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جوري
06-01-2010, 11:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
how naive of me, this never crossed my mind. i actually don't follow the news that closely.. :w:

but then, this is not about egypt, all muslim countries are the same.
that is what the egyptians themselves are saying a cowardly move under 'duress' from Israel!
do you think after all the heinous death and destruction they've been through the egyptian cow of a president suddenly grew a heart?
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Muslim Woman
06-01-2010, 11:52 PM
Salaam/Peace

got this mail today :


Dear friends, The world is reeling from Israel's assault on an aid flotilla trying to reach Gaza. It's time for a full investigation to begin -- and for the siege of Gaza to end.

Sign the worldwide petition, then forward this message:





Israel's deadly raid on a flotilla of aid ships headed for Gaza has shocked the world.

Israel, like any other state, has the right to self-defence, but this was an outrageous use of lethal force to defend an outrageous and lethal policy -- Israel's blockade of Gaza, where two thirds of families don't know where they'll find their next meal.

The UN, EU, and nearly every other government and multilateral organization have called on Israel to lift the blockade and, now, launch a full investigation of the flotilla raid. But without massive pressure from their citizens, world leaders might limit their response to mere words -- as they have so many times before.

Let's make the world's outcry too loud to ignore. Join the petition for an independent investigation into the raid, accountability for those responsible, and an immediate end to the blockade in Gaza -- click to sign the petition, and then forward this message to everyone:

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The petition will be delivered to the UN and world leaders, as soon as it reaches 200,000 names -- and again at every opportunity as it grows and leaders choose their responses.

A massive petition at a moment of crisis like this one can demonstrate to those in power that sound bites and press releases aren't enough -- that citizens are paying attention and demanding action.
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Argamemnon
06-02-2010, 12:10 AM
Weapons of Mass Destruction found on Flotilla! Israeli soldiers have saved the world from nuclear disaster!

I read this on some Zionist blog...

j/k ... :D
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marwen
06-02-2010, 12:22 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
Weapons of Mass Destruction found on Flotilla! Israeli soldiers have saved the world from nuclear disaster!

I read this on some Zionist blog...

j/k ... :D
:D that's a joke, but Israel can say more than that. They are really shameless liars.
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Argamemnon
06-02-2010, 01:11 AM
Part of Erdogan's speech.. at the end he says "we are sick and tired of your lies" referring to Israel's lies about weapons aboard the ship. The actual speech was much harsher than this silly translation, I guess it would be a bit too much to translate this literally! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iJ_J...ayer_embedded#!
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Vito
06-02-2010, 01:19 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
Part of Erdogan's speech.. at the end he says "we are sick and tired of your lies" referring to Israel's lies about weapons aboard the ship. The actual speech was much harsher than this silly translation, I guess it would be a bit too much to translate this literally! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iJ_J...ayer_embedded#!
"We are sick of your lies"

I don't think that can be said enough.
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جوري
06-02-2010, 01:21 AM
oh God you should see the many ridiculous protests Jews are holding here in NY to counteract the protests against the siege in Gaza and all of them utterly irrelevant, basically meant to elicit sympathy and as usual for something entirely unrelated.. what nut cases.. I am pretty sure three insta holocaust movies are in the making as we speak!
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Argamemnon
06-02-2010, 01:30 AM
what !!

Turkish sources and media revealed a document which shows that a death list had been prepared in advance by the Israelis, showing names and pictures of people on board of the ships to be murdered, who, according to Israel, were “involved in the International humanitarian aid for Gaza”. According to the Turkish sources, hundreds of Israeli soldiers stormed the blue Turkish ship “Marmara” flotilla and they had copies of the death list. The list included the names of civilians on the fleet who should be killed”. The document was apparently recovered after one of the Israeli soldiers lost it during the piracy act.

The leaders of the Israeli gang of War criminals, the so-called “Israeli government” is currently engaged in inciting and planning to launch a nuclear war against Iran, was not able to do anything in response to the Turkish- Iranian-Brazilian agreement of last May 17 2010 to transfer 1.200 Kg of low-enriched uranium to Turkey in return for nuclear fuel. In retaliation, they perpetrated the massacre on the Freedom Flotilla of humanitarian aid-carrying ships aiming to break the Israel genocide of siege on Gaza imposed since 2006. The Turkish-Iranian-Brazilian agreement stood as an obstacle against the Israeli ambitions to force the world to enter into a spiral of bloody nuclear war. It is wrong to believe that the Turkish government was not expecting the massacre against the Freedom Flotilla which carried 10.000 tonnes of humanitarian aid to Gaza

http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/...rder-list.html

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vwfYOSKU5c...18-150x121.jpg
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Dagless
06-02-2010, 02:09 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
what !!

Turkish sources and media revealed a document which shows that a death list had been prepared in advance by the Israelis, showing names and pictures of people on board of the ships to be murdered, who, according to Israel, were “involved in the International humanitarian aid for Gaza”. According to the Turkish sources, hundreds of Israeli soldiers stormed the blue Turkish ship “Marmara” flotilla and they had copies of the death list. The list included the names of civilians on the fleet who should be killed”. The document was apparently recovered after one of the Israeli soldiers lost it during the piracy act.
This is just getting silly now. Lets at least keep the facts legitimate. There are so many reasons why this doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

1) Hundreds of soldiers didn't come on board.
2) Those who did come on board were in trouble almost immediately.
3) If they had a list then why weren't the people on that list killed?
4) The people killed all seemed to come from the immediate vicinity of where the boat was boarded.
5) etc. etc.
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غزالی
06-02-2010, 03:16 AM
see american support for these Israeli Zionist again.
shame on human right champions.
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shuraimfan4lyf
06-02-2010, 04:46 AM
I was at 7-Eleven just few mins ago, and I know the worker there. He was like brother, this morning I got into argument with a caucasian male about the whole Flotilla issue. The white male said "All arabs should die so the world could be in peace" and etc etc. The worker is a non-muslim, but he was defending the Turkish Flotilla alhamdulillah. I like when I meet people like him in USA, because it shows atleast there are some people with Aql in the west. :w:
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جوري
06-02-2010, 05:11 AM
I am sick of reading derogatory and vile things about muslims.. now a days I exercise my 'free speech' to the max.. I run on zero tolerance and so should all Muslims..
ma daa3 7aqien wa'ra'aho motalib!

:w:
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Masuma
06-02-2010, 09:30 AM
Glory to Allah! read this latest news below. It seems like the days are near when Israel's true face will be revealed to the world.

Talat says will show real face of Israel:

Wednesday, 2 Jun, 2010 10:04 am
AMMAN : Executive Director News and current affairs of Aaj News Talat Hussain has said that he will show the real face of Israel by releasing the footage of Israeli commandos assault, Aaj News reported.

Talking to Aaj News after his arrival in Jordan, Talat said that they were remained in Israeli custody for three days.

While expressing gratitude to the nation, Talat Hussain said that the prayers of the nation make him possible to sustain in tough days.

Answering the question about the assault, he said at least 60 Israeli commandos attacked the flotilla vessel, adding that he witnessed the deaths of four mates.

About his return to Pakistan, Talat said that he will arrived back home on Thursday’s evening.

SOURCE
"They plot and plan, Allah plans too. And Allah is the best of the planner".

Glory be to Allah!




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Masuma
06-02-2010, 09:44 AM
You know I'm shocked as to how Israel released these people with the footage. I mean Israel would try to the best of its shi t to taker the footage into its custody otherwise it's whole secret propaganda, its cruelty and the constant persecution of Palestinians will be shown to the world.

Maybe brother Talat would have been very careful in keeping the footage a secret.

Brother Talat (one of the best Pakistani news reporter) says in his latest interview that Israel is using a propaganda to hide facts and the channels are not reporting the news correctly. They are tempering with the real news as the truth is different from what Israeli channels or other channels of such type are showing. He says that he has a number of footage showing what exactly happened and he'll release them tomorrow in his show.

Well, I'll keep a close eye on all his news and if I get hold of the footage, i'll inshAllah post it here.

Israel is totally blinded by its arrogance, as I said before, because it thinks that it'll get away with it again this time. But maybe now Allah has some other plans for Israel. InshAllah! :D

Allahu Akbar!
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DuncG
06-02-2010, 01:56 PM
Oh dear, I've just been watching some spokesman for an Israeli communications company on Al Jazeera justify the blockade of Gaza, that affects a population made up of ~50% children, that perhaps their parents 'should not have voted in a terrorist organisation'. Collective punishment - the punishment of others (children, in this case) because of the exercise of the democratic right of their parents to vote for who they want. How disturbingly unethical.

The issues that I would most like to see addressed are:

1. Why were the boats boarded in international waters and not in Israeli waters?
2. Why were the boats boarded at approximately 4:30am instead of during daylight hours that would reduce the risks inherent in capturing a vessel in the dark? Humans do not act at their best in the early hours of the morning - commandos and civilians alike. The timing of the action increased the risk of mistakes being made, such as misidentification of weapons and thus the inherent threat posed by the passengers.
3. Why were the boats boarded with the express intention of diverting them to Ashdod port, rather than searching them for any contraband (weapons - that's what the blockade is there to stop, allegedly)?
4. How many weapons were found on the boats? Where is the photographic evidence of these weapons? No evidence of guns and long knives has so far been produced, although some video footage does show the passengers carrying and using metal bars.
5. And, most importantly, what is the justification for the blockade of Gaza such that not only weapons are allowed in but also reconstruction materials, foodstuffs, medical items are denied along with the blockading of the indigenous fishing industry.


While I've seen plenty of Israeli spokespeople say that they are allowed to defend themselves against attack (they are - I've no problem with that), it's blatantly clear that this flotilla was in no way aggressive or harmful. Likewise, there are plenty of blockaded materials that are in no way harmful. The blocking of concrete, for example, because it could be 'used to make bunkers' is damingly hypocritical - bunkers are defensive structures, used for self-defence (although they can be used to hold captured ground, that is not the case here) - precisely the principle that Israel enacts for justification of its own actions.

The only other point I'd like to make is that it's clear that this peaceful action has harmed Israel far more that any suicide bombing or missile/mortar attack. I hope everyone here can see that such peaceful demonstrations against Israel are far more effective than violent ones. Once you remove violence as a tactic against Israel, you immediately remove their only justification for their heavy-handed and deadly response. For example, it would probably be better for Turkey not to defend future flotillas with military vessels - if Israel repeats its response then you're simply handing them more rope with which to hang themselves (figuratively speaking...).
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-02-2010, 02:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by DuncG
Oh dear, I've just been watching some spokesman for an Israeli communications company on Al Jazeera justify the blockade of Gaza, that affects a population made up of ~50% children, that perhaps their parents 'should not have voted in a terrorist organisation'. Collective punishment - the punishment of others (children, in this case) because of the exercise of the democratic right of their parents to vote for who they want. How disturbingly unethical.

The issues that I would most like to see addressed are:

1. Why were the boats boarded in international waters and not in Israeli waters?
2. Why were the boats boarded at approximately 4:30am instead of during daylight hours that would reduce the risks inherent in capturing a vessel in the dark? Humans do not act at their best in the early hours of the morning - commandos and civilians alike. The timing of the action increased the risk of mistakes being made, such as misidentification of weapons and thus the inherent threat posed by the passengers.
3. Why were the boats boarded with the express intention of diverting them to Ashdod port, rather than searching them for any contraband (weapons - that's what the blockade is there to stop, allegedly)?
4. How many weapons were found on the boats? Where is the photographic evidence of these weapons? No evidence of guns and long knives has so far been produced, although some video footage does show the passengers carrying and using metal bars.
5. And, most importantly, what is the justification for the blockade of Gaza such that not only weapons are allowed in but also reconstruction materials, foodstuffs, medical items are denied along with the blockading of the indigenous fishing industry.


While I've seen plenty of Israeli spokespeople say that they are allowed to defend themselves against attack (they are - I've no problem with that), it's blatantly clear that this flotilla was in no way aggressive or harmful. Likewise, there are plenty of blockaded materials that are in no way harmful. The blocking of concrete, for example, because it could be 'used to make bunkers' is damingly hypocritical - bunkers are defensive structures, used for self-defence (although they can be used to hold captured ground, that is not the case here) - precisely the principle that Israel enacts for justification of its own actions.

The only other point I'd like to make is that it's clear that this peaceful action has harmed Israel far more that any suicide bombing or missile/mortar attack. I hope everyone here can see that such peaceful demonstrations against Israel are far more effective than violent ones. Once you remove violence as a tactic against Israel, you immediately remove their only justification for their heavy-handed and deadly response. For example, it would probably be better for Turkey not to defend future flotillas with military vessels - if Israel repeats its response then you're simply handing them more rope with which to hang themselves (figuratively speaking...).

So if it is so blunt why do we not draw the conclusion and understand that somebody is playing with us
and wants us to have war? When are people going to wake up?!


As for what you say about peaceful actions being the true weapon - support X million
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IslamicRevival
06-02-2010, 02:07 PM

If you had a gun, wouldn't you want to blow his head off? Its the same old **** every time! Lies, lies and **** more lies!

Turkey Zindabad!
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aadil77
06-02-2010, 02:18 PM
look at him sitting there in a suit talking like he's all civilised

he's a terrorist in a suit
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-02-2010, 02:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
look at him sitting there in a suit talking like he's all civilised

he's a terrorist in a suit
So what?

He is just a monkey on television. Its just television - you want to make a
difference - talk to the people behind the television otherwise you have the
low ground because they can effect you but you cannot effect them
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aadil77
06-02-2010, 02:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Ibn Yus
So what?

He is just a monkey on television. Its just television - you want to make a
difference - talk to the people behind the television otherwise you have the
low ground because they can effect you but you cannot effect them
what are you talking about?
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-02-2010, 02:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
what are you talking about?
There is no effect to voicing your criticism where the people you criticize cannot hear you.

Look - you made around 600 posts here - what would have happened if instead in these forum
these posts would be voiced to the Knesset or some Israeli forum?

That's the only way in which your words could make a difference.
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جوري
06-02-2010, 03:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by An33za
They won't show it, it is that simple.. they'll focus on the 19th hijacker or some concocted story, the way they are in NY now protesting the desecration of the graves of their sages with most media outlets concentrating on that..

it is funny like that!

Thank God for the internet at least..

:w:
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Supreme
06-02-2010, 03:17 PM
FWIW, Israel is continuously ignoring international treaties that have been forwarded to end the conflict, and continues to erect illegal settlements on Palestinian territory (after demolishing the houses of the residents, and driving them from their ancestral homes by employing the military).

It should be perfectly obvious that there is no "right" side in this conflict any more; there probably never was a "right" side to begin with.
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Masuma
06-02-2010, 04:46 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
They won't show it, it is that simple.. they'll focus on the 19th hijacker or some concocted story, the way they are in NY now protesting the desecration of the graves of their sages with most media outlets concentrating on that..

it is funny like that!

Thank God for the internet at least..

:w:
Then that would be really bad! :( But why not hope for the good? Lets see what happens tomorrow! :/ But brother Talat is one of my favorite news reporter! :(

I'm leaving it on Allah. May Allah make brother Talat a great asset for the Muslim Ummah! Ameen! A sister can always pray...right?! :)
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Woodrow
06-02-2010, 04:59 PM
I am pleased to notice the American people are reacting to this attack:







SOURCE
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Predator
06-02-2010, 06:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Ibn Yus
There is no effect to voicing your criticism where the people you criticize cannot hear you.

what would have happened if instead in these forum
these posts would be voiced to the Knesset or some Israeli forum?

That's the only way in which your words could make a difference.
If you're so concerned about it . Why u dont u go and post there and get yourself banned in the process
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Argamemnon
06-02-2010, 06:22 PM
Dead activists' 'martyr' hopes

ANKARA - THREE of the four Turks killed in an Israeli raid on aid ships bound for the Gaza Strip were devout Muslims who wanted to be 'martyrs,' relatives and friends were quoted as saying on Wednesday.

The names of the victims have not been officially released, but the media identified them on Wednesday as four men, all involved in Islamic movements or charities.

One of them, Ali Haydar Bengi was described as a 39-year-old father of four who studied at Egypt's Al-Azhar University, a prominent centre of Islamic learning, and ran a telephone repair shop in Diyarbakir, in Turkey's mainly Kurdish south-east. Bengi 'was helping the poor and the oppressed. For years, he wanted to go to Palestine. And he constantly prayed to become a martyr,' Bengi's wife, Saniye, told the Vatan daily. 'Before embarking on the journey, he said he desired to become a martyr. He wanted to be a martyr very much,' Bengi's friend, Sabir Ceylan, told the Milliyet newspaper.

Another victim, Ali Ekber Yaratilmis, 55, was described as an Ankara-based retired worker and father of five, who was a volunteer for the Foundation of Humanitarian Relief (IHH), the Turkish Islamist charity that spearheaded the campaign to break the blockade of Gaza. 'He devoted his life to charity work... That's why he boarded the ship. He always wanted to be a martyr,' the Sabah daily quoted a friend, Mehmet Faruk Cevher, as saying.

The third victim, retired engineer Ibrahim Bilgen, 61, was a father of six and a supporter of the Islamist Felicity Party in the south-eastern city of Siirt, Anatolia news agency reported. 'He was an exemplary man, an exemplary philanthropist. That's why martyrdom suited him very much. Allah gave him a death he desired,' Bilgen's brother-in-law, Nuri Mergen, told Anatolia.

Vatan identified the forth victim as IHH volunteer Muharrem Kocak. Most of Monday's bloodshed occurred on a Turkish-flagged ship, the Mavi Marmara, carrying hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists from about 30 countries, mostly Turks. The Israeli army said the commandos resorted to force after they were attacked with sticks and stabbed as soon as they landed on the deck. -- AFP

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ry_534486.html
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Argamemnon
06-02-2010, 06:23 PM
^ most westerners reading this would immediately conclude that these people are 'terrorists'; how dare these terrorists defend innocent Muslims living under a brutal occupation..
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Woodrow
06-02-2010, 06:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
^ most westerners reading this would immediately conclude that these people are "terrorists". How dare these terrorists defend innocent Muslims..
Part of this has to do with language problems. The Western concept of martyr is a person who willingly dies without resistance for a cause. The Muslim concept is often seen as being a person willing to die in a fight to defend Islam. Sadly the Western mind tends to equate this with terrorism instead of defenders/martyrs.
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glo
06-02-2010, 06:53 PM
I don't know if all activist on board were Muslims.
Would a non-Muslim who died for an Islamic cause be considered a martyr in the eyes of Islam?
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aadil77
06-02-2010, 07:03 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
I don't know if all activist on board were Muslims.
Would a non-Muslim who died for an Islamic cause be considered a martyr in the eyes of Islam?
no, but why would it matter to them?
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Argamemnon
06-02-2010, 07:09 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
The Muslim concept is often seen as being a person willing to die in a fight to defend Islam.
But what's wrong with that? If Chinese would die defending their homeland against an aggressor, I wouldn't call them terrorists or fundamentalists/Buddhist extremists/Chinese fanatics. Defending your people and lands is the most honorable duty. All people have the right to defend themselves, as Muslims Allah forbids us to "start hostilities" in the Qur'an. It says 'but do not start hostilities', I'm too lazy to find the relevant verse now.
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Woodrow
06-02-2010, 07:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
But what's wrong with that? If Chinese would die defending their homeland against an aggressor, I wouldn't call them terrorists or fundamentalists/Buddhist extremists/Chinese fanatics. Defending your people and lands is the most honorable duty. All people have the right to defend themselves, as Muslims Allah forbids us to "start hostilities" in the Qur'an. It says 'but do not start hostilities', I'm too lazy to find the relevant verse now.
There is nothing wrong and it is the right and honorable thing to do. I was pointing out the language difference. The Western meaning of martyr means the person died without putting up resistance. The Western world usually does not see a person who dies in combat as a martyr but use the word hero instead.


Dictionary: mar·tyr (mär'tər
n.

1. One who chooses to suffer death rather than renounce religious principles.
2. One who makes great sacrifices or suffers much in order to further a belief, cause, or principle.
3.
1. One who endures great suffering: a martyr to arthritis.
2. One who makes a great show of suffering in order to arouse sympathy.

tr.v., -tyred, -tyr·ing, -tyrs.

1. To make a martyr of, especially to put to death for devotion to religious beliefs.
2. To inflict great pain on; torment.

[Middle English, from Old English, from Late Latin, from Late Greek martur, from Greek martus, martur-, witness.]

I think this limited view of martyr by Westerners makes it difficult to understand why we call our heroes martyrs. Also the western world usually does not have the concept of civilian soldiers and only see them as civilians using force, which gets twisted into terrorist in their minds.
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shuraimfan4lyf
06-02-2010, 08:12 PM
:salamext:

There is going to be some protest here on Friday..I am just confused as some brother told me not to go because, protesting is not the sunnah etc. Also, some of the people who are organizing are misguided..hmm..Should I go? I mean protesting rarely does anything these days..
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سيف الله
06-02-2010, 08:19 PM
Salaam

Beware wall of text incoming but its worth the read

Another day, another atrocity, Israel truly does deserves its label ‘Rogue State’ a state not bound by international laws or norms, but it needn’t worry to much, its main backer (USA )knows a thing or two about how irrelevant International law becomes when it interferes with its goals so after some mild protests it will turn (as per usual) a blind eye to its thuggery.

First off we have to remember that Israel has been attacking shipping for many years prior to this event. Israel has been hijacking Lebanese boats and kidnapping Lebanese fisherman for years notwithstanding the daily harassment Palestinian fisherman suffer, (if they can get out to sea at all) but since these people are deemed little better than ‘two legged beasts’ nobody took much notice.

However last year, there was a confrontation between International peace activists and the Israeli navy. Very similar though far less deadly to the one we have just witnessed (before the Gaza massacre took place). A small boat named the Dignity was travelling from Cyprus to Lebanon. There were doctors, human rights activists on board. Their goal was to bypass Israel’s blockade of the Gaza strip and bring much needed food and supplies to the trapped population. The boat was intercepted by the Israeli navy far out at sea in International waters. The Israeli ship rammed it without warning severely damaging the boat but thankfully it managed to limp to a Lebanese harbor.

Israel provided the routine lies, terrorists, Iranian agents, Al Qaida etc etc and even had the gall to claim they didn’t ram the boat! Unluckily for the Western propaganda systems there were respected journalists on board for example CNN correspondent Karl who reported what happened but this incident was dismissed and quickly forgotten.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...-gaza-aid-ship

Another aspect was that Israeli had their Hasbra operation (propaganda operation) well prepared. Check out this report which was filed before the incident took place



It’s a public relation blitz we haven’t seen in years. As a flotilla of boats attempts to sale to Gaza to deliver aid and to break the siege Israel is busy with its own good will campaign. At this impromptu press conference given by the army department responsible for transporting goods into Gaza the message was simple. The flotilla is unnecessary because there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Reporter

According to the UN 80% of the population of Gaza is poor, 60% are unemployed. 75% are insecure, every major international organisation from Amnesty International to the Red Cross, Human Rights Watch, I could go on, has called it a humanitarian crises.

Col Moshe Levi

We know the data base you introduce, this is not an indication of a crises in the strip. . . . .

Reporter

Lie? 80%. . . . .

Col Moshe Levi

No no, its not a lie we know more than 70% of population is under the poor rate but this is part of area. . . .

Next journalists were taken for a tour around Kabin Abi Salem one of the few terminals into Gaza that Israel hasn’t shut down.

The part of all this is to show us all the goods that enter the Gaza through Israel. The authorities has also given us the fact sheet dazzling us with the hundreds of thousands of tons that enter Gaza almost every day from Israel. Problem is nowhere on the sheet of paper does it tell us or compare how much Gaza gets to much Gaza needs.

So lets do the missing math’s, according to the army 156000 tones of food has been delivered in the last 6 months, that means around 4kg of food per Gazan per week.

But the point is not the volume of food, but the type being allowed in say the UN, especially the lack of fresh vegetables and protein causing malnourishment.

The army claimed that they allowed 6000 people to leave Gaza for medical reasons but what about those who are denied exits. According to the UN since the start of the siege 40% who apply for medical permits aren’t granted them.

I put that to the army who conceded that 1000 patients had been prevented from leaving this year, he also didn’t refute the claim that 4 Palestinians died last year waiting for permits to exit Gaza for medical reasons and it goes on. Government press office recently sent journalist the menu of a restraint in Gaza in a tongue and cheek effort to prove that there is no food shortage.

