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Argamemnon
05-24-2010, 12:26 AM
Turkish aid ships set sail for Gaza


A contingent of Turkish ships has set sail for the Gaza Strip in order to break the blockade of the region and deliver humanitarian aid to Gazans.

The three cargo vessels left Istanbul on Saturday to join an international fleet organized by the human rights organization, Free Gaza Movement.

The seaport was overwhelmed by thousands of well-wishers, who had come to show their support for the people of Gaza, Press TV correspondent Hassan Ghani reported.

Before departing, the organizers from different countries, including: Greece, Ireland and Sweden, outlined their reasons for joining the project and warned Israel not to interfere with the humanitarian act.

"Even if Israel stops us, if we have to swim, we will swim to Gaza," said Noorazman Shamsuddin, one of the organizers.

The Israeli navy, which has prevented many ships from entering the coastal region, has told the aid vessels not to come to the Gaza Strip.

The Free Gaza Movement is coordinating with numerous pro-Palestinian groups in the Freedom Flotilla project. The nine-vessel flotilla is set to cast anchor at the docks of Gaza on Thursday.

The Freedom Flotilla convoy is carrying 5,000 tons of construction material, medical equipment, and school supplies, as well as around 600 people from 40 countries.

Since 2007, the siege of Gaza has deprived 1.5 million Palestinians of fuel, food, and other basic necessities.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020204
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جوري
05-24-2010, 02:29 AM
That is nice.. man as awful as the last of the Ottomans were, I can't help but think of what better shape we'd be in if we were united under one empire ..
Even the army of 'Peter the Great' whom I am fond of his leadership abilities conquest after conquest had to retreat against the Ottomans .. oh glory days are long behind us and their retrieval is proving a challenge day after day.. at least this ship is a good start..

Jazaka Allah khyran for sharing and I pray you are doing better today insha'Allah

:w:
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جوري
05-24-2010, 02:34 AM
on a tangential note: I must admit I find the name noorzaman shamsdeen intriguing = light of the ages sun of the creed .. :lol: fascinating .. I enjoy Turkish names alot..
my friend from undergrad was called the last rose.. no other culture I have come across has such tinctured names.. :smile:

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Argamemnon
05-24-2010, 03:02 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
That is nice.. man as awful as the last of the Ottomans were, I can't help but think of what better shape we'd be in if we were united under one empire ..
Even the army of 'Peter the Great' whom I am fond of his leadership abilities conquest after conquest had to retreat against the Ottomans .. oh glory days are long behind us and their retrieval is proving a challenge day after day.. at least this ship is a good start..

Jazaka Allah khyran for sharing and I pray you are doing better today insha'Allah

:w:
i don't know if one empire would be practical? but we should always be supporting each other politically, militarily and economically and act as one block against our enemies. if muslim nations truly worked together (like the West does today) i believe we would be able to keep imperialist warmongers out of the middle east.. syria and iraq have become strategic partners of turkey (thanks to foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu). i hope all nations in the region will adopt the mindset "together we stand, divided we fall"... anyway, i might be dreaming too much but i'm rather passionate about this, lol..

Jazak Allah, i've been feeling better today (which might be bad news for tomorrow)

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Argamemnon
05-24-2010, 03:10 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
on a tangential note: I must admit I find the name noorzaman shamsdeen intriguing = light of the ages sun of the creed .. :lol: fascinating .. I enjoy Turkish names alot..
my friend from undergrad was called the last rose.. no other culture I have come across has such tinctured names.. :smile:

:w:
lol.. that name is probably not turkish (sounds persian/kurdish or pakistani/urdu).. i've never heard of the name 'noor zaman' but we do have the name shemseddin.. we write all arabic and persian words differently, in a more turkified way, lol. yes i think we have a lot of ridiculous names :w:
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JETforce
05-24-2010, 03:14 AM
Neat journey. I wonder what will happen to them.
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جوري
05-24-2010, 03:22 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
i don't know if one empire would be practical? but we should always be supporting each other politically, militarily and economically and act as one block against our enemies. if muslim nations truly worked together (like the West does today) i believe we would be able to keep imperialist warmongers out of the middle east.. syria and iraq have become strategic partners of turkey (thanks to foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu). i hope all nations in the region will adopt the mindset "together we stand, divided we fall"... anyway, i might be dreaming too much but i'm rather passionate about this, lol..

Jazak Allah, i've been feeling better today (which might be bad news for tomorrow)

:w:
Insha'Allah it will happen, but we need slow change.. I think they fear that change because it is impending!

(about feeling better today) you know having 'relapses' so to speak isn't a 'setback' just bumps on the road.. you have crossed major hurdles and must know that even the best of the best have bad days.. not ever bump on the road is fatal, you must constantly remind yourself of that!

format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
lol.. that name is probably not turkish (sounds persian/kurdish or pakistani/urdu).. i've never heard of the name 'noor zaman' but we do have the name shemseddin.. we write all arabic and persian words differently, in a more turkified way, lol. yes i think we have a lot of ridiculous names :w:
I think the names are cuuuuuuuuute :smile:

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ardianto
05-28-2010, 02:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
lol.. that name is probably not turkish (sounds persian/kurdish or pakistani/urdu)..
Noorzaman is Arabic name, but maybe is not popular in Arabia. However, there are some Indonesian who have name "Nurzaman", from Nur/Noor (light) and Zaman (age).
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ardianto
05-28-2010, 02:43 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by JETforce
Neat journey. I wonder what will happen to them.
Blockaded by Israeli navy. I heard it from the news.
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Zafran
05-28-2010, 02:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
That is nice.. man as awful as the last of the Ottomans were, I can't help but think of what better shape we'd be in if we were united under one empire ..
Even the army of 'Peter the Great' whom I am fond of his leadership abilities conquest after conquest had to retreat against the Ottomans .. oh glory days are long behind us and their retrieval is proving a challenge day after day.. at least this ship is a good start..

