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غزالی
05-19-2010, 01:00 PM
Pakistan court orders Facebook ban

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LAHORE: A Pakistani court Wednesday ordered authorities to block Facebook in the country over a page encouraging users to post caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) on the site.

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The ban on Facebook came into effect immediately after the court ruling [GALLO/GETTY]
A Pakistani court has issued a ban on the social networking site Facebook after a user-generated contest page encourged members to post caricatures of Prophet Mohammed.

The Lahore High Court on Wednesday instructed the Pakistani Telecommunications Authority (PTA) to ban the site after the Islamic Lawyers Movement complained that a page called “Draw Mohammed Day” is blasphemous.

Sajjad Chaudhry, the presiding judge, instructed officials with the ministry of telecommunications to submit a written reply to the ban by May 31 when courts will open a detailed hearing on the case. A ban is to be enforced in the meantime.

"We have already blocked the URL link and issued instruction to internet service providers,” Khurram Mehran, a spokesperson for the PTA, said.

About 20 people carried banners outside of courthouse in Lahore, condemning Facebook and praising Prophet Mohammed.

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Lawyers also petitioned the Pakistani government to register a strong protest with Facebook’s owners.

"The competition has hurt the sentiments of the Muslims," lawyer Chaudhry Zulfikar Ali said.

Facebook users in Pakistan, however, told AFP they could still access the site after the ban was imposed on Wednesday.

Officials with the Pakistani government told the court they had already blocked Facebook pages relating to the competition, but the lawyers group argued that no part of a site can be banned unless the entire site is blocked.

Pakistan has 45 million Facebook users, according to lawyers.

The Facebook page for "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" had just over 40,000 supporters while the opposing "Against Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" had more than 53,000.
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Abdul Wahid
05-19-2010, 02:41 PM
A court in Pakistan has ordered the authorities temporarily to block the Facebook social networking site.

The order came when a petition was filed after the site held a competition featuring caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.

The petition, filed by a lawyers' group called the Islamic Lawyers' Movement, said the contest was "blasphemous".

A message on the competition's information page said it was not "trying to slander the average Muslim".

"We simply want to show the extremists that threaten to harm people because of their Muhammad depictions that we're not afraid of them," a statement on the "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" said.

"They can't take away our right to freedom of speech by trying to scare us into silence."

The information section of the page said that it was was set up by a Seattle-based cartoonist, Molly Norris.

It contains caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad and characters from other religions, including Hinduism and Christianity, as well as comments both critical and supportive of Islam.

'Blasphemous'

Correspondents say that publications of similar cartoons in Danish newspapers in 2005 sparked angry protests in Muslim countries - five people were killed in Pakistan.

Already the Pakistani press has reported protests against Facebook on Wednesday by journalists outside parliament in Islamabad, while various Islamic parties are also reported to be organising demonstrations.

Correspondents say that the internet is uncensored in Pakistan but the government monitors content by routing all traffic through a central exchange.

Justice Ejaz Ahmed Chaudhry of the Lahore High Court ordered the department of communications to block the website until 31 May, and to submit a written reply to the petition by that date.

An official told the court that parts of the website that were holding the competition had been blocked, reports the BBC Urdu service's Abdul Haq in Lahore.

But the petitioner said a partial blockade of a website was not possible and that the entire link had to be blocked.

The lawyers' group says Pakistan is an Islamic country and its laws do not allow activities that are "un-Islamic" or "blasphemous".

The judge also directed Pakistan's foreign ministry to raise the issue at international level.

In the past, Pakistan has often blocked access to pornographic sites and sites with anti-Islamic content.

It has deemed such material as offensive to the political and security establishment of the country, says the BBC's M Ilyas Khan in Islamabad.

In 2007, the government banned the YouTube site, allegedly to block material offensive to the government of Pervez Musharraf.

The action led to widespread disruption of access to the site for several hours. The ban was later lifted.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8691406.stm
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Abdul Wahid
05-19-2010, 03:12 PM
Alhumdulillah. This is good.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
05-19-2010, 03:25 PM
I think it would be more effective if people would post dawah related things as much as possible on those pages that are maligning our Prophet(saw). What is one day gonna do? Or is it permanently. Aren't we kinda letting them do it in a way by keeping quiet? We can't delete our FB accounts and so I found out they get more money just by our using :S
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Periwinkle18
05-19-2010, 03:28 PM
its good buh i had really imp things in my facebook inbox now i can't get them :( Anyways everything happens for our own good Alhumdulillah :)
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CosmicPathos
05-19-2010, 03:30 PM
Pakistani courts must ban country's President from running the country first before banning something as idiotic as facebook. There is hope though, at least compared to the sheikhdoms. In the coming decades we would probably see nationalistic Pakistanis colliding with Muslim Pakistanis in one of its greatest civil wars since the 1971 fiasco of East and West Pakistan.
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Periwinkle18
05-19-2010, 03:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist
Pakistani courts must ban country's President from running the country
lolz good one :P
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Rhubarb Tart
05-19-2010, 07:36 PM
Personally I think Muslims should ignore it. It is us (Muslims) that is not meant to draw Mohammed (pbuh). All over the internet negative and offence things have been written about our prophet so this is nothing new.

Even when Mohammed (pbuh) was alive, there were many people that insulted him in front of him and behind his back. And he did nothing but concentrated on our religion. I think our energy should be spent on bettering yourself and our countries (because there is a lot that need sorting).

Also I think them calling Jesus (pbuh) son of god is far more offensive then a picture of Mohamed. He is our prophet too. And they drew his pictures and did offensive joke on him.

The only reason why there are doing this is because the reaction towards the fascist newspapers in 2005. You do know that they reprinted the picture again in Danish newspaper and many countries followed due to our reaction and some violent reactions.

I just think we should ignore them. This is my opinion and I will ignore them. And it is not facebook fault that group of idiots decided to create a group and number of people joined it is? And there are far more offensive groups insulting our religion on facebook.
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Rhubarb Tart
05-19-2010, 07:40 PM
And Pakistani needs to sort out their own country. There are known to have several human right abuse against Muslim and non Muslim that live in their country.
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Asiyah3
05-19-2010, 07:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
Personally I think Muslims should ignore it. It is us (Muslims) that is not meant to draw Mohammed (pbuh). All over the internet negative and offence things have been written about our prophet so this is nothing new.
I agree with this except that we should still strongly condemn it.

Even when Mohammed (pbuh) was alive, there were many people that insulted him in front of him and behind his back. And he did nothing but concentrated on our religion. I think our energy should be spent on bettering yourself and our countries (because there is a lot that need sorting).
I second that.
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aadil77
05-19-2010, 09:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist
Pakistani courts must ban country's President from running the country first before banning something as idiotic as facebook. There is hope though, at least compared to the sheikhdoms. In the coming decades we would probably see nationalistic Pakistanis colliding with Muslim Pakistanis in one of its greatest civil wars since the 1971 fiasco of East and West Pakistan.
I was gonna say that, they should worry more about banning US terrorist forces from carrying out drone attacks across pakistan than just some website
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IslamicRevival
05-19-2010, 09:36 PM
A court in Pakistan has ordered the authorities temporarily to block the Facebook social networking site.