But according to the restraints owner 70% of his food is smuggled from Egypt via the tunnels which also means that its expensive and out of reach for the vast majority of the population. To press the point further the media office also provided video of Gazans eating at the restraint but one of the diners is Palestinian President Mahmood Abbas who hasn’t set foot in Gaza since the siege began 3 years ago.

Away from the statistics, shows and spin lies the real Gaza strip. 1.7 million people trapped inside a 40km long ghetto, if the flotilla arrives this is the Gaza activist will see and when they go this is what they will leave behind.


Here’s two reaction to the incident. First of Norman Finkelstein being interviewed by RT



Reporter

We have had widespread condemnation from Europe of the actions of the Israeli defence force who boarded the aid ship flotilla, what has been the reaction in America?

Norman Finkelstein

So far there has been a mild statement by President Obama, regretting what happened, saying it should be investigated but not going beyond that. I would call that a mild display of concern.

Reporter

So just a mild display of concern but Jerusalem was saying it was trying to protect its borders and its citizens and the flotilla was on a mission to discredit the State of Israel. What do you say to that?

Norman Finkelstein

I think there are many things that need to be said and there has to be serious thought given to what has happened. Lets start with the basics

1

Israel is imposing an illegal blockade on Gaza, what was called by Amnesty International last week a flagrant violation of International Law. The United Nations committee of elders, people like Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu just distributed a statement today in which they called the blockade of Gaza

‘one of the worst human rights violations in the world today’


2

Number 2 Israel attacked a humanitarian convoy in International waters. They used armed commandoes to attack an international or should I say humanitarian convoy in International waters. I think everyone agree that there is no possible way to justify using armed force against what were clearly unarmed humanitarians trying to relive an illegal siege of Gaza.

To me the more important question is this, namely Israel’s massacre in Gaza in December 2008/January 2009, afterwards Israeli officials were saying that they wanted to show the Arab world that they were capable of acting like a lunatic state and like mad dogs, they wanted to restore the Arab worlds fear of Israel and that’s why they acted like a lunatic state and mad dogs in Gaza.

But after yesterdays events we really have to ask the question, is Israel acting like a lunatic state or has it become a lunatic state and that’s not rhetoric, it’s a very serious issue.

Reporter

The UN are meeting today, it’s held an emergency meeting to discuss the raid and to react to what Israel has done. What conclusions do you think they will come to? Do you think their findings will make any difference?

Norman Finkelstein

Well I think the important issue is what happened in Gaza, excuse me, what happened with the Gaza flotilla was not an accident, you have to remember the Israeli cabinet met for fully a week, all the cabinet ministers discussed, deliberated, how they would handle the flotilla. There were numerous reports in the Israeli press, numerous suggestions, words, and recommendations on what to do. They decided on a night time armed Commando raid on an International convoy.

Israel now is a lunatic state; it’s a lunatic state with between 200 and 300 nuclear devices, its threatening war daily against Iran and Hezbollah in Lebanon. Hezbollah in Lebanon has already stated in several occasions, if Israel attacks it will retaliate in kind, things are getting out of control.

We have to ask ourselves a basic fundamental question. Can a lunatic state like Israel be trusted with 200 to 300 nuclear devices when it is threatening its neighbors and Lebanon with attack.

These are serious issues

A response from George Galloway



This is George Galloway, Viva Palestina I’m calling from Houston Texas in the United States of America

News has just broken of this barbarous act of piracy conducted by the so called state of Israel in which innocent humanitarian aid workers have been cold bloodily murdered and dozens wounded, maybe more deaths to come in the hours that will follow.

This crime is one of the most dastardly attacks on humanitarian aid workers in recent times and amidst the wreckage of the freedom flotilla is what remains of Israel’s reputation as a member of the International community.

Israel has grown used to killing people as an answer to their political problems, but now they have moved from killing those Palestinians who have the misfortune to live under their occupation or behind the walls of their siege, now International citizens of 40 countries have come under a hail of gunfire from the Israeli defence force.

This crime will not go unanswered by the government of Turkey which has invested heavily in the International diplomacy to try to come to the aid of the Palestinians under siege but the International community as a whole must respond.

Ambassadors must be recalled, Israeli ambassadors should be asked to leave and a whole review of the international community’s relationship with this criminal pirate state if Israel should now be launched

I will be giving a press conference in Houston in the morning and we will decide then what to do about the rest of the tour of the United States.

People should stay in touch with Viva Palestina, Viva Palestina Arabia was a partner in the flotilla and we send our condolences to the families of the dead, our sympathies to the wounded, our disappointment to the poor Palestinians under siege in Gaza who will not now receive the 20 million dollars worth of charitable aid given from all over the world to try to make their lives just a little bit easier.

This disaster cannot go unanswered, for the International community to stand up and be counted and to stop treating the law breaking rogue state as if it were a respectable member of the United Nations

This is George Galloway from Houston Texas sending my most sincere condolences to all those gravely affected by this crime.

Now after the incident took place there was a flurry of activity. This Israeli statement would put satirists out of a job, satire incarnated as Mark Twain would say.



DEPUTY FM AYALON:

Good morning, everyone. ]I want to report this morning that the armada of hate and violence in support of the Hamas terror organization was a premeditated and outrageous provocation. The organizers are well-known for their ties to Global Jihad, Al-Qaeda and Hamas. They have a history of arms smuggling and deadly terror. On board the ship we found weapons that were prepared in advance and used against our forces. The organizers’ intent was violent, their method was violent, and unfortunately, the results were violent.

Israel regrets any loss of life and did everything to avoid this outcome. We repeatedly called upon the organizers and all those who were associated with them, through diplomatic channels and any other means we could, to stop this provocation.

The so-called humanitarian aid was not for a humanitarian purpose. Had it been for a humanitarian purpose, they would have accepted our offer to deliver all humanitarian supply through the appropriate channels which are used on a daily basis, as we make sure that Gaza will not be in short of humanitarian supplies. On a daily basis, we do that. We ask them to send this through the appropriate channels, whether it’s the U.N., whether it’s the Red Cross, whether it’s our people, but to no avail.

In fact, what they said was that it’s a humanitarian campaign, but they said repeatedly that their intent and purpose was to break the blockade, the maritime blockade, on Gaza. The maritime blockade on Gaza is very legal and justified by the terror that Hamas is applying in Gaza. Allowing these ships to go in an illegal way to Gaza would have opened in fact a corridor of smuggling arms and terrorists to Gaza, with the results, inevitable results, of many, many thousands of civilian deaths and violence all over the area.

After these repeated calls where not heeded by the organizers, we told them that they will not be allowed to break the blockade, as according to maritime law we have the right to do that. Unfortunately, they also, people, the organizers upon the ship, did not heed the calls of our forces this morning to peacefully follow them and bring a closure, a peaceful closure, to this event.

No sovereign country would tolerate such violence against its civilian population, against its sovereignty, against international law. And we in Israel call today upon all relevant parties and all relevant countries to work together on calming the situation. Thank you very much. [/QUOTE]

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/no-words/

For example Israeli commandos claiming they didn’t attack them they attacked us, or the outrageous behaviour of the activists as they dared to defend themselves from attack. No doubt the Israeli media will describe them as ‘lynch mob’ ‘thugs’, ‘Iranian agents,’ ‘Al Qaida’, ‘terrorists’. I also wonder if the Israelis will sink as low as trying and plant weapons on the ships to discredit the humanitarian convoy.

However During the day Israeli propaganda did improve. We had our good friend Mark Regev heroically defending the indefensible. I was particularly impressed with his lie that if only the flotilla docked at an Israeli port, the Israelis would kindly transport all goods to the Gazans, I’m sure Goebbels would be impressed. The subtle racism is also worth drawing attention to. Note how Israeli is entitled to do whatever it takes to ‘defend’ itself by ‘whatever’ means yet the Palestinians are not permitted to do the same and the existential threat they face is far far worse, they are trying to prevent their people becoming a victim of politicide.

However they maybe some glimmers of hope. Many of Israeli backers are becoming unhappy at Israelis two bit thuggery, check out this comment piece from the Financial Times not exactly a radical outfit




Attack on blockade-busters damages its legitimacy

With yesterday’s brazen act of piracy, Israel dealt a blow to the legitimacy of its own struggle. The killing of activists aboard the captured ships sent Israel’s way of defending its security, which it was already imperative to return within the bounds of international law, hurtling into lawlessness.

Israel claims the activists had links with extremist groups and that some attacked Israeli soldiers with knives and sticks (and in some accounts the odd light firearm). Even if true, this would not justify the illegal capture of civilian ships carrying humanitarian aid in international waters, let alone the use of deadly force.

Outrageous as this behaviour was, the true outrage is the illegal blockade of Gaza that it enforced. Since the January 2009 Gaza war, which exposed Israel’s determination to destroy Hamas’s capabilities regardless of the cost to innocent Palestinians, Israel and Egypt have colluded to prevent the enclave’s reconstruction. According to the United Nations, three-quarters of the damage has not been repaired and 60 per cent of homes do not have enough food.

The ostensible goal is to weaken Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood offshoot that rules Gaza (and whose Egyptian incarnation is Hosni Mubarak’s only real opposition ). But the blockade aimed at crushing it, besides the illegal collective punishment it implies, only shores up Hamas’s support. If Israel and Egypt wanted to turn Gaza into a mafia-run statelet, they could hardly do better than sever any alternatives to Hamas’s smuggling network, leaving the population even more at its mercy.

Hamas engages in terrorism and fires occasional rockets into Israel, but it is an example of that rarest of Middle Eastern species: a popularly elected government. It has also signed up to the 2002 comprehensive peace offer by the Arab League and the Organisation of the Islamic Conference. If this is a bluff, it is one Israel has yet to call. That is what this is ultimately about. Israel’s government has been pretending it is ready to negotiate for peace, but that there is no one to negotiate with on the other side. The attack on the blockade-busters lays bare the country’s slide into contempt for international law, intolerance of dissent and wilful sabotage of viable representation for Palestinians.

Israel has always known the importance of its conduct being judged legal by the world’s leading powers. Those powers – in the body of the Quartet and the UN Security Council – must now make clear it has gone too far.

and even Israel papers are despondent



State of insanity

Gaza flotilla drives Israel into a sea of stupidity


Of course the peace flotilla will not bring peace, and it won’t even manage to reach the Gaza shore. The action plan has included dragging the ships to Ashdod port, but it has again dragged us to the shores of stupidity and wrongdoing

By Gideon Levy

The Israeli propaganda machine has reached new highs its hopeless frenzy. It has distributed menus from Gaza restaurants, along with false information. It embarrassed itself by entering a futile public relations battle, which it might have been better off never starting. They want to maintain the ineffective, illegal and unethical siege on Gaza and not let the “peace flotilla” dock off the Gaza coast? There is nothing to explain, certainly not to a world that will never buy the web of explanations, lies and tactics.

Only in Israel do people still accept these tainted goods. Reminiscent of a pre-battle ritual from ancient times, the chorus cheered without asking questions. White uniformed soldiers got ready in our name. Spokesmen delivered their deceptive explanations in our name. The grotesque scene is at our expense. And virtually none of us have disturbed the performance.

The chorus has been singing songs of falsehood and lies. We are all in the chorus saying there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. We are all part of the chorus claiming the occupation of Gaza has ended, and that the flotilla is a violent attack on Israeli sovereignty - the cement is for building bunkers and the convoy is being funded by the Turkish Muslim Brotherhood. The Israeli siege of Gaza will topple Hamas and free Gilad Shalit. Foreign Ministry spokesman Yossi Levy, one of the most ridiculous of the propagandists, outdid himself when he unblinkingly proclaimed that the aid convoy headed toward Gaza was a violation of international law. Right. Exactly.

It’s not the siege that is illegal, but rather the flotilla. It wasn’t enough to distribute menus from Gaza restaurants through the Prime Minister’s Office, (including the highly recommended beef Stroganoff and cream of spinach soup ) and flaunt the quantities of fuel that the Israeli army spokesman says Israel is shipping in. The propaganda operation has tried to sell us and the world the idea that the occupation of Gaza is over, but in any case, Israel has legal authority to bar humanitarian aid. All one pack of lies.

Only one voice spoiled the illusory celebration a little: an Amnesty International report on the situation in Gaza. Four out of five Gaza residents need humanitarian assistance. Hundreds are waiting to the point of embarrassment to be allowed out for medical treatment, and 28 already have died. This is despite all the Israeli army spokesman’s briefings on the absence of a siege and the presence of assistance, but who cares?

And the preparations for the operation are also reminiscent of a particularly amusing farce: the feverish debate among the septet of ministers; the deployment of the Masada unit, the prison service’s commando unit that specializes in penetrating prison cells; naval commando fighters with backup from the special police anti-terror unit and the army’s Oketz canine unit; a special detention facility set up at the Ashdod port; and the electronic shield that was supposed to block broadcast of the ship’s capture and the detention of those on board.

And all of this in the face of what? A few hundred international activists, mostly people of conscience whose reputation Israeli propaganda has sought to besmirch. They are really mostly people who care, which is their right and obligation, even if the siege doesn’t concern us at all. Yes, this flotilla is indeed a political provocation, and what is protest action if not political provocation?

And facing them on the seas has been the Israeli ship of fools, floating but not knowing where or why. Why detain people? That’s how it is. Why a siege? That’s how it is. It’s like the Noam Chomsky affair all over again, but big time this time. Of course the peace flotilla will not bring peace, and it won’t even manage to reach the Gaza shore. The action plan has included dragging the ships to Ashdod port, but it has again dragged us to the shores of stupidity and wrongdoing. Again we will be portrayed not only as the ones that have blocked assistance, but also as fools who do everything to even further undermine our own standing. If that was one of the goals of the peace flotilla’s organizers, they won big yesterday.

Five years ago, the noted Peruvian writer Mario Vargas Llosa, who is a Jerusalem Prize laureate, after concluding his visit to Israel, said the Israeli occupation was approaching its grotesque phase. Over the weekend Vargas Llosa, who considers himself a friend of Israel, was present to see that that phase has since reached new heights of absurdity.

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/state-of-insanity/
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~Taalibah~
06-02-2010, 09:05 PM
Not sure if this has been posted or not..

Israel has started releasing the 700 activists it captured after it troops stormed a flotilla of ships carrying humanitarian aid to Palestinians in Gaza.

Turkey sent three planes, including two military ambulance aircraft, to bring its nationals home.

Six Greek passengers returned to Athens on Tuesday after being expelled from Israel.

On Wednesday morning, another 124 passengers reached Jordan after being freed.

Here are excerpts of what some of the freed passengers had to say:

Mohamed Vall, Al Jazeera reporter

The Israeli assault took those of us on the ship by complete surprise.

During that hour an half in the early morning everybody on board the ship thought that no-one would survive the Israeli attack because we saw about 30 war vessels surrounding this ship and helicopters attacking with very luminous bombs, the sound of them makes you think you are dead

That was a fear of war, complete war, on a ship that was full of men, women and even children.

The first soldiers on the ship were not killed, they were not shot at, they were captured by the defenders of the ship.

Moments later another bigger helicopter landed more troops and this time they fired immediately at people and killed as many as they could so that they could reach the cabin and take control of the ship.

I saw blood spilt on the ship and everyone knew that there was no weapons. we all knew the Israelis would intercept us and try to stop us, but we didn't think that they would open fire at the first moment.

I have been shown the picture of a Yemeni man, and this is ridiculous, who was on the ship and most people know that every Yemeni in the world has a Yemeni style knife, that is a cultural thing and does not have anything to do with violence.

I understand now that in Israel they are trying to make a big deal about that, saying that the boat was full of violent people and just because of that one man. '

Othman Battiri, Al Jazeera crew member

At 4:15, tens of Navy boats carrying tens of soldiers tried to board the ships. They were met by resistance. Peaceful resistance. Helicopters came and tried to download soldiers. They could not.

At that moment, they started firing live ammunition.

First, they fired sound and gas bombs and rubber bullets. Some people were injured from the rubber bullets. Then, live bullets were used. I saw several men being wounded. We tried to help some of the wounded. I saw four people who were killed.

I saw two people die before my eyes. One of them had a bullet in the chest. The other was bleeding but I did not know where he was shot.

We went down to see the other dead people. One had a bullet in his head as if he was hit by a sniper. Live bullets were every where.

They did not respect that all those on the ships were civilians. There were no weapons.

There was not firing by the activists on the soldiers. As media we stand witnesses on that.

They four dead people that I saw were all Turkish. Two were old men. The other two were younger. One of the young people was a coordinator in the media room. His name is Juwdat.

We heard that more people were killed. I only saw four. Most of the fighting took place on the upper level around the room of ship captain, where the activist tried to prevent the soldiers from trying to control the captain’s room. This is where live ammunition were used.

The attack started at 4:15 and ended around 5:30 when we heard that the ship was controlled by the Israeli's.

Around 7:00 they asked us to leave our rooms and they started tying our hands.

Hazem Farouq, Egyptian MP from the Muslim Brotherhood

Helicopters were flying above us. Four military ships and 10 Navy boats surrounded us. They rained us with sound and gas bombs as if we were in real war.

Four people died before my eyes and in my hands. We could not find any first aid material. What happened required a field hospital to treat the injured. I did not have the necessary material to treat their bleeding wounds.

When we tried to carry the injured, the Israeli soldiers refused to allow men to carry the wounded. They pointed their guns with laser light toward their heads. They asked women to carry the wounded. Some women could not.

The wounded were very hurt because they were not carried in the proper way through the stairs and narrow doors.

Farouq is a dentist who was on board Mavi Marmara, the lead ship of the flotilla. He spoke to Al Jazeera after arriving in Cairo.

Issam Zaatar, Al Jazeera cameraman

I was filming, and then he [an Israeli solider] ran after me with a stun gun.

He could not catch me. One of his colleagues hit my hand from behind with a stun gun. My camera fell down. He ran to crush the camera with his feet.

I told him, don't break my camera. If you want the tapes, I will give them to you. I told him these are media equipment. They had no limits.

They used rubber bullets. They used tear gas bombs. It was an unbelievable scene.

Haneen Zubi, Palestinian member of the Knesset

We were expecting the Israeli army to stop us, to prevent us from entering but surely we didn't expect such a war against us.

It was 14 ships which approached us, nearly at 4.30 in the morning. Fourteen ships that I could count and one helicopter. Maybe more than 10 soldiers, I couldn't say exactly [how many] were getting out of the helicopter.

On the second floor of the ship there were just passengers who are journalists, a nurse and organisers of the flotilla who didn't have anything in their hands.

After 20 minutes, maybe 15 minutes, there were three dead bodies.

It ended at six, when a voice from the microphone said the ship was controlled by the Israelis, 'please enter the rooms'.

Norman Paech, former member of the German parliament

This was not an act of self-defence [by the Israeli army], but rather it was completely disproportionate - although we were counting on our ship being blocked and maybe checked.

This was a very serious offence, this was a war crime.

I personally saw two and a half wooden sticks which were used [by activists].

We had not prepared in any way to fight. We didn't even consider it.

No violence, no resistance - because we knew very well that we would have absolutely no chance against soldiers like this.

Mihalis Grigoropoulos, Greece

I was steering the ship, we saw them [Israeli soldiers] capture another ship in front of us, which was the Turkish passenger vessel with more than 500 people on board and heard shots fired.

We did not resist at all, we couldn't even if we had wanted to. What could we have done against the commandos who climbed aboard?

The only thing some people tried was to delay them from getting to the bridge, forming a human shield. They were fired upon with plastic bullets and were stunned with electric devices.

There was great mistreatment after our arrest. We were essentially hostages, like animals on the ground.

They wouldn't let us use the bathroom, wouldn't give us food or water and they took video of us despite international conventions banning this.

Nilufer Cetin, Turkey

We stayed in our cabin and played games amid the sound of gunfire.

My son has been nervous since yesterday afternoon ... I did not need to protect my son.

They knew there was a baby on board. I put a gas mask and life jacket on my son.

We did not experience any other problems on board, only a water shortage.

We took walks on the deck, played games with my son. The curtains were drawn, so I did not see the raid as it was happening. I only heard the voices.

There are lightly and heavily wounded people.

There are thousands, millions of babies in Gaza. My son and I wanted to play with those babies. We planned to deliver them aid. We wanted to say: 'Look, it's a safe place, I came here with my baby-son.'

I saw my husband from a distance, he looked okay. The ship personnel was not wounded, because they [the soldiers] needed them to take the ship to port.

I will go again if another ship goes.

Cetin returned to Istanbul airport with her one-year-old son.


Youssef Benderbal, France

The instructions were clear. Do not provoke, remain calm and go to meet them [the commandos] saying 'we are pacifists and not terrorists'.

Masked commandos took possession of the ship. They were aiming for the captain's cabin.

Benderbal was not on board Mavi Marmara, the lead ship of the flotilla, but on one of the other five ships. He gave this account to Europe 1 radio after arriving at a Paris airport.


Dimitris Gielalis, Greece

Suddenly from everywhere we saw inflatables coming at us, and within seconds fully equipped commandos came up on the boat.

They came up and used plastic bullets, we had beatings, we had electric shocks, any method we can think of, they used.

Gielalis was on board the ship Sfendoni.

Mutlu Tiryaki, Turkey

When we went up to the deck, they emerged from helicopters and military boats and attacked us.

They approached our vessel with military ships after issuing a warning. We told them we were unarmed. Our sole weapon was water.


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Argamemnon
06-03-2010, 12:54 AM
Activists Describe Experience: Israel Cold-Bloodedly Attacked Us!

Freed activists who were transfered to Jordan early on Wednesday after being hauled off a Gaza-bound aid flotilla accused Israeli commandos who carried out the raid of killing passengers cold-bloodedly.

"What happened was unbelievable. The way the criminal Israeli soldiers beat us and killed Turkish activists in cold blood was like a bloody movie. They could have arrested them," Morrocan MP Abdelqader Amara, 47, told AFP in a hotel in Amman. "The Israelis used live ammunition and showed us all the barbarism and cruelty in the world although all of us were unarmed. The Israelis beat some of them up with the butts of their rifles before they shot them dead."

The Israeli enemy early Wednesday deported to Jordan 126 people it held after Monday's raid, among them 30 Jordanians as well as nationals from Bahrain, Kuwait, Morocco, Syria, Algeria, Oman, Yemen, Mauritania, Indonesia, Pakistan, Malaysia and Azerbaijan.

Amara said the attempt by the "Peace Flotilla" to breach the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip had served to highlight the "crimes" of the Zionist entity. "What we did has exposed the Zionist entity to the world because its crimes took place in international waters. They did not warn us at all before storming the ship. It was a nightmare," said Amara. He added that he and seven other Moroccans were to head home later Wednesday.

"We were beaten, humiliated, insulted and stripped of our clothes. An Algerian MP nearly lost his eyes after the Israelis beat him," said another passenger, Salha Nuweisreyh, 51, of Algeria.

Najwa Sultan, 48, also from Algeria, said Israel treated the activists as if they were terrorists. "We were deprived of basic rights. They handcuffed us after the raid and kept us waiting under the sun for many hours. It was inhuman," said Sultan. "I think we have achieved our goal and broke the blockade despite all what happened. Israel has gone mad and it will not continue to exist forever."

Around 28 Algerian nationals are expected to head home on Thursday.

Meanwhile, eighteen Kuwaiti activists returned home on Wednesday, accusing Israeli troops of having opened fire without warning. The activists, including MP Waleed al-Tabtabai and six women, were flown home aboard a government plane from Jordan after crossing by bus from the occupied territories early Wednesday, following hours of delay.

"Israeli commandos started shooting from the air without warning," lawyer Mubarak al-Mutawa, who was on the main vessel, the Turkish-flagged Mavi Marmara, told reporters. "They killed a number of volunteers even before landing aboard the ship," he said on arrival at Kuwait Airport.

Young activist Ali Buhamd said he saw an "Israeli soldier shooting and killing a wounded Turk in the head" and that "soldiers left another wounded Turk to bleed to death despite repeated appeals for help."