Jazaka Allah khyran for sharing and I pray you are doing better today insha'Allah

:w:
'Suleimen the magnificent' had similar achievements. Conquest after conquest until the siege of Vienna.
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CosmicPathos
05-28-2010, 02:59 PM
Sr. Lily: check out persian and afghani names. I had a "male" friend named Gul. Gul means flower. Our Afghani neighbors, they had a baby born. They named him Limar Shams. It means Sun Sun :D But he definitely is one Sun, mashAllah. Green eyes, goldenish hair and you can see the veins under his white skin.

Dont forget the name Samandar Khan. It means Ocean Khan. My dad's friend, his name was Atlas (yes Atlas!) Khan. :D

Another Persian/Urdu name is Gul Bahaar which means the flower of spring. I had an English teacher in grade 8, his name was Gulab Khan which means Rose Khan. So yes. Our side of the world is intriguing. Allhamdulillah :p
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Argamemnon
05-30-2010, 12:32 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist
Sr. Lily: check out persian and afghani names. I had a "male" friend named Gul. Gul means flower. Our Afghani neighbors, they had a baby born. They named him Limar Shams. It means Sun Sun :D But he definitely is one Sun, mashAllah. Green eyes, goldenish hair and you can see the veins under his white skin.

Dont forget the name Samandar Khan. It means Ocean Khan. My dad's friend, his name was Atlas (yes Atlas!) Khan. :D

Another Persian/Urdu name is Gul Bahaar which means the flower of spring. I had an English teacher in grade 8, his name was Gulab Khan which means Rose Khan. So yes. Our side of the world is intriguing. Allhamdulillah :p
Gül also means flower in Turkish (I assume it's a Turkish word). We have lots of Persian and Arabic words, but Mustafa Kemal tried to 'purify' the Turkish language hence now we have much less Arabic/Persian words than during the Ottoman period. When I read something from the Ottoman period (only 100 years ago) I can't understand it.. it sounds extremely Persian/Arabic.

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Argamemnon
05-30-2010, 12:42 AM
I despise these people so much, I seriously wish I could get my hands on them.

Israel orders Navy to block Flotilla

Israel has tasked its Navy with intercepting the relief convoy of nine ships which is set to break the Tel Aviv-imposed siege of the Gaza Strip.

A number of Israeli warships were deployed on Saturday to confront the Freedom Flotilla, which is to depart from the Cypriot coast for the impoverished coastal sliver, The Hindu reported.

Press TV's correspondent Ashraf Shannon also said that there was a heavy presence of Israeli gunboats by Gaza's seashore.

The fleet consists of Turkish, Irish, British, and Greek vessels and was to take some 750 activists and around 10,000 tons of construction material, medical equipment and school supplies to Gaza.

Organizers, however, said on Saturday that at least two of the vessels are unlikely to make it as their hydraulic systems had broken down "under suspicious circumstances,” the German Press Agency (DPA) reported.

Under pressure from Tel Aviv's, Cypriot officials have refused to let the broken vessels to dock for repairs. Twenty-five international politicians, activists and artists were also barred from joining the group on Friday.

Best-selling Swedish author Hanning Mankell, who was prevented from joining the fleet in Cyprus said "restricting our freedom of movement will just contribute to further drawing the world's attention to the protracted and total limitation of the freedom of movement for inhabitants in Gaza."

Mankell called for the lifting of the blockade of Gaza.

According to the DPA report, the fleet will be deciding whether to set sail on Saturday or Sunday.

Tel Aviv has imposed a land, air, and sea blockade on Gaza since mid-June 2007, when the Palestinian resistance movement of Hamas gained control of the territory. The restrictions have deprived the enclave's nearly 1.5-million people of food, fuel, and other necessities.

Israel has threatened to either jail or deport activists and politicians onboard the ships, should they reach the strip.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020202
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جوري
05-30-2010, 01:15 AM
lol at those names..I am that pale too I never found the vein beneath the skin thing attractive especially when you don't have blond hair to attenuate the sharp contrast.. I am looking into sunless tanning lotions ..

interesting News br. Argamenon (and hope this day finds you well insha'Allah)
wonder why this isn't getting any attention at all from the local news channels here .. The colonial settler state can do no wrong of course.. sometimes it is so absurd to even think that these colonialists have the temerity and after all they have done starting with colonizing, bombing, and torturing another country and for over 6 decades to stop aid from coming in. What kind of sub animal creations are these turds? May Allah swt dam n them in this life and the one to come..

ameen
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Rabi Mansur
05-30-2010, 03:05 AM
:sl:

What purpose is served by a blockade of humanitarian aid? I don't get it. What is Israel afraid of that they would blockade humanitarian help for Gaza??? I just don't understand these people.

http://http://www.creative-i.info/20...t-top-stories/

??????

Anybody know what Israel's rationale is for the blockade?

I find it interesting that the western media has not picked up on this story at all.

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جوري
05-30-2010, 03:11 AM
their rationale is to eradicate Palestinians as has always been, either by killing them, pushing them to neighboring countries, building walls and segregating them.. whatever it takes.. only the colonial settler state has a right to exist at the price of everyone else and by any mean or tactic, bullying, carpet bombing, media lies to gain sympathies, yearly holocaust movies to deflect from the ongoing holocaust of the palis..

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nousername
05-30-2010, 06:40 AM
and I noticed no Israel supporters have anything to say on this... of course
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Snowflake
05-30-2010, 08:30 AM
Al hamdulillah. This is amazing news! :) May Allah grant them His help and blessings on their journey. Ameen.


Please brothers and sisters.. we always make dua in times of difficulty, so let us remember to thank Allah when He gives us ease. :cry:
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aadil77
05-30-2010, 11:05 AM
just watch how the cowardly IDF shoot up those boats, they'll say they're carrying weapons for hamas
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Predator
05-30-2010, 11:17 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
just watch how the cowardly IDF shoot up those boats, they'll say they're carrying weapons for hamas
And as usual US will respond saying that " Our piglet child Israel has a right to defend itself. U know they suffered a holocaust at the hands of the nazis"
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Yusuf Saeed
05-30-2010, 01:17 PM
:sl:

Here's a site which makes it really easy to keep oneself posted about what's going on with the flotilla. As much as I've understood the site is operated by the members of the flotilla themselves.