How on earth is 'temporarily deactivating your Facebook account' going to help? It really is pathetic to be quite frank
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Periwinkle18
05-20-2010, 08:46 AM
i know i mean its stupid why did they ban it in the first place then :P i heard they're going to lift the ban on the 31st
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Abu Zainab
05-20-2010, 08:56 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
Personally I think Muslims should ignore it. It is us (Muslims) that is not meant to draw Mohammed (pbuh). All over the internet negative and offence things have been written about our prophet so this is nothing new.

Even when Mohammed (pbuh) was alive, there were many people that insulted him in front of him and behind his back. And he did nothing but concentrated on our religion. I think our energy should be spent on bettering yourself and our countries (because there is a lot that need sorting).

Also I think them calling Jesus (pbuh) son of god is far more offensive then a picture of Mohamed. He is our prophet too. And they drew his pictures and did offensive joke on him.

The only reason why there are doing this is because the reaction towards the fascist newspapers in 2005. You do know that they reprinted the picture again in Danish newspaper and many countries followed due to our reaction and some violent reactions.

I just think we should ignore them. This is my opinion and I will ignore them. And it is not facebook fault that group of idiots decided to create a group and number of people joined it is? And there are far more offensive groups insulting our religion on facebook.
Totally agree...those are sick people...just ignore them. All they want is to spread hatred and create violence....so that later on they can say "see !! we told you......"
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ژاله
05-20-2010, 10:42 AM
youtube and wikipedia banned as well. i have no problem with facebook getting banned, but youtube and wikipedia?:hmm:
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cat eyes
05-20-2010, 10:50 AM
wow! go pakistan! the only people whom are taken action. i cant believe that, this is to much. i was beginning to think i had wrong idea about facbook but now after reading that i dont know what to think. no body cares about respecting other religions anymore. where is the respect gone?? im beginning to hate alot of sites. i dont want to support any site that slanders my religion
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غزالی
05-20-2010, 10:57 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Malaak
youtube and wikipedia banned as well. i have no problem with facebook getting banned, but youtube and wikipedia?:hmm:
the action was taken after the authority determined that some sacrilegious caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad were transferred from Facebook to YouTube and wikipedia.
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Tilmeez
05-20-2010, 10:59 AM
Same with youtube!

Weldone Pakistan!! I'm proud of you.

This is a very tiny step but its far better than doning nothing. Full Stop.
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ژاله
05-20-2010, 11:04 AM
^ i agree.
thanks for explanation bro hafizsaad.
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غزالی
05-20-2010, 12:44 PM
Facebook Last 2 Days Losses Reach Up to 2 Billions €, If it Will Continue For More 7 Day iT would Reach to €40 Billion Euro

Facebook Revenue From Pakistan

Facebook Earning $11000000000
Facebook Users 4609,221,00
Per User Earning $2.9
Pakistani Users 2349620
Total Revenue From Us $ 5,631,281,29= 461,765,066 Pkr

Facebook Drawn Muhammad (S.W.A) Day, Page Hacked By Turkish Muslim Hackers.

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Tilmeez
05-20-2010, 01:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by hafizsaad
Facebook Last 2 Days Losses Reach Up to 2 Billions €, BBC News If it Will Continue For More 7 Day iT would Reach to €40 Billion Euro

Facebook Drawn Muhammad (S.W.A) Day, Page Hacked By Turkish Muslim Hackers.

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Pls mention the source for above states or otherwise I would request you to edit the post.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
05-20-2010, 01:42 PM
It's only temporary, you do know that right??
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غزالی
05-20-2010, 03:12 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Tilmeez
Pls mention the source for above states or otherwise I would request you to edit the post.
Brother i have receive this message on mail from my a friend. i have contacted him for source. he has replied me that it was said on bbc radio news.
anyhow i have edited the post.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
05-20-2010, 03:51 PM
I have seen that page that was hacked lol. Crazy.
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JETforce
05-20-2010, 03:53 PM
It seems like the typical censorship you usually find in places like Pakistan. I believe a few years ago they blocked YouTube for awhile because it hosted videos critical of their president what's his name. It doesn't even seem like they'll keep their ban on facebook permanent.
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waji
05-20-2010, 06:20 PM
Well facebook ban was due to contest on facebook
but Youtube ban is for alot of reasons one of them is Political
yes Political reasons alot abusing videos of some Political figures were made and uploaded on Youtube
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waji
05-21-2010, 06:43 AM
:sl:

more news from Pakistan as Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) blocked more sites
including
Youtube
flickr
wikipedia

and last night i found out that google was also banned
but it was temporary and now its opened
but Those sites are still blocked
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muslimfirst
05-22-2010, 01:10 PM

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Güven
05-22-2010, 01:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by hafizsaad

Facebook Drawn Muhammad (S.W.A) Day, Page Hacked By Turkish Muslim Hackers.
lol I don't know how true the others are but I sure do believe this! Well done. :D
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Innocent Soul
05-22-2010, 01:28 PM
Assalamualaikum

Totally agree...those are sick people...just ignore them. All they want is to spread hatred and create violence....so that later on they can say "see !! we told you......"
I too think it is good to ignore.:hmm:
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islamirama
05-22-2010, 10:38 PM

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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
05-23-2010, 03:13 AM
^^Wow das crazy! shuld try it.
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غزالی
05-23-2010, 05:36 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
Personally I think Muslims should ignore it. It is us (Muslims) that is not meant to draw Mohammed (pbuh). All over the internet negative and offence things have been written about our prophet so this is nothing new.

Even when Mohammed (pbuh) was alive, there were many people that insulted him in front of him and behind his back. And he did nothing but concentrated on our religion. I think our energy should be spent on bettering yourself and our countries (because there is a lot that need sorting).

Also I think them calling Jesus (pbuh) son of god is far more offensive then a picture of Mohamed. He is our prophet too. And they drew his pictures and did offensive joke on him.

The only reason why there are doing this is because the reaction towards the fascist newspapers in 2005. You do know that they reprinted the picture again in Danish newspaper and many countries followed due to our reaction and some violent reactions.

I just think we should ignore them. This is my opinion and I will ignore them. And it is not facebook fault that group of idiots decided to create a group and number of people joined it is? And there are far more offensive groups insulting our religion on facebook.
format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
And Pakistani needs to sort out their own country. There are known to have several human right abuse against Muslim and non Muslim that live in their country.
format_quote Originally Posted by Safiya 1
Assalamualaikum

I too think it is good to ignore.:hmm:
I am wondering how you people are giving you personal comments on this sensitive matter of our Prophet s.a.w Dignity. would you also bear or permit a person, who without any reason, start distributing poster or fake pictures of your Pious Father & mother, showing they are doing adultery or without clothes pictures and that person is also going to place these picture on big hoarding in Your city and infront of your door . what will you do with that person, Will you also ignore him ?.
I am sorry, my aim is not to offend any one. just to realize the situation.

Hadith - Bukhari 1:13, Narrated Abu Huraira
Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is, none of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father and his children."

Insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is one of the worst of forbidden actions, and it constitutes kufr and apostasy from Islam, according to scholarly consensus, whether done seriously or in jest. The one who does that is to be executed even if he repents and whether he is a Muslim or a kaafir. If he repents sincerely and regrets what he has done, this repentance will benefit him on the Day of Resurrection and Allaah will forgive him.

If it is said, “Can we not forgive him, because during his lifetime the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forgave many of those who had insulted him and he did not execute them?” The answer is:

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sometimes chose to forgive those who had insulted him, and sometimes he ordered that they should be executed, if that served a greater purpose. But now his forgiveness is impossible because he is dead, so the execution of the one who insults him remains the right of Allaah, His Messenger and the believers, and the one who deserves to be executed cannot be let off, so the punishment must be carried out.