"I assure you that no one from the aid volunteers had any firearms. We had no other weapons, except kitchenware, and the volunteers did not start any resistance," Mutawa said.

http://almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/NewsD...67&language=en
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Woodrow
06-03-2010, 01:12 AM
I guess they thought that activists like Hedy Epstein were a threat to Israel:

http://joti2gaza.org/2010/05/29/hedy...gaza-flotilla/

Those ZPCs (Zionist Pork Chops) will attack anybody who tries to help a Palestinian. Even an 80 year old Holocaust survivor.
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-Elle-
06-03-2010, 01:40 AM
"What happened was unbelievable. The way the criminal Israeli soldiers beat us and killed Turkish activists in cold blood was like a bloody movie.
When I first heard of this attack, I imagined just that. I haven't expressed my opinion here because truly words escape me. I can't begin to discuss this matter without getting emotional, angry, frustrated, you name it.Honestly this is sickening, absolutely sickening. I feel more anger than sadness now when I hear of these things. All we can do is wait for yom al Qiyama, that day, inshAllah all will get what they deserve. I can't begin to imagine the grief of the families who lost loved ones on this trip. Inna lillahi wa ilayhi raji3oon.

Jazak'Allah kher to all those who share found articles here.
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Argamemnon
06-03-2010, 02:12 AM
Muslims will never learn - look at what this Fatah traitor says...

Fatah's Azzam Al-Ahmad: Gaza Doesn't Need Food, Humanitarian Supplies

Senior Fatah Movement official, Azzam Al-Ahmad, told the German News Agency (DPA) that the Gaza Strip did not need humanitarian or food supplies. The Fatah Central Committee member stressed in his telephone call with DPA the Palestinian Authority of Mahmoud Abbas was securing the needs of the Strip on daily basis. “I confidently say that Gaza does not need humanitarian or food supplies because the PA is securing all of this. The PA sends 200 trucks into Gaza, not through Rafah but through other crossings,” he told the Genrman News Agency. “These trucks are always full of food supplies, medicaments, and fuel,” he added.

http://almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/NewsD...70&language=en
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marwen
06-03-2010, 03:28 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
Muslims will never learn - look at what this Fatah traitor says...

Fatah's Azzam Al-Ahmad: Gaza Doesn't Need Food, Humanitarian Supplies

Senior Fatah Movement official, Azzam Al-Ahmad, told the German News Agency (DPA) that the Gaza Strip did not need humanitarian or food supplies. The Fatah Central Committee member stressed in his telephone call with DPA the Palestinian Authority of Mahmoud Abbas was securing the needs of the Strip on daily basis. “I confidently say that Gaza does not need humanitarian or food supplies because the PA is securing all of this. The PA sends 200 trucks into Gaza, not through Rafah but through other crossings,” he told the Genrman News Agency. “These trucks are always full of food supplies, medicaments, and fuel,” he added.

http://almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/NewsD...70&language=en
That's why Palestine is still occupied : because of these traitors. Mahmoud Abbas and his company are just zionists with arabic names.
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جوري
06-03-2010, 04:09 AM
didn't his kid become a kaffir?
one of those top hamas people had a kid turn kaffir and go abroad.. amazing stuff.. sob7an Allah
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shuraimfan4lyf
06-03-2010, 04:21 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
didn't his kid become a kaffir?
one of those top hamas people had a kid turn kaffir and go abroad.. amazing stuff.. sob7an Allah
Yes, he admitted that he spied for Israel.

New York (CNN) -- The son of a founder of the Palestinian militant group, Hamas, Tuesday told CNN that he was a spy for Israel.

For 10 years, Mosab Yousef said he gathered information about Hamas terrorist plots and fed them to Israel's domestic security service Shin Bet.

Yousef, in an exclusive interview with CNN's Christiane Amanpour, said he did it because he came to believe that Hamas was practicing "exceptional cruelty" against its members and "killed people for no reason."

He has now written a book, "Son of Hamas" detailing his exploits from his new base in the United States where he has lived since 2007. CNN could not independently confirm his story and Israel has refused to comment.

In the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, a former Israeli handler said of Yousef: "One insight of his was worth 1,000 hours of thought by top experts."

Yousef told CNN: "They offered me to work for them. My goal was to be a double agent and attack them from the inside."

But then his views changed. Watch the full interview here

"After I was tortured by Shin Bet I was transferred to prison [where] Hamas tortured Hamas members and I became confused who was really my enemy ... I accepted to meet Shin Bet."

Yousef said he agreed to spy on Hamas and that his decision was partly a moral one. "My people did not understand this. Shin Bet is committed to a constitution but Hamas targets civilians. There's a difference between targeting a terrorist and civilians."

He said that in part his transformation was due to spiritual reasons. "Later on, I became a Christian, during that time, the first few months, and I was convinced by the principle of loving your enemies. And I saw that my enemy, who I thought that they were my enemies, they had morality, they had their responsibilities more than my own people."

He added: "As a Shin Bet agent, when I had information I helped arrest people, otherwise they hit randomly. When I specified a particular person I had a condition - not to kill that person ...

"In 10 years working for Shin Bet I am not responsible for killing one terrorist. I care about my people, my problem was their [Hamas'] ideology.

His father, Sheikh Yousef, is serving time in an Israeli prison. He recently wrote a letter from jail saying that the whole family "inclusively and exhaustively denounce our eldest son."

An attorney for the elder Yousef obtained a statement last week from the father saying Hamas knew of his son's contact with Israeli intelligence and adding that he "was not on any day an active member in the ranks of Hamas."

Asked if he feels in danger because of what he's done, Yousef says he is not afraid. "Death is not the worst thing that can happen to a human being, physical death. The worst, spiritual and soul death. This is what really scares me."

The Israeli government, including Shin Bet, has not offered CNN official comment, and his family has broadly denied his story. But an intelligence source told Amanpour that the core claims are true, this is a "modus operandi of how Israeli agents work," to penetrate the opposite side, to try to get as much information as possible.

But the source added some of the high profile claims of thwarting terrorism or helping with high-level captures are "gross exaggerations."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/...spy/index.html
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جوري
06-03-2010, 04:26 AM
and so his father is no different.. just a couple of turds sailing in a cesspool .. glad he converted to christianity.. I can't think of a more becoming religion for a traitor!

:w:
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glo
06-03-2010, 06:49 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
I guess they thought that activists like Hedy Epstein were a threat to Israel:

http://joti2gaza.org/2010/05/29/hedy...gaza-flotilla/

Those ZPCs (Zionist Pork Chops) will attack anybody who tries to help a Palestinian. Even an 80 year old Holocaust survivor.
What an amazing woman!
That video brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for sharing, Woodrow.
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Yusuf Saeed
06-03-2010, 09:09 AM
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Apparently one of the ships that was supposed to join the flotilla earlier but couldn't due to technical problems is still on its way to Gaza. They are planning to reach there tomorrow night or early Saturday morning. I'm afraid though that the Israelis will act no differently than they did with the other ships.

Source: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...271744165.html
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sister herb
06-03-2010, 10:47 AM
Hundreds of Gaza aid survivors from a Turkish-led aid flotilla after Israeli attack landed at Istanbul early on Thursday, given a hero's welcome by thousands of cheering supporters waiting at the airport.

The planes, carrying 466 activists as well as bodies of 9 people that were killed in the attack, landed at Istanbul's Ataturk Airport at short intervals.



Three Turkish planes that bore the activists from Tel Aviv to Turkey also carried the simple wooden coffins of the nine killed when Israeli commandos stormed the ships trying to take aid to Gaza.

"We've been scared, frightened, kidnapped and attacked with battleships while we were taking aid to needy people in Gaza," said Mustafa Ahmet, a British citizen of Turkish origin.



As activists descended from the planes at Istanbul's Ataturk airport they lifted their arms in defiance, but afterwards some were overcome with emotion and wept.

The majority of the 466 people aboard the planes were Turkish with some Irish, British, Norwegian, Dutch and Spanish citizens among them.



Turkish State Minister & Deputy Premier Bulent Arinc and a number of officials welcomed the THY planes which also brought back four Justice and Development (AK) Party deputies who went to Israel to help the volunteers.

Speaking to reporters while waiting for the arrival of the planes at the airport, Arinc said, "For now, diplomacy has succeeded, however, Israel will be asked within the framework of laws to pay for the murders it has committed".



Arinc said that the Turkish justice ministry had also launched the necessary initiatives in order to follow the issue within the scope of criminal and international laws.

Addressing the crowd waiting at the airport for the activists as well, Arinc said, "We have all condemned this unfair, cruel and barbaric attack which was totally an act of piracy".



Arinc noted that the Turkish government had expressed its condemnation over the incident and informed the world on such injustice just like Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan had done in his speech at AK Party's latest group meeting.

Pointing to the declaration signed by all the political parties in the Turkish parliament which condemned the Israeli attack, the Turkish deputy premier also said necessary actions would be taken in line with such declaration.

"Israeli soldiers dead bodies into sea"

Several activists said, the death toll was higher than nine, and accused the Israeli army of hiding bodies and destroying forensic evidence.



"The soldiers shot a doctor who surrendered and they threw dead bodies into the sea. We still don't know what happened to them," said Bulent Yildirim, chairman of the IHH, the Turkish charity which organised the convoy.

He said Israeli commandos had forced activists to kneel with their hands behind their backs after they stormed the flotilla, and helicopters circling overhead poured cold sea water onto them.



Kevin Ovenden of Britain said a man who had pointed a camera at the soldiers was shot directly through the forehead with live ammunition, with the exit wound blowing away the back of his skull.

Many of those waiting at Istanbul's Ataturk airport carried Palestinian flags and bore slogans such as "murderer Israel", while one group of protesters tore up an Israeli flag. Hours earlier thousands had demonstrated in a central Istanbul square.



On Monday, an Israeli raid on the convoy of ships with more than 600 people on board killed 9 people and injured nearly 30 others.

The Turkish vessel was the largest of the six vessels in the aid convoy and it was here that the deadly attacks took place.

"Best treatment in Turkey"

Earlier Wednesday, Turkish Health Minister Recep Akdag was on hand at a military base near Ankara to receive two seriously wounded activists, one Turkish and one an Irish national, as they flew in from Israel.

Early Thursday a Greek military plane repatriated 31 Greeks, three French citizens and an American, the Greek foreign ministry said.

Greek alternate foreign minister Dimitris Droutsas welcomed the activists at the military airfield of Elefsina where the C-130 touched down after 3:00 am (0000 GMT).

Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told reporters he had asked US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to intervene during their meeting in Washington Tuesday.



No one has the right to prosecute people kidnapped in international waters," he said.

(from other forum)
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piXie
06-03-2010, 11:31 AM


Get your MP to sign up to Flotilla EDM


A parliamentary Early Day Motion (EDM) calling for a full investigation and an end to the blockade of Gaza has been tabled by Richard Burden MP and will be presented when the House of Commons sits this afternoon.

An Early Day Motion (EDM) is a formal motion submitted for debate in the House of Commons. They are used for publicising the views of individual MPs and drawing attention to specific events or campaigns. An MP can add their signature to an EDM to show their support for a particular cause or point of view.


!! Get your MP to sign up to it !!



WHAT YOU NEED TO DO



1. Check whether your local MP has signed these EDMs by going to:

http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDe...px?EDMID=41043

Can you see your MP's name there?

2. If your local MP's name is not on these EDMs then please contact them to sign up. (Please 'phone and e-mail them):

- 'phone your MP on: 0207 219 3000 (House of Commons switchboard, ask for your MP's Office)

- E-mail your MP: http://www.writetothem.com/

Fill in the online form and in the "Subject" box please put the EDM you want your MP to sign up to, or put both i.e. "EDM 127".

The EDM is as follows:

EDM 127 ISRAEL AND GAZA FLOTILLA by Burden, Richard

That this House is appalled by the loss of life associated with Israel's attack on the flotilla of ships carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza; notes that UK and other nationals have been held by Israel despite the attack having taken place in international waters; endorses the call of the United Nations Secretary General for a prompt, impartial, credible and transparent investigation conforming to international standards; recognises that Israel's blockade which has destroyed the economy of Gaza and deepened poverty still inflicts widespread suffering and, by imposing collective punishment on the people of Gaza, is itself contrary to international law; and calls on the international community to require Israel to end its blockade and to redouble international efforts to secure a lasting settlement with a secure and independent state of Palestine alongside a secure and independent Israel.

Please feel free to post your responses below so others can use them for inspiration.

source: here
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Argamemnon
06-03-2010, 06:38 PM
A respected Turkish scholar - he is not even very 'traditional' or 'conservative' - says that if you side with enemies of Muslims, or if you don't feel any love towards Muslims of other races, you have abandoned Islam completely. If this is true, then a very large number of Turks (and probably Arabs and other Muslims too) fall into this category. Arabs hate other Arabs, or as we have seen in this case; Palestinians side with the enemies of Palestinians, this is unbelievable and beyond absurdity! God knows best.
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جوري
06-03-2010, 07:59 PM
Israel Lays Out Case for Its Own Flotilla Probe


Updated: 2 minutes ago

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JERUSALEM (June 3) -- As Turkey held emotional funerals for the nine pro-Palestinian activists killed in this week's Israeli assault on the Turkish-flagged ship Mavi Marmara, Israel faced increasing pressure for an international inquiry into the event.

Turkish officials said that a forensic inquiry found that eight of the dead are Turkish nationals and the ninth is a U.S.-Turkish dual national. The inquiry said that all bore bullet wounds, according to Agency France-Presse. The Turkish daily Hurriyet reported that attendees at a joint funeral in Istanbul for eight of the dead chanted anti-Israeli slogans.

Dogan Family Archive/AP
American citizen Furkan Dogan, shown here in a November 2008 family photo, was one of nine activists killed in Israeli's assault on a Turkish-flagged ship on Monday.


Turkish authorities identified the U.S. citizen as Furkan Dogan, 19, a university student who was to be buried in his home town of Kayseri in central Turkey. The teen, who had dual U.S.-Turkish citizenship, had been shot at close range five times, including four bullets in the head, reported the Anatolian news agency.

Sources at The Turkish ambassador in Israel has already been recalled, and some in Turkey are urging the government to completely cut off diplomatic relations with Israel. Turkey's energy minister today said that Turkey has suspended all energy and water projects with Israel. South Africa today also recalled its ambassador for consultations in a sign of disapproval of Israel's actions.

Another aid ship, the Irish-registered Rachel Corrie, was expected to delay its planned voyage to Gaza until it could be fitted out with live video transmission capabilities so that any confrontation with Israeli troops could be broadcast live, CNN reported. The ship had been expected as early as Friday afternoon.

Israel has launched its own military inquiry into the events of May 31, but many even in Israel say the military cannot effectively investigate itself. The Geneva-based Human Rights Council on Wednesday announced it will set up its own "fact-finding" panel to look into Monday's attack. The same group commissioned jurist Richard Goldstone's 2009 report on fighting between Israel and Hamas in Gaza. Israel refused to cooperate with Goldstone, saying the Human Rights Council is an anti-Israel body, and it reject the report's conclusions.

Vadim Ghirda, AP
Mourners carry the coffin of a victim of the Israeli raid on Thursday in Istanbul.


Israeli government sources say President Barack Obama has offered a compromise, in which Israel will conduct an independent inquiry with a U.S. observer. That is being seen as a way for Israel to avoid a U.N. independent probe beyond the one already begun by the Human Rights Council.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has not responded to this idea, but Israeli press reports said Defense Minister Ehud Barak opposed it.

"It is our standard practice after military operations, especially operations in which there have been fatalities, to conduct a prompt, professional, transparent and objective investigation in accordance with the highest international standards," said Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev.

A senior official in the prime minister's office told AOL News that there are "at least 20" recent cases in which the armies of democratic countries, including the U.S. and Germany, killed many more civilians than Israel killed on the Turkish ship.

"In all of these cases, who investigates?" he asked rhetorically. "The army of the country involved. That's how democratic countries work."

Support for an independent commission with a U.S. observer however, did come from Israel's foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman.

"We have no need to fear any commission of inquiry," he said today. "I told the prime minister that we should create a commission of inquiry that is open and transparent."

Debate continued today over what exactly happened in the pre-dawn darkness on Monday. Israel continued to maintain that its forces were attacked by some of the pro-Palestinian activists on the ship who were lying in wait for the soldiers with knives and clubs and that the soldiers acted in self-defense after several activists grabbed their weapons and began firing.

The Israeli army today released video footage of an interview with one of the ship's passengers for Press TV taken before the Israeli soldiers boarded. In the footage, he tells the interviewer how he twice before tried to become a martyr, or shahid, and then says, "Third time lucky, with the help of God I will be a shahid (martyr)."


Some of the activists on the ship maintain that they did not present a threat to the soldiers.

"Yes, we took their guns," Bulent Yildirim, the head of the Turkish charity IHH that organized the aid convoy, told the Reuters news agency, referring to the soldiers. "[But] we threw all the guns we took from them into the sea."

He said that the Israeli commandos fired rubber bullets from close range before switching to live ammunition after some activists on board attacked them with chairs and bats. He also said that an Indonesian doctor was shot in the stomach as he helped a wounded Israeli soldier.

Meanwhile, Hamas in Gaza has refused to accept at least 20 trucks of humanitarian supplies taken off the six ships that tried to break the blockade of Gaza. Hamas officials and a spokesman for Israel's defense ministry said the aid, including medical supplies, clothing, blankets and toys, was being held at the Kerem Shalom crossing between Israel and Gaza.

"The government decided not to receive any aid until the occupation releases all those who are held," Ahmed al-Kurd, the Hamas minister for social welfare, told the Bloomberg news agency. "We will accept all of the aid or none of it."

Israel says it has released all of the foreigners who were on the ship except for a few who remain in Israeli hospitals. Israeli officials said all humanitarian aid on the ship may enter Gaza, but Israel will not allow cement or other building materials in. The activists say the cement is meant to rebuild homes Israel destroyed in Gaza, but Israel says Hamas could use the cement to build bunkers.
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article...ttack/19501699

:haha: of course written by a gradstein, like her closing statement .. smooth PR move..
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shuraimfan4lyf
06-03-2010, 08:12 PM
Israel says it has released all of the foreigners who were on the ship except for a few who remain in Israeli hospitals. Israeli officials said all humanitarian aid on the ship may enter Gaza, but Israel will not allow cement or other building materials in. The activists say the cement is meant to rebuild homes Israel destroyed in Gaza, but Israel says Hamas could use the cement to build bunkers.
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article...ttack/19501699

of course written by a gradstein, like her closing statement .
I knew they would do that..I just knew it! Like I said they would not let the building materials go to Ghazza because they want Ghazza to be some unknown third world city. Alla7omma a'izzal islama wal muslimeen, Alla7umma a'izzal-Islama wal-Muslimeen, wa adhillash-shirka wal-Mushrikeen, wa dammir a'daa'ad-deen, Alla7omma ansur ikhwana fee filisteen, Alla7omma ansur ikhwana fee filisteen, Alla7umma ansur mujahideena fee sabeeli, Alla7umma ansur mujahideena fee sabeeli..Laa illaha Illa anta subhanak inna kunna minath thalimeen.
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جوري
06-03-2010, 08:18 PM
ameen ameen ameen ya rabb..
Allhouma unsar ikhwanona almostad3feen fi mashari al'ard wa maghribha.. wa dammer alkufar walmoshrkeen wa a3onihim..

:w:
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almahdali
06-03-2010, 08:42 PM
I have a friend who lives in Israel right now and I still consider him as a brother, instead he's also from the ahlul-bayt family but he has to become a Jews due to his father's family negligence and he fled away from our country to Israel, I feel so ashamed to G-d that our brother had to undergo a life like that and he's still young. now he has to serve IDF. I hope he quickly finished up the IDF service and just return to the US if not returning back to our country, I feel bad for him and his life is quite.

What Israel did to the people on the ships are so cruel as they are actually unarmed, I also heard from Kol Israel radio that the MP Haneen Zo'abi will have to face the consequence because telling the world on what happened to the world and they also had planned to kill Sheikh Raed Salaah, may G-d bless the Muslim in Israel and keep them safe too, not only those in Gaza Strip and West Bank :'(
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Supreme
06-03-2010, 09:42 PM
Turkey has held funerals for nine activists killed in Israel's raid on a Gaza aid flotilla amid emotional scenes.

The bodies were flown from Israel to Istanbul, along with more than 450 activists, to a heroes' welcome.

Israel has said there is no need for an international inquiry into the incident, insisting its own will meet the "highest international standards".

The UN Human Rights Council (HRC) voted earlier to set up an investigation.

US President Barack Obama has described the situation as "tragic".

But in an interview on CNN, to be aired later, he also says Israel does have "legitimate security concerns" in Gaza.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...t/10226151.stm

A sad day for Turkey, having to mourn the dead of this brutal and fatal incident.
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marwen
06-03-2010, 09:58 PM
Obama described this week's flotilla incident, in which nine activists were killed and dozens, including Israeli soldiers, were wounded, as a "tragic situation" but also said it needed to be used as an opportunity to advance the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, CNN said.





U.S. President Barack Obama was quoted in a television interview on Thursday as saying the deadly Gaza flotilla incident was "tragic," but expressing hope it could somehow provide an opening to boost Middle East peace efforts.
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he said Israel "has legitimate security concerns" about the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip, the network said on its website. But he also said Israel's blockade of Gaza "is preventing people" from pursuing economic opportunities,"
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The Obama administration has taken a relatively cautious line while Israel faces international condemnation over the deaths of nine pro-Palestinian activists, including a 19-year-old American, aboard a ship carrying supplies to Gaza on Monday.
U.S. officials have said the incident underscores the need to make progress in indirect U.S.-brokered peace talks that began last month and have failed so far to make much headway. But analysts and many people in the region believe the incident is more likely to undermine fledgling peace moves.

source..

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As usual Obama is convinced that everything can be repaired just by making speech, speech and speech. "YES WE CAN", you remember?
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shuraimfan4lyf
06-03-2010, 10:18 PM
Meh, I dont give a jack about what the U.S. Presidents say. Bunch of puppets who cant say or do a thing on their own...To me it really does not matter of what U.S. is going to do about Israel. Israel gets aid from them and all that, but they are slowly trying to deteriorate from U.S. support. Remember when Hillary said thing or two against Israel about the settlements?? What did Israel do? did they say "Yes Mam, we will stop this right now" or was it the opposite. I am sure she got summoned by Israeli lobby for blurting out such things. In the end, its all going to end up in a massive war, Muslims vs. Zionists, in which Muslims will prevail by the Help of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. insha'Allah.
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Nájlá
06-03-2010, 10:22 PM
Obama needs to get a life! What change has he provided us with? Allah almust'aan.... I don't care about his boring speeches.

format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf
I knew they would do that..I just knew it! Like I said they would not let the building materials go to Ghazza because they want Ghazza to be some unknown third world city. Alla7omma a'izzal islama wal muslimeen, Alla7umma a'izzal-Islama wal-Muslimeen, wa adhillash-shirka wal-Mushrikeen, wa dammir a'daa'ad-deen, Alla7omma ansur ikhwana fee filisteen, Alla7omma ansur ikhwana fee filisteen, Alla7umma ansur mujahideena fee sabeeli, Alla7umma ansur mujahideena fee sabeeli..Laa illaha Illa anta subhanak inna kunna minath thalimeen.
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
ameen ameen ameen ya rabb..
Allhouma unsar ikhwanona almostad3feen fi mashari al'ard wa maghribha.. wa dammer alkufar walmoshrkeen wa a3onihim..

:w:
Allahumaa Aameen^^^

I wish i was in one of them ships imsad
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islamirama
06-03-2010, 10:24 PM
Glenn Greenwald Destroys MSNBC's Israeli lapdog Apologist


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j3XH...layer_embedded



It is a Crime to attack a ship on International Waters. Israel Doesn't own it. Due to this blockade, 60% of the Children in Gaza have anemia, the entire Palestine Economy has collapsed.

When the blockade was first imposed, the Israel Prime Minister's top aid - The purpose is to put the Palestine people on Diet.

Here's what Glenn had to say about his appearance..