According to a 2-hours-old news there they're still planning to reach Gaza tomorrow morning.

May Allah take them there and allow them to help the Palestinian people.
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marwen
05-30-2010, 01:58 PM
A lot of aid ships were blocked in the past (I think all of them). Will this make it ? I also wonder if there is political support from the Turkish gov for this ship, because this will make Israel think twice before atacking it, otherwise it will have the same destiny probably I think. But I hope they succede inchallah !
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M.A.S.H.
05-30-2010, 02:17 PM
What Israel is doing is wrong and supporting Israel doesn't mean supporting its every action. there is a huge humanitarian crisis in Gaza and Israel is responsible for it, rather than sending 'flotilas' the international community should be strengthen pressure on Israel to open the border to basic necessities for dignified life. There is rationale behind Israeli policy, however, protecting its own citizens from bombs should not be reason for subjugating another population to such lowly conditions.
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Yusuf Saeed
05-30-2010, 02:51 PM
What Israel is doing is wrong and supporting Israel doesn't mean supporting its every action. there is a huge humanitarian crisis in Gaza and Israel is responsible for it, rather than sending 'flotilas' the international community should be strengthen pressure on Israel to open the border to basic necessities for dignified life. There is rationale behind Israeli policy, however, protecting its own citizens from bombs should not be reason for subjugating another population to such lowly conditions.
Of course the international community should be putting more pressure to stop Israel's violation of basic human rights for Palestinian people. But as we can see the international community is being rather silent about the matter and all the UN's resolutions are quite useless as well as the U.S. can veto all of those that doesn't suit to it's pro-Israeli policies. This is the very reason why organisations and people such as these who arranged for the flotilla should be thanked for their action and courage to really do something and for turning more attention to an issue that has been making more than a million people suffer daily.
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Asiyah3
05-30-2010, 03:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist
Gul means flower.
Same in Kurdish language.
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Argamemnon
05-30-2010, 04:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.A.S.H.
What Israel is doing is wrong and supporting Israel doesn't mean supporting its every action. there is a huge humanitarian crisis in Gaza and Israel is responsible for it, rather than sending 'flotilas' the international community should be strengthen pressure on Israel to open the border to basic necessities for dignified life. There is rationale behind Israeli policy, however, protecting its own citizens from bombs should not be reason for subjugating another population to such lowly conditions.
Israel has no right to 'protect' themselves from Palestinian bombs because Palestinians are living under a brutal occupation and Israel is preventing the establishment of a Palestinian state with U.S. support. Give Palestinians advanced precision-guided weapons, tanks and fighter jets, if you want them to stop killing Israeli civilians. By the way, Israel kills a hundred times more civilians.. as always the Zionist controlled western media is fooling naive westerners. I'm not surprised by your typical response.
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جوري
05-30-2010, 05:17 PM
Thing is Israel is a settler state, my mind can't wrap around settlers who have taken property by force to which they are not entitled either biblicaly, politically or under any light, feeling their urge to not just 'protect themselves' but eradicate others in the process.. I wonder where this 'sense of entitlement' comes from.. superiority complex perhaps?

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shuraimfan4lyf
05-30-2010, 05:23 PM
They want to starve the people of Ghazza to death, they dont want them to build any buildings or their economy to grow, the jews dont want Gaza to have schools so they can be literate. Thats why they are blocking ships with construction materials and other important materials. :w:
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M.A.S.H.
05-30-2010, 09:55 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
Thing is Israel is a settler state, my mind can't wrap around settlers who have taken property by force to which they are not entitled either biblicaly, politically or under any light, feeling their urge to not just 'protect themselves' but eradicate others in the process.. I wonder where this 'sense of entitlement' comes from.. superiority complex perhaps?

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They are entiled to the land politically. The Ottoman empire lost the war, Palestine and Jordan fell into British hands, the UK promised to split it between Jews and Arabs, the UN did so in 1947.
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جوري
05-31-2010, 12:24 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.A.S.H.
They are entiled to the land politically. The Ottoman empire lost the war, Palestine and Jordan fell into British hands, the UK promised to split it between Jews and Arabs, the UN did so in 1947.
The UK has no sovereignty over Muslim lands.. and if we are speaking of UN (which only makes suggestions) that the U.S and Israel seem to think they are exempt from, then we should start with how many laws they have broken. They will never simply dissolve in the area no matter how many holocaust movies they push out every year and their presence their shall be their demise insha'Allah sooner or later!

all the best
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islamirama
05-31-2010, 01:29 AM
Only place the European jews belong is back in Europe. If those Jew annihilators don't want them then send them to Africa or their protector, America. Palestinians are the natives of the land, and even the native Jews of Palestine didn't want these communist Europeans that the Anglo Europeans were trying to get rid off..
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Maryan0
05-31-2010, 03:02 AM
African land belongs to the African people but cosign with the rest...
Turkey has been stepping up lately inshallah the rest of the muslim world will too.
Salam
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-31-2010, 03:59 AM
If no one wants them, we can just deport them Antartica and Siberia. They can live there peacefully. Hopefully.
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
05-31-2010, 03:59 AM
:sl:

http://enduringamerica.com/2010/05/3...edom-flotilla/

You can watch it live. It's not in English but it seems their passengers are injured. Why? I don't know. Not sure if the live feed is continuous but I was watching it for a bit. If you speak Turkish, let us know what's being said :D

JazakAllah Khayr.
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Maryan0
05-31-2010, 04:33 AM
Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet


The Freedom Flotilla is aiming to provide aid to Gazans in defiance of an Israeli blockade

Israeli forces have attacked a flotilla of aid-carrying ships aiming to break the country's siege on Gaza, according to a Turkish aid agency being quoted by Turkish media.

At least two people were killed and more than 30 people injured, the report said early on Monday.

The flotilla was attacked when it was 65km off the Gaza coast.

Footage from the flotilla's lead vessel, the Mavi Marmara, appeared to show armed Israeli soldiers boarding the ship and helicopters flying overhead.

Earlier, the Israeli navy had contacted the captain of the Mavi Marmara, asking him to identify himself and say where the ship was headed.