Ibn Tamayyah, Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/438


The scholars are unanimously agreed that a Muslim who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) becomes a kaafir and an apostate who is to be executed. This consensus was narrated by more than one of the scholars, such as Imaam Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh, Ibn al-Mundhir, al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad, al-Khattaabi and others. Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/13-16

This ruling is indicated by the Qur’aan and Sunnah.

In the Qur’aan it says (interpretation of the meaning):

“The hypocrites fear lest a Soorah (chapter of the Qur’aan) should be revealed about them, showing them what is in their hearts. Say: ‘(Go ahead and) mock! But certainly Allaah will bring to light all that you fear.’

If you ask them (about this), they declare: ‘We were only talking idly and joking.’ Say: ‘Was it at Allaah, and His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger that you were mocking?’

Make no excuse; you disbelieved after you had believed”

[al-Tawbah 9:64-66]

This verse clearly states that mocking Allaah, His verses and His Messenger constitutes kufr, so that applies even more so to insulting. The verse also indicates that whoever belittles the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is also a kaafir, whether he was serious or joking.

With regard to the Sunnah, Abu Dawood (4362) narrated from ‘Ali that a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she died, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ruled that no blood money was due in this case.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Saarim al-Maslool (1/162): This hadeeth is jayyid, and there is a corroborating report in the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas.

And Allaah knows best. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and all his family and companions.
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جوري
05-23-2010, 06:10 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by JETforce
It seems like the typical censorship you usually find in places like Pakistan. I believe a few years ago they blocked YouTube for awhile because it hosted videos critical of their president what's his name. It doesn't even seem like they'll keep their ban on facebook permanent.
It seems like the typical manure peddled by degenerates who are unrestrained by common decency or morality.. I think manure gets along well with manure but there is no reason to subject benevolence to frank maleficence under some embellished guise!

It doesn't seem like the guise will last for long, things built upon crap usually fall apart sooner or later!

all the best
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Skavau
05-23-2010, 10:29 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama

I find it hard to believe that Muslims make up 47.5% of Facebook's profit. Where are the direct sources for that? I'm not finding anything in the unspecified sources listed.
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Rhubarb Tart
05-23-2010, 10:38 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by hafizsaad
I am wondering how you people are giving you personal comments on this sensitive matter of our Prophet s.a.w Dignity. would you also bear or permit a person, who without any reason, start distributing poster or fake pictures of your Pious Father & mother, showing they are doing adultery or without clothes pictures and that person is also going to place these picture on big hoarding in Your city and infront of your door . what will you do with that person, Will you also ignore him ?.
I am sorry, my aim is not to offend any one. just to realize the situation.

Hadith - Bukhari 1:13, Narrated Abu Huraira
Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is, none of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father and his children."

Insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is one of the worst of forbidden actions, and it constitutes kufr and apostasy from Islam, according to scholarly consensus, whether done seriously or in jest. The one who does that is to be executed even if he repents and whether he is a Muslim or a kaafir. If he repents sincerely and regrets what he has done, this repentance will benefit him on the Day of Resurrection and Allaah will forgive him.

If it is said, “Can we not forgive him, because during his lifetime the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forgave many of those who had insulted him and he did not execute them?” The answer is:

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sometimes chose to forgive those who had insulted him, and sometimes he ordered that they should be executed, if that served a greater purpose. But now his forgiveness is impossible because he is dead, so the execution of the one who insults him remains the right of Allaah, His Messenger and the believers, and the one who deserves to be executed cannot be let off, so the punishment must be carried out.

Ibn Tamayyah, Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/438


The scholars are unanimously agreed that a Muslim who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) becomes a kaafir and an apostate who is to be executed. This consensus was narrated by more than one of the scholars, such as Imaam Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh, Ibn al-Mundhir, al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad, al-Khattaabi and others. Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/13-16

This ruling is indicated by the Qur’aan and Sunnah.

In the Qur’aan it says (interpretation of the meaning):

“The hypocrites fear lest a Soorah (chapter of the Qur’aan) should be revealed about them, showing them what is in their hearts. Say: ‘(Go ahead and) mock! But certainly Allaah will bring to light all that you fear.’

If you ask them (about this), they declare: ‘We were only talking idly and joking.’ Say: ‘Was it at Allaah, and His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger that you were mocking?’

Make no excuse; you disbelieved after you had believed”

[al-Tawbah 9:64-66]

This verse clearly states that mocking Allaah, His verses and His Messenger constitutes kufr, so that applies even more so to insulting. The verse also indicates that whoever belittles the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is also a kaafir, whether he was serious or joking.

With regard to the Sunnah, Abu Dawood (4362) narrated from ‘Ali that a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she died, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ruled that no blood money was due in this case.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Saarim al-Maslool (1/162): This hadeeth is jayyid, and there is a corroborating report in the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas.

And Allaah knows best. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and all his family and companions.
We are not talking about “Muslims” insulting our prophet but it is non Muslims! If we scream and shout what is it going to achieve us? We tried that with the newspaper instead all newspaper around the world decided to print the picture with exception of few. The Quran says it is forbidden for us to draw him (pbuh).
Do you think is okay for Muslims to sink low and be violent over such things? Over 100 people died during protest all over the world. Has it stop them insulting our prophet? No! They just continued. They insult Jesus by calling him the son of God and draw but yet I don’t hear Muslims making such noise about it?
Nothing we do will stop them. We can scream and shout as much as we want, they don’t believe in our Prophet and that is also an insult on us.
Just look how low some Muslims went over this incident: there is a facebook group called Everybody draw Holocaust day (30 June 2010) created by Muslims. Disgusting...and you are telling me this is the way to go?

The best solution is to ignore them and will eventually be bored. If someone was to draw my mother and I would still ignore them.
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Rhubarb Tart
05-23-2010, 10:45 AM
And Pakistani needs to sort out their own country. There are known to have several human right abuse against Muslim and non Muslim that live in their country.

That quote still stands. They are bit of hypocrites and the non Muslims will point this out. How can they talk about a drawing of a picture but think it completely okay to treat their own citizen the way they do. Do you think Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) himself would congratulate them on the way they run their own country?
Also what is your solution to this problem (the drawing day)?
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cat eyes
05-23-2010, 02:19 PM
the best thing muslims can do is stop supporting any site that says anything bad about our prophet (saw) and abuse him that is if the site owners dont do anything about it then muslims should think twice about using such a site. its very sad to see muslims very laid back about the situation. i just want to say WAKE UP. we will be asked about every single thing on the day of judgment.
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brotherubaid
05-23-2010, 02:51 PM
Alhumdolillah im not even on facebook n never was , even aftre many mates n friends asked me to join it , just didnt see no good coming out o fit , social networking! thank u i dont neeed to, im good.
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Ramadhan
05-23-2010, 03:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Skavau
I find it hard to believe that Muslims make up 47.5% of Facebook's profit. Where are the direct sources for that? I'm not finding anything in the unspecified sources listed.
I agree.
The numbers look very dodgy.
I am all for boycotting Facebook and I did my share, but we should not spread lies.
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cat eyes
05-23-2010, 03:39 PM
i would believe the number absolutely every muslim girl i know use face book.. sure its the most popular site
muslims have loads of time on there hands i think to use it thats y lol
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Skavau
05-23-2010, 03:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by cat eyes
i would believe the number absolutely every muslim girl i know use face book.. sure its the most popular site
muslims have loads of time on there hands i think to use it thats y lol
Muslims make up 20% of the world, and by global facebook statistics europe, oceania and north america combined probably compose well over half of the population of Facebook (where Muslims are a minority).
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-23-2010, 03:52 PM
Time to delete my fb permanently!!..havent been on there for ages! Alhamdulillah I decided to delete it permanetly no matter what..
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islamirama
05-23-2010, 05:42 PM
Pakistan blocks YouTube over “blasphemous” material

20 May, 2010

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has blocked the popular video sharing website YouTube indefinitely in a bid to contain “blasphemous” material, officials said on Thursday.