I was just on MSNBC talking about Israel, the Gaza blockade and the flotilla attack with Eliot Spitzer, who was guest-hosting for Dylan Ratigan. It was a rather contentious discussion, though quite illustrative of how Israel is (and is not) typically discussed on American television, so I'm posting the whole 8-minute segment below. Two points: (1) before I was on, Spitzer had on an Israel-defending law professor, followed by Netanyahu's former Chief of Staff, and both of them (along with Spitzer) were spewing pure Israeli propaganda in uninterrupted and unchallenged fashion; at the end of Spitzer's discussions with them, he asked them to "stick around just in case," and once I was left, he brought at least one of them back on to respond to what I said without challenge; (2) literally 90 seconds before my segment was about to begin, the new cam and sound system I just acquired stopped working, forcing me to unplug everything and use only my laptop cam and mic, which caused the technical aspects to be less than ideal (though still perfectly workable)
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marwen
06-03-2010, 10:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf
Meh, I dont give a jack about what the U.S. Presidents say. Bunch of puppets who cant say or do a thing on their own...To me it really does not matter of what U.S. is going to do about Israel. Israel gets aid from them and all that, but they are slowly trying to deteriorate from U.S. support. Remember when Hillary said thing or two against Israel about the settlements?? What did Israel do? did they say "Yes Mam, we will stop this right now" or was it the opposite. I am sure she got summoned by Israeli lobby for blurting out such things. In the end, its all going to end up in a massive war, Muslims vs. Zionists, in which Muslims will prevail by the Help of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. insha'Allah.
Ameen !

If Israel decided one day to bomb the US, they will still support israel. It's really disturbing how the US strongly want to be always Israel's Dog.
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astrogirl
06-04-2010, 01:29 AM
isreal has become a rouge state with the backing of the us, it is a bigger devil then the U.S.

remember that assassination in dubai using canadian passports, canadians who went to isreal and were asked if they could use their passport, i heared of one guy who said he is wanted for a murder he didnt' commit.

isreal has attacked lebanon several times

isreal has nuclear weapons, and when it is condemned for having them they point their fingers straight at iran.

and now they attack a ship of unarmed civilians and cry victim when their disgusting behaviour disgusts the rest of the world

this is an article from colorlines, an american webmag that deals with issues of race and color.

http://colorlines.com/article.php?ID=727

and another one i just found from the huffington post, duel american/turkish citizen who was shot four times in the head at close range.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_599173.html

i personally don't care what barack has to say, he is being spinless, in the end this will bit him in the butt.
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sister herb
06-04-2010, 05:25 AM
Putting Names To Faces
Lawrence of Cyberia



June 3, 2010

A brief introduction to the nine Turkish people shot dead on 31 May 2010, by Israeli soldiers who attacked the Turkish vessel M.V. Mavi Marmara, as it attempted to transport humanitarian aid to the people of the Gaza Strip.

1. Ibrahim Bilgen, 61, an electrical engineer from Siirt. Member of the Chamber of Electrical Engineers of Turkey. Married with 6 children.



2. Ali Haydar Bengi, 39, from Diyarbakir. Graduate of Al-Azhar University, Cairo (Department of Arabic literature). Married with 4 children.



3. Cevdet Kiliçlar, 38, from Kayseri. Originally a journalist, later an aid worker with the Humanitarian Relief Foundation (IHH). Married with two children. Participating in an IHH African relief project.



4. Çetin Topçuoglu, 54, from Adana. Former amateur soccer player and taekwondo champion, who coached Turkey's national taekwondo team. Married with one son.



5. Necdet Yildirim, 32, an IHH aid worker from Malatya. Married with a three-year-old daughter.



6. Fahri Yaldiz, 43, a firefighter who worked for the Municipality of Adiyaman. Married with four children.



7. Cengiz Songür, 47, from Izmir. Married with seven children.



8. Cengiz Akyüz, 41, from Iskenderun. Married with children aged 14, 12 and nine.



9. Furkan Dogan, 19, student at Kayseri High School; planned to become a doctor. Son of Dr. Ahmet Dogan, Assoc Prof at Erciyes University. A Turkish-American dual national, with two siblings.



http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/n...-to-faces.html

http://www.uruknet.com/?p=m66629&hd=&size=1&l=e
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syilla
06-04-2010, 08:07 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Troubled Soul

If you had a gun, wouldn't you want to blow his head off? Its the same old **** every time! Lies, lies and **** more lies!

Turkey Zindabad!
ya Allah........ i feel like throwing shoes to the monitorrrrr :hmm:
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Bittersteel
06-04-2010, 09:29 AM
This has got to be the most pathetic thing ever done by the Israelis.Hats off to all those activists,I don't care the western people say,what they did was right and simply because of the fact that it WAS right.
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sister herb
06-04-2010, 10:45 AM
By the international laws of shipping those ships were sailing under flag of Turkey at the international waters and by this reason they were counted as territory of Turkey nation. Passangers were full rights to defend themselves agains kidnappers. Any kind of reason what zionists try to give as "reasons" are just excuses why they (and only they) have right to broke law.
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Ramadhan
06-04-2010, 10:50 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb

9. Furkan Dogan, 19, student at Kayseri High School; planned to become a doctor. Son of Dr. Ahmet Dogan, Assoc Prof at Erciyes University. A Turkish-American dual national, with two siblings.



http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/n...-to-faces.html

http://www.uruknet.com/?p=m66629&hd=&size=1&l=e

It seems the US governments does not mind that one of their citizens was killed in barabaric way by the israelis (it was reported that he was shot four times in his head at close range).
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Supreme
06-04-2010, 11:35 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
It seems the US governments does not mind that one of their citizens was killed in barabaric way by the israelis (it was reported that he was shot four times in his head at close range).
Y'know, I found that strange, too. Does the US only react to the ill treatment of its nationals at non-Israeli hands? I only hope that if he was a British citizen, the British government would be giving Jerusalem a lot of hassle right now.
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marwen
06-04-2010, 01:25 PM
Upcoming Canada wide demonstrations


Please forward any scheduled world wide demonstrations to webmaster@normanfinkelstein.com or visit gazafreedommarch.org for a full list of demonstrations.


DEMONSTRATIONS
Note that the following activities are not organized by CJPME, but by local solidarity groups active in the specified cities as noted. Cities are listed in alphabetical order.


Halifax, NS

Date: Friday, June 4, 2010
Time: 4:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Location: Maritime Mall (Aliant Bldg., where the passport office is)
Departure: Barrington Street and Spring Garden Road

Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010
Time: 1:00 p.m. - 2:30 p.m.
Location: Victoria Park
Departure: Spring Garden Road at South Park St.
Organizers: Ad Hoc Committee to Defend Palestine
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Hamilton, ON

Date: Friday, June 4, 2010
Time: 5:00 p.m.
Location: Federal Government Building in Hamilton
Departure: 55 Bay St. North
Organizers: Hamilton Coalition to Stop the War
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London, ON

Date: Friday, June 4, 2010
Time: 4:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
Location: Victoria Park
Departure: Central & Richmond
Organizers: Canadian Palestinian Association, London People for Peace, C Friends of Sabeel (London) PAL Student Association.
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Montreal, QC

Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010
Time: 1:30 p.m.
Departure: corner Peel and Ste-Catherine
End point: The Old Port of Montreal
Bring a small tent to plant on site!
To build a camp where we will all be ''refugees of Gaza'' waiting for the ships transporting humanitarian aid to arrive.
Organizers: Coalition for Justice & Peace in Palestine (CJPP), Solidarity for Palestinian Human, Rights (SPHR), Tadamon! Montreal, Palestinian and Jewish Unity (PAJU)
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Ottawa, ON

Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010
Time: 3:00 p.m. - 4:30 p.m.
Location: Human Rights Monument
Departure: Elgin and Lisgar
Organizers: Ottawa Palestine Solidarity Network
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Penticton, BC

Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010
Time: Noon
Location: Stockwell Day's Office
Organizers: Penticton Peace Groups
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Quebec City, Qc

Date: Friday, June 4, 2010
Time: 5:00 p.m.
Departure: corner of Honoré-Mercier Avenue, Grande-Allée Blvd. W. and St-Louis St.
Organizers: Collectif de Québec pour la paix
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Toronto, ON

Date: Friday, June 4, 2010
Time: 5:00 p.m. - 9:00 p.m.
Location: Israeli Consulate
Street: 180 Bloor Street West

Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010
Time: 1:00 p.m. - 3:00 p.m.
Location: Israeli Consulate
Street: 180 Bloor Street West
Organizers: Coalition Against Israeli Apartheid (CAIA), Palestine House Community Centre, Canadian Arab Federation (CAF), Toronto Coalition to Stop the War (TCSW), Canadian Peace Alliance (CPA)
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Vancouver, BC

Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010
Time: 1:00 p.m.
Location: Vancouver Art Gallery (Georgia Side)
Street: 750 Hornby Street, Vancouver, BC
Organizers: Solidarity for Palestinian Human Rights - UBC, Canada Palestine Association, Independent Jewish Voices, Canada Palestine Support Network (CanPalNet), Boycott Israel Apartheid Campaign (BIAC), No One Is Illegal, Stop War Vancouver
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Victoria, BC

Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010
Time: 11:00 a.m.
Location: Centennial Square (near fountain)
Street: Douglas and Pandora
Organizers: Coalition Against Israeli Apartheid, Central American Solidarity Committee, Victoria Peace Coalition, Victoria Goods For Cuba.
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Waterloo, ON

Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010
Time: 1 p.m.
Departure: SLC Courtyard, Waterloo University campus
Organizers: Students for Palestinian Rights
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Winnipeg, MN

Date: Friday, June 4, 2010
Time: 4:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m.
Departure: Broadway Avenue and Osborne Street
Organizers: Peace Alliance Winnipeg, Independent Jewish Voices, and CanPalNet

source : Norman Finkelstein Newsletter
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Argamemnon
06-04-2010, 04:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
June 3, 2010

A brief introduction to the nine Turkish people shot dead on 31 May 2010, by Israeli soldiers who attacked the Turkish vessel M.V. Mavi Marmara, as it attempted to transport humanitarian aid to the people of the Gaza Strip.
Interesting that most of these people are from eastern parts of Turkey where people are sill dedicated to Islam, unlike the "white Turks" in the West.
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shuraimfan4lyf
06-04-2010, 08:57 PM
Not all of the people who are supporting Ghazza are dedicated to Islam..As you can see many of the women who were on the boats were Muslim without hijabs. I think most of them were supporting for sake of Humanity. may Allah guide them to the right path and guide them to wear hijab.
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Argamemnon
06-04-2010, 09:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf
Not all of the people who are supporting Ghazza are dedicated to Islam..As you can see many of the women who were on the boats were Muslim without hijabs. I think most of them were supporting for sake of Humanity. may Allah guide them to the right path and guide them to wear hijab.
The number of women wearing hijabs are declining in Turkey. Some hijabis have boyfriends and they celebrate Valentine's Day and eat out with their lovers. I have stopped reading about the decline of Islam in Turkey because it was very depressing. I've decided to save myself and forget about everybody else.
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Woodrow
06-04-2010, 09:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by rabimansur
:sl:

What purpose is served by a blockade of humanitarian aid? I don't get it. What is Israel afraid of that they would blockade humanitarian help for Gaza??? I just don't understand these people.

http://http://www.creative-i.info/20...t-top-stories/

??????

Anybody know what Israel's rationale is for the blockade?

I find it interesting that the western media has not picked up on this story at all.

:wa:
:sl:

The answer is genocide of all Palestinians. The ZPC has no concern if the Palestinians are Muslim, Christian or Jew. the goal is to get rid of Palestinians.

It seems the prison camp conditions of Gaza are to push the Palestinians into violence and allowing the Zionist Pork Chops to massacre Palestinians and call it self protection.
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Argamemnon
06-04-2010, 09:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
:sl:It seems the prison camp conditions of Gaza are to push the Palestinians into violence and allowing the Zionist Pork Chops to massacre Palestinians and call it self protection.
This is what most westerners fail to grasp; the Zionists leave Palestinians absolutely no choice but to resort to violence. This is exactly what these criminals want in order to continue their occupation and terror. It's a Satanic game.

:w:
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Seeker1066
06-05-2010, 03:03 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf
I was at 7-Eleven just few mins ago, and I know the worker there. He was like brother, this morning I got into argument with a caucasian male about the whole Flotilla issue. The white male said "All arabs should die so the world could be in peace" and etc etc. The worker is a non-muslim, but he was defending the Turkish Flotilla alhamdulillah. I like when I meet people like him in USA, because it shows atleast there are some people with Aql in the west. :w:
I have been telling everyone here how criminal and immoral were Israel's actions. Free Palestine.
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Seeker1066
06-05-2010, 03:27 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
This is what most westerners fail to grasp; the Zionists leave Palestinians absolutely no choice but to resort to violence. This is exactly what these criminals want in order to continue their occupation and terror. It's a Satanic game.

:w:
If this was a terrorist planned event someone forgot to tell the former US Ambassador who was along to protest the blockade.


http://windowintopalestine.blogspot....ward-peck.html
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Güven
06-05-2010, 10:21 AM
israel strikes again.

Israeli soldiers board Gaza-bound aid ship

The MV Rachel Corrie is carrying some 750 tonnes of aid heads towards the blockaded Gaza Strip.


There are 11 passengers on board the Rachel Corrie. (AFP)

Israeli forces have seized an Irish-owned ship bound for Gaza, boarding the Rachel Corrie close to the Gaza shore.

"The ship has been boarded and there was full compliance from the crew and passengers on board," a spokeswoman for the Israeli Defence Force (IDF) said.

The IDF says no helicopters were used and there were no reports of violence.

It says the boat will be brought to Ashdod Port where goods will be inspected and transferred to Gaza via land crossings.

The move came after the Rachel Corrie refused to respond to four requests from the navy to head for the southern Israeli port of Ashdod, and stayed its course for the Gaza Strip.

The Irish-owned vessel - named after American pro-Palestinian activist Rachel Corrie, who was killed in the Gaza Strip in 2003 - has 11 passengers on board.

It is carrying tonnes of aid for Gaza, including cement, which Israel bans because of concerns it could be used to produce weapons.

Before the boat was seized, IDF spokeswoman Lieutenant Colonel Avital Leibovich told the group they must come to Israel if they want the aid to make it to Gaza.

"If the goal of this flotilla, or this boat specifically, is to bring material into Gaza then we have no problem, but why do it the illegal way?" she said.

"There is a marine blockade around Gaza, and not for just the fun of it. Only six months ago we found a civilian ship coming from Iran here to Ashdod Port filled with munitions and weaponry."

The apparently peaceful ending to the standoff comes just five days after the Israeli naval commandos raided another aid ship heading for Gaza.

The operation left nine foreign activists dead and scores wounded, including seven Israeli soldiers.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...section=justin
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Nájlá
06-05-2010, 10:23 AM
Another aid ship on way to Gaza

Nine activists were killed when Israeli military raided an aid ship trying to break the Gaza siege [Reuters]

Malaysia's government has urged Israel not to take any action that could harm people aboard a Malaysian-funded Irish aid ship, now heading to Gaza.

The MV Rachel Corrie is carrying 11 activists, including Mairead Corrigan, a Nobel Peace laureate, and eight crew members, just days after another aid vessel was boarded by Israeli soldiers who killed nine activists.

Anifah Aman, Malaysia's foreign affairs minister, said in a statement issued late on Thursday that the Israeli authorities should ensure a safe passage for the vessel to Gaza to deliver the humanitarian cargo.

The Rachel Corrie is funded by Perdana Global Peace Organisation, a Malaysian non-governmental organisation headed by Mahathir Mohamad, the country's former prime minister.

The vessel hoped to arrive in Gaza on Saturday with a cargo of humanitarian aid.

Safe passage sought

Shamsul Akmar, one of the activists aboard the ship, told Al Jazeera that all the people on board are all peace activists.

"We do not know what to expect, but hope that we will be given safe passage to get the aid to Gaza," he said.

Despite fears of an Israeli attack, the peace activists are determined to try and break through the blockade.

"If the Israeli army attacks us and tries to board our ship, we will not attempt any resistance," Shamsul said.

"We will take our boat, as far as possible and if they do come on board forcefully, we will not resist."

The ship is named after an American woman who was killed by an Israeli military bulldozer in the Gaza Strip in 2003, while trying to protest a house demolition.

Brian Cowen, the Irish prime minister, asked Israel to permit the Irish-owned aid ship to dock in Gaza.

Israeli offer

Israel has offered to escort the vessel and deliver the civilian aid for it and said Egypt was prepared to do the same.

But the activists said that they were concerned that not all cargo would be delivered.

The ship has medical equipment, school supplies and cement, a material Israel has banned from entering Gaza.

Avigdor Lieberman, the Israeli foreign minister, said that Israel would not allow its Gaza blockade to be breached.

"No ship will reach Gaza. The Rachel Corrie will not reach Gaza," he told Israel Radio.

Mathias Chang, an activist from the Perdana Global Peace Organisation on board the ship, said that they were aware of the risk that the Israelis may intercept them, but were still determined to go ahead.

"We have told the whole world, and we have told the Israeli media and television, that we are peace activists," Chang said.

"If and when they intercept us, we will be waiting on the top deck of the ship, with nothing but the clothes on our backs."

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...226156655.html
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جوري
06-05-2010, 03:27 PM
screw that turd of a colonial zionist settler state, who are they to block aid to anyone.. There is no time for peace with these turds, and the American kid who went unmentioned with four bullets in his head should really echo the kind of sick thoughtless pigs that they are with positively no regard for human life..

let's do our part and pray to God around their clock for their demise insha'Allah..they are a kind of cancer that doesn't belong to society if society wants to live in peace!

:w:
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Argamemnon
06-05-2010, 03:43 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Güven
"There is a marine blockade around Gaza, and not for just the fun of it. Only six months ago we found a civilian ship coming from Iran here to Ashdod Port filled with munitions and weaponry."
Someone should remind these thugs that Hamas and the Palestinian people under international law have every right to oppose the Zionist occupation. The United Nations Charter states:

(UN Charter art. 51) (6). The right to resist finds application within the framework of the right of legitimate defense because "a state which forcibly subjugates a people to colonial or alien domination is committing an unlawful act as defined by international law, and the subject people, in the exercise of its inherent right of self-defense, may fight to defend and attain its right to self-determination."(7)

There really is nothing to argue, of course they will say that Hamas attacks civilians. Why don't you give them advanced weapons then so they can target enemy soldiers?
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sister herb
06-05-2010, 03:54 PM
Turkish survivors recount terror on Gaza aid ship

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfIN0...layer_embedded
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Argamemnon
06-05-2010, 04:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
Turkish survivors recount terror on Gaza aid ship

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfIN0...layer_embedded
This is what I hate so much about westerners, this female reporter says that this incident has "further radicalized these people". Apparently they are too blind to see that the Israelis and westerners are the radicals and fanatics and warmongers, Muslims are the victims of their terror. This attitude is disgusting, attack and kill people, occupy their lands and then shamelessly label them as "radicals". Shame on all westerners with this mindset.
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shuraimfan4lyf
06-05-2010, 04:15 PM
These Israelis should be whipped with belts, in the streets while they are running for their lives. Can someone tell me, if the death toll was 9 or 20..:/
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Muslim Woman
06-05-2010, 04:26 PM
Salaam/Peace

Israelis Subdued Captain by Pointing Gun at a Child

By Layelle Saad

"It was hell on the sea. I saw Israeli soldiers killing activists in cold blood and then walking on their bodies."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25621.htm

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'Mad Dog' Diplomacy
A cornered Israel is baring its teeth


By Jonathan Cook in Nazareth

Moshe Dayan, Israel's most celebrated general, famously outlined the strategy he believed would keep Israel's enemies at bay: "Israel must be a like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25627.htm

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sister herb
06-05-2010, 04:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf
These Israelis should be whipped with belts, in the streets while they are running for their lives. Can someone tell me, if the death toll was 9 or 20..:/
There is no information how many victims there really was as some released activists have told that zionists throw many bodies to sea. Nobody knows were they died or still alive but wounded.

Knowing mentality of those zionist murderers everything is prossible.
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sister herb
06-05-2010, 04:58 PM
This is how zionists want others to see all this happening:

(zionist propaganda - be carefull)

Israeli Commando Who Killed Six Aid Workers to Receive Medal
Staff Sergeant Brags of Role in Massacre
Jason Ditz

June 4, 2010

Autopsies are coming out today revealing some details about the circumstances of the Israeli attack which left at least nine aid workers dead. Doctors say that several of the victims were shot in the head and that in at least one case the gun was just inches from the aid worker’s head when fired.

But additional information is also coming in in the form of a report from an unnamed Israeli staff-sergeant, who claims proudly to have single-handedly killed at least six of the civilian aid workers.

The staff-sergeant says he has no doubt everyone on board was a "terrorist" and claimed there were secretly dozens of "hardcore mercenaries" on board.

The staff-sergeant’s story is being well received in Israel, where the killings have been lionized by a sympathetic media and by government officials eager to cash in on the latest jingoist craze. He is now being praised for "stabilizing the situation" and is being considered for a medal of valor for his killings.

The Israeli military insists that, far from the straightforward massacre of civilians that it appears to be, they are the victims of a massive conspiracy to frame them, and that 50 "well trained" Turks with communication devices, who they said were likely ex-military, were on board shooting and throwing grenades at them. The fact that no grenades or guns or communication devices or, indeed, "terrorists" were found on board is being claimed as another coverup, that after the massacre the "terrorists" somehow had the presence of mind to throw all the evidence overboard. Exactly how they all disappeared themselves in unclear, but not a single captive was charged with any crime.

http://www.uruknet.com/?p=m66672&hd=&size=1&l=e
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Argamemnon
06-05-2010, 05:52 PM
Spanish activists for Gaza say Israel "targeted" Muslims in boat

Three Spanish citizens, who survived the Israeli operation on Gaza-bound aid ship, thanked Turkish government for its efforts.

The Spanish citizens including two volunteers and a journalist arrived in Barcelona on Friday.

Volunteer Laura Arau told reporters that they were able to leave Israel thanks to initiatives of Turkey, adding that Turkey paid their hotel expenses in Istanbul and bought plane tickets for Spain.

Also, Spanish journalist David Segarra said that Israel attacked citizens from 50 countries who aimed to extend humanitarian aid to Gaza.

Volunteer Manuel Tapial said that before they left for Gaza, they asked the UN to check the materials in the ships and also wanted politicians and governments to take measures however, nothing was made. Tapial said that they talked with some European friends in Istanbul, and they wanted to send another aid flotilla to Gaza within the next 4-5 months.

Telling his worst moment in the ship, Tapiel said that Israeli soldiers raided the ship and gathered everybody on the deck and handcuffed them. He added that the soldiers made Muslims kneel down, while offering benches to Europeans which was a racist approach.

On Monday, Israeli staged an operation against aid flotilla on its way to Gaza, killing nine people on board, eight Turkish citizen and an American of Turkish descent.
On June 2, two days after the Israeli raid, two military ambulance planes brought 19 injured activists back to Turkey.

Three Turkish Airlines (THY) planes, carrying activists who were detained by Israeli authorities, landed in Istanbul early on June 3.

The planes, carrying 466 activists as well as bodies of nine people who were killed in the attack, landed at Istanbul's Ataturk Airport at short intervals on June 3.

Turkey strongly protested Israel and recalled its ambassador.

http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=59514
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Nájlá
06-05-2010, 06:38 PM
This man is amazing.

Edward Peck replies to Daniel Carmon. part2

Edward Peck tells Isreal 'get a grip' lol Listen to what he says about Obama. This is pretty funny and so true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGAqxRnTHVQ&feature=
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shuraimfan4lyf
06-05-2010, 07:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Nájlá
This man is amazing.

Edward Peck replies to Daniel Carmon. part2

Edward Peck tells Isreal 'get a grip' lol Listen to what he says about Obama. This is pretty funny and so true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGAqxRnTHVQ&feature=
I Like that guy..I can feel uncomfortableness in the anchors voice after few mins lol..
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oumsaleh
06-05-2010, 08:46 PM
does anybody of you know the sheikh imran hoessein? he talkes about the age we are living in and that we are very close to the end of history..he explains why israel and the us are doing the things they do,that israel is planning a big war so that she can rule the world,have you ever asked you re self why this little country is rulling the world already,including the arab countries?why is everybody scared of this country? why the economy fell?dont forget that the jews own the banks..Sheikh imran hoesein answers al youre questions and he will open youre eyes..I have seen his lectures and they are really good..
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sister herb
06-05-2010, 10:02 PM
By the international laws of shipping (Law of the Sea) those ships were sailing under flag of Turkey at the international waters and by this reason they were counted as territory of Turkey nation. Instead to give medal to this murderer he should extradite as a criminal to police of Turkey and they should sue him to court about killing six citizens of Turkey.