Shortly after, two Israeli naval vessels had flanked the flotilla on either side, but at a distance.

Organisers of the attempted siege break, dubbed the Freedom Flotilla, then diverted their ships and slowed down to avoid a confrontation during the night.

They also issued all passengers life jackets and asked them to remain below deck.

Hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists, including a Nobel laureate and several European legislators, are with the flotilla, aiming to reach Gaza in defiance of an Israeli embargo.

But Israel has said it will not allow the flotilla to reach the Gaza Strip and vowed to stop the six ships from reaching the coastal Palestinian territory.

The flotilla had set sail from a port in Cyprus on Sunday and aimed to reach Gaza by Monday morning.

Israel said the boats were embarking on "an act of provocation" against the Israeli military, rather than providing aid, and that it had issued warrants to prohibit their entrance to Gaza.

It asserted that the flotilla would be breaking international law by landing in Gaza, a claim the organisers rejected

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...047995359.html
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جوري
05-31-2010, 04:39 AM
Let's all do our part and make constant du3a for Allah swt to dam n those Israelis to kingdom come.. with every salaat let's remember our brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers in Gaza suffering, starving, dying... let's pray for their liberation and for those Zionist pigs to be crushed, defeated and dam ed straight to hell insha'Allah where they shall rot for all eternity!
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-31-2010, 04:49 AM
You could see here where all these ugly soldiers are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan . Its a detail map of casualties for soldiers are fighting for pigs and monkey zionist. May them burn in hell.
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جوري
05-31-2010, 05:10 AM
Thank you for sharing.. ila jouhnama wa'bes al maseer insha'Allah..

4:104] And slacken not in following up the enemy: if ye are suffering hardships, they are suffering similar hardships; but ye have hope from Allah, while they have none. And Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom.
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sister herb
05-31-2010, 06:27 AM
Report; “15 killed, 30 wounded, After Army Attacks Freedom Flotilla”
Monday May 31, 2010 07:46 by Saed Bannoura - IMEMC & Agencies

In what activists have termed a 'massacre on the high seas', Israeli commandos dropped from a helicopter onto humanitarian aid ships bound for Gaza and began to open fire. Israeli media have reported that 15 have been killed and at least 30 wounded in the Israeli attack.

Senior Turkish officials held an urgent meeting to decide on the country’s stance on the Israeli attack -- initial reports have indicated that most of the killed and some of the wounded are Turkish.

Sheikh Raed Salah, head of the Islamic Movement in Israel, was also among the wounded.

Al Jazeera said that Salah suffered serious injuries.

Al Jazeera has reported that Israeli paratroopers and Navy personnel attacked the ships and opened fire in different directions at the passengers.

The Qatar-based Al Jazeera network managed to broadcast live images of the wounded activists after being attacked by the Israeli soldiers.

The Free Gaza Movement said on its twitter page that "At about 4:30 am, Israeli commandos dropped from helicopter onto deck of Turkish ship, immediately opened fire on unarmed civilians."

Israel is still threatening a larger offensive against the humanitarian ships and the activists on board.

The Freedom Flotilla was supposed to reach Gaza Monday morning, with thousands of tons of much-needed humanitarian aid, including medical supplies, school supplies and building materials.

The Israeli army had said that they would take the ships to the Ashdod Port to confiscate them and arrest the activists, but activists have reported that they believe they are being hauled to Haifa port.

Israeli blamed Turkey for the attack and claimed that the Turkish humanitarian-aid foundation (IHH) is connected to “terrorist” groups.

The army dropped paratroopers onto the ships and opened live fire at the peace activists, while the humanitarian aid ships were still in international waters.

The Israeli army reported that one soldier was wounded during the attack against the ships, although it is unclear whether the soldier was wounded by 'friendly fire'.

http://www.imemc.org/article/58811

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shuraimfan4lyf
05-31-2010, 06:37 AM
La hawla wala quwwata illa billah...I cant believe they actually attacked that ship and killed 15 people! Ya Allah..:( may Allah send his forces against this accursed nation, may Allah destroy Israel to pieces like he destroyed nations afore. may Allah give patience and victory to Mujahideen who fight for his sake...Ameen Ya rabbal Alameen.

USA right now is a big baby with a pacifier shoved in its mouth. It looks like Israel is instigating these acts to start a War with Turkey.

may Allah have mercy on those people who have died. may Allah accept their righteous deed.
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ardianto
05-31-2010, 08:21 AM
Bi ruh bi damm nafdika ya Gazzah !
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~Taalibah~
05-31-2010, 08:39 AM
Israel attacks Gaza aid fleet

Israeli forces have attacked a flotilla of aid-carrying ships aiming to break the country's siege on Gaza.
More than 10 people were killed and dozens injured when troops intercepted the convoy of ships dubbed the Freedom Flotilla early on Monday, the Israeli military said.
The Israeli Army Radio had earlier said that up to 16 people had been killed.
The flotilla was attacked in international waters, 65km off the Gaza coast.
Footage from the flotilla's lead vessel, the Mavi Marmara, showed armed Israeli soldiers boarding the ship and helicopters flying overhead.
Al Jazeera's Jamal Elshayyal, on board the Mavi Marmara, said Israeli troops had used live ammunition during the operation.
The Israeli military said four soldiers had been wounded, two of them moderately, and claimed troops opened fire after "demonstrators onboard attacked the IDF Naval personnel with live fire and light weaponry including knives and clubs".
Free Gaza Movement, the organisers of the flotilla, however, said the troops opened fire as soon as they stormed the ships.

Israeli intervention


Earlier, the Israeli navy had contacted the captain of the Mavi Marmara, asking him to identify himself and say where the ship was headed.

Shortly after, two Israeli naval vessels had flanked the flotilla on either side, but at a distance.
Organisers of the flotilla carrying 10,000 tonnes of humanitarian aid then diverted their ships and slowed down to avoid a confrontation during the night.
They also issued all passengers life jackets and asked them to remain below deck.
Al Jazeera’s Ayman Mohyeldin, reporting from Jerusalem, said the Israeli action was surprising.
"All the images being shown from the activists on board those ships show clearly that they were civilians and peaceful in nature, with medical supplies on board. So it will surprise many in the international community to learn what could have possibly led to this type of confrontation," he said.
Meanwhile, Israeli police have been put on a heightened state of alert across the country to prevent any civil disturbances.