The blockade came hours after the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) directed Internet service providers to stop access to social network site Facebook indefinitely on Wednesday because of an online competition to draw the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).

Any representation of the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is deemed un-Islamic and blasphemous by Muslims.

Wahaj-us-Siraj, the CEO of Nayatel, an Internet service provider, said PTA issued an order late on Wednesday seeking an “immediate” block of YouTube.

“It was a serious instruction as they wanted us to do it quickly and let them know after that,” he told Reuters.

YouTube was also blocked in the Muslim country in 2007 for about a day for what it called un-Islamic videos.

PTA spokesman, Khurram Ali Mehran, said the action was taken after the authority determined that content considered blasphemous by devout Muslims was being posted on the website.

“Before shutting down (YouTube), we did try just to block particular URLs or links, and access to 450 links on the Internet were stopped, but the blasphemous content kept appearing so we ordered a total shut down,” he said.

He regretted that the administrators at the Facebook and YouTube had not taken the content off despite Pakistan's protests.

“Their attitude was in contravention to international resolutions and their own policies advertised on the Web for the general public,” Mehran said.

The PTA issued a statement Thursday saying, “PTA would welcome the concerned authorities of Facebook and YouTube to contact the PTA for resolving the issue at the earliest which ensures religious harmony and respect.”

The PTA decision to block all of Facebook also cut Pakistanis off from groups and pages dedicated to opposing the competition, which have thousands more supporters than the competition does.

Along with the ban, some popular websites, including Wikipedia and Flickr, have been inaccessible in Pakistan since Wednesday night. But the spokesman said it happened purely due to a technical reason and no orders were passed against them.

He said the authority was monitoring other websites as well.

“BLACKBERRY SERVICES”

Siraj said the blocking of the two websites would cut up to a quarter of total Internet traffic in Pakistan.

“It'll have an impact on the overall Internet traffic as they eat up 20 to 25 per cent of the country's total 65 giga-bytes traffic,” he said.

After the PTA's directives against Facebook and YouTube, Pakistani mobile companies blocked all Blackberry services on Wednesday night but restored services used by non-corporate users later on Thursday.

“We have intimated to the Blackberry service administrators in Canada to block them and once it's done, the service will be restored fully,” said Farhan Butt, an official at Pakistan's biggest cellular company, Mobilink.

The closure of services worried Blackberry users.

“The biggest concern for us ... is the delay in decision making,” said Zahid Sheikh, head of information technology department at National Foods Limited in Karachi city.

“Our top officials and senior management are not always in office. They do travel and work from remote locations, and with this shut down, they can't access emails.”

Publications of similar cartoons in Danish newspapers in 2005 sparked deadly protests in Muslim countries. Around 50 people were killed during violent protests in Muslim countries in 2006 over the cartoons, five of them in Pakistan.

1 - http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/03-pakistan-blocks-youtube-over-blasphemous-material-ss-01
2 - http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64J2I920100520
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When you see that 25% of the country's internet traffic was on these sites, you realize how many people were wasting time. This will help them to do something else with their time, hopefully something productive. Shame on all the other so called Muslim countries for allowing such sites that attack Islam.


Facebook Menace - What we should do

The issue of Facebook and their latest antics against our Beloved Muhammad sallallāhu ῾alayhi wasallam has angered and frustrated the Muslim Ummah. The reaction of the Muslim Ummah in the face of such blasphemy is appreciated. This malevolence is not foreign to Islam and the Muslims. During the time of our beloved Muhammad sallallāhu ῾alayhi wasallam, individuals like Ka’ab Bin Ashraf , Abu Lahab, his wife and others were also guilty of defaming our Prophet sallallāhu ῾alayhi wasallam. Their fate is known to all.

Our responsibility as Muslims to our beloved Muhammad sallallāhu ῾alayhi wasallam is as follows:

1.To delete Facebook accounts and any other media that deems it acceptable to disrespect our beloved Rasoolullah sallallāhu ῾alayhi wasallam and never to reactivate them again.
2.To inform others of the above as well.
3. Deleting facebook is one form of expressing our love for Rasoolullah sallallāhu ῾alayhi wasallam. However, objective love of Rasoolullah sallallāhu ῾alayhi wasallam is to inculcate his teachings in our life.
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غزالی
05-24-2010, 03:35 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
We are not talking about “Muslims” insulting our prophet but it is non Muslims! If we scream and shout what is it going to achieve us? We tried that with the newspaper instead all newspaper around the world decided to print the picture with exception of few. The Quran says it is forbidden for us to draw him (pbuh).
Do you think is okay for Muslims to sink low and be violent over such things? Over 100 people died during protest all over the world. Has it stop them insulting our prophet? No! They just continued. They insult Jesus by calling him the son of God and draw but yet I don’t hear Muslims making such noise about it?
Nothing we do will stop them. We can scream and shout as much as we want, they don’t believe in our Prophet and that is also an insult on us.
Just look how low some Muslims went over this incident: there is a facebook group called Everybody draw Holocaust day (30 June 2010) created by Muslims. Disgusting...and you are telling me this is the way to go?

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you could not understand My post. where i have said about muslim insulting prophets s.a.w .
what about our boycott and protest, you can't denied it's importance. you want also all of us to be hypocrites and we see our beloved prophet is going to be badly insult by jews, cristian and we all the time ignore it, then what the excuse we will have on the day of judgement infront of our Prophet s.a.w. Now Muslimah it's not fair. Our Belief completion required the love of our Prophet more than anythings. It's ok that there should be no Voilence, that we know this voilence is due to ignorance not due to peaceful protest or boycott and this voilence created by some opposite parties to restrict all that.
what the boycott has resulted every time you have seen, how they have shamely excused. Now why we could not get complete result of this boycott ? this is due to difference in Ummah. the Complete Boycott can stop these son of swines from doing these insult again and Now due to combined protest of ummah agianst these events, we can demand for international ruling on this insult of Scare Personality or beloved personalities of any religion. That there should be no insult to the scare personalities which related to other religion and which have no link with you, your freedom of speech should limited to you and your family, Offending other without any reason should be stopped through law.
Don't compare muslims with other shameless peoples jews who insults their Prophets. This is because they have made fun of their religion. they have no authenticity of their religion. Islam is pure and here every thing is natural as revealed. we have clear instruction for all things. don't teaches us new techniques, new ways. i have given in my last post what our religion teaching for our prophet Defense and dignity.
I don't say boycott is the only way to stop, we can use many other strategies throgh proper plainings.
You have arises a good point of Holocaust. Can you ask from those jews why they have restricted to speak on this event. why they can't bear person openly speaking on this events.

