosexual' has wide currency. 'Gay and lesbian' is often preferred and is certainly acceptable." Kosher TV


BBC Radio - Jewish Controlled

Jenny Abramsky is Director of BBC Radio and Music and has control of all of BBC Radios 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Live, and of the BBC's digital radio operation. Abramsky is the most powerful executive in radio in the UK, public service or commercial: with control of the five national radio stations she oversees 49% of all radio listening in Britain. She has an annual programming budget of £290 million, a staff of 600 and takes home £258, 000. She has spent over 30 years in BBC Radio, only taking a two-year break as Director of the BBC Continuous News Services. Abramsky has also been a Governor of the British Film Industry since February 2000. The BFI Annual Review for the year 1999-2000 states: "We embarked on a series of initiatives to establish cultural diversity as a core value across the BFI". They have established the Towards Visibility campaign as part of their"cultural diversity strategy". She received the accolade of "Woman of Distinction" from Jewish Care in 1990. Kosher Radio.


BSkyB - Jewish Controlled

British Sky Broadcasting is also a significant television broadcaster in the United Kingdom, and a part of the global media empire, News Corporation, of Rupert Murdoch, son of Elizabeth Green who was the daughter of a wealthy Jewish family. His rise in the media business has been due to the financial support of Jews Oppenheimer, Bronfman, Armand Hammer and the Jewish Rothschild empire.

The satellite broadcasting arm of Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, Sky Global Networks, includes the lion's share of British Sky Broadcasting. British Sky Broadcasting is Britain's leading pay-TV provider and one of the world's top 250 companies. It broadcasts news, entertainment and sports programmes to over 10 million subscribers and their families in the Britain and Ireland, which includes five and half million subscribers to its digital satellite service, which was launched in 1998 with 140 channels. By 1999, satellite and cable television channels accounted for over 15% of total UK viewing. Murdoch has spoken of "my faith and News Corporation's faith in the integrity and worthiness of the Zionist undertaking", and has explained that, "I have always believed in the future of Israel and the goals of the international Jewish community." Kosher TV.


'American' Satellite Broadcasters - Jewish Controlled

The other leading media bosses in the world all broadcast some channels into Britain via satellite: Gerald Levin, the Chief Executive Officer of AOL-Time Warner, the leading media conglomerate in the world with sales of £18 billion in the first two quarters of 2001, and 133 million subscribers; Michael Eisner, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Disney, another world leading media conglomerate, with a turnover of $25 billion; and Sumner Rothstein ("Redstone"), Chairman and Chief Executive of Viacom, also a world leading media conglomerate with a turnover of $20 billion. Sumner Redstone said of Murdoch that, "he basically wants to conquer the world." Takes one to know one? Something to bear in mind. For their part, Jewish-controlled AOL-Time Warner boast that, "We touch consumers worldwide more than 2.5 billion times each month." Kosher TV.


Pinewood-Shepperton Limited - Jewish Controlled

Pinewood-Shepperton Limited is the result of the merger of Britain's two leading film and television production studios, Pinewood and Shepperton into a single company. Pinewood was built in the l930s by J. Arthur Rank and was the home of many "classic" British films. It is Europe's leading production facility and has been at the front of international production for over 60 years, presently providing studio facilities for producers of feature films, commercial and television programmes. Shepperton has also been in operation since the 1930s and over 600 films have been made here, including many British "classics". It is the second largest production studio in Britain, hosting high profile television programmes and providing facilities and stages for hundreds of commercials a year.

Pinwood-Shepperton is controlled by Michael Grade. Grade is the nephew of the Jewish Lew Grade, also a film producer and one of the founders of the ITV network. Michael Grade was formerly Controller of BBC 1 in 1984, Director of BBC Programmes in 1986, and as Chief Executive of Channel 4 from 1988 to 1997, he was dubbed "pornographer-in-chief" by the Daily Mail. He is now Executive Chairman of Pinewood and Shepperton Studios, Executive Chairman of Pinewood-Shepperton Limited, Chairman of Hemscott plc, Chairman of the Octopus Publishing Group and in October 2001 was made Chairman of Camelot. Grade purchased Pinewood Studios from the Rank Group plc for £62 million in February 2000 A. D. He was backed by the investment trust "3i", paying £55.5 million in cash and £6.5 million in a loan note, repayable in 2007. In February 2001 he paid £35 million for the rival Shepperton Studios, again backed by "3i", and while the studios continue to operate under their old names, they are now merged into a single company as Pinewood-Shepperton, valued at over $144 million. Kosher TV.