Protests


Condemnation has been quick to pour in after the Israeli action.
Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, officially declared a three-day state of mourning over Monday's deaths.

Thousands of Turkish protesters tried to storm the Israeli consulate in Istanbul soon after the news of the operation broke. The protesters shouted "**** Israel" as police blocked them.
Turkey is also reported to have summoned the Israeli ambassador to lodge a protest.
"(The interception on the convoy) is unacceptable ... Israel will have to endure the consequences of this behaviour," the Turkish foreign ministry said in a statement.
Ismail Haniya, the Hamas leader in Gaza, has also dubbed the Israeli action as "barbaric".
Hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists, including a Nobel laureate and several European legislators, were with the flotilla, aiming to reach Gaza in defiance of an Israeli embargo.
But Israel had said it would not allow the flotilla to reach the Gaza Strip and vowed to stop the six ships from reaching the coastal Palestinian territory.
The flotilla had set sail from a port in Cyprus on Sunday and aimed to reach Gaza by Monday morning.
Israel said the boats were embarking on "an act of provocation" against the Israeli military, rather than providing aid, and that it had issued warrants to prohibit their entrance to Gaza.
It asserted that the flotilla would be breaking international law by landing in Gaza, a claim the organisers rejected.

Source
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M.A.S.H.
05-31-2010, 08:40 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
The UK has no sovereignty over Muslim lands.. and if we are speaking of UN (which only makes suggestions) that the U.S and Israel seem to think they are exempt from, then we should start with how many laws they have broken. They will never simply dissolve in the area no matter how many holocaust movies they push out every year and their presence their shall be their demise insha'Allah sooner or later!

all the best
It did have sovereignty then. Arabs were the first to break a UN decision (the partition plan). And arabs didn't want an independent Palestine anway, they were defending their own claims to the land.
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M.A.S.H.
05-31-2010, 08:43 AM
Largely too blame for the situation is the current Palestinian government and the president Mahmoud Abbas who put all the emphasis on eastern Jerusalem construction and have called it the only obstacle to peace talks, disregarding the wellbeing of the brothers in Gaza. Palestinians are so internally divided to the Fattah Hamas conflict, they are causing more harm to eachother than Israel is to any of them.
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-31-2010, 08:44 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.A.S.H.
It did have sovereignty then. Arabs were the first to break a UN decision (the partition plan). And arabs didn't want an independent Palestine anway, they were defending their own claims to the land.
What Do YOU say about these attacks by Israel on civilians who were on that ship?
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sister herb
05-31-2010, 10:29 AM
20 killed and over 60 wounded.

imsad

From Istanbul:

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Nájlá
05-31-2010, 10:42 AM
La hawla wala quwwata illa billah imsad

may Allah have mercy on those people who have died. may Allah accept their righteous deed.
Allahumaa Aameen!

Pls everyone every one remember those suffering in your ad3iyah.
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-31-2010, 11:15 AM
Most news agencies are confirming 2 casualties. Allah knows the best. Are the reports about 20 casualties authentic??
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
05-31-2010, 11:19 AM
Insane! Insane! Insane!

What is wrong with this world?

Painful. So painful.
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
05-31-2010, 11:20 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.A.S.H.
Largely too blame for the situation is the current Palestinian government and the president Mahmoud Abbas who put all the emphasis on eastern Jerusalem construction and have called it the only obstacle to peace talks, disregarding the wellbeing of the brothers in Gaza. Palestinians are so internally divided to the Fattah Hamas conflict, they are causing more harm to eachother than Israel is to any of them.
Do you have no heart? 15 people died today. I do not know from where you come - but ask yourself what made you so heartless.
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Güven
05-31-2010, 11:26 AM
What a disaster, Israel had NO right to attack those ships.

Let's see what the world has to say about this.

May Allah help our brothers and sisters.
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marwen
05-31-2010, 11:41 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
Report; “15 killed, 30 wounded, After Army Attacks Freedom Flotilla”
Monday May 31, 2010 07:46 by Saed Bannoura - IMEMC & Agencies

In what activists have termed a 'massacre on the high seas', Israeli commandos dropped from a helicopter onto humanitarian aid ships bound for Gaza and began to open fire. Israeli media have reported that 15 have been killed and at least 30 wounded in the Israeli attack.

Senior Turkish officials held an urgent meeting to decide on the country’s stance on the Israeli attack -- initial reports have indicated that most of the killed and some of the wounded are Turkish.

Sheikh Raed Salah, head of the Islamic Movement in Israel, was also among the wounded.

Al Jazeera said that Salah suffered serious injuries.

Al Jazeera has reported that Israeli paratroopers and Navy personnel attacked the ships and opened fire in different directions at the passengers.

The Qatar-based Al Jazeera network managed to broadcast live images of the wounded activists after being attacked by the Israeli soldiers.

The Free Gaza Movement said on its twitter page that "At about 4:30 am, Israeli commandos dropped from helicopter onto deck of Turkish ship, immediately opened fire on unarmed civilians."

Israel is still threatening a larger offensive against the humanitarian ships and the activists on board.

The Freedom Flotilla was supposed to reach Gaza Monday morning, with thousands of tons of much-needed humanitarian aid, including medical supplies, school supplies and building materials.

The Israeli army had said that they would take the ships to the Ashdod Port to confiscate them and arrest the activists, but activists have reported that they believe they are being hauled to Haifa port.

Israeli blamed Turkey for the attack and claimed that the Turkish humanitarian-aid foundation (IHH) is connected to “terrorist” groups.

The army dropped paratroopers onto the ships and opened live fire at the peace activists, while the humanitarian aid ships were still in international waters.