The best solution is to ignore them and will eventually be bored. If someone was to draw my mother and I would still ignore them.
Good they will be bored making insult again and again.
I am sorry, i think my that Question was not for liberal and shameless person, who don't have any kind of importance of his mother even. That Peoples are going to insult her badly and making without clothes picture of his mother and showing with unknown people doing adultery on the big hoarding in the whole city and he is just ignoring. Shame on these kind of peoples.

Sorry sister your liberal and silly points have no weight and importance for us.

WE CAN GIVE OUR ALL THINGS EVEN OUR LIFE FOR THE DEFENSE & DIGNITY OF OUR PROPHET (PBUH).
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غزالی
05-24-2010, 06:43 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
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When you see that 25% of the country's internet traffic was on these sites, you realize how many people were wasting time. This will help them to do something else with their time, hopefully something productive. Shame on all the other so called Muslim countries for allowing such sites that attack Islam.

Facebook Menace - What we should do

The issue of Facebook and their latest antics against our Beloved Muhammad sallallāhu ῾alayhi wasallam has angered and frustrated the Muslim Ummah. The reaction of the Muslim Ummah in the face of such blasphemy is appreciated. This malevolence is not foreign to Islam and the Muslims. During the time of our beloved Muhammad sallallāhu ῾alayhi wasallam, individuals like Ka’ab Bin Ashraf , Abu Lahab, his wife and others were also guilty of defaming our Prophet sallallāhu ῾alayhi wasallam. Their fate is known to all.

Our responsibility as Muslims to our beloved Muhammad sallallāhu ῾alayhi wasallam is as follows:

1.To delete Facebook accounts and any other media that deems it acceptable to disrespect our beloved Rasoolullah sallallāhu ῾alayhi wasallam and never to reactivate them again.
2.To inform others of the above as well.
3. Deleting facebook is one form of expressing our love for Rasoolullah sallallāhu ῾alayhi wasallam. However, objective love of Rasoolullah sallallāhu ῾alayhi wasallam is to inculcate his teachings in our life.
Well Said.
Jazak Allah Khair
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Rhubarb Tart
05-25-2010, 12:28 AM
Believe me you can protest all you like, it isn’t going to stop them. These people who are insulting our prophet are not necessarily Christians and Jews. There are mainly atheist you think they have every right to insult all religions. And you think “Draw Mohammed (pbuh)” group is insulting? You haven’t seen anything yet. Hence: why I deactivated my account 6 months ago.

*The Complete Boycott can stop these son of swines from doing these insult again and Now due to combined protest of ummah against these events, we can demand for international ruling on this insult of Scare Personality or beloved personalities of any religion.*

I don’t think this will ever happen considering most of these countries that permit insult to our prophet and their own prophets are secular not a religious state.

*That there should be no insult to the scare personalities which related to other religion and which have no link with you, your freedom of speech should limited to you and your family, Offending other without any reason should be stopped through law.*


I find this statement insulting. What are you suggesting, because I don’t necessarily agree with you I must have joined the stupid group and drew Mohammed (pbuh) all in the name of free speech. Get you facts straight pal.


*I don't say boycott is the only way to stop, we can use many other strategies throgh proper plainings.*

Boycotting, strategies and even violence would not stop bigots from drawing or insulting Islam. They are clearly bigots and have no intention to change.

* You have arises a good point of Holocaust. Can you ask from those jews why they have restricted to speak on this event. why they can't bear person openly speaking on this events.*

It doesn’t matter; using that as so called revenge against the creator (who are not Jews btw) and its followers of that group is childless and clearly not Islamic behaviour. If you think this is the way to go then go for it.

*I am sorry, I think my that Question was not for liberal and shameless person, who don't have any kind of importance of his mother even. That Peoples are going to insult her badly and making without clothes picture of his mother and showing with unknown people doing adultery on the big hoarding in the whole city and he is just ignoring. Shame on these kind of peoples.*

You are so arrogant and childless. Firstly, if someone was to draw a picture of my mother, they do so to get a reaction. Paying attention to idiots gives them want they wanted in the first place. These people who are so against are bigots and stuck in their ways. You know absolutely nothing about me to even call me a liberal. Your silly judgement and to say I don’t care about my mother is uncalled for ....Go to hell.
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غزالی
05-25-2010, 03:18 AM
Your thought and thinking style is very strange.
Your ideas have no support from Sunnah and life of sahaba r.a. keep on ignoring Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) big insult .
My post and messages are clear And i have also given the reference From sunnah and shariah ruling on this topic.
Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
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Beardo
05-25-2010, 04:32 AM
So it's true. There was a ban on facebook in pakistan. Pretty sad, considering Pakistan gives Facebook a load of hits. I heard there's another initiative going on by non-Muslims to delete facebook in unison on May 31st.
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Rhubarb Tart
05-25-2010, 06:25 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by hafizsaad
Your thought and thinking style is very strange.
Your ideas have no support from Sunnah and life of sahaba r.a. keep on ignoring Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) big insult .
My post and messages are clear And i have also given the reference From sunnah and shariah ruling on this topic.
Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.


Like I have you keep protesting against bigots. And they are bigots for a reason. I am simply turning the other cheek and making more use of my time with people that can change and need help. Like I said, you will achieve absolutely nothing and the idea of a law would be nice but it isn’t going to happen in these “secular” countries unless you can make a direct obvious link between these insults to racial hatred and violence towards muslims. If you can, maybe. And like I said you think this is the greatest insult in facebook against our religion? lol, they have insulted Allah (swt) himself. Facebook is just a place for hate towards all people not just muslims (Jews, black, Asian etc) but you continue...
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islamirama
05-26-2010, 01:28 AM
Ok you two kids, behave now. Regardless of what reason anyone has Deleting facebook is one form of expressing our love for Rasoolullah sallallāhu ῾alayhi wasallam, and whether the kuffars there delete the page or not (which they didn't even at protest of pakistan), we should concern ourselves with what is important to us Which in this case is not to support the kuffars in their ways by remaining to be part of them (having FB account). Remember the hadith stating to stop the evil with your hand, if you can't than with your tongue, if you can then at least detest it in your heart and that is the weakest of emaan. It's our duty to abandon the kuffars and their sites whether it affects them or not, its a matter of principle. You don't go befriending a person who is cursing your parents out, so what about someone insulting the prophet?


Boycotting that site on principle alone should be enough. But if you want to look at it on monetary value. Facebook makes $2.39 per user visiting their site and having an account, that's how much you are giving to facebook to insult your prophet. Pakistan's internet traffic composed of 25% was going to facebook, so for example let's just say out of the 200+ millions of Pakistanis, even if only 50 million were visiting facebook that's 50 million times 2.39 = $119.5 million dollars facebook is making of Pakistanis alone. What about rest of the Muslims on there? So you see you are supporting the enemies of Allah and His Messenger by having your account there, and well lets just I would rather not be raised as one of them (kuffars) on Judgment Day nor as a supporter of them.

And since Facebook itself refused to do anything at protest of a nation (Pakistan) shows their position on this and I would venture to say it may even be obligatory for us to not have anything to do with that site.