Have you ever heard that this terrorist nation of Israhell respects any kind of laws? I haven´t.
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-05-2010, 10:03 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by oumsaleh
does anybody of you know the sheikh imran hoessein? he talkes about the age we are living in and that we are very close to the end of history..he explains why israel and the us are doing the things they do,that israel is planning a big war so that she can rule the world,have you ever asked you re self why this little country is rulling the world already,including the arab countries?why is everybody scared of this country? why the economy fell?dont forget that the jews own the banks..Sheikh imran hoesein answers al youre questions and he will open youre eyes..I have seen his lectures and they are really good..
Well. Yes. But the answers to these questions are very simple. I can actually give a simple answer
that would not require any war.

Israel Rules a big part of the world.

Muslims also rule the world. In fact a lot of it.

This is beacuse these two are related in a very special way to each other.
A way that does not require a war.

However, there are many who do not want to see the true solution
being initiated - and this is why we have the war.

The war is simply a deception - an attempt to make two forces which
should work together fight against each other.

I would advise everybody here to think about this point as it is very
very important - as you can for sure understand.
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Supreme
06-05-2010, 10:11 PM
An aid ship intercepted by the Israeli military while trying to break the blockade of Gaza has arrived in the Israeli port of Ashdod.

Israel says its soldiers boarded the Irish-owned Rachel Corrie from the sea and did not meet any resistance.

There has been no word from those on board, who include several activists.

The incident comes five days after nine people were killed in clashes when troops boarded a Turkish aid ship, prompting international criticism.

Israel says it will question those on board at the port and transfer the aid to the Gaza Strip by land after checking the cargo for banned items.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed the peaceful outcome to the operation.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...t/10245176.stm

Has Israel lost it? They've shown they clearly don't care what the international community thinks of them. Nevertheless, the ships will keep on coming unless the Israelis lift their blockade on Gaza.

I was reading about the Berlin Blockade in 1948-1949 today- that only lasted a year, and West Berliners only chose to stay put because Britain and America were flying in 8,000 tons of food and fuel a day. God knows how the Gazans are surviving with a three year blockade and no where near the amound of aid being flown in.
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shuraimfan4lyf
06-05-2010, 10:14 PM
Israel doesnt have anything to "loose" in first place. They bunch brainless ugly pigs and monkeys, who will be defeated soon inshaAllah
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Dagless
06-05-2010, 10:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf
I Like that guy..I can feel uncomfortableness in the anchors voice after few mins lol..
Both anchors are from Democracy Now, which is unbias (in fact some of the most vocal Israeli supporters have been completely owned on that show).
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sister herb
06-05-2010, 10:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf
Israel doesnt have anything to "loose" in first place. They bunch brainless ugly pigs and monkeys, who will be defeated soon inshaAllah
Israel has everything to lost. I have read they military doctrine before.

It says simply: Israel can´t lost any single war. That means to zionists they see any actions as attack to them.

This is Public information:

Basic Points

Israel cannot afford to lose a single war
Defensive on the strategic level, no territorial ambitions
Desire to avoid war by political means and a credible deterrent posture
Preventing escalation
Determine the outcome of war quickly and decisively
Combating terrorism
Very low casualty ratio

Prepare for Defense

A small standing army with an early warning capability, regular air force and navy
An efficient reserve mobilization and transportation system

Move to Counter-Attack

Multi-arm coordination
Transferring the battle to enemy's territory quickly
Quick attainment of war objectives



To them also humanitarian acts are attacks. Like sending ambulances to sick or wounded civilians or sending humanitarian workers by ships to Gaza.

imsad
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Dagless
06-05-2010, 10:39 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
Israel has everything to lost. I have read they military doctrine before.

It says simply: Israel can´t lost any single war. That means to zionists they see any actions as attack to them.

This is Public information:

Basic Points

Israel cannot afford to lose a single war
Defensive on the strategic level, no territorial ambitions
Desire to avoid war by political means and a credible deterrent posture
Preventing escalation
Determine the outcome of war quickly and decisively
Combating terrorism
Very low casualty ratio

Prepare for Defense

A small standing army with an early warning capability, regular air force and navy
An efficient reserve mobilization and transportation system

Move to Counter-Attack

Multi-arm coordination
Transferring the battle to enemy's territory quickly
Quick attainment of war objectives
Well not much point in having that list now. Hezbollah whooped their a** not too long ago.
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sister herb
06-05-2010, 10:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Dagless
Well not much point in having that list now. Hezbollah whooped their a** not too long ago.
By they doctrine of zionists "Transferring the battle to enemy's territory quickly" and they destroyed a lot of civilian houses and infrastructure and lives in Lebanon. Zionists stopped that war as they couldn´t beat Hezbollah as they couldn´t beat Hamas too.
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Rabi Mansur
06-06-2010, 12:21 PM
:sl:

Here is the basic legal position. Israel was in clear violation of international law. They obviously do not feel that they are bound by the rule of law as are other countries.


http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...rights&h=d6de7

Peace.
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sister herb
06-06-2010, 05:20 PM
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The photos show that they didnt want to kill soldiers, rather than kill them, as the IDF spokesperson cleverly spinned it. You have proof that commandos were literally in the arms of activists, if they wanted to kill them they would have done it on the spot.

If the aid workers wanted to kill these crying commandos they would have done it easly. They would have killed other soldiers by using these stupid guy's rifles but they just wanted to make them scare but the other soldiers came later and shot people randomly. Most of them were shot in the back what brave killers. if they knew that the other soldiers was going to shoot . Your crying commandos and many others was going to be dead.
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Argamemnon
06-06-2010, 06:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
By they doctrine of zionists "Transferring the battle to enemy's territory quickly" and they destroyed a lot of civilian houses and infrastructure and lives in Lebanon. Zionists stopped that war as they couldn´t beat Hezbollah as they couldn´t beat Hamas too.
Hizbullah will hit Israel very hard next time, even Haifa and Tel Aviv aren't safe. Hizbullah has made it very clear that they will strike Israel's infrastructure, the war will not only be on Lebanese territory this time. Hasan Nasrallah always lives up to his promises, it's never empty words masha'Allah.
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Argamemnon
06-06-2010, 07:01 PM
Israel: We Will Not Apologize to Turkey over Gaza Flotilla Deaths

Israeli Foreign Ministry officials said Saturday that Israel would not apologize to Turkey for the deaths of nine Turkish pro-Palestinian activists who were killed during the Israeli Navy's raid on the Turkish-flagged 'Freedom Flotilla' ship earlier this week.

A top official in the Israeli Foreign Ministry, who wished to remain anonymous, said that the Turkish demand for an official apology was mainly an excuse to allow Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's to cut diplomatic ties with Israel.

The Israeli foreign ministry officials said that they were surprised by the request for an apology which came from Turkey's Ambassador to Washington Namik Tan, as the demand was not relayed through any other diplomatic channels.

Tan, who was Turkey's ambassador to Tel Aviv before his U.S. appointment, was known to be a supporter of Israel, the officials said. "If he is speaking like this it is probably an official order he received from top officials in the Turkish government," an official said. "It seems that the deterioration is continuing and a complete cut in diplomatic ties is only a matter of time."

Meanwhile, Israeli Minister Dan Meridor canceled his participation in an international assembly taking place this week in Istanbul.

The summit, the Conference on Interaction and Confidence Building Measures in Asia, is sponsored by Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan and is focused on increasing security and cooperation in Asia.

Meridor canceled his participation due to security concerns in light of the rising anti-Israel sentiment in Turkey. Officials from the Israeli consulate in Istanbul and the Israeli envoy in Ankara will be taking Meridor's place.

http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/N...23&language=en
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Argamemnon
06-06-2010, 07:04 PM
Shame on Turkey and the traitor leadership (the army in particular) for not being harsher, with so much military, economic, political and diplomatic power still not using these at times like these. Unbelievable, I can assure everybody that they could do ten times more if they wanted.
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shuraimfan4lyf
06-06-2010, 07:36 PM
Honestly, I expected harsher response by Turkey as well. I thought they were going to completely cut diplomatic ties. The softer you response to actions like these by Israel, the more they will keep doing this kind of stuff.
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Argamemnon
06-06-2010, 07:42 PM
^^ Hasan Nasrallah said that he read an article in a Quwaiti newspaper which almost praised Israeli commandos for doing the right thing. With such traitors in the Muslim world humiliation is nothing but a PUNISHMENT from Allah.
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Banu_Hashim
06-07-2010, 07:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
Someone should remind these thugs that Hamas and the Palestinian people under international law have every right to oppose the Zionist occupation. The United Nations Charter states:

(UN Charter art. 51) (6). The right to resist finds application within the framework of the right of legitimate defense because "a state which forcibly subjugates a people to colonial or alien domination is committing an unlawful act as defined by international law, and the subject people, in the exercise of its inherent right of self-defense, may fight to defend and attain its right to self-determination."(7)

There really is nothing to argue, of course they will say that Hamas attacks civilians. Why don't you give them advanced weapons then so they can target enemy soldiers?
Salam Bro,

I tried looking for the article you quoted on the UN website, but I found something else worded slightly differently under article 51 of the UN charter: http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter7.shtml

Is it the same thing, but just a newer edition?
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جوري
06-07-2010, 08:02 PM
Helen Thomas ended up resigning over asking Jews to leave Palestine..

sob7an Allah.. so much for freedom of speech ey?
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piXie
06-07-2010, 08:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ

sob7an Allah.. so much for freedom of speech ey?
hmm. so much..
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Snowflake
06-07-2010, 09:00 PM
I hope we are remembering to pray for the destruction of Allah's enemies in all our duaas. Just as the candle flame burns fiercely just before it dies, so will the evil of the kuffar increase before they are defeated. Allah won't ever let the believers down. InshaAllah, it's just a matter of time.

"Or another example is that of a dark storm-cloud in the sky charged with thunder and lightning. They press their fingers to their ears at the sound of each stunning thunderclap for fear of death: Allah is encircling the unbelievers from all sides."[19] Quran - 2:19 al-Baqarah


Do not give up and do not be downhearted. You shall be uppermost if you are believers. (Surah Al ‘Imran, 139) … Allah will not let the disbelievers triumph over the believers. (Surat an-Nisa', 141)
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Rabi Mansur
06-08-2010, 03:18 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
Helen Thomas ended up resigning over asking Jews to leave Palestine..

sob7an Allah.. so much for freedom of speech ey?
Seeing her remarks made me wonder how many others in the press and administration "secretly" have the same viewpoint. The stormclouds are starting to gather...


Israel has really done itself a lot of long term PR damage with its arrogance.

:wa:
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جوري
06-08-2010, 04:13 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by rabimansur
Seeing her remarks made me wonder how many others in the press and administration "secretly" have the same viewpoint. The stormclouds are starting to gather...


Israel has really done itself a lot of long term PR damage with its arrogance.

:wa:
:sl:

I agree with you there, but the sad part is when 'freedom of speech' costs her, her job there, but is applauded when it is lewd and offensive language or drawings when it comes to Islam.. the double standard is so loud it can slap you in the face..

:w:
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Muslim Woman
06-08-2010, 04:39 AM
Salaam/Peace

Children Of Gaza

Are You Brave Enough To Witness Life In Gaza?

Must Watch Documentary

Surrounded by the remnants of the demolished Gaza Strip and increasingly isolated by the blockade that prevents anyone from rebuilding their homes and their lives, Children of Gaza is a shocking, touching and uniquely intimate reflection on extraordinary courage in the face of great adversity.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle25632.htm

Becoming Gods
Ethnically Cleansing Palestinians

By Chris Hedges.

Excerpts from a speech by Chris Hedges.
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle25636.htm

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The Tacitus Principle:
How Israel and its Apologists Defend the Indefensible

By Élise Hendrick

How to Lie With Sources: Terrorist Charities and Bogus "Intelligence Reports"
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle25638.htm

The Truth Behind the Israeli Propaganda

By Robert Fisk

The amazing thing in all this is that so many Western journalists - and I'm including the BBC's pusillanimous coverage of the Gaza aid ships - are writing like Israeli journalists, while many Israeli journalists are writing about the killings with the courage that Western journalists should demonstrate.
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle25634.htm

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The Hijacking of the Truth: Film Evidence 'Destroyed'

By Catrina Stewart

Soldiers fired down on the protesters from the helicopters before an Israeli soldier had even set foot on the ship. A man next to him was shot through the top of his head, dying instantly.
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle25637.htm

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The Audacity of Israel

By Cindy Sheehan

We here in the U.S. need to demand that our tax dollars stop going to help Israel violently occupy Palestine and help Israel be a major destabilization force in the region, but we also need to look at our own complicity.
http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle25635.htm

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shuraimfan4lyf
06-08-2010, 04:50 AM
A really good documentary on Ghazza by Ross Kemp..This is just 1 part of it. The part from 5:56 brought me into tears when I first watched it wallahi..:cry: :cry:..it was so sad to hear the gruesome stories from those little girls, she started to cry while talking about her parents murder in front of her at 7:59 :cry: :cry:. You can watch all of it on youtube.

Must watch..
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جوري
06-08-2010, 04:58 AM
:sl:

please if someone can get me the name of that little girl and boy who lost their parents. the boy's name is ahmed but not sure about the firl, I'd like to sponsor them.. are they living in a psych. ward or what? who is taking care of them?
I couldn't stand watching that.. may Allah swt bring about a swift demise to the enemies of Islam..

ameen ya rabb..
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shuraimfan4lyf
06-08-2010, 05:03 AM
Alla7omma Ameen, ya rabb :(

I dont know how to get more info on them, Its going to be really difficult to get their names sis lily. As there are thousands of orphans in Ghazza. They live in a clinic for orphans basically. If I get any info, I will inform you insha'Allah. :w:
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جوري
06-08-2010, 05:29 AM
Jazaka Allah khyran..I'd really appreciate that, you can PM their info. in private should you find them.. Allah yikhleek..
I know there are thousands of orphans and those two just broke my heart imsad
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Ramadhan
06-08-2010, 08:54 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
Helen Thomas ended up resigning over asking Jews to leave Palestine..

sob7an Allah.. so much for freedom of speech ey?

It's nice to see our in house atheists/agnostics/what-have-you who are normally ferocious about "freedom of speech" are now suddenly SILENT.
The sound of their silence is DEAFENING.
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M.A.S.H.
06-08-2010, 09:42 AM
She didn't ask them to leave. She said it's about time the got the hell out of there and move to Germany and Poland, leaving out the fact that more than half of Israeli population doesn't even originate from Europe.
She retired, though I am certain she was pressured. The lady has always held anti-Israeli view but this time she crossed the line for some apparently. I'm all pr freedom of speech and if I were her editor I would leave her alone. But when was the last time any journalist said a similar thing and got away with it? What if someone said Palestinians should pack their cases and go to Jordan and Egypt. Perhaps in the Israeli press but I doubt any major american paper would tolaratt that. In any case II don't think asking an entire peple to get the hell out of their country is helpful to the Palestinian and lebanese cause anyway. Besides I'm sure many people are with her, so its not exactly a defeaning silence.
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-08-2010, 09:47 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.A.S.H.
She didn't ask them to leave. She said it's about time the got the hell out of there and move to Germany and Poland, leaving out the fact that more than half of Israeli population doesn't even originate from Europe.
She retired, though I am certain she was pressured. The lady has always held anti-Israeli view but this time she crossed the line for some apparently. I'm all pr freedom of speech and if I were her editor I would leave her alone. But when was the last time any journalist said a similar thing and got away with it? What if someone said Palestinians should pack their cases and go to Jordan and Egypt. Perhaps in the Israeli press but I doubt any major american paper would tolaratt that. In any case II don't think asking an entire peple to get the hell out of their country is helpful to the Palestinian and lebanese cause anyway. Besides I'm sure many people are with her, so its not exactly a defeaning silence.
True. Good that someone is speaking reasonably.
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Argamemnon
06-08-2010, 02:26 PM
If I could find some Israeli tourists I would beat the **** out of them, but unfortunately I don't know how to find them.
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-08-2010, 02:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
If I could find some Israeli tourists I would beat the **** out of them, but unfortunately I don't know how to find them.
What's your problem? Are you a person? A person does not follow his urges like a sheep -
be focused.

The fact that you see something in a news report does not give you the right to hurt
anybody. You want to fight for the Palestinian people - fight for their cause by writing
on the internet and spreading the truth about their situation - If you want to be more
of a man then that - write the UN, american senators and governments over the world.

But if you want to use this situation to let go of violent urges on people you do not know
- this is not Gods way by any means. Implying that it is is a very wrong thing to do.
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Argamemnon
06-08-2010, 02:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Banu_Hashim
Salam Bro,

I tried looking for the article you quoted on the UN website, but I found something else worded slightly differently under article 51 of the UN charter: http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter7.shtml

Is it the same thing, but just a newer edition?
Salam brother,

hmm..mine is older I think, I sometimes save such things to my pc so that I can paste it quickly in a debate with pro-Zionists. lol
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جوري
06-08-2010, 03:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.A.S.H.
She didn't ask them to leave. She said it's about time the got the hell out of there and move to Germany and Poland, leaving out the fact that more than half of Israeli population doesn't even originate from Europe.
She retired, though I am certain she was pressured. The lady has always held anti-Israeli view but this time she crossed the line for some apparently. I'm all pr freedom of speech and if I were her editor I would leave her alone. But when was the last time any journalist said a similar thing and got away with it? What if someone said Palestinians should pack their cases and go to Jordan and Egypt. Perhaps in the Israeli press but I doubt any major american paper would tolaratt that. In any case II don't think asking an entire peple to get the hell out of their country is helpful to the Palestinian and lebanese cause anyway. Besides I'm sure many people are with her, so its not exactly a defeaning silence.
Perhaps you should have read some of the articles written about her 'closet anti-semite' .. I am not sure how much longer they can milk that term, considering they are not in fact semites..
the rest of your gibber makes no sense and can't be made akin to the current situation. . firstly the Palestinians didn't occupy Palestine to get out of it, and they shouldn't have to dissolve to neighboring states to accommodate the colonial cockroach state of Israel.. It should be in fact the other way around and that shouldn't make an 'anti-Semite' of a woman who spoke a word of truth to the face of tyrants and she certainly shouldn't have to be made to retire because of it..

work on your logic ey?
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جوري
06-08-2010, 03:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Ibn Yus
True. Good that someone is speaking reasonably.
I don't think anyone here thinks you a Muslim.. so why the false pretense? We are usually are very apt at spotting an outsider.. unanimously in fact the world over.. so whatever mission you are on, I feel it is really biting you in the ass and we still get the last laugh!
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جوري
06-08-2010, 03:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
It's nice to see our in house atheists/agnostics/what-have-you who are normally ferocious about "freedom of speech" are now suddenly SILENT.
The sound of their silence is DEAFENING.
No, they have been touting the 'anti-semite' crap around, and spreading it on, I am not sure how much more they can squeeze meaning out of it.. I have read some of the vilest comments against her yesterday but I am not surprised.. folks with a third grade education tend to be loud, puerile and fight for infantile causes like 'patriotism' and other similar meaningless terms while chugging their beer, playing with their blow up dolls and stuffing their ass with pork rinds and think they have the support of their mangod.. truly bird brains with massive steel!
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-08-2010, 03:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
I don't think anyone here thinks you a Muslim.. so why the false pretense? We are usually are very apt at spotting an outsider.. unanimously in fact the world over.. so whatever mission you are on, I feel it is really biting you in the ass and we still get the last laugh!
Lily, a man (or a woman) is not a judge for another mans believe. Let us remember that so that we do not become like those we oppose. ONLY Allah knows what is in a mans heart.

If you would read most of my posts you would see that almost all of them include the idea that Israel should be a Muslim state and that Islam should be a universal religion.

I do not however think that this should be done by sending anybody to any other place - simply because although it is wishful thinking - it is not practical. And I think that I am free to have this opinion.
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Argamemnon
06-08-2010, 03:22 PM
I always use http://www.islamic-relief.com/ for donations to Palestine.. is this the most reliable site?
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Argamemnon
06-08-2010, 03:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
I don't think anyone here thinks you a Muslim.. so why the false pretense? We are usually are very apt at spotting an outsider.. unanimously in fact the world over.. so whatever mission you are on, I feel it is really biting you in the ass and we still get the last laugh!
he does appear to be a collaborator against Muslims, it's futile to respond to such people.
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-08-2010, 03:40 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
he does appear to be a collaborator against Muslims, it's futile to respond to such people.
You know what - you are right. You caught me. I am a person who wants to see peace in Palestine and Muslims free to pray in the El-Aqza masque from all countries and actually dedicate most of my time for this purpose.

I am sorry for that, for "collaborating against Muslims" - really.

You know - sometimes when one has a problem it might be good to try new methods to solve it. Palestine has a problem - a serious one. I do not know if you have ever been there (I have) and all I want is this problem to
be solved and people there free to leave like human beings. If this is so bad and viewed by you as "collaborating against Muslims" then I am sorry.

I am also sorry if I have hurt your feelings or lily's but the situation really saddens me and I want to see Muslims acting in ways which would really be effective. The Muslim world is HUGE - think about it - we are around 60 times bigger, if not more, than the Zionists. If we would unite we would also be 60 times more powerful - but we cannot unite if we would not listen peacefully to one another.
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جوري
06-08-2010, 04:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Ibn Yus
Lily, a man (or a woman) is not a judge for another mans believe. Let us remember that so that we do not become like those we oppose. ONLY Allah knows what is in a mans heart.
Judgment as per your final destination indeed lies with God, judgment as your behavior as a Muslim is easy for anyone to pick to the very marrow!

If you would read most of my posts you would see that almost all of them include the idea that Israel should be a Muslim state and that Islam should be a universal religion.
I have read enough of yours posts to have a clue indeed what you are all about!
I do not however think that this should be done by sending anybody to any other place - simply because although it is wishful thinking - it is not practical. And I think that I am free to have this opinion.
You are free to have an opinion and we are free to comment on it indeed!

all the best
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جوري
06-08-2010, 04:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
he does appear to be a collaborator against Muslims, it's futile to respond to such people.
but it is so much fun to have a full out expose in my personal opinion..

:w:
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-08-2010, 04:56 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
Judgment as per your final destination indeed lies with God, judgment as your behavior as a Muslim is easy for anyone to pick to the very marrow!


I have read enough of yours posts to have a clue indeed what you are all about!


You are free to have an opinion and we are free to comment on it indeed!

all the best
Making holes in a complete piece of cloth is easy - everybody can do that. Taking a piece of cloth and making a dress out of it - is hard - a point for thought.
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جوري
06-08-2010, 04:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Ibn Yus
Making holes in a complete piece of cloth is easy - everybody can do that. Taking a piece of cloth and making a dress out of it - is hard - a point for thought.
a piece of cloth isn't sufficient to cover the subject!


all the best
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-08-2010, 05:01 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
a piece of cloth isn't sufficient to cover the subject!


all the best
I like the quote in your signature by the way - it is beautiful.

"who ever shows enmity to someone devoted to me I shall be at war with him...

.. the soul of My faithful servant : he hates death and I hate hurting him" (Al-Bukhari)
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جوري
06-08-2010, 05:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Ibn Yus
I like the quote in your signature by the way - it is beautiful.

"who ever shows enmity to someone devoted to me I shall be at war with him...

.. the soul of My faithful servant : he hates death and I hate hurting him" (Al-Bukhari)
Oh Good.. thank you.. you should know that the quote is speaking of someone who isn't only fulfilling the fard but also the nawafil that is what 'supererogatory' actually denotes!.. :)

all the best
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-08-2010, 06:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
Oh Good.. thank you.. you should know that the quote is speaking of someone who isn't only fulfilling the fard but also the nawafil that is what 'supererogatory' actually denotes!.. :)

all the best
Look Lily. I am sorry for my initial instinctive answer. It hardly implies what I wanted to say and I for sure
did not want to come up as offensive. If you
feel that what I am saying or said is wrong - please just say it to me and I will take it into
consideration - really. I have came to the forum to share views but also, and maybe above all, to learn. I think
that it is our first communication - if you ever feel that I say wrong things - simply tell me and
I will take it into consideration and be able to correct my mistakes. Nobody is perfect and I am for sure
as far from perfect than possible but I wish to learn and become better.
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Rabi Mansur
06-09-2010, 04:18 AM
I agree with you there, but the sad part is when 'freedom of speech' costs her, her job there, but is applauded when it is lewd and offensive language or drawings when it comes to Islam.. the double standard is so loud it can slap you in the face..
Ameen Uchti. Very good point. I can't believe how fast she called it quits. Huge double standard. Huge.