The Israeli army reported that one soldier was wounded during the attack against the ships, although it is unclear whether the soldier was wounded by 'friendly fire'.

http://www.imemc.org/article/58811

:heated:
Ladies and gentelmen, that's Israel !
May Allah destroy it and all its allies !
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aadil77
05-31-2010, 11:42 AM
May they rot in hell
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czgibson
05-31-2010, 11:43 AM
Greetings,

I can't see how Israel can justify this kind of behaviour.

format_quote Originally Posted by Güven
Let's see what the world has to say about this.
Here are a few reactions from people quoted on the BBC news website. Interesting to see Ahmadinejad saying he thinks this event brings the end of the Israeli regime closer than ever. Does anyone think this could genuinely be a turning point or should we just put that down to rhetoric?

The BBC is reporting the number of deaths as being "more than ten".

Peace
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Yusuf Saeed
05-31-2010, 11:48 AM
:sl:

It's extremely horrible what the Israeli soldiers have done and there was no justification for them to occupy a vessel and open fire on helpless civilians and this whole thing should
be regarded as no less than cold-blooded murder. Indeed as previous posters have said let us remember the dead ones in our duas and pray for that they may enter Jannah.

I'm afraid that the whole incident will just as usual end with bigger part of the international community condemning the act but noone really taking any action against Israel's policies.
These condemnations by different countries can only be seen as mere formalities as long as they don't really do anything to change the situation in the Middle-East where Israel is
allowed to do anything including murder of innocent people yet Palestinians need permission for the smallest things such as going to school or hospital through the Israeli-controlled checkpoints.

Also, as it was an attack against a Turkish ship in international waters why don't the NATO use article 5 according to which an attack on any member shall be considered to be an attack on all the NATO members? Oh, I actually get it why: the NATO is too busy killing civilians in Afghanistan.
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-31-2010, 11:52 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
I knew those *******s would attack them, fkin cowards
:salamext: Akhee, I love you for sake of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. Swearing is not going to help. Be patient and make dua for them. Fa sabrun Jameel.

I read one comment on a youtube video regarding this incident. It said "Israel just signed its Death warrant"
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glo
05-31-2010, 12:04 PM
Shocking news! :cry:
I am still trying to get the full picture ...
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czgibson
05-31-2010, 12:20 PM
Greetings,

I just heard the BBC news on the radio; they're now saying the number of deaths is at least ten and possibly as many as nineteen.

Echoing glo's post above, we don't really know if we have the full picture yet, but it certainly doesn't look good for Israel at this point.

Peace
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marwen
05-31-2010, 12:30 PM
Israel is trying to make a media blackout about these events so they can publish their lies and their pre-fabricated story. But I think this time no one will believe them.



They're trying to hide information as possible as they can, but unfortunately for them the news are already "leaked".

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aadil77
05-31-2010, 12:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,

I just heard the BBC news on the radio; they're now saying the number of deaths is at least ten and possibly as many as nineteen.

Echoing glo's post above, we don't really know if we have the full picture yet, but it certainly doesn't look good for Israel at this point.

Peace
do you agree this was an act of terrorism? or are you going to wait until israel claims it was attacked first?
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aadil77
05-31-2010, 12:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
Shocking news! :cry:
I am still trying to get the full picture ...
what full picture is there? every ship was searched for so called 'weapons' before they left their ports
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czgibson
05-31-2010, 12:35 PM
Greetings,
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
do you agree this was an act of terrorism? or are you going to wait until israel claims it was attacked first?
If my understanding of the story is correct, then it could be classified as an act of terrorism since it sounds like civilians have been targeted. The Israelis have already claimed they were attacked first, which I find hard to believe.

I could be wrong, though.

Peace
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marwen
05-31-2010, 12:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,
If my understanding of the story is correct, then it could be classified as an act of terrorism since it sounds like civilians have been targeted. The Israelis have already claimed they were attacked first, which I find hard to believe.

I could be wrong, though.

Peace
Yes, it's a lie of course. How can these people attack the Israeli Army (by foods ?). And why should they attack Israel ? As I know, they were avoiding the israeli soldiers as possible as they can.
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aadil77
05-31-2010, 12:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson
Greetings,


If my understanding of the story is correct, then it could be classified as an act of terrorism since it sounds like civilians have been targeted. The Israelis have already claimed they were attacked first, which I find hard to believe.

I could be wrong, though.

Peace
just for once will you zionists accept that the IDF are terrorists, with no ifs and no buts? they are an internationally recognised and supported terrorist group why can't you accept that?

this time the civilians were in the middle of an ocean surrounded by warships, why would anyone risk carrying weapons knowing that zionazi's will look for the smallest excuse to massacre them all?
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 12:53 PM
Israeli forces attack aid Gaza aid flotilla, kill activists

Israeli commandos on Monday stormed six ships carrying hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists on an aid mission to the blockaded Gaza Strip, killing as many as 19 people and wounding dozens after encountering unexpected resistance as the forces boarded the vessels.

Israel's Channel 10 TV said 19 passengers were killed and 36 wounded when Israeli commandos stormed ships carrying Palestinian activists and aid to the besieged Gaza Strip on Monday.

According to the private channel, Israeli marine commandos had opened fire after being attacked with axes and knives by a number of the passengers on board the aid ships, the television said, without giving the source of its information.

It was not clear whether the clashes were taking place on just one of the six boats making up the aid convoy, and the Israeli army had no immediate comment on the incident.

Shortly afterwards, the Israeli military censor ordered a block on all information regarding those injured or killed during the storming of the ship.

The attack on the flotilla, which included a Turkish-flagged vessel and Turkish crew, may widen a rift between the two countries dating back to Israel’s three-week military offensive on the Gaza strip in 2008. The two countries have a military cooperation accord, but Turkey refused to invite Israel jets to participate in exercises last year.

Turkey’s Foreign Ministry condemned the Israeli raid, saying it may permanently damage relations.

“By targeting innocent civilians, Israel has once again showed completely clearly that it counts human life and peace-making initiatives as nothing,” according to the ministry’s e-mail statement Monday morning. “This regrettable act, carried out in international waters in serious violation of international law, may cause damage to our relations that will be impossible to repair.