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KAding
05-26-2010, 12:27 PM
Perhaps Muslims would be better off having their own separated Internet ('Muslimnet' or something). Because what is on websites world wide is just a reflection of world wide opinion. It is inevitable that that will include a lot of anti-Islamic attitudes.
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Beardo
05-26-2010, 12:29 PM
^ These type of sites will always have some form of un-Islamic connotations. A MuslimNet would be just another matrimonial website type thing.
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waji
05-26-2010, 08:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
Boycotting that site on principle alone should be enough. But if you want to look at it on monetary value. Facebook makes $2.39 per user visiting their site and having an account, that's how much you are giving to facebook to insult your prophet. Pakistan's internet traffic composed of 25% was going to facebook, so for example let's just say out of the 200+ millions of Pakistanis, even if only 50 million were visiting facebook that's 50 million times 2.39 = $119.5 million dollars facebook is making of Pakistanis alone. What about rest of the Muslims on there? So you see you are supporting the enemies of Allah and His Messenger by having your account there, and well lets just I would rather not be raised as one of them (kuffars) on Judgment Day nor as a supporter of them.
You are very poor in numbers
Actually total population of Pakistan is around 170 million
the internet users are around 50 million
facebook users are 2.3 million

after usa the second most users are from UK and they are around 27 million
so i don't know from where you got these stats
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islamirama
05-27-2010, 02:30 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
Perhaps Muslims would be better off having their own separated Internet ('Muslimnet' or something). Because what is on websites world wide is just a reflection of world wide opinion. It is inevitable that that will include a lot of anti-Islamic attitudes.
All this anti-islam, intolerant, islamphobe sites prove is that the bigots have learned to use the computer and are putting it to use so spread their vile filth. Don't expect us to sit aside and watch this, every action has a reaction and we will not let bigots have their way. The christains may be dead in their faith and let others say whatever BS they want about their religion, we still have faith in our hearts and zealous to stand for our religion.
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islamirama
05-27-2010, 02:34 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by waji
You are very poor in numbers
Actually total population of Pakistan is around 170 million
the internet users are around 50 million
facebook users are 2.3 million

after usa the second most users are from UK and they are around 27 million
so i don't know from where you got these stats

And who owns that website? Even if its population is 170 million and internet users around 50 million, there is no way out of those 50 million users, only 2.3 million are on facebook. If 25% of all of pakistan's internet traffic is going to facebook, any one with "poor math" skills can tell you that's more than 2.3 million users.
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CosmicPathos
05-27-2010, 02:55 AM
I do agree that many people in Pakistan use facebook. Almost all of my cousins are on it? Except those who live in villages. But again, most of Pakistan's population lives poor lives, facebook would be the least of their concerns.
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MSalman
05-27-2010, 05:09 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
Personally I think Muslims should ignore it.
subhaanAllah! Would you ignore if someone was insulting your mother!? Would abu Bakr and Umar (radiAllahu anhuma) ignore someone insulting habib of Allah (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam)? Did Allah Azza wa Jal ignore it!? Allhamdulillah, we're Muslims not Christians or any other religious followers. If we ignore today then they will do more tomorrow and so on and so on. Allhamdulillah, the Muslim ummah has defended any allegations or insults thrown at our Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) and we will continue to do so. Just because there is load of negative stuff on the Internet about our Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) doesn't mean we sit idle and do nothing and let that negative stuff pile on.


format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
Even when Mohammed (pbuh) was alive, there were many people that insulted him in front of him and behind his back. And he did nothing but concentrated on our religion. I think our energy should be spent on bettering yourself and our countries (because there is a lot that need sorting).
And defending him (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) is not concentrating on religion? It is an obligation upon us to defend his honor (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam). When he (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) was alive, Allah Azza wa Jal defended his Prophet and so did the companions of Allah's Messenger (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam). We can't let bunch of stupid people walk all over us.

May Allah guide us all and destroy those kuffaar, ameen
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-27-2010, 05:34 AM
Salamu alaykum Wa rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh...

I just want to clear something out. For us muslims, there should be respect among eachother even if we disagree with one another. No matter what, We are brothers And Sisters for sake of Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala. I was just reading some previous posts on this thread, and I see that A muslim said "Go to Hell" to another Muslim. This should not be tolerated at any cost. I am sure there are some non muslims enjoying over these arguements we are having. My advice is that we should cooperate with eachother and debate nicely. Personally, I think what Pakistan did was a good move even if their government is corrupt and treat their citizens bad.Rather, we should make dua if We cannot do anything by action to change the government.

Wallahi, I never knew that Facebook makes money from each user.Also, if a website that allows events like "Draw Muhammad Day" and does not condemn blasphemy we should not support it. May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon Rasoolillah(Sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and all the Prophets of Islam. Please forgive me for anything. May Allah unite us and forgive us all. Ameen.
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Ramadhan
05-27-2010, 08:19 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
And who owns that website? Even if its population is 170 million and internet users around 50 million, there is no way out of those 50 million users, only 2.3 million are on facebook. If 25% of all of pakistan's internet traffic is going to facebook, any one with "poor math" skills can tell you that's more than 2.3 million users.
According to https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/pk.html, the number of internet users in Pakistan is 18.5 millions (2008).

as of the so called "internet traffic", it does not necessarily mean the number of users, it could mean frequency, bandwith, length of time etc. And Facebook users normally spend much more bandwith + time than any other sites.

I am all for boycotting Facebook, but we should not embellish truth to achieve our aim.
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waji
05-27-2010, 02:03 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
And who owns that website? Even if its population is 170 million and internet users around 50 million, there is no way out of those 50 million users, only 2.3 million are on facebook. If 25% of all of pakistan's internet traffic is going to facebook, any one with "poor math" skills can tell you that's more than 2.3 million users.
Traffic doesn't represent the number of users
sorry i was wrong about the internet users

format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
According to https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/pk.html, the number of internet users in Pakistan is 18.5 millions (2008).

as of the so called "internet traffic", it does not necessarily mean the number of users, it could mean frequency, bandwith, length of time etc. And Facebook users normally spend much more bandwith + time than any other sites.

I am all for boycotting Facebook, but we should not embellish truth to achieve our aim.
From where you are giving the stats CIA
i don't believe that these are the exact figures of internet users of Pakistan
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Rhubarb Tart
05-27-2010, 06:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by iThousand
Salamu alaykum Wa rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh...

I just want to clear something out. For us muslims, there should be respect among eachother even if we disagree with one another. No matter what, We are brothers And Sisters for sake of Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala. I was just reading some previous posts on this thread, and I see that A muslim said "Go to Hell" to another Muslim. This should not be tolerated at any cost. I am sure there are some non muslims enjoying over these arguements we are having. My advice is that we should cooperate with eachother and debate nicely. Personally, I think what Pakistan did was a good move even if their government is corrupt and treat their citizens bad.Rather, we should make dua if We cannot do anything by action to change the government.

Wallahi, I never knew that Facebook makes money from each user.Also, if a website that allows events like "Draw Muhammad Day" and does not condemn blasphemy we should not support it. May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon Rasoolillah(Sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and all the Prophets of Islam. Please forgive me for anything. May Allah unite us and forgive us all. Ameen.
Obviously you seem to ignore the degrading, patronising and insulting comments he posted to me. Maybe I should highlight the judgement comments he made towards me and you should take that into account. Nevertheless, “go to hell” was wrong.

*That there should be no insult to the scare personalities which related to other religion and which have no link with you, your freedom of speech should limited to you and your family, Offending other without any reason should be stopped through law.*

*I am sorry, I think my that Question was not for liberal and shameless person, who don't have any kind of importance of his mother even. That Peoples are going to insult her badly and making without clothes picture of his mother and showing with unknown people doing adultery on the big hoarding in the whole city and he is just ignoring. Shame on these kind of peoples.*
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Rhubarb Tart
05-27-2010, 06:53 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamiclife
subhaanAllah! Would you ignore if someone was insulting your mother!? Would abu Bakr and Umar (radiAllahu anhuma) ignore someone insulting habib of Allah (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam)? Did Allah Azza wa Jal ignore it!? Allhamdulillah, we're Muslims not Christians or any other religious followers. If we ignore today then they will do more tomorrow and so on and so on. Allhamdulillah, the Muslim ummah has defended any allegations or insults thrown at our Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) and we will continue to do so. Just because there is load of negative stuff on the Internet about our Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) doesn't mean we sit idle and do nothing and let that negative stuff pile on.