:wa:
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جوري
06-09-2010, 04:38 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by rabimansur
Ameen Uchti. Very good point. I can't believe how fast she called it quits. Huge double standard. Huge.

:wa:
she has made the news every day and they call her comment 'indefensible' lol.. what do they call the actions of Israel then? worthy of applause I guess!
amazing how they deflect from horror spanning decades with their double standard and fear mongering.. May God da mn them in this life and the one to come

ameen
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Ramadhan
06-09-2010, 04:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
she has made the news every day and they call her comment 'indefensible' lol.. what do they call the actions of Israel then? worthy of applause I guess!
amazing how they deflect from horror spanning decades with their double standard and fear mongering.. May God da mn them in this life and the one to come

ameen
Ameen to the du'a!

Oh, those evil people have no idea what awaits them!
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Insaanah
06-09-2010, 06:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
I always use http://www.islamic-relief.com/ for donations to Palestine.. is this the most reliable site?
Islamic relief is the largest, Muslim Hands and Muslim Aid are also good, as is Interpal.

Interpal is the British charity dedicated to helping the Palestinians.

Unfortunately the Israelis see Palestine as a malignant tumour (even though it was they who took over Palestinian land). A tumour is destroyed not only by killing it directly and prevent the cells from replicating, but also by preventing angiogenesis - a process by whereby new blood vessels develop to bring nutrients to the tumour to help it grow.

Similarly, Israel, by these blockades of aid to Gaza, is trying to prevent the development of any lifeline that may help the Palestinians.

Not only that, but Jews have also hurled false allegation after false allegation at Interpal, stating that it is supporting terrorism. The last of these almost resulted in closure of it's bank account, and an end to Interpal.

The provision of any kind of relief to Palestinians, whether by ship or through charity, infuriates Israel and some non-Israeli Jews.

Interpal has in the past sold bottles of Palestinian cold pressed extra virgin olive oil produced by Palestinian farmers; I don't know if they are still doing this.
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Muslim Woman
06-10-2010, 05:03 AM
Salaam/Peace

Poll: 49% of Americans Blame Pro-Palestinian Activists for Flotilla Death



By Haaretz

Ramussen poll: Only 19% of Americans believe Israel is to blame for clash aboard Gaza-bound aid ship Mavi Marmara last week.


http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle25659.htm


The Real Threat Aboard the Freedom Flotilla

By Noam Chomsky

For decades, Israel has been hijacking boats between Cyprus and Lebanon and killing or kidnapping passengers, sometimes holding them hostage in Israeli prisons.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25666.htm

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Where is the American Freedom Flotilla?

By Dr. Sama Adnan

Reacting to the complicity of their governments, the European Freedom Flotilla took the initiative to shed light on Israel's policies in the occupied territories. The American peace movement should emulate their success by setting its Freedom Flotilla a-sail.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25665.htm

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While Israel Kills and Maims ...
The Outrage at Helen Thomas


By ALISON WEIR

People shot in the head, eyes and brain parts destroyed, the elderly beaten, small children and infants caused to suffer and die, parents to grieve - none of this has caused a hint of anger. In fact, most of it has been considered of too little importance even to report. Instead, media reports are filled with outrage at "anti-Israel" words spoken by 89-year-old Helen Thomas.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25667.htm

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shuraimfan4lyf
06-10-2010, 05:05 AM
Not surprised^^^..Bunch of illiterate brainless people they are.
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جوري
06-10-2010, 05:16 AM
today a bunch of Jews were protesting in front of the U.S with 'shame on you turkey' Pickett signs .. between that and the 'travesty' that Helen committed asking them to go back to Europe **gasp** they have pretty much deflected the world's attention from the constant holocaust they impose daily on Palestinians..
I have to give it to them, they can take any situation to sway public opinion with their sob stories.. let me get out my violin.. it ha academy award written all over it!
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Candle
06-10-2010, 05:34 AM
Not surprised^^^..Bunch of illiterate brainless people they are.
I dunno. +5 million of those illiterate brainless people are Muslim, and it is the fastest growing faith in America.
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sister herb
06-10-2010, 08:18 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Candle
I dunno. +5 million of those illiterate brainless people are Muslim, and it is the fastest growing faith in America.
I know many muslims from USA and brainless or illiterate they aren´t.

:statisfie

Think a little what you write here!
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M.A.S.H.
06-10-2010, 10:19 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Insane Insaan
Islamic relief is the largest, Muslim Hands and Muslim Aid are also good, as is Interpal.

Interpal is the British charity dedicated to helping the Palestinians.

Unfortunately the Israelis see Palestine as a malignant tumour (even though it was they who took over Palestinian land). A tumour is destroyed not only by killing it directly and prevent the cells from replicating, but also by preventing angiogenesis - a process by whereby new blood vessels develop to bring nutrients to the tumour to help it grow.

Similarly, Israel, by these blockades of aid to Gaza, is trying to prevent the development of any lifeline that may help the Palestinians.

Not only that, but Jews have also hurled false allegation after false allegation at Interpal, stating that it is supporting terrorism. The last of these almost resulted in closure of it's bank account, and an end to Interpal.

The provision of any kind of relief to Palestinians, whether by ship or through charity, infuriates Israel and some non-Israeli Jews.

Interpal has in the past sold bottles of Palestinian cold pressed extra virgin olive oil produced by Palestinian farmers; I don't know if they are still doing this.
You're forgeting that this is just Gaza, two thirds of Palestinians live in the West bank and Israel.
Also keep in mind that not all Israelis support the blockade.
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M.A.S.H.
06-10-2010, 10:23 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
Perhaps you should have read some of the articles written about her 'closet anti-semite' .. I am not sure how much longer they can milk that term, considering they are not in fact semites..
the rest of your gibber makes no sense and can't be made akin to the current situation. . firstly the Palestinians didn't occupy Palestine to get out of it, and they shouldn't have to dissolve to neighboring states to accommodate the colonial cockroach state of Israel.. It should be in fact the other way around and that shouldn't make an 'anti-Semite' of a woman who spoke a word of truth to the face of tyrants and she certainly shouldn't have to be made to retire because of it..

work on your logic ey?
Palestinians are occupiers, they're the descendants of Muslims invaders the same way Israelis are the descendants of first zionists. The difference is that a longer period has passed since the Muslim invasion.
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aadil77
06-10-2010, 10:34 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.A.S.H.
Palestinians are occupiers, they're the descendants of Muslims invaders the same way Israelis are the descendants of first zionists. The difference is that a longer period has passed since the Muslim invasion.
difference is 'muslim invaders' didn't evict and commit genocide against the population to occupy
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sister herb
06-10-2010, 10:36 AM
Whose land is this?

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Yotam Nir: Israel existed millenia before 1948, and since then there was no independent country in Israel until we reestablished it. Before you call people idiots, make sure you don't make one out of yourself...

Anyway, I don't think stating an undeniable historical fact can be considered as an attack on Palestine or as idiotic.

Another fact is that the "Palestinian" nation was invented in 1967. Why didn't anyone complain when Egypt and Jordan controlled Gaza and the West Bank?...

(Please don't make a fool of yourself the next time you respond to my "idiotic mouth")


This was his response to the posts calling him an idiot. We had the following discussion and I am just waiting his reply now.
__________________________________________________ _______________


Mohammed Suliman: did you say Israel existed a millenia before 1948? Was there Israel, then? or-- I hope not-- you're talking about the existence of some scattered Jews on the land of Palestine during the Roman Empire? And by clinging to this fact, you and your Israeli friends, keep claiming that this land is yours. Have you ever heard of Canaanites? go read about them, and, then, perhaps, you will have a clearer vision.

Yotam Nir: Idiot. The Romans came to Israel in the first century B.C.E. The Israelis lived there much earlier There was no independent state in Israel between the time of ancient Israel and 1948 except for the brief Kingdom of Jerusalem (which was established by Europeans). But, having said that, what claim do the Arabs who since 1967 call themselves "Palestinians have to Israel?

Mohammed Suliman: Oh, cool. Now, we're gonna see who the real idiot is. First, when you say something, you bring me historical evidence; we're talking about history, and history is dates and numbers. So, this 'much earlier' doesn't work here. Go look for some date and bring it here, so we can decide whose existence on this land is earlier than the other. And those ... See MoreArabs' 'who call themselves Palestinians' origins date back to the 13th century BC when the Pelesit (from where the word Palestine originated) tribes came to this land. One more thing, I asked you a question and you didn't answer.

And hey, why does it seem you call everybody an idiot? do you feel you're one?


Yotam Nir: I'll start with a response to your last question so we can get that irrelevant issue out of the way. When did I call everybody an idiot? I responded to the previous wall post, where I was called an idiot for saying a historical fact, and then you came and posted what I'm sorry to say looked rather idiotic to me.

Okay, now let's get back to Israel... See More. I see you decided it's inappropriate to use "much earlier" here. Alright, so the earliest mention of the name Israel is in an Egyptian inscription from about 1207 BCE. Are you satisfied with that answer?

Next I'll adress your claim that the Palestinians (the name used by the Arabs who live in the region) are the descendents of the Philistines (an Aegan people, who as you say began settling the region in the 13th century BCE). The Philistines eventually declined, assimilating to a large degree with the native populations (which would include intermarriage and adoption of local deities). Therefore, your claim that the Palestinians (who, had they really been Philistines, I doubt would have waited until 1967 to use that to demand a right which I admit they would have deserved every bit as much as us, but not more, to the land) are the descendants of Philistines cannot be accurate.

Sorry I didn't answer your question. Do you mean the one about the Canaanites? Yes, I do know of them. What relevance they have to this argument, though, I am not sure.

Mohammed Suliman: OK. you don't need to suggest that what you say is a historical fact although it's absolutely correct. The reason for that is that you're turning a blind eye on some point of the history of Palestine which makes your claims completely misleading and unacceptable. So, I'm sorry to say you're wrong. And no, this land is for the Palestinians and you ... See Morebeing ignorant of the mere existence of the Canaanites is just terrible.

Now, let's divide the history of Palestine into four important eras (or let's say we're most concerned with these eras): the first which is the era that you missed out and which is the most important and significant era in the history of Palestine. It testified the existence of the Canaanites who are the forefathers of the Palestinians. This land is known as the Land of Canaan who is one of the four sons of Noah. This era dates back to 3000-4000 years BC.

the second is part of the era which you spoke of and which testified the existence of the Israelites. This was almost 1200-1400 BC.

the third is when the Pelest tribes traveled back to Palestine 1184 BC from the Cycladic Islands and other islands across Greece.

The fourth era we're concerned with is the Roman era when the Israelis we're crushed and expelled from Palestine by the Roman emperor Hadrian in 132 initiating what is known among you as the 'great dispersion'.

From that date onward, this land witnessed the presence of the Palestinians who are definitely the descendants of the Pelest (or the Philistines) till the Zionist movement managed to drive them away from their homes in 1948.

What I can't get is your claim the Palestine was invented in 1967. And you can be skeptical about history. Those Palestinians are the descendants of not only the Pelests but also of the Canaanites who are the first to inhabit this land.

What is interesting is how your great leaders and writers, when handling this issue, they just start from 132 AC and disregard a whole lot of more than 4000 years as if misleading other ignorant readers into believing that the land was the Israeli's throughout that period. You can trace this in 'The Death and Resurrection of Israel' by Arthur W. Kac.(1976)

Therefore, it's clear the first people to inhabit this land were the Palestinians. And it is the Israelis who came over to this land and drove the Palestinians who were living peacefully across the region from their homes. Your home is Poland, Germany, Russia, the Us and else where. Not Palestine. And I believe this is as plain to you as the nose on your face.

Mohammed Suliman: By the way, you came to justify your calling others 'idiots' and just fell into the same trap at once insisting on calling them so and making-- as you put it-- 'one of yourself'.

Perhaps you'd like to read this:
http://www.juancole.com/2010/03/top-...-does-not.html
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جوري
06-10-2010, 05:03 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.A.S.H.
Palestinians are occupiers, they're the descendants of Muslims invaders the same way Israelis are the descendants of first zionists. The difference is that a longer period has passed since the Muslim invasion.
you need to go back to school and either sit and pay attention or get your money back? People who convert aren't occupiers.. there weren't that many 'Muslim invaders' to populate the entire eastern, far eastern and part of the west..

nonetheless here is a short lesson in history and generally you should make a note to do some research before you write so we're not collectively mocking you for frank ignorance:

the land of Palestine was "supposedly" promised to the seed of Abraham. If one researches the Ancient Hebrew laws, the right of decent or nheritance is based on the eldest son, no matter whom the mother is. If this is the case, then the land was promised to Ishamel (for he was the eldest of Abraham's sons) and the Father of Palestinian Arabs. In addition, modern day Jews from Russia, Poland and most parts of Eastern Europe have NO genetic link to the ancient Hebrews - they for the most part are decendents of Khazars, who converted to Judaism in the 7th century (this has been documented by Jewish scholars, not Arabs). The modern day Palestinians can claim a more direct link to the Hebrew tribes than the founders of modern day "Israel." What the Western Press purposely avoids mentioning is the fact that at the start of the 20th century, less than 5% of the land of Palestine was Jewish. The modern State of Israel was built on lands illegally taken and assimilated from Palestinian Christians and Muslims. Also, the Hebrews only ruled the land of Palestine for a combined 411 years - the Muslims have ruled the land for 1,500 years. In addition, the land of Canaan (Palestine) had a history long before the Jewish tribes immigrated to the area.

get read fellow, on regular history and biblical history, so you are not so dazed and confused!

all the best
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Candle
06-10-2010, 05:32 PM
I know many muslims from USA and brainless or illiterate they aren´t.



Think a little what you write here!
Noo, I wasn't saying they were! Rather, I was arguing that they are not. It is just a turn of speech. :)
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M.A.S.H.
06-10-2010, 06:39 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
you need to go back to school and either sit and pay attention or get your money back? People who convert aren't occupiers.. there weren't that many 'Muslim invaders' to populate the entire eastern, far eastern and part of the west..

nonetheless here is a short lesson in history and generally you should make a note to do some research before you write so we're not collectively mocking you for frank ignorance:

the land of Palestine was "supposedly" promised to the seed of Abraham. If one researches the Ancient Hebrew laws, the right of decent or nheritance is based on the eldest son, no matter whom the mother is. If this is the case, then the land was promised to Ishamel (for he was the eldest of Abraham's sons) and the Father of Palestinian Arabs. In addition, modern day Jews from Russia, Poland and most parts of Eastern Europe have NO genetic link to the ancient Hebrews - they for the most part are decendents of Khazars, who converted to Judaism in the 7th century (this has been documented by Jewish scholars, not Arabs). The modern day Palestinians can claim a more direct link to the Hebrew tribes than the founders of modern day "Israel." What the Western Press purposely avoids mentioning is the fact that at the start of the 20th century, less than 5% of the land of Palestine was Jewish. The modern State of Israel was built on lands illegally taken and assimilated from Palestinian Christians and Muslims. Also, the Hebrews only ruled the land of Palestine for a combined 411 years - the Muslims have ruled the land for 1,500 years. In addition, the land of Canaan (Palestine) had a history long before the Jewish tribes immigrated to the area.

get read fellow, on regular history and biblical history, so you are not so dazed and confused!

all the best
The muslim invaders came and conquered the land. What happened afterwards is of no concern to the fact that the land was indeed occupied and even if many people converted to Islam Arabs did settle there, mixed with the natives, today's Palestinians are Arabs, descendants of the pople who conquered the land, the same way young Israelis are.
You should read too, the Khazar has been disproven by genetic anylysys by jews and non-jews.
The Muslims ruled for 1200 years not 1500.
It was not illegal, it was handed over by the British and split by the UN, legal, but not necessarily legitimate and according tto the will of the people.
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جوري
06-10-2010, 07:23 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.A.S.H.
The muslim invaders came and conquered the land. What happened afterwards is of no concern to the fact that the land was indeed occupied and even if many people converted to Islam Arabs did settle there, mixed with the natives, today's Palestinians are Arabs, descendants of the pople who conquered the land, the same way young Israelis are.
You should read too, the Khazar has been disproven by genetic anylysys by jews and non-jews.
Khazars hasn't been disproven at all, I understand your need to tell that to yourself, given your state of under-education where you'd like to keep yourself in a dulled foggy understanding.
Google ashkanezi jews simply from a medical/scientific perspective not a political one and see what comes up!
The Muslims ruled for 1200 years not 1500.
It was not illegal, it was handed over by the British and split by the UN, legal, but not necessarily legitimate and according tto the will of the people.
The people of Palestine are the ones that have always been regardless of their religion, and I have posted a rather large article including of U.N resolutions and illegalities which Israel is in defiance of.. Israel has always been an illegal settler cockroach state. for even if we are to go by the very original Hebrews they're in fact from Iraq and previously Yemen, these European occupiers have positively nothing to do with those original middle eastern Jews, who later became christian and Muslims regardless of your understanding of things which is as irrelevant as you are!
We can't be made responsible for your ignorance, lack of understanding of the most basic things like history.. you'd think it were some kind of complicated calculus formula for you to feign that level of stupidity. This is the sort of crap you can peddle on the ziono/ fundie forums, where no emphasis on education is placed and alot of emphasis on propaganda, lies and stupidity is peddled!

all the best
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Zafran
06-10-2010, 08:26 PM
salaam

we await until there is no palestine left - a real pity realy.

peace.
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Argamemnon
06-10-2010, 08:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.A.S.H.
Palestinians are occupiers, they're the descendants of Muslims invaders the same way Israelis are the descendants of first zionists. The difference is that a longer period has passed since the Muslim invasion.
Can someone please ban this thing?
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Candle
06-10-2010, 10:04 PM
The muslim invaders came and conquered the land. What happened afterwards is of no concern to the fact that the land was indeed occupied and even if many people converted to Islam Arabs did settle there, mixed with the natives, today's Palestinians are Arabs, descendants of the pople who conquered the land, the same way young Israelis are.
You should read too, the Khazar has been disproven by genetic anylysys by jews and non-jews.
The Muslims ruled for 1200 years not 1500.
It was not illegal, it was handed over by the British and split by the UN, legal, but not necessarily legitimate and according tto the will of the people.
You're trying to compare ancient demographics and tribal migration with the modern colonialism and the mandate system? I'm sorry, but those things do not compare.

Should the UN forcibly give the entire Mediterranean to the Italians just because Rome conquered it at one point in time? Or perhaps we should Give the entire orient and Northern Africa to Iran in the name of the Persian empire.
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Zafran
06-10-2010, 10:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Candle
You're trying to compare ancient demographics and tribal migration with the modern colonialism and the mandate system? I'm sorry, but those things do not compare.

Should the UN forcibly give the entire Mediterranean to the Italians just because Rome conquered it at one point in time? Or perhaps we should Give the entire orient and Northern Africa to Iran in the name of the Persian empire.
salaam

Well said! -

to mash and the UN didnt split Palestine - its given the best solution for peace, which the US keeps Vetoing out!

peace
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-11-2010, 09:31 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Candle
You're trying to compare ancient demographics and tribal migration with the modern colonialism and the mandate system? I'm sorry, but those things do not compare.

Should the UN forcibly give the entire Mediterranean to the Italians just because Rome conquered it at one point in time? Or perhaps we should Give the entire orient and Northern Africa to Iran in the name of the Persian empire.
None of the two arguments are relevant. There are only two arguments which hold with respect to this subject:

- Jerusalem is a holy city for Islam.

- The palestinian people should cease to be oppressed.

Any historical argument just weakens these two arguments which are the strongest you can get.
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Supreme
06-11-2010, 11:02 AM
With regards to Jerusalem, I think it should become under UN control as soon as possible. There's so many holy sites from Christianity, Judaism and Islam within the city, that no one religion should be able to claim complete control. As soon as Palestine is given its independence (and such a fate is inevitable, as proven by history), the city should be placed under UN control, to help curtail violence and/or destruction of holy places.
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-11-2010, 11:08 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
With regards to Jerusalem, I think it should become under UN control as soon as possible. There's so many holy sites from Christianity, Judaism and Islam within the city, that no one religion should be able to claim complete control. As soon as Palestine is given its independence (and such a fate is inevitable, as proven by history), the city should be placed under UN control, to help curtail violence and/or destruction of holy places.
Well but this won't solve the problem since even though the physical control would be in the hands of the UN the question is hardly about the physical control over the city which is to a large extent secondary.

In truth, if you ask my personal opinion - I would love to see a religious negotiation on the fate of the city where representatives from all three
religions would come together to decide it's fate - and "may the best man win" - but in truth , I think this does not happen because nobody has the balls to do that.
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Zafran
06-11-2010, 11:40 AM
East Jerusalem according to the UN belongs to the palestinains anyway - It has been occuppied by Isreal since 1967. - If international law is placed to solve this problem (which it should be) - then the holy sites do go to palestine which are in east Jerusalem. Isreal has zero right on them.
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-11-2010, 11:46 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran
East Jerusalem according to the UN belongs to the palestinains anyway - It has been occuppied by Isreal since 1967. - If international law is placed to solve this problem (which it should be) - then the holy sites do go to palestine which are in east Jerusalem. Isreal has zero right on them.
Well, according to Islam Jerusalem belongs to neither Israeli's or Palestinians - it belongs to Muslims.
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Supreme
06-11-2010, 02:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Ibn Yus
Well but this won't solve the problem since even though the physical control would be in the hands of the UN the question is hardly about the physical control over the city which is to a large extent secondary.

In truth, if you ask my personal opinion - I would love to see a religious negotiation on the fate of the city where representatives from all three
religions would come together to decide it's fate - and "may the best man win" - but in truth , I think this does not happen because nobody has the balls to do that.
If that happened, I've got a strong feeling the Muslims would get control of Jerusalem. And even if the Christians got control, who would get the Church of the Holy Sepulchre? Almost every year at Easter, physical fighting is reported between members of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, Greek Orthodox Church, Roman Catholic Church, Russian Orthodox Church etc on who should rightfully own the sacred church. No, in my opinion, Jerusalem should be put into neutral control, where the sanctity of churches, mosques and synanagogues are guaranteed, and there's no justification for religious followers to try and wrestle and fight to get the city under their control.
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Zafran
06-11-2010, 02:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Ibn Yus
Well, according to Islam Jerusalem belongs to neither Israeli's or Palestinians - it belongs to Muslims.
what do you mean??
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aadil77
06-11-2010, 04:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran
what do you mean??
Its our holy city, the direction where we first used to pray, masjid al aqsa is one of three masjids where we can do pilgrimage, its where prophet Muhammad ascended to jannah, its the area where many prophets taught the true religion of monotheism
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Insaanah
06-11-2010, 04:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
If that happened, I've got a strong feeling the Muslims would get control of Jerusalem. And even if the Christians got control, who would get the Church of the Holy Sepulchre? Almost every year at Easter, physical fighting is reported between members of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, Greek Orthodox Church, Roman Catholic Church, Russian Orthodox Church etc on who should rightfully own the sacred church. No, in my opinion, Jerusalem should be put into neutral control, where the sanctity of churches, mosques and synanagogues are guaranteed, and there's no justification for religious followers to try and wrestle and fight to get the city under their control.
Muslim family holds key to sacred sepulchre / For centuries, their ancestors have opened door to church where Jesus believed buried


Every morning at 4 a.m., Wajeeh Nuseibeh walks through the walled Old City of Jerusalem to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the most revered shrine in Christendom. He takes an ancient 12-inch iron key, climbs a small ladder and opens the huge wooden doors to the place that most Christians believe is the site of the crucifixion, tomb and resurrection of Jesus.

Every evening at nightfall, after three raps of an iron doorknocker spaced out over half an hour, Nuseibeh closes up and places the key in safekeeping.

He inherited the job from his father and grandfather, in a chain stretching back more than 1,300 years. But surprisingly, Nuseibeh, doorkeeper of the site of the crucifixion, is, like his ancestors, a Muslim.

"It goes from father to son, from one generation to the next," said Nuseibeh, a small, dapper 55-year-old man in a suit and tie. "I was 15 when I first opened the church. I thought it was fun. As I grew up I realized it is a big responsibility."

This weekend, thousands of Christians flock to the Holy Sepulchre for Easter services, processions and the ancient ceremony of the Holy Fire, in which Nuseibeh plays a central role. The ceremony, held on Holy Saturday, the day before Easter, symbolizes the resurrection of Christ.