“Israel will have to bear the consequences of this behavior that breaches international law,” the Turkish statement said. “Whatever the justification, it is impossible to accept such actions against civilians engaged in peace-making activities.”

News channels say Turkish police have blocked dozens of stone-throwing protesters who tried to storm the Israeli Consulate in Istanbul following reports of the Israeli attack on the Gaza-bound aid ships in international waters.

Broadcasters CNNTürk and NTV showed dozens of angry protesters scuffling with Turkish police Monday. Murat Mercan, a lawmaker from Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's ruling party, said he believed Israel is "engaged in activity that will extremely hurt its image." Protesters also gathered outside the Israeli ambassador's residence in the Turkish capital. Israel denied its forces attacked the boats but said they would keep them away from Gaza.

Hamas on Monday urged Arabs and Muslims to "rise up" in front of Israeli embassies across the globe in protest against Israel's deadly raid on a fleet of aid ships destined for the Gaza Strip. "We call on all Arabs and Muslims to rise up in front of Zionist embassies across the whole world," said Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri, using the Arabic word “intifada.” The Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniya slammed the "ugly attack" in a statement in which he called for "the United Nations to protect the activists" on board the boats.

Israel on Monday expressed "sorrow" for those killed when Israeli navy seals stormed the aid convoy, an Israeli Cabinet minister said.

"I can only express my sorrow over all the deaths," Industry and Trade Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer told army radio by phone from Doha where he is attending the World Economic Forum.


SOURCE: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.p...sts-2010-05-31


May Allah grant them the highest levels of Jannah and the status of shaheed :(
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sister herb
05-31-2010, 12:55 PM
We will return and return until Palestine is free.
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 12:58 PM
May Allah grant all the Muslims who died the highest level of Jannah and the status of shaheed, I can't control my anger now.
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sister herb
05-31-2010, 12:58 PM
At the sea were also ship from Algeria. Egypt kidnapped it.
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 01:00 PM
Turkey withdraws envoy to Israel, calls urgent UN meeting, deputy PM says

Turkey's deputy prime minister said Turkey was withdrawing its ambassador to Israel, canceling three joint military exercises and calling on the U.N. Security Council to meet urgently over Israeli action against Gaza aid ships.

Bülent Arınç said Turkey was withdrawing its ambassador on Monday, saying that Israel's actions were equal to "piracy," The Associated Press reported.

Israeli commandos raided parts of the flotilla early Monday morning, killing at least 10 passengers. Arınç said about 400 out of 581 passengers on the main aid ship, the Mavi Marmara, are Turks.

"Not only Turkish citizens but the whole world will condemn Israel's bloody attack on peace and humanitarian values," Arınç said in televised remarks Monday.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu called on the U.N. Security Council for an urgent meeting.

Arınç also said Turkish Defense Minister Vecdi Gönül called Ehud Barak, his Israeli counterpart, and listed the following demands:

- Security and repatriation of Turkish citizens

- Treatment for the wounded

- Return of the ships

"We want to treat the wounded in Turkey and emergency helicopters are ready for the task," Arınç said. "Israel's assault is a sort of piracy in the open sea. Israel should lift the embargo and deliver the aid to the Palestinian people."

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.p...aks-2010-05-31
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Cabdullahi
05-31-2010, 01:03 PM
[17:8] It may be that your Lord may (yet) show Mercy unto you; but if ye revert (to your sins), We shall revert (to Our punishments): And we have made Hell a prison for those who reject (all Faith).
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 01:06 PM
I've read some extremely absurd comments by westerners like "Turkey had this coming!", "shame on Turkey!"... is this western civilization? You are the most barbaric people in the world, have always been and will always be. May Allah destroy all our enemies.
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-31-2010, 01:10 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
At the sea were also ship from Algeria. Egypt kidnapped it.
Thats cause Hosni Mubarak(La'natullahi alayk) is a hungry dog of the western governments. Where are all the Israel lovers?? I guess they have no excuse to back Israel this time, that is why they are hiding themselves.

May Allah send disasters to Israel like the disasters of Aad and Nooh. may Allah give severe punishment to the hypocrites who keep their mouth shut. Oh Allah take care of these Pigs and Monkeys who kill your slaves and mock at your religion..‘O Allaah! You are Peace, and from You is Peace! Blessed are You, O possessor of Majesty and Honor!’ Laa Illaha Illa anta subhaanak inna kunna mina atthalimeen. Oh Allah unite the muslims and join our hearts on one belief. oh Allah send the khalifah to this ummah, which is in need of justice. :(
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marwen
05-31-2010, 01:18 PM
^ Aameen ! May Allah make the death of Israel near and give palestinians it's freedom, they suffered for long time without support from others:unhappy:
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aadil77
05-31-2010, 01:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
I've read some extremely absurd comments by westerners like "Turkey had this coming!", "shame on Turkey!"... is this western civilization? You are the most barbaric people in the world, have always been and will always be. May Allah destroy all our enemies.
they are all filthy zionist kaffirs, they will be humiliated in jahanum, May Allah torment them in the deepest parts of hell

so far they're defending their terrorism by saying:
- the people attacked were extremists (probably cause they had beards)
- they had weapons (probably kitchen knives or broomsticks)
- they were acting violent (probably begging for their lives)
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IslamicRevival
05-31-2010, 01:28 PM
What can i say that hasn't been said before? :cry:
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-31-2010, 01:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
they are all filthy zionist kaffirs, they will be humiliated in jahanum, May Allah torment them in the deepest parts of hell

so far they're defending their terrorism by saying:
- the people attacked were extremists (probably cause they had beards)
- they had weapons (probably kitchen knives or broomsticks)
- they were acting violent (probably begging for their lives)
Israel tries so hard to make themselves look soo innocent by blaming everything on the people they have just killed. Even if the people were acting violent, its because they are protecting themselves from something Naajis (pigs). Thats how low these Zionists are. Most of Israel's population has to serve army. So I wouldnt mind if few rockets hit here and there. may Allah make it come true.
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Abdul Wahid
05-31-2010, 01:38 PM
Zionist Nazi's. The biggest terrorists in the world yet the Western world will not bat an eye-lid.