And defending him (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) is not concentrating on religion? It is an obligation upon us to defend his honor (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam). When he (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) was alive, Allah Azza wa Jal defended his Prophet and so did the companions of Allah's Messenger (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam). We can't let bunch of stupid people walk all over us.

May Allah guide us all and destroy those kuffaar, ameen
I actually have spoken to these people and decided they were not worth wasting my time on. I have taken action way before this group (by deactivating my account because you cannot delete, only deactivate it) because there are plenty of GROUPS in face book that has and have insulted the prophet (pbuh) and Allah (swt) himself. Examples ( I am not going to write allah (swt) name on it by replace it with G and our prophet with M but the actual group has got Allah (swt) and Mohammed (pubh) name on it. I hope you get what I mean: G is a pedophile, G is a pig, M is not prophet but just a pedophile, Ban Islam etc.. have existed way before "Draw Mohammed" and alot have joined. Also there are many racist groups on it and still continue to run.

Some of these group have existed a year and few more then a year. And all of the sudden everyone (muslims) are offened by "Draw Mohammed" when they have not checked out the content of these other groups. All are disgusting and God is a pig is the most disgusting group, actually promoting violence towards muslims children and enthic minorities (mainly black and Asian) and facebook has dont deleted such group. When I mean ingore this group, either you delete your facebook forever (not just boycott until the group is taken down) or you quit complaining. Because that site, itself has far worse thing on it. When I mean ingore it, you dont protest by screaming and shouting in the street, you delete your facebook FOREVER not boycott (for certain amount of time) or dont complain.

Pakistani "boycotting" facebook for certain amount of time is pathetic and the hypocrisy is appalling.
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-27-2010, 06:55 PM
Actually you can delete it permanently, I just did deleted mine permanently, but you cannot log in for 14 days, it removes everything afterwards.
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Rhubarb Tart
05-27-2010, 06:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf
Actually you can delete it permanently, I just did deleted mine permanently, but you cannot log in for 14 days, it removes everything afterwards.
How do you do it? I only know how to deactive. I did not know this.
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-27-2010, 07:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
How do you do it? I only know how to deactive. I did not know this.
http://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=13016
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غزالی
05-28-2010, 03:13 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
Obviously you seem to ignore the degrading, patronising and insulting comments he posted to me. Maybe I should highlight the judgement comments he made towards me and you should take that into account. Nevertheless, “go to hell” was wrong.

*That there should be no insult to the scare personalities which related to other religion and which have no link with you, your freedom of speech should limited to you and your family, Offending other without any reason should be stopped through law.*
sister that was your misunderstanding. i said before my that paragraph, we want international ruling on this matter and i was talking on the points in those ruling.
In my those comments, the word "you" was for people who try to insult our prophet every time not that was for you. how can i says this for you.
you could not realize this situation so you have replied in these words.

*I find this statement insulting. What are you suggesting, because I don’t necessarily agree with you I must have joined the stupid group and drew Mohammed (pbuh) all in the name of free speech. Get you facts straight pal.

i have imagined your misunderstanding that time therefore i have not replied same way.
i am sorry if they were offensive for you.
Dear sister, May Allah Protect you. can i ask question from you. you have said we should ignore all people who insult our prophets or any person with we have relation and much love. You have ignored the big insult of Our beloved prophet S.a.w by those athiest or jews etc. but you could not ignore your own small and single insult by me (if that's was really insult). what's this mean ?, why two standard ? why more self importance than Prophets s.a.w ?
i hope you will think about this.


now you have said :

*Pakistani "boycotting" facebook for certain amount of time is pathetic and the hypocrisy is appalling.

i know pakistani Govt. is not good but we have to apreciate for their some good actions, you have not seen what this boycott has effected on the thinking of youth in the muslim word and in pakistan. It has created more awareness in youth. And it also have effected facebook therefore they have deleted that material and that cortonist have excused for it.
if there were no protest and boycott, did they do this > they have organised a big event and a website specialy for that event. have they do this due to your ignoring. we not only want to defend our prophet dignity but also want to save these people from such a big sin. you have mentioned there are many other group who insult islam. sister we are questionable for what we know. we have to forbide people from doing evil when we see them. Our religion has taught this as mention by "islamlife"
what about facebook bans time limit, the court who ordered to ban will decide for it.
pathetica and hypocrisy is showing infact from other islamic countries acts, who have not said even a single word against it.

May Allah Show us the right path.
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-28-2010, 04:01 AM
:salamext:

For instance in this event, we can compare Pakistani Govt to Saudi Govt. We know that the king is a puppet of the west and all that. But the same King is the Custodian of the Haramain. He helps the pilgrims in many ways. They deserve criticism for their lack of heed towards Muslims who are suffering. Dua is the best weapon in a time where you are oppressed but there is no Khalifa to wage war on enemies of Islam.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
05-29-2010, 07:23 PM
http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20...k-for-muslims/

Check this out subhanAllah LOL!
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islamirama
05-29-2010, 07:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
http://www.pakfacebook.com
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Rhubarb Tart
05-29-2010, 11:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by hafizsaad
sister that was your misunderstanding. i said before my that paragraph, we want international ruling on this matter and i was talking on the points in those ruling.
In my those comments, the word "you" was for people who try to insult our prophet every time not that was for you. how can i says this for you.
you could not realize this situation so you have replied in these words.

*I find this statement insulting. What are you suggesting, because I don’t necessarily agree with you I must have joined the stupid group and drew Mohammed (pbuh) all in the name of free speech. Get you facts straight pal.

i have imagined your misunderstanding that time therefore i have not replied same way.
i am sorry if they were offensive for you.
Dear sister, May Allah Protect you. can i ask question from you. you have said we should ignore all people who insult our prophets or any person with we have relation and much love. You have ignored the big insult of Our beloved prophet S.a.w by those athiest or jews etc. but you could not ignore your own small and single insult by me (if that's was really insult). what's this mean ?, why two standard ? why more self importance than Prophets s.a.w ?
i hope you will think about this.


now you have said :

*Pakistani "boycotting" facebook for certain amount of time is pathetic and the hypocrisy is appalling.

i know pakistani Govt. is not good but we have to apreciate for their some good actions, you have not seen what this boycott has effected on the thinking of youth in the muslim word and in pakistan. It has created more awareness in youth. And it also have effected facebook therefore they have deleted that material and that cortonist have excused for it.
if there were no protest and boycott, did they do this > they have organised a big event and a website specialy for that event. have they do this due to your ignoring. we not only want to defend our prophet dignity but also want to save these people from such a big sin. you have mentioned there are many other group who insult islam. sister we are questionable for what we know. we have to forbide people from doing evil when we see them. Our religion has taught this as mention by "islamlife"
what about facebook bans time limit, the court who ordered to ban will decide for it.
pathetica and hypocrisy is showing infact from other islamic countries acts, who have not said even a single word against it.