The Cultural Diversity Network

We have already seen the pro-multicultural policies of the Jewish-controlled BBC, whereby "the full range" of their programmes are constantly to be used as instruments for the promotion of "multiculturalism". The same is true of all the other Jewish-controlled broadcasters in Britain, too. They are all committed in their policies to the intense, systematic promotion of a permanent transformation of Britain into a multiracial, "multicultural" Britain. This uniformity of political purpose finds an important rallying expression in the so-called Cultural Diversity Network, which was launched on October 12, 2000. Its membership comprises the ITV Network Centre, Carlton Communications plc, the Granada plc, the BBC, Channels 4 and 5, BSkyB, ITN, the Independent Television Commission, the Royal Television Society, BAFTA, the Film Council and the Broadcasting Standards Commission; United News and Media and Pearson plc were also members before they were absorbed by Carlton andGranda. In other words, all the Jewish controlled broadcasters in Britain and their associate bodies are aligned to the CDN.

Although Jews have been using their control of the media to transform Britain for decades, the so-called Campaign for Racial Equality stated in April 2001 that: "British TV bosses plan to revolutionize the way new television programmes are developed in the future, putting diversity right at the heart of the creative process." They quoted the Chairman of the CDN as explaining as the purpose of the Network as follows: "Britain is changing. And British television needs to change too. We are becoming an increasingly multiracial, multicultural society. [] The new Commissioning Clause will make diversity one of the standard criteria against which new programme proposals are judged. I fully expect it will change the face of television as we know it." In other words, all of the Jewish-controlled broadcasters in Britain are committed to constantly and systematically using all of their programmes to promote a multiracial, "multicultural" transformation of Britain, against the expressed wishes of the British people. Kosher TV.


Newspapers

Express Newpapers - Jewish Controlled

Express Newspapers owns the Daily Express, the Sunday Express and the Daily Star, all of which have a national circulation. The Daily express had an average daily circulation of 927,785 in the six months to April 2002, being Britain's second-leading mid-market paper, after the Daily Mail. The Sunday Express had an average circulation of 842, 003 in the same period, and the Daily Star 828, 823. All together Express Newspapers distributes an average 13 million newspapers in Britain perweek.

Express Newpapers was bought in November 2000 by Northern and Shell, all owned by the Jewish Richard Desmond. Desmond is a "Porno King" who made his personal fortune of £150 million selling pornography, which shows the sort of filth who are allowed to control the media in Britain. He also owns the porno magazines "Big Ones" and "Asian Babes", as well as the porno satellite stations "Television X" and "The Fantasy Channel" and perverted "sex" sites on the internet. Such filth are quite big celebrities in Zionist Occupied Britain: Desmond has been to tea with the Queen, and the Duke of Edinburgh officially opened the Docklands HQ of his porno company. He donated £100,000 to Blair's Jewish-controlled Labour in return for them not opposing his acquisition of Express Newspapers, which is small fry compared to the £30 million "raised" for Jew Labour by "Lord" Levi "moneybags", as he is known, who effectively owns the Party. Blair phoned Desmond to invite him over to tea at Downing St. the day the sale went through. Kosher News.

Desmond used his Express Group to undermine the British National Party's election campaign in the recent Local Elections. His Daily Express ran front page anti-BNP "Nazi" slander articles on four consecutive days in the run up to the election, and the day following headlined the front page with "ASYLUM SEEKERS FLEE NAZIS" in an attempt to get as much sympathy for mass immigration as possible. Council workers in Oldham left copies of his Express beside the ballot boxes during the elections to deter voters from voting BNP. Perhaps they should have left copies of "Big Tits" there too, to complete his mockery of our political life. He was joined in his anti-BNP campaign by the rest of the Jewish-controlled "media" as well as by Gerry Gables' (Jewish) Searchlight slander company, which distributed

200,000 anti-BNP slander leaflets to houses in key BNP wards during the election campaign. Also prominently active were the slanderously named "Anti-Nazi League" which is a front group for Jew Tony Cliff's Socialist Workers Party, the main Marxist group in Britain. The BNP managed to gain representation in a few wards, but for now, mass coloured immigration continues under Jewish "Lord" Bessam as Secretary for Immigration and the Barbara Roche (Jewish) as Under-Secretary for Immigration; which is not to mention such Jewish Labour figures as "Lord" Irvine as Attorney General; "Lord" Wolf as Lord Chief Justice; Jack Straw (Jewish) as Home Secretary; the Jew Stephen Lander as Head of MI5; the Jew "Lord" Millet as Chief of Appeal, &c. ad nauseam. At the same time 250, 000 Britons flee the rapidly deteriorating country each year, hastening the transformation from a white to a non-white Britain. Kosher Britain. Almost dead Britain.