Low life scum of a country.

If this isn't terrorism then what is. These brave people were unarmed and all they were trying to do was to deiver aid to the malnourished Palestinians of Gaza. Yet they were attacked and killed.

format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf
May Allah send disasters to Israel like the disasters of Aad and Nooh. may Allah give severe punishment to the hypocrites who keep their mouth shut. Oh Allah take care of these Pigs and Monkeys who kill your slaves and mock at your religion..‘O Allaah! You are Peace, and from You is Peace! Blessed are You, O possessor of Majesty and Honor!’ Laa Illaha Illa anta subhaanak inna kunna mina atthalimeen. Oh Allah unite the muslims and join our hearts on one belief. oh Allah send the khalifah to this ummah, which is in need of justice.(
Ameen. Summa Ameen.
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marwen
05-31-2010, 01:40 PM
All I say is : Congratulations to Israel you can do all you want, now as you're surrounded by a bunch of coward arabic an islamic governments who just keep their mouth shut.

! الموت لاسرائيل ! الموت لامريكا ! الموت للعملاء
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 01:58 PM
Families of those attacked on Turkish aid ship devastated

The families of those on the Gaza aid flotilla that was attacked by Israeli soldiers early Monday morning rush to the building of the Humanitarian Aid Foundation in hope of receiving good news about their loved ones. Some are relieved to see their relatives alive after the operation, although others are preparing for the worst


Aynur Akdeniz's husband, Mehmet Ali Akdeniz, was on a Gaza aid ship in the flotilla. DAILY NEWS photo, Emrah GÜREL

As Aynur Akdeniz saw the first videos showing the attacks of Israel on the Gaza aid flotilla, she said she immediately switched off the TV to prevent her two children from seeing it. Her husband Mehmet Ali Akdeniz, 34, was on the ship.

After watching the news of an early morning Israeli army operation that killed as many as 19 people on a flotilla bringing aid to the Gaza Strip, Akdeniz rushed to the Humanitarian Aid Foundation, or İHH’s, building in Istanbul’s Fatih district.

The İHH was the main organizer of the aid shipments and its crisis management center, located at the top floor of the building, was bustling all day. Families rushed to the İHH building in the early hours of the morning and the press conference room was filled with crying families who watched developments on a television in the room.

Akdeniz said she was planning to travel to Gaza together with her husband, but they decided not to because of the young age of their children.

“My son is 4 years old and my daughter is 6. They packed 300 lollipops for their father to take to Palestinian children in Gaza,” she said through tears.

Although her children have still not comprehended the unfolding events, they are also worried, Akdeniz said.

“They are asking about their father and they are worried even though I didn’t let them see the attack videos on TV,” she said.

Like the other families gathered at the İHH building trying to obtain news from their relatives on the ship, Akdeniz said she was shocked by the attacks and that she was worried and crying.

“I did not expect that much cruelty. My husband even did not have a pocket knife on him,” she said. “It was a strict rule for all of them not to have anything that might be used as a weapon. But Israel was afraid of a few civilian people.”

Akdeniz said she heard from friends that they saw a man who looked like her husband and that he was alive after the attacks.

Of the nearly 600 people on the Mavi Marmara ship, roughly 400 were Turkish citizens, according to İHH Vice Director Yavuz Dede, who said the passengers included men, women, and an 18-month-old baby.

Sümeyye Sena Tezcan, a 15-year-old high school student whose mother, Demet Tezcan, was on the ship, said she was relieved when she saw her mother in images on TV. “She was running during the attacks and was helping wounded people.”

Tezcan said her younger sister gave her baby doll to her mother and told her to give it to children in Gaza.

When her mother left home on May 24 for Antalya in preparation for boarding the ship at the Mediterranean port, Sümeyye Sena Tezcan said it was an ordinary day for the family. The mother was excited about the trip and was looking forward to seeing Gaza for the first time when the family last saw her at the İHH building, according to the daughter.

“She told us to take care of each other before leaving. We were afraid, we were worried, but never expected something horrible like this could happen,” she said.

Preparing for bad news

But while some families rejoiced at the apparent safety of their loved ones, many others were much worried about the fate of their loved ones.

Selma Erkal, whose brother Şahin İbrahim Güleryüz, 42, was on the ship, came immediately to the İHH building as soon as she saw the videos on TV.

She said she saw her brother in the videos on TV. “He had fainted, his head fallen on his chest, and there were people trying to help him,” said Erkal, who believed her brother had been wounded.

“We wanted to believe that he is only wounded, but he could also be dead. He has two sons and we did not tell his wife what we saw. We wouldn’t know what to say,” said Erkal, who was waiting at İHH in hope of good news.

Like others, Erkal said she was expecting a response from Israel, although not one so fatal. “I did not expect such a wild intervention. They were all unarmed people carrying humanitarian aid.”

Hatice Çorluk, whose son Fevzi Çorluk, 24, was on the ship, said she had expected the Israeli army’s response.

Struggling to speak due to her anguish, Çorluk said Turkey had abandoned those onboard.

Neslihan Üstündağ, Fevzi Çorluk’s sister, said those on the ship had called for help many times during the night before the attack occurred. “But Turkey did not do anything. It could have sent a ship to help them.”

The members of the Çorluk family said they had been crying all day and that they simply wanted to receive good news about their loved one’s condition.

Hayrünnisa Abdurrahman, a mother of four, said she was afraid her husband, Abdülahad Abdurrahman, 40, could be dead.

“He is a man who cannot stand injustice. I fear that he might have intervened during the attacks to save people from Israeli soldiers,” she said through tears. Abdurrahman has four children.

Before leaving home, Abdurrahman told his wife that the journey could be potentially fatal and asked for her blessing.

When he boarded the vessel, he had no possessions that could be construed as a weapon except a sewing needle with which to repair any tears to his pants, she said

Source: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.p...ted-2010-05-31
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Pygoscelis
05-31-2010, 02:12 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by nousername
and I noticed no Israel supporters have anything to say on this... of course
That people would call themselves Israel supporters or Palestinian supporters bothers me a little. Tribalism helps