May Allah Show us the right path.
Oh sorry I misunderstood. I think you misunderstood me too. When I mean ignore it, I mean delete facebook out of your life forever. The thing is there were already groups on facebook insulting our prophet (pbuh), I just think people should delete facebook permanently.
I have personally spoken to these people; they are bigots and will keep on creating hateful groups. There is no reasoning with such people. The best option for Pakistan is to ban facebook forever. Facebook can delete groups straightaway after overwhelming complaints, thousands of people complained about these groups I mentioned (even the non Muslims because it was inciting hate and violence towards Muslims and ethnic minorities) and facebook has not deleted them yet. Facebook can delete groups straightaway and have done so many times before. And if there was a time limit, these groups are well overdue.
I don’t mind protesting peacefully just those that protest with violence is the problem. Peaceful protest without violence and hate speech is the way to go and please to see there were many happening regarding this matter. But I think action speaks louder then word, facebook had many chances to stop these groups and failed. Boycott facebook forever and the next “social networking” site (and there will be one, people will get tired of facebook) can learn from their mistake.
I think Saudi Arabia don’t allow access to these websites, I think they banned it because of female and male mixing or something. I don’t know where I heard this but I think they might have banned facebook.
Did facebook delete the Draw M group? I thought it was still running.
Sorry for the insult.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
05-30-2010, 12:39 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
Yes lol. So what do you think? Leave FB and join this?
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islamirama
05-30-2010, 04:27 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Light of Heaven
Yes lol. So what do you think? Leave FB and join this?
if you can't live without such social sites than yes, better to give your business to Muslims, especially when the kuffar are anti-islam bigots...
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-30-2010, 04:50 PM
I rather not join any social network websites anymore..its better to just avoid the fitnah completely..:w:
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waji
05-30-2010, 06:45 PM
Bangladesh also bans Facebook
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-30-2010, 06:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by waji
Awesome..may Allah make it easy for the Muslims in Bangladesh, and guide them to Siraat al Mustaqeem.
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waji
05-31-2010, 07:11 AM
Pakistan court lifts the ban on facebook
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-31-2010, 07:17 AM
^^ Yeah unfortunately the ban was only till may 31st. Hopefully it did some damage to Facebook.

Lol at this comment on the page linked above "I think justice sahib has been missing facebook a lot as he took no time to lift ban. ;)"
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Ramadhan
06-01-2010, 07:44 AM
Apparently, the ban worked.
Alhamdulillah!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_pakist...rnet_crackdown

Pakistan lifts Facebook ban after page removed



By BABAR DOGAR, Associated Press Writer Babar Dogar, Associated Press Writer – Mon May 31, 11:07 am ET

LAHORE, Pakistan – Pakistan lifted a ban on Facebook on Monday after officials from the social networking site apologized for a page deemed offensive to Muslims and removed its contents, a top information technology official said.

The move came almost two weeks after Pakistan imposed the ban amid anger over a page that encouraged users to post images of Islam's Prophet Muhammad. Many Muslims regard depictions of the prophet, even favorable ones, as blasphemous.

"In response to our protest, Facebook has tendered their apology and informed us that all the sacrilegious material has been removed from the URL," said Najibullah Malik, secretary of Pakistan's information technology ministry, referring to the technical term for a Web page.

Facebook assured the Pakistani government that "nothing of this sort will happen in the future," Malik said.

Officials from the website could not immediately be reached for comment. They said earlier the contents of the "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!" page did not violate Facebook's terms.

The page encouraged users to post images of the prophet to protest threats made by a radical Muslim group against the creators of the American TV series "South Park" for depicting Muhammad in a bear suit during an episode earlier this year.

Pakistan blocked Facebook on May 19 following a ruling by one of the country's highest courts. The Lahore High Court reversed its ruling Monday because of Facebook's response, paving the way for the government to restore access, Malik said.

The government will continue to block some Web pages that contain "sacrilegious material," but Malik declined to specify which ones.

The Facebook controversy sparked a handful of protests across Pakistan, many by student members of radical Islamic groups. Some of the protesters carried signs advocating holy war against the website for allowing the page.

Bangladesh also decided to block Facebook on Sunday but said it would restore access to the site if the offensive material was removed.

It is not the first time that images of the prophet have sparked anger. Pakistan and other Muslim countries saw large and sometimes violent protests in 2006 when a Danish newspaper published cartoons of Muhammad, and again in 2008 when they were reprinted. Later the same year, a suspected al-Qaida suicide bomber attacked the Danish Embassy in Islamabad, killing six people.

Anger over the Facebook controversy also prompted the Pakistani government to block access to YouTube briefly, saying there was growing sacrilegious content on the video sharing website. The government restored access to YouTube last week but said it would continue to block videos offensive to Muslims that are posted on the site.
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islamirama
06-02-2010, 01:37 AM
Pakistan lifts Facebook ban but 'blasphemous' pages stay hidden

Monday 31 May 2010

Pakistan lifted a two-week-old ban on Facebook today but said it would continue to block individual pages containing "blasphemous" content.

Pakistan banned Facebook on 19 May in response to an online competition that invited people around the world to submit drawings of the prophet Muhammad. Muslims consider all depictions of Muhammad as heretical.

Yesterday Bangladesh also banned Facebook, saying it would lift the restriction only when the offending material was removed.

In recent weeks Pakistan extended the censorship to hundreds of other sites, including YouTube and Wikipedia. Most are now accessible again.

The censorship triggered criticism on Twitter and in the country's English-language media, but no street protests. Internet users were initially able to circumvent the ban through proxy sites but were thwarted when the government blocked those too.

Najibullah Malik, the Pakistani official orchestrating the censorship, said Facebook had removed all "sacrilegious material" from its website and promised that "nothing of this sort will happen in the future".

But by late afternoon a Facebook page entitled "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!" was still online. One image depicted a bearded face with an explosive fuse trailing from his turban pasted on to a photo of a naked woman. The page was not accessible in Pakistan.

A Facebook spokewoman said the company had restricted access to the page in certain countries, including Pakistan, "out of respect for local rules" but had not removed it in others.

Facebook critics say some drawings on the Muhammad page are so offensive to Muslims that they constitute hate material. They point out that the site has previously censored sensitive material in Pakistan, including blocking a lawyer who tried to set up a satirical page entitled Taliban Times.

The competition to draw Muhammad was conceived by a Seattle cartoonist in protest at threats against the creators of the US cartoon South Park, which portrayed the prophet in a bear suit during a recent episode.

Many commentators were reluctant to defend the right of westerners to "defame" Islam but also accused their government of using the ban as an excuse to crack down on freedom of expression. It was notable that while Islamic groups took to the streets to support the ban, their secular opponents stayed at home.

"There was a lot of anger, a lot of resentment, but nobody took any action. Why? Because they had no counter-argument to make," said Nadeem Farooq Paracha, a cultural commentator with the Dawn newspaper. "Anything to do with Allah, or the prophet, and everyone keeps quiet. That's the problem with our country."

Pakistan already bans a wide variety of websites with political or human rights content including those run by Baloch or Sindh nationalists, and videos of Pakistani soldiers beating civilians. Pornography, however, is freely available.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/31/pakistan-lifts-facebook-ban
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These people continue to attack and insult Islam because know that the Muslims will do nothing permanent. They will only get emotional enough to protest and then ban/boycott for a little while and then they will shamelessly come back to using these services. The blame goes on the Muslims who are slaves of these companies' products and services that they won't give these up but will allow Islam to be defamed.
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