News International - Jewish Controlled

Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation owns News International, which owns the Sun, the Times, the Sunday Times and News of the World, all of which have a national circulation. In the six months to October 2001, News of the World had an average daily circulation of 4,042,714 and the Sun of 3,507,176, being the two best selling daily papers in Britain with a joint average daily circulation of over 7.5 million copies, with perhaps twice that many people actually reading them. The Sunday Times had an average weekly circulation of 1,383,683, being the best selling Sunday broadsheet, and the Times a daily circulation of 717,657, being the second best selling daily broadsheet. Altogether, News International distributes over 50 million newspapers a week in Britain. Kosher News.


The Telegraph Group - Zionist Controlled

Another major newspaper group in Britain is the Telegraph Group Limited, which is owned by Hollinger International Inc. In 2000, Hollinger sold its major Canadian newspapers for US$2.1 billion to CanWest Global Communications Corporation, which is owned the Jew Israel Asper, who alone owns over 60% of Canada's newspapers and other media outlets, including 14 metropolitan dailies and 128 local newspapers across that country. However, Hollinger still has dozens of papers in the US. The Chicago Sun Times and the Telegraph newspapers are its main assets. It also owns the Jerusalem Post, the Jerusalem Report, Shaar Lamatchil (Israel), This Week in Israel, the Student Post (Israel), and the "Christian Jerusalem Post". Its Telegraph Group owns the Daily Telegraph, the Sunday Telegraph, the Weekly Telegraph, the Spectator magazine as well as other, lesser media interests, including the Saturday Telegraph, all of which named newspapers have a national circulation. In the six months to October 2001, the Daily Telegraph had a daily circulation of 1,023,510, being the best selling broadsheet in Britain, ahead of Murdoch's Times; and the Sunday Telegraph a had weekly circulation of 812,613, being the second best selling Sunday broadsheet, after Murdoch's Sunday Times. The Spectator magazine had an average weekly sale in the six months to 30-Jun-2001 of 60,776. Altogether, the Telegraph Group distributes about 7 million papers a week. Hollinger International lost £99 million in the third quarter.

The Telegraph Group and Hollinger International belong to the openly Shabbat Goy, the Canadian Conrad Black, Chief Executive Officer of Hollinger. Mrs Black is Barbara Amiel. Conrad Black is a raving Zionist as well as "still the third biggest newspaper magnate in the world" according to the Media Guardian. In the 24 February, 2001 edition of the Spectator, one of his writers dared to criticise "Israel's" treatment of Palestinian civilians, provoking Black to a tactical Zionist rage, to which Lord Gilmour responded as follows: "A few weeks ago, Taki, one of The Spectator's columnists, wrote a wholly innocuous column in which, referring to Israel, he talked about "those nice guys who attack rock- throwing youths with armour-piercing missiles." [] [Black] decided to write an article in The Spectator fatuously accusing Taki of being anti-Semitic, and alleging that what he had written was "almost worthy of Goebbels". [...] Even so, although the pretence that critics of Israel are anti-Semites is a transparent fraud, it has proved an enormously successful blackmailing tool."

Black referred to the Palestinians in his Jerusalem Post in 1993 as "vile and primitive", while Mrs. Black, the Jew Barbara Amiel, likened them to"animals" in the November 7, 2000 edition of their Telegraph. Conrad Black explained that, "If editors disagree with us they should disagree with us when they're no longer in our employ. The buck stops with ownership. I am responsible for meeting the payroll; therefore I will ultimately determine what the papers say and how they're going to be run." Kosher News.


Associated Newspapers - Jewish Controlled.

The "flag ship", national circulation newspaper of Associated Newspapers is the Daily Mail, which had an average daily circulation of 2,477,416 in the six months to October 2001, while the company claims an actual daily readership of 5 million during the week and 6 million on Saturdays. It has a weekly circulation of around 15 million and is Britain's leading mid-market paper. The Managing Director of the Daily Mail is the Jew Guy Zitter. Kosher News.
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Supreme
05-20-2010, 08:30 PM
In your above post, you're bleating on about how the video 'doesnt say anything regarding Hamas throwing Palestinians out of their homes' If there ever was a compulsive manipulative individual on this forum, it has to be you
Spare me such petulant rambling.

The video clearly shows you contradicting the Terrorists you support, that clearly stumped you.
I don't support any terrorists. Honestly, I don't know where you get this nonsense from.
Its there for everyone to see, the terrorist admitted Hamas Freedom Fighters fired ZERO rockets during ceasefire, You tried to sway away from the fact you got caught out by going on and on about how 'It doesn't reflect too well on' (me)
As a historian, I look at everything in both long term and short term causes- for example, the Treaty of Versailles was a long term cause for Hitler's rise to power. The firing of rockets into Israel by Hamas was a long term cause of Israel's offensive. See? I never mentioned anything about short term causes.

You said that THREE times in one message, and you have said it once again in your above message, A typical snake like tactic i would expect from yourself.
Such trivial nonsense.