Worshipers pack into the church, trying to get as close as possible to the marble-clad tomb, or sepulchre, where they believe Jesus' body was laid. The oil lamps inside the mausoleum that contains the tomb are extinguished, and a huge stone is rolled across the entrance, which is then sealed shut by Greek Orthodox priests.

"If there are no oil lamps lit, the tomb will be sealed with wax. I am the witness. I put my stamp, the name of the family, in the wax on the tomb," Nuseibeh said.

What happens next looks like a miracle. The Orthodox patriarch begins to pray, and a bluish Holy Fire begins to emanate from within the tomb, lighting the lamps and sometimes flying around the church over the heads of the assembled worshipers and even lighting the candles of believers. Nuseibeh has been the official witness at this ceremony for more than 20 years.

The church is a major attraction for both pilgrims and tourists. A vast warren of chapels, tunnels and caves, with architectural remnants that date back to the 4th century, it spans a broad range of traditions, from the westernized cathedral of the Catholics to the icons of the Orthodox churches. It houses the final stations on the Via Dolorosa -- the last journey of Jesus to the crucifixion.

The church is jealously managed by five competing and often disputatious Christian denominations -- Roman Catholic (also called Latin here), Greek Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Coptic and Syrian Orthodox (sometimes called Jacobite). There also is a small Ethiopian Orthodox chapel on the roof. Sometimes the tensions over the right to clean or to pray in a particular area of the church spill over into violence. Nuseibeh's family has helped keep the peace between them since Caliph Omar Ibn Kattab first conquered Jerusalem for the Muslims in 638. The only gap was during 88 years of Crusader rule in the 12th century.

According to family history, when Salah A-Din recaptured Jerusalem in 1191, he promised English King Richard the Lion Heart he would invite the Nuseibeh family to resume their role as custodians.

Since that time, the Judeh family, also Muslims, have been given the key for safekeeping overnight, but only the Nuseibehs serve as doorkeeper.

Once a year, the three biggest denominations -- Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic and Armenian -- publicly renew their request to Nuseibeh to be the "custodian and doorkeeper," as written on his business card and multimedia Web site (www.nuseibehfamily.com).

About 100 years ago, the key was stolen. Although it was eventually recovered, a spare now is kept in a locked room inside the church.

For his hereditary labor, Nuseibeh receives $15 every month, an income he supplements by giving tours of the church. But the ancient honor is worth more to him than the token payment. [B]When tensions boil over between the denominations, Nuseibeh is the one who calms the waters.

"Like all brothers, they sometimes have problems. We help them settle their disputes. We are the neutral people in the church. We are the United Nations. We help preserve peace in this holy place," he said.

Nuseibeh said he still becomes anxious before the big ceremonies or when important visitors arrive. "I realize there are thousands of people waiting to go into the church, and they are waiting for me to open it, and I start to imagine what will be happen if the lock will be broken or the key is damaged and I can't open the door."

But that has never happened in the 20 years since he took over from his father. He hopes that one day his son Obadah, now 21, will step into his footsteps, but that's not certain. "He is at college, studying to be a sports trainer," Nuseibeh said. "Maybe he will not follow me, and then my brother or my cousin will take over."

Nuseibeh said he is deeply touched by the Christian rituals and feels a close affinity with the church, but he does not pray there.

"I know every stone. It is like my home," he said. "But I go to pray at the Omar Mosque next door."

SOURCE: http://articles.sfgate.com/2005-03-2...yrian-orthodox
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Supreme
06-11-2010, 05:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Insane Insaan
Muslim family holds key to sacred sepulchre / For centuries, their ancestors have opened door to church where Jesus believed buried


Every morning at 4 a.m., Wajeeh Nuseibeh walks through the walled Old City of Jerusalem to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the most revered shrine in Christendom. He takes an ancient 12-inch iron key, climbs a small ladder and opens the huge wooden doors to the place that most Christians believe is the site of the crucifixion, tomb and resurrection of Jesus.

Every evening at nightfall, after three raps of an iron doorknocker spaced out over half an hour, Nuseibeh closes up and places the key in safekeeping.

He inherited the job from his father and grandfather, in a chain stretching back more than 1,300 years. But surprisingly, Nuseibeh, doorkeeper of the site of the crucifixion, is, like his ancestors, a Muslim.

"It goes from father to son, from one generation to the next," said Nuseibeh, a small, dapper 55-year-old man in a suit and tie. "I was 15 when I first opened the church. I thought it was fun. As I grew up I realized it is a big responsibility."

This weekend, thousands of Christians flock to the Holy Sepulchre for Easter services, processions and the ancient ceremony of the Holy Fire, in which Nuseibeh plays a central role. The ceremony, held on Holy Saturday, the day before Easter, symbolizes the resurrection of Christ.

Worshipers pack into the church, trying to get as close as possible to the marble-clad tomb, or sepulchre, where they believe Jesus' body was laid. The oil lamps inside the mausoleum that contains the tomb are extinguished, and a huge stone is rolled across the entrance, which is then sealed shut by Greek Orthodox priests.

"If there are no oil lamps lit, the tomb will be sealed with wax. I am the witness. I put my stamp, the name of the family, in the wax on the tomb," Nuseibeh said.

What happens next looks like a miracle. The Orthodox patriarch begins to pray, and a bluish Holy Fire begins to emanate from within the tomb, lighting the lamps and sometimes flying around the church over the heads of the assembled worshipers and even lighting the candles of believers. Nuseibeh has been the official witness at this ceremony for more than 20 years.

The church is a major attraction for both pilgrims and tourists. A vast warren of chapels, tunnels and caves, with architectural remnants that date back to the 4th century, it spans a broad range of traditions, from the westernized cathedral of the Catholics to the icons of the Orthodox churches. It houses the final stations on the Via Dolorosa -- the last journey of Jesus to the crucifixion.

The church is jealously managed by five competing and often disputatious Christian denominations -- Roman Catholic (also called Latin here), Greek Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Coptic and Syrian Orthodox (sometimes called Jacobite). There also is a small Ethiopian Orthodox chapel on the roof. Sometimes the tensions over the right to clean or to pray in a particular area of the church spill over into violence. Nuseibeh's family has helped keep the peace between them since Caliph Omar Ibn Kattab first conquered Jerusalem for the Muslims in 638. The only gap was during 88 years of Crusader rule in the 12th century.

According to family history, when Salah A-Din recaptured Jerusalem in 1191, he promised English King Richard the Lion Heart he would invite the Nuseibeh family to resume their role as custodians.

Since that time, the Judeh family, also Muslims, have been given the key for safekeeping overnight, but only the Nuseibehs serve as doorkeeper.

Once a year, the three biggest denominations -- Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic and Armenian -- publicly renew their request to Nuseibeh to be the "custodian and doorkeeper," as written on his business card and multimedia Web site (www.nuseibehfamily.com).

About 100 years ago, the key was stolen. Although it was eventually recovered, a spare now is kept in a locked room inside the church.

For his hereditary labor, Nuseibeh receives $15 every month, an income he supplements by giving tours of the church. But the ancient honor is worth more to him than the token payment. [B]When tensions boil over between the denominations, Nuseibeh is the one who calms the waters.

"Like all brothers, they sometimes have problems. We help them settle their disputes. We are the neutral people in the church. We are the United Nations. We help preserve peace in this holy place," he said.

Nuseibeh said he still becomes anxious before the big ceremonies or when important visitors arrive. "I realize there are thousands of people waiting to go into the church, and they are waiting for me to open it, and I start to imagine what will be happen if the lock will be broken or the key is damaged and I can't open the door."

But that has never happened in the 20 years since he took over from his father. He hopes that one day his son Obadah, now 21, will step into his footsteps, but that's not certain. "He is at college, studying to be a sports trainer," Nuseibeh said. "Maybe he will not follow me, and then my brother or my cousin will take over."

Nuseibeh said he is deeply touched by the Christian rituals and feels a close affinity with the church, but he does not pray there.

"I know every stone. It is like my home," he said. "But I go to pray at the Omar Mosque next door."

SOURCE: http://articles.sfgate.com/2005-03-2...yrian-orthodox
Thanks for posting the article. I was already aware of the Muslim family who are responsible for the church, and from what I've heard, they're a God-send. Lots of major Christian denominations have a stake in the church. But that's exactly why Christians should not take control of the city. Could you imagine the carnage?
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astrogirl
06-13-2010, 03:22 AM
i know this point has been adressed already, but i read it and it has been on my mind ever since. someone mentioned something that a jew said, about how palestinians were never in palestine before the jews came, and it is some kind of tactic by the arabs to "rob" them of their "true" land. those weren't the exact words, but i have heard this before, and it infuriates me.

1) my parents were born in palestine, my father was born 1943, mother 1945, if there were no palestinians there then how is that possible, my parents were born before the end of the world war.

2) if there were no palestinians who did the british originally promise the land to??

3) is this excuse a viable reason for oppression, countless human rights violations, murder, genocide, and inhuman actions.

4) this excuse has one goal, and one goal only to distract muslims from the real issue. much like bush when he was in afghanistan and couldn't find bin laden so he ran to iraq to make-up another enemy. just like 9/11 distracted the americans from the horrendous dissarray their country was in.

5) it still doesn't entitle the jews to that land, zionists were originally secular, and now the state of isreal is going through a state of secularism, they are starting to fight with each other about religion. if they are not there for religious reasons then they have no right to be there since their original stake to palestine is one of religion.

sorry, go back to what you discussing, i haven't read it but the story about muslims open the doors to a church sounds interesting.
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Argamemnon
06-15-2010, 06:25 PM

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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-16-2010, 10:35 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by astrogirl
i know this point has been adressed already, but i read it and it has been on my mind ever since. someone mentioned something that a jew said, about how palestinians were never in palestine before the jews came, and it is some kind of tactic by the arabs to "rob" them of their "true" land. those weren't the exact words, but i have heard this before, and it infuriates me.

1) my parents were born in palestine, my father was born 1943, mother 1945, if there were no palestinians there then how is that possible, my parents were born before the end of the world war.

2) if there were no palestinians who did the british originally promise the land to??

3) is this excuse a viable reason for oppression, countless human rights violations, murder, genocide, and inhuman actions.

4) this excuse has one goal, and one goal only to distract muslims from the real issue. much like bush when he was in afghanistan and couldn't find bin laden so he ran to iraq to make-up another enemy. just like 9/11 distracted the americans from the horrendous dissarray their country was in.

5) it still doesn't entitle the jews to that land, zionists were originally secular, and now the state of isreal is going through a state of secularism, they are starting to fight with each other about religion. if they are not there for religious reasons then they have no right to be there since their original stake to palestine is one of religion.

sorry, go back to what you discussing, i haven't read it but the story about muslims open the doors to a church sounds interesting.
The land does not belong to any of the following

- Jews
- Palestinians
- Britons
- Turks
- Crusaders
- Eskimos

The land belongs to Allah and to those who follow his rules and guidance.
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Rabi Mansur
06-17-2010, 01:55 AM
The land does not belong to any of the following

- Jews
- Palestinians
- Britons
- Turks
- Crusaders
- Eskimos
Eskimos? Now someone is finally making sense. I think we've found the solution. The land belongs to the Eskimos.
;D

:wa:
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Supreme
06-17-2010, 11:28 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by rabimansur
Eskimos? Now someone is finally making sense. I think we've found the solution. The land belongs to the Eskimos.
;D

:wa:
Isn't eskimo a derogatory term? I believe Inuit is politically correct...
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Nirvana
06-19-2010, 03:16 AM
We should all pray for the people of Palestine and for the many innocents martyed on that flotilla. May Allah grant them peace and the rewards they deserve. Ameen.
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sister herb
06-19-2010, 09:19 PM
Vessel Maryam from Lebanon is on the sea going to Gaza. All passangers are sisters there. May Allah save them.
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glo
06-19-2010, 10:03 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
Vessel Maryam from Lebanon is on the sea going to Gaza. All passangers are sisters there. May Allah save them.
I will remember them in my prayers.
When is the ship expected to arrive, sister harb?
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sister herb
06-20-2010, 12:35 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
I will remember them in my prayers.
When is the ship expected to arrive, sister harb?
Peace Glo.

They are in Gaza tomorrow (if zionist don´t pirate them during night).

At July is coming other flotilla by 60 ships.



;D
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sister herb
06-20-2010, 12:52 AM
We return and return until Palestine is free.

:p
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Woodrow
06-20-2010, 02:24 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
Vessel Maryam from Lebanon is on the sea going to Gaza. All passangers are sisters there. May Allah save them.
I have mixed feelings about this. While I find it good that Roman Catholics are joining in breaking the seige on Gaza, I wish I had not read this:

Gaza-bound Lebanese women pray for Mary's blessing
A Lebanese man arranges newspapers bearing headlines about Israel's deadly raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla in Beirut on June 1. Women activists planning to sail to Gaza gathered on Thursday near a statue of the Virgin Mary in south Lebanon to pray she bless their flotilla, christened "Mariam" in her honour.
A Lebanese man arranges newspapers bearing headlines about Israel's deadly raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla in Beirut on June 1. Women activists planning to sail to Gaza gathered on Thursday near a statue of the Virgin Mary in south Lebanon to pray she bless their flotilla, christened "Mariam" in her honour.

AFP - Women activists planning to sail to Gaza gathered on Thursday near a statue of the Virgin Mary in south Lebanon to pray she bless their flotilla, christened "Mariam" in her honour.
SOURCE

I am impressed by their desire to help, but I am saddened over their praying to Mary.
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Rabi Mansur
06-20-2010, 02:45 AM
:sl:

format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
Vessel Maryam from Lebanon is on the sea going to Gaza. All passangers are sisters there. May Allah save them.
It will be interesting to see what they will do with a group of sisters. This may prove to be the most effective from a PR standpoint yet. :popcorn:



May Allah bless them.
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nousername
06-20-2010, 05:13 AM
I just finished reading all 29 pages - whew :exhausted And I just want to say Viva Palestina and I pray that Allah delivers them from their suffering and we can live in a world that is peaceful with no apartheid and freedom for all.
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sister herb
06-20-2010, 07:35 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by rabimansur
:sl:



It will be interesting to see what they will do with a group of sisters. This may prove to be the most effective from a PR standpoint yet. :popcorn:



May Allah bless them.
Israel before claimed this vessel is from Hizballah and aim is to humiliate Israel is they attack against women by guns. Next there is coming also vessel by European Jews. They have said they don´t afraid Hamas but Israel. Also I just got information about one Brazilian ship coming to Gaza with 50 activists.

;D Mediterranean sea will be full of those whose go to break the siege.
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sister herb
06-20-2010, 07:49 AM
Israel Officially Informs UN It Will Intercept Lebanese Solidarity Ship
Saturday June 19, 2010 12:39 by Saed Bannoura - IMEMC & Agencies

Tel Aviv sent an official letter to the United Nations stating that it will, and “has the right” to intercept the Lebanese solidarity ship, Mariam, carrying humanitarian supplies to Gaza.

Israeli TV, Channel 2, reported that Israel’s UN Envoy, Gabriella Shalev, handed the letter to UN Secretary-General, Ban Ki-moon, informing him that Israel will use the needed means to intercept any ship that sails to Gaza.

Shalev claimed that the organizers of the trip have ties with the Hezbollah party in Lebanon, and added that Israel cannot know for sure that they “are not smuggling terrorists and weapons to Gaza”, according to Shaliv.

It is worth mentioning that the Hezbollah party officially stated that it has no connection whatsoever with the ship.

The party said it kept away from the ship in order to avoid granting Israel any motives to attack it.

Although it remains unknown when the ships will be sailing, Israeli daily Haaretz reported that Israel believes they will be sailing Sunday.

Israel intends to use force similar to the violence used against the Marmara Turkish ship on May 31.

The army received instructions to stop the ships by all means and to use force if needed.

It is worth mentioning that that the Lebanese ship will only carry women, Muslim and Christian, in addition to medical and humanitarian supplies.

Muslim and Christian leaders held prayers on Friday afternoon in southern Lebanon. The prayers were held in Maghdousha town near Sidon at a cave believed to be the location where Mary waited for her son, Jesus Christ, as he toured the area with his disciples.

Reema Farah, spokesperson of the Lebanese ship, said that the participants are determined to sail to Gaza, and that their only weapon is Virgin Mary and humanity.
Farah added that the ship is carrying medicine and will sail to Gaza regardless of the Israeli threats.

She warned Israel not to repeat “the same sin its soldiers carried against the Marmara ship”, and added that women from Syria, Egypt, Kuwait, several European countries, and the United States will be sailing to Gaza on board the Mariam ship.

http://www.imemc.org/article/58965
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sister herb
06-20-2010, 03:46 PM
Vessel Maryam is back in Lebanon.

They were on sea but return to safe from zionists war ships.
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Woodrow
06-20-2010, 04:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
Vessel Maryam is back in Lebanon.

They were on sea but return to safe from zionists war ships.
Perhaps now the Christian world will get some concept as to what Zionism really is. The ship had quite a few Christians on it it, since there were some praying to Mary, I believe it is safe to assume the Christians were Catholics. It will be interesting to see what the Vatican has to say about this.
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Predator
06-20-2010, 04:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow

I am impressed by their desire to help, but I am saddened over their praying to Mary.
What else can we expect from Pagans and They may even pray to Zeus , Apollo ,monkeys , elephants and snakes
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sister herb
06-20-2010, 06:02 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Airforce
What else can we expect from Pagans and They may even pray to Zeus , Apollo ,monkeys , elephants and snakes
:hmm:

Why you muslims then don´t go to help?

:hiding:
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glo
06-20-2010, 06:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Airforce
What else can we expect from Pagans and They may even pray to Zeus , Apollo ,monkeys , elephants and snakes
Do you appreciate the support from non-Muslims in the fight for freedom and justice in Gaza, and can you set aside the religious differences for the sake of pursuing that common goal? Or would you rather this was a Muslim only venture?

I agree with Woodrow. Any step towards changing the perception of the world (I would say the whole world, not just the Christian one) about Gaza and Israel is a step in the right direction!
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Masuma
06-20-2010, 11:15 PM
:sl:

Brothers and sisters,
listen to this great brother, Talat Hussain (one of the best Pakistani news reporter) present on Freedom Flotilla.

He is an eyewitness to the whole event and has even escaped death by a distance of just 6 inches! How? I'll tell you latter. InshAllah!

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nousername
06-20-2010, 11:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Airforce
What else can we expect from Pagans and They may even pray to Zeus , Apollo ,monkeys , elephants and snakes
Why insult those that are actually ACTIVLY trying to help Palestinians? thats' more than the vast majority of Muslims do? Your comment seems really ungreatful
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Masuma
06-20-2010, 11:23 PM


And I don't know whether it was already given by somebody here or not...


Arabic! :( can someone please translate?
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Masuma
06-20-2010, 11:34 PM
I don't believe this!

Reporters in the second video are telling that the people are raising white flags after the death of one person, but Israel keeps on shooting live ammunition!!! :raging:

Israel just has no excuse!!!!

How come then 8 more people died even after the white flags were raised????

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Masuma
06-23-2010, 09:54 PM
...always appreciate those who stand for truth...! :cry: this was a demonstration on 31st May in London. The conclusion is to BOYCOTT ISRAEL! Please join hands in this ever lasting boycott.

-boycott-strategy



Free, Free Palestine! End the siege of Gaza!!!




Announcement:
(by George Galloway from the video above)
On the day after Ramadan,two mighty convoys, one by land and one by sea will begin.
Allahu Akbar!
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Masuma
06-23-2010, 10:23 PM
GAZA FREEDOM FLOTILLA MASSACRE LONDON DEMOS-PHOTO REPORT!



VIVA PALESTINA!
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سيف الله
07-06-2010, 05:49 PM
Salaam

Some comments on Western media (BBC in this case) coverage of the flotila attack.

BBC Complaint

06.14.2010 | Jews for Boycotting Israeli Goods
Press Release

150 people have signed an open letter of complaint to the BBC protesting at their biased, selective and ethically dishonest coverage of the murder of at least 9 activists on board the Mavi Marmara, the lead ship of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla.

Matters we have complained about included the use, without comment or even warning, of spliced and selective Israeli video of trained navy seals being ‘attacked’ at the very same time that Israel, by its own admission, confiscated every notebook, camera, mobile and reel of film to prevent its version of events being challenged.

Despite this some footage has got out which shows e.g. that the first navy personnel injured, often from bad falls, were actually medically treated by those on board. So much for the ‘terrorist’ label.

Other film shows the deliberate murder, with 4 shots to the head, of the Turkish-American citizen Furkan Dogan. http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle25672.htm Naturally the BBC has chosen not to show any footage which directly proves that the Israeli version, whereby its trained navy personnel were subject to a potential lynching by human rights activists, was a lie.

The use of film media by one side, the side that has confiscated the other sides film and recordings, is totally unethical and an invitation to states to repeat the same trick in other situations with journalists.

The letter raises the way the BBC contributes towards a failure to understand the occupation and conflict in Gaza, preferring to engage in mainstream rhetoric about ‘terrorism’. How it mentions Hamas rockets without explaining who broke the ceasefire between Israel and Hamas on 4.11.2008., who has killed over seven thousand people in as many years via its rockets and bombs (Israel) yet it is the puny response that is continually highlighted which has killed 20 Israelis in the same time.

The BBC’s record is so bad and so one-sided that we have initiated this letter - from people like Mike Mansfield QC, Avi Shlaim - an Israeli Professor of International Relations at Oxford University, Moshe Machover, another Israeli Professor at London University and people like the songwriter Leon Rosselson.

Tony Greenstein
Jews for Boycotting Israeli Goods
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glo
07-06-2010, 05:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by An33za
Great pictures! It is very encouraging to see Muslims and non-Muslims stand together like this! :statisfie
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سيف الله
07-06-2010, 05:59 PM
Salaam

Some more analysis from media lens

Nine Civilians Killed - A Public Relations Disaster

We doubt there were any examples (we found none) of media articles lamenting the "public relations disaster" for Iran of the "kidnapping" of the British sailors. By contrast, the media has consistently focused on the Israeli attack in these terms. On May 31, Jonathan Marcus, the BBC's diplomatic correspondent, commented on the BBC website:

"This was always going to be a high-risk operation for Israel both in terms of reputation and diplomatic repercussions.

"Taking over vessels at sea is no easy task, even if the units carrying out the mission are well-trained, and it is especially difficult if the people already on board the vessels resist.

"The full details of what happened will emerge in time, but in political terms the damage has already been done.

"The deaths threaten to make what was always going to be a potential public relations disaster for Israel into a fully-fledged calamity."
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...t/10195838.stm)

We wrote to Marcus on the same day:

Hi Jonathan

Your comments on the BBC website are shameful:

"This was always going to be a high-risk operation for Israel both in terms of reputation and diplomatic repercussions."

I guess it was a higher-risk operation for the activists. To present the massacre as primarily a PR problem for Israel is beyond belief - 19 people [sic - a widely reported death toll at the time] are dead!

Sincerely

David Edwards


Marcus replied on June 1

Dear Mr Edwards,

Many thanks for your e-mail. Forgive me but I cannot see what is shameful about my piece at all. Indeed I think it presents a very fair picture of the implications of what happened.

Since you say you read my piece I imagine that you saw the excerpt from my longer radio piece which was posted on the BBC News On-Line site. I am the Diplomatic Correspondent here and my task was to look at the diplomatic/political ramifications of this incident.

The details of what happened were all over the BBC web-site and indeed carried extensively on our radio output. The BBC reported the reaction to this episode from Gaza, Israel and Turkey, something of which we should be justly proud, reflecting all shades of opinion. The introductory section of my piece, which you read, was intended to show that this was always likely to turn into a mess - though one would have hoped not the tragic mess that involved the loss of several lives. I stand by what I wrote and if you disagree then clearly you are at liberty to do so. I have added the longer radio piece below for your interest. Thank you

Regards

JM


This was always going to be a high-risk operation for Israel both in terms of reputation and diplomatic repercussions. Taking over vessels at sea is no easy task even if the units carrying out the mission are well trained and it is especially difficult if the people already on board the vessels resist. The full details of what happened will emerge in time, but in political terms the damage has already been done. The deaths threaten to make what was always going to be a potential public relations disaster for Israel into a fully-fledged calamity. But the political ramifications could be even more serious. A Turkish charity had a major role in organising this flotilla. The Palestinian issue plays strongly in Turkish public opinion where the tide is already strongly critical of Israel. This episode will only make matters worse.

Turkish politics is changing. Groups like the military who always backed strong ties with Israel now have less political clout. Relations between the two countries are ratcheting downwards with few pressures operating in the opposite direction to improve ties. This incident at sea also firmly puts the spotlight on Gaza and Israel's efforts to control access to the territory. Gaza is unfinished business with all three key players - Israel, Egypt and the United States all happy to try to isolate the Hamas government there. But as aid agencies warn this isolation comes at a price for the ordinary people of Gaza and this incident catapults their plight firmly into the spotlight.


We replied the same day:

Dear Jonathan

Many thanks. Your piece presented the killing of perhaps 19 unarmed human rights activists as, first and foremost, a PR problem for the killers. Why is that shameful? Several reasons. First, it is something you would never do if the victims were British, or American, or indeed Israeli. Imagine if Hamas fighters boarded a ship in international waters and shot dead 19 Israeli civilians. It is inconceivable that you would write:

"This was always going to be a high-risk operation for Hamas both in terms of reputation and diplomatic repercussions.

"Taking over vessels at sea is no easy task, even if the units carrying out the mission are well-trained, and it is especially difficult if the people already on board the vessels resist.

"The full details of what happened will emerge in time, but in political terms the damage has already been done.

"The deaths threaten to make what was always going to be a potential public relations disaster for Hamas into a fully-fledged calamity."

Your editors and readers would be outraged that you presented the massacre from the perspective of the killers, reflecting on the "difficult" nature of their task, even though they were "well-trained" (your implication), especially if people "resist". Your analysis soft pedals the illegality and horror to a virtual standstill, and presents the killing as a kind of legitimate police action that went wrong, rather than a criminal slaughter of civilians. Can you honestly not see that?

Your email continues in similar vein when you describe the killings as merely "a mess". Would you describe London's 7/7 atrocity as "a mess"? Was 9/11 a big "mess"?

Best

David


Marcus replied again on the same day:

In answer to your first line - no it did not - and you fail to accept that I was writing about one specific aspect of the story which was comprehensively covered by a variety of pieces from many people and many locations. I have taken time to respond to you but if you want to interpret my piece in this way, clearly nothing I say will convince you.

JM


Marcus's focus was repeated right across the media. The Observer commented:

"Israel has spent the past five days struggling to contain a diplomatic crisis and public relations catastrophe."
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...rrie-gaza-ship)

The Telegraph:

"Israel has faced criticism around the world over the raid and critics said that the assault was a public relations disaster for the country."
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...mediately.html)

And The Times:

"Was it good public relations to be seen trying to turn back ships carrying crayons for schools, medicines for hospitals and cement to rebuild bomb-damaged towns?"
(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle7141295.ece)

The focus on PR downplays the atrocity by viewing the incident from Israel's perspective, by evaluating the cost to +Israel+. Again, this might seem reasonable enough, but the point is it +never+ happens in response to "rogue state" atrocities. Then, the emphasis is on condemnation, on the need to inflict damage through sanctions and bombing, not on evaluating any self-inflicted PR damage. In the immediate aftermath of the 7/7 suicide bombings in London in 2005, did any British journalist focus on the "PR disaster" for groups opposed to US-UK foreign policy? To even think of the slaughter in these terms would have seemed grotesque. The idea of a "PR disaster" implies a self-inflicted wound, which implies a blunder, feeding into the idea that the benevolent state and its allies make mistakes rather than commit crimes.

http://www.medialens.org/alerts/10/1...tate_part2.php
http://www.medialens.org/alerts/10/1...anda_state.php
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سيف الله
07-06-2010, 06:25 PM
Salaam

Heres a piece from the Private Eye

Letter from Israel

from our own correspondent

'We shall be the builders' starts one of our best loved folk songs. So, if some Gaza supporters dared sending building materials to those troublesome Palestinians in their ruined, boxed in desert enclave, we had now choice but to send one of Israels elite military units.

Hunger too is something we understand - or at least our grandparents understood it. So we knew how to respond when experts began to fuss about malnutrition among Gaza Strips 1.5 million residents. After all, Israel merely bans the entry into Gaza of minor stuff like lentils and pasta. Nevertheless, aid agencies claim that 65 percent of Gazan children are now anaemic and one in six suffers from stunted growth. John Ging, director of the UN relief and Works Agency in Gaza called on the world to break the siege and send food.

The would of course have been an unacceptable interference in the close Israeli-Palestinian relationship. So our government sent Colonel Moshe Levy, who heads Israels Gaza liaison office, to reassure reporters that

'the humanitarian situation in Gaza is good and stable'

sadly this did not make the issue go away.

Putting our best scientific minds to work, we next established the minimum amount of calories a human being needs to stay alive. And then adjusted the quantity of food we allow into Gaza to match that amount precisely.

This upset some even some of our diaspora Jewish supporters. Seeking to cheer them, Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu office started to circulate anonymously what were said to be Gaza lavish restraunt menus. Juding by those, Gaza was positively wallowing in food. shame that those alleged offerings of creamed spinach and beef stroganoff were quickly traced back to us.

Despite our nutritional help, Gaza Palestinians still seem to be a sickly lot. True, living in one of the worlds most over crowded places did not help, even before we carpet bombed their schools, hospitals and neighbourhoods in January 2009.

However, now that thousands of Gazans are living out in the open air, you might of expected their health to improve. Instead, some keep clamouring to be let out for hospital treatment. This is a grave matter, and our security forces guarding the exists form Gaza like to ponder it, for months if necessary. Rather than wait, some heart or kidney patients in need of intensive care die on us each week, just to be unhelpful.

What matters now is damage control. Letting the boat aid in, after all, and sending the Gaza supporters or their bodies home should mend fences between our unrepentant prime minister and a fractious Barak Obama. The US president cannot really stay cross with us for long: he needs US Jewish support in the November elections to the Senate and House of Representatives.

Years of Israeli PR work, though have gone down the drain: above all a costly ad agency devised campaign by our foreign minstry. Aimed at drawing wolrd attention away from the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the campaign sought to 'rebrand' Israel by highlighting its success in stem cell research and its invention of instant messaging. Alas TV footage of Israeli commandos abseiling onto a relief ship sends out a different message altogether
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سيف الله
07-06-2010, 06:51 PM
Salaam

Another piece from the Private Eye

The Book of Benjamin

Chapter 94

1 And it came to pass that the people of Gaza were sore
afflicted. For they were without bread to eat or fish to
catch. And even their very houses had been laid waste by
the children of Israel.

2 And their cries were heard in many lands, even unto the
land of the Turk-ites.

3 Who were meant to be friends of the children of Israel.

4 And the peoples of the earth said one to another, 'let us
build a great ark to provide aid and give succour to the
afflicted Arab-ites and Hamas-ites that dwell in the land
of Gaza'.

5 And they took on the ark all manner of goods, including
wheel chairs that were loaded two by two, planks of
wood that were four by two, bags of cement two hundred
by one hundred cubits and all that was needful to build
the city of Gaza anew.

6 And they named the ark Navi Marmara, which is to say
'come and get us'.

7 And on the ark were all manner of people speaking in a
multitude of diverse tongues. that is to say, Swedonians,
Hibernians, Netherlandians, Angles, Saxons and of course
Turkites

8 And there were even among them some of the children
of Israel!

9 And lo, when teh ship drew near unto the coast of Gaza,
it was seen by the Israel-ites who sent word even unto
their leader Benjamin, son of Netan-yahu.

10 And Benjamin waxed wroth and saith unto himself
'What shall I do with this ark? For verily this is a monster
coming from the deep like unot a leviathan who bringeth
death and destruction to the children of Israel.

11 Particularly when the Leviathan clearly contains
explosives and weapons hidden in the bags of cement
which were suppled by the Syrianites and the Iranians.'

12 And Benjamin speedily ansereth his own question, 'I must
do what we always do. Smite, smite and smite again. For is
it not written 'Smite is right?'

13 And so it was that, in the darkness, as the ark drew nigh
to the shore, and those aboard her were watching their
cement by night, the skies filled with a heavenly
host of armed commandos descending from on high and
proclaiming 'War on earth, ill will to men'.

14 Then the actv-ites rose up on the ark, seizing sticks,
knives, forks, spoons and whatever other weapons of
non mass destruction they could layeth theor hands on.

15 And they set upon the commandos of Israel who were
obliged to respond with the force that is called approriate.

16 And many of the activ-ites were slain, and even more
were taken into captivity.

17 And all the nations of the world (apart, that is from the
Obam-ites) rose up and cried with one voice, 'woe unto
Benjamin and the children of Israel. This time they have
goneth too far'.

18 And Benjamin laughed them to scorn saying, 'that is
what you sayeth every time. . . '

19 'But you do nothing.'

20 And Netanyahu looked on what he had done and saw
that it was good.

(To be continued forever)
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سيف الله
11-17-2010, 07:20 PM
Salaam

Just to add

“PUT THE PALESTINIANS ON A DIET”

MEDIA BURY DOCUMENTS REVEALING ISRAEL’S DELIBERATE POLICY OF NEAR-STARVATION FOR GAZA


Israel has been forced to reveal what Palestinians and other observers on the ground have known for a long time: that the blockade of Gaza is state policy intended to inflict collective punishment, not to bolster Israeli “security”.

An Israeli human rights group has won a legal battle to compel the Israeli government to release three important documents. These outline state policy for permitting the transfer of goods into Gaza prior to the May 31 attack on the peace flotilla in which nine people were killed by Israeli forces. The group, Gisha – Legal Center for Freedom of Movement, is demanding Israeli transparency. Meanwhile, Israel refuses to release documents on the current version of blockade policy which was “eased” after international condemnation following the flotilla attack.

The released documents, whose existence Israel had denied for eighteen months, reveal that the state approved “a policy of deliberate reduction” of basic goods, including food and fuel, in the Gaza Strip. Gisha Director Sari Bashi explains:

“Instead of considering security concerns, on the one hand, and the rights and needs of civilians living in Gaza, on the other, Israel banned glucose for biscuits and the fuel needed for regular supply of electricity – paralyzing normal life in Gaza and impairing the moral character of the State of Israel. I am sorry to say that major elements of this policy are still in place.” (Gisha: Legal Center for Freedom of Movement, ‘Due to Gisha's Petition: Israel Reveals Documents related to the Gaza Closure Policy’, October 21, 2010; http://www.gisha.org/index.php?intLa...&intSiteSN=113)

As Saeed Bannoura of the International Middle East Media Center reports, the Israeli government imposed a deliberate policy:

“in which the dietary needs for the population of Gaza are chillingly calculated, and the amounts of food let in by the Israeli government measured to remain just enough to keep the population alive at a near-starvation level. This documents the statement made by a number of Israeli officials that they are ‘putting the people of Gaza on a diet’.” (Saeed Bannoura, ‘Israeli government documents show deliberate policy to keep Gazans at near-starvation levels’, International Middle East Media Center, November 6, 2010 21:32; http://www.imemc.org/article/59843)

Bannoura adds:

“This release of documents also severely undermines Israel's oft-made claim that the siege is ‘for security reasons’, as it documents a deliberate and systematic policy of collective punishment of the entire population of Gaza.”

When Israel and the United States were reacting to Hamas’s election victory in Gaza in January 2006, long-time Israeli government adviser Dov Weisglass stated:

“The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger.” (‘Hamas readies for government, Israel prepares sanctions’, Agence France Presse, February 16, 2006)

The released documents contain actual equations used by the Israeli government to calculate the exact amounts of food, fuel and other necessities needed to do exactly that. (‘Submitted to Gisha in the framework of a Freedom of Information Act Petition, AP 2744/09 Gisha v. Defense Ministry’, Appendices B, C and D; http://gisha.org/UserFiles/File/Hidd...IAPetition.pdf)

The policy is all the more disturbing, indeed repellent, given that almost half the people of Gaza are children under the age of eighteen. One might reasonably conclude that Israel has deliberately forced the undernourishment of hundreds of thousands of children in direct violation of international law and the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Media Response? A Polite Silence

Our searches of the Nexis newspaper database show that, as far as we could determine, not a single UK newspaper has reported the release of these ****ing Israeli documents. We widened our searches to include all English-language publications covered worldwide by Nexis. We found just two: one from the Palestine News Network on October 21 and one in Palestine Chronicle on November 6.

We were so surprised by the uniform silence across the English-language press that we asked US-based media analyst David Peterson to check our findings. He was able to do so, spelling out his search results as follows (email to Media Lens, November 11, 2010):

Major World Publications: zero

All News (English): two (the same two that we found, as mentioned above)

Broadcast Transcripts: zero

A search of the Factiva database (covering all major English-language newspapers and wire services) found the same results. Peterson commented:

“No mentions in any of the major English-language newspapers or wire services of the fact that someone had revealed the actual Israeli government policy towards the Gaza Palestinians is to force a ‘deliberate reduction’ in their access to the necessities of everyday survival.”

It takes a peculiar form of social malaise for this astonishing media silence to be maintained in ostensibly free societies.


The Fiercely “Independent” BBC

On November 11, an online BBC article reported on the Gaza blockade but made no mention of the released documents. (Jon Donnison, ‘UN: No change in Gaza despite easing of Israel blockade’ BBC news online, November 11, 2010 Last updated at 00:25; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11731695)

Reporter Jon Donnison wrote:

“The UN says there has been ‘no material change” for people in Gaza since Israel announced it was ‘easing’ its economic blockade of the Palestinian territory.”

Jon Ging, the head of UN operations in Gaza, said few people had noticed any difference:

“There's been no material change for the people on the ground here in terms of their status, the aid dependency, the absence of any recovery or reconstruction, no economy.”

Ging continued:

“The easing, as it was described, has been nothing more than a political easing of the pressure on Israel and Egypt.”

The BBC gave the final word to Yigal Palmor, a spokesman for the Israeli foreign ministry:

“Why is the border blockaded? Because the territory has been overtaken by a declared terror movement."

This assertion that the Gaza blockade is motivated by security concerns went unchallenged.

World News Today, presented by Zeinab Badawi on BBC4, broadcast a piece by Donnison along similar lines to his article. (BBC World News Today, BBC4, Thursday, November 11, 2010, 7pm; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwxZXfRTdj0)

We wrote to Jon Donnison and asked whether he was aware that the Israeli human rights group Gisha had obtained Israeli government documents confirming that the collective punishment of Gaza is based on politics, not security. We asked him:

“Have you reported the release of these documents?

“Will you be pursuing it in a new article?” (Email, November 11, 2010)

We emailed again on November 16 but have received no response to date.

Compare and contrast the BBC’s performance on this story with a new Foreign Office-sponsored piece on the BBC by news presenter Zeinab Badawi:

“Transparency, accountability of government actions is absolutely crucial. And frankly that’s the role of the media. You know, shining a harsh spotlight on truths and sunlight, after all, is a very strong antiseptic, isn’t it?” (‘Zeinab Badawi says freedom of expression is cornerstone of democracy in Britain’, November 5, 2010; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rQM-...layer_embedded)

Badawi added that “the BBC’s constitution means that we absolutely, +absolutely+ cherish and protect and fight for our independence. We don't even have an arm's length relationship with the government, we just don’t deal with the government at all.”

Badawi continued the self-adulation:

“It [the BBC] really is a vital, vital tool for the dissemination of information in all sorts of ways. All these things have really served to underscore that freedom of speech that we have in this country. And I suppose the BBC best epitomises that tradition.”

She concluded:

“I'm very proud to be an employee of the BBC.”

http://www.medialens.org/alerts/
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abu198890
02-24-2011, 03:12 AM
I don't understand why America and Israel can't mind their own business. They invade countries, kill hundred of thousands of people and ***** that they are victims. And when we hit back, that gives them an excuse to kill more of us. There ass'
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سيف الله
06-02-2011, 02:38 PM
Salaam

Turks mark anniv. of attack on Mavi Marmara

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سيف الله
06-03-2011, 01:45 PM
Salaam

Turkey Warns Israel Against Attacking Upcoming Solidarity Flotilla

As peace activists and human rights groups prepare for sailing to Gaza next month, Turkish Foreign Minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, warned Israel against a new attack against the flotilla, similar to its attack against the Freedom Flotilla in International Waters killing nine Turkish activist and wounding dozens before towing the ship to Ashdod Port.

Israeli Yedioth Aharonoth reported that Davutoglu said during an interview with the Sydney Morning Herald that Israel has the moral and international responsibility to lift the siege on Gaza, adding that the UN-fact finding commission has deemed the siege as illegal. “Last year, Israel attacked the flotilla while it was 72 miles away from the coast, killed and wounded dozens of activists”, Davutoglu said, “The attack was in International water, the Mediterranean is not the property of any country.

Meanwhile, Chairman of the Turkish Humanitarian Relief (IHH), stated that the Turkish ship (Mavi Marmara), which was attacked last year and the army violently intercepted the Freedom Flotilla, will be heading back to Gaza, and that the ship will carry the same name and is set to sail later in this coming May.

Israel has been contacting several European Countries and the United States in an attempt to convince them to discourage their citizens from participating in the flotilla, and to try to prevent the sail.

Davutoglu told the Sydney Morning Herald that his country will not attempt to stop the ships from sailing from its ports, but will advise the passenger on anticipated dangers. Preparations for the new Flotilla are ongoing in North American, Europe, Asia, South American, Australia and Africa. Approximately 15 ships, carrying more than a thousand persons, including reporters, human rights workers, technicians and activists, will be sailing simultaneously by the end of this coming May.

In light of the new announcement, Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, called for a meeting of his Cabinet Wednesday morning to prepare a response. Netanyahu had previously appealed to the United Nations to prevent the flotilla from trying to enter Gaza, but the UN did not respond.

http://www.lifeline4gaza.org/2011/05...rity-flotilla/
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سيف الله
06-03-2011, 01:46 PM
Salaam

Turkey Warns Israel Against Attacking Upcoming Solidarity Flotilla

As peace activists and human rights groups prepare for sailing to Gaza next month, Turkish Foreign Minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, warned Israel against a new attack against the flotilla, similar to its attack against the Freedom Flotilla in International Waters killing nine Turkish activist and wounding dozens before towing the ship to Ashdod Port.

Israeli Yedioth Aharonoth reported that Davutoglu said during an interview with the Sydney Morning Herald that Israel has the moral and international responsibility to lift the siege on Gaza, adding that the UN-fact finding commission has deemed the siege as illegal. “Last year, Israel attacked the flotilla while it was 72 miles away from the coast, killed and wounded dozens of activists”, Davutoglu said, “The attack was in International water, the Mediterranean is not the property of any country.

Meanwhile, Chairman of the Turkish Humanitarian Relief (IHH), stated that the Turkish ship (Mavi Marmara), which was attacked last year and the army violently intercepted the Freedom Flotilla, will be heading back to Gaza, and that the ship will carry the same name and is set to sail later in this coming May.

Israel has been contacting several European Countries and the United States in an attempt to convince them to discourage their citizens from participating in the flotilla, and to try to prevent the sail.

Davutoglu told the Sydney Morning Herald that his country will not attempt to stop the ships from sailing from its ports, but will advise the passenger on anticipated dangers. Preparations for the new Flotilla are ongoing in North American, Europe, Asia, South American, Australia and Africa. Approximately 15 ships, carrying more than a thousand persons, including reporters, human rights workers, technicians and activists, will be sailing simultaneously by the end of this coming May.

In light of the new announcement, Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, called for a meeting of his Cabinet Wednesday morning to prepare a response. Netanyahu had previously appealed to the United Nations to prevent the flotilla from trying to enter Gaza, but the UN did not respond.

http://www.lifeline4gaza.org/2011/05...rity-flotilla/
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UmmuShaheed
01-17-2012, 02:00 AM
Mashallah! May Allah help them!! I really so hope the aid gets to them.. And may Allah send more people to help them
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sister herb
06-04-2012, 05:08 AM
El-Khoudary: Marmara anniversary should refocus attention on Gaza siege
[ 31/05/2012 - 02:36 PM ]


GAZA,(PIC)-- Independent MP Jamal El-Khoudary, the head of the Popular Committee Against Siege on Gaza, said that the anniversary of the Turkish ship Marmara's massacre has to pave the way for more intensive efforts to end the siege imposed on the Gaza strip.

El-Khoudary greeted in a statement on Wednesday the Turkish ship's martyrs and their families and the Turkish government and people and the Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan particularly for his supportive positions for the Palestinian people.

"Turkey is a model of coherence and integration between governmental and non-governmental institutions, and between the Turkish president and heads of government and Parliament who work in parallel for the support of the Palestinian cause,” he added.

"The Marmara massacre marked a milestone in the Israeli siege of Gaza and showed the Palestinian people that the occupation has partially eased the siege in the face of international pressure,” he said.

Khudary stressed that an end to the siege means opening all borders and allowing all kinds of goods in addition to reopening the Gaza airport and passage between the West Bank and Gaza.

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/d...l%2fnvgAyUs%3d
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sister herb
11-03-2012, 05:41 PM
Court to hear 490 witnesses against Israel in Mavi Marmara case
Middle East Monitor

November 2, 2012

A criminal court in Istanbul is due to begin the hearing of 490 witnesses from 37 countries in the case against Israeli officials responsible for the murderous attack on the Mavi Marmara. Nine Turkish citizens were killed by Israeli commandos during the assault in May 2010. According to Turkish newspaper Sabah, the court will also hear the testimony of Haneen Zoabi, an Arab member of the Israeli parliament.

Israel's former Chief of the General Staff, Gabi Ashkenazi, the Air Force Chief, the Director of Israeli Intelligence and the Commander of the Israeli Navy are all charged with the offences committed during the assault on the Turkish flagged vessel which was part of a humanitarian convoy to the Gaza Strip when it was attacked in international waters. The indictments include attempted murder, causing physical damage, confiscation of the freedom of individuals and causing damage to the property of others. The prosecution has demanded the jailing of those accused in this case for terms ranging from 9 to 32 years.

Hussein Ouchar, representing IHH, the Turkish relief agency responsible for organising the convoy, told Sabah that the NGO will be submitting the UN Report into the attack as part of their evidence. "The UN Report emphasises Israel's use of excessive force," said Ouchar. "In addition, the forensic report confirms that the cause of death was live bullets fired from very close range and that Israel washed the dead bodies with unusual chemicals."

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m92325&hd=&size=1&l=e
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sister herb
11-06-2012, 05:18 PM
Istanbul: Trial of Israeli officers over Freedom Flotilla attack
[ 06/11/2012 - 01:23 PM ]




ISTANBUL, (PIC)-- A court in Turkey started, on Tuesday, the trial of four former Israeli military commanders over their role in the murder of nine Turkish activists on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla in 2010 which was carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza.

The first hearing of the Mavi Marmara trial will begin at Çağlayan Courthouse at 9:30 a.m. on Nov. 6 and it will continue for three days with breaks. The Criminal Court in Istanbul is considered the largest Turkish court in criminal matters.

Flotilla passengers from Turkey and other parts of the world, relatives of the Mavi Marmara martyrs and their lawyers will be attending the trial, in addition to Arab communities in Istanbul, and Hikma association that is concerned with the affairs of Arab communities, PIC reporter stated.

The Turkish Humanitarian Relief Foundation (IHH) defined the case against four Israeli military officials as the largest international case in which representatives from 37 countries had been attacked.

The Mavi Marmara case is the common case of the human family which has diverse religious, ethnic and cultural backgrounds just like the colorful group that met onboard the Mavi Marmara, IHH added.

Judicial efforts have been made concerning the Israeli attack at the national level, IHH explained, adding that 40 countries in the United Nations Human Rights Council condemned the Israeli attack and found out after an investigation that Israel violated human rights and international law by committing the crimes of willful killing; torture or inhumane treatment; willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, arbitrary detention and arrest.

The report, approved by the UN Human Rights Council, confirmed that the blockade imposed on the Gaza Strip is illegal, and that attempts to break the siege are legitimate.

The case was filed at the İstanbul 7th High Criminal Court on May 28, 2012 against Israeli commanders who took part in the Mavi Marmara attack after an investigation by İstanbul Chief Public Prosecutor’s Office.

The trial will continue for three days, and it will be closely followed by human rights observers from Turkey and abroad, media members, jurists and representatives of non-governmental organizations.

The suspects in the trial include former Israeli Defense Forces Chief of General Staff Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi, Naval Forces commander Vice Adm. Eliezer Marom, Israel's military intelligence chief Maj. Gen. Amos Yadlin and Air Forces Intelligence head Brig. Gen. Avishai Levi.

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/d...TKJjJ%2fVmA%3d
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