Stop embarrassing yourself man, you think you're clever with your mind games but in reality you aint
...more trivial nonsense.
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Supreme
05-20-2010, 08:32 PM
By the way, giving a source for the nonsense you've posted above may aid your credibility (although, not by a great deal).
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IslamicRevival
05-20-2010, 08:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Spare me such petulant rambling.



I don't support any terrorists. Honestly, I don't know where you get this nonsense from.


As a historian, I look at everything in both long term and short term causes- for example, the Treaty of Versailles was a long term cause for Hitler's rise to power. The firing of rockets into Israel by Hamas was a long term cause of Israel's offensive. See? I never mentioned anything about short term causes.



Such trivial nonsense.



...more trivial nonsense.
Everything is either a myth or nonsense according to you. Cant be bothered with u anymore, its the same old merry go round every single time
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IslamicRevival
05-20-2010, 08:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
By the way, giving a source for the nonsense you've posted above may aid your credibility (although, not by a great deal).
Refer to post above
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Trumble
05-20-2010, 08:54 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Cyph0n
It seems like you don't get why this argument started in the first place: Hamas does not steal homes.
No, they just knocked some of them down as, according to them, the houses had been built illegally on government land. If the Hamas fanboys could withdraw their fingers from their ears and stop gazing at their shoes they would see that this story is all over the net, not just the evil 'Zionist controlled' BBC, CNN, etc, etc. Were they to actually try engaging their brains they might also realize that knocking down illegally built houses (particularly on government property) is hardly unique to Hamas and, I would venture to suggest, is often done in most 'Western' countries when similar, if rarer, situations arise. The point of this story is not the suggestion that Hamas are more 'evil' in this respect than anybody else, but simply the irony of this in view of previous Israeli actions.
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Cyph0n
05-20-2010, 09:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
No, they just knocked some of them down as, according to them, the houses had been built illegally on government land. If the Hamas fanboys could withdraw their fingers from their ears and stop gazing at their shoes they would see that this story is all over the net, not just the evil 'Zionist controlled' BBC, CNN, etc, etc. Were they to actually try engaging their brains they might also realize that knocking down illegally built houses (particularly on government property) is hardly unique to Hamas and, I would venture to suggest, is often done in most 'Western' countries when similar, if rarer, situations arise. The point of this story is not the suggestion that Hamas are more 'evil' in this respect than anybody else, but simply the irony of this in view of previous Israeli actions.
I couldn't agree more. All I wanted to point out is that there is no solid proof that Hamas actually demolished dozens of homes. Specifically, after checking around 5 different sources, I can't seem to find any photos.
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جوري
05-20-2010, 10:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
The point of this story is not the suggestion that Hamas are more 'evil' in this respect than anybody else, but simply the irony of this in view of previous Israeli actions.
Most Arabs Christians or Muslims and believe it or not a few Jewish Arabs like this guy .
don't recognize Israel to make its actions an object of comparison.. It is enough that it is recognized and supported by the west both morally and financially..

all the best
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aadil77
05-20-2010, 10:09 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Maro0u
are you sure that resturent still exists?

I'm suprised they even have a address for it on their site, gaza is such a tiny little prison I can't imagine it being hard to find the place, so sad
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Ramadhan
05-21-2010, 08:00 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
As a historian, I look at everything in both long term and short term causes- for example, the Treaty of Versailles was a long term cause for Hitler's rise to power. The firing of rockets into Israel by Hamas was a long term cause of Israel's offensive. See? I never mentioned anything about short term causes.
I am sorry,
but I can't help but rolling on the floor laughing while reading the paragraph above, especially the bolded part.
You shoud aim to become a comedian instead of a historian.
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JETforce
05-21-2010, 08:09 AM
What a surprise, some islamic terrorist group terrorizing people and acting like the people they are fighting against? http://www.btselem.org/English/Israe...mas_Report.asp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_OGh...layer_embedded
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Supreme
05-21-2010, 09:50 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
I am sorry,
but I can't help but rolling on the floor laughing while reading the paragraph above, especially the bolded part.
You shoud aim to become a comedian instead of a historian.
Simple things please simple minds...
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Ramadhan
05-21-2010, 10:35 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Simple things please simple minds...
LOL again.
really, are you sure you're not in training to become a clown?
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-21-2010, 09:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
LOL again.
really, are you sure you're not in training to become a clown?
Lol.Clowns these days..
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Supreme
05-21-2010, 09:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
LOL again.
really, are you sure you're not in training to become a clown?
Good, my humerous comments are not falling on deaf ears.
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Ramadhan
05-22-2010, 03:01 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Good, my humerous comments are not falling on deaf ears.
:haha:

Oohh.. stop! You are killing me!

"humerous"...

That is SO genius!

:haha:
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JETforce
05-22-2010, 02:42 PM
Hey, sometimes we all feel a little "humer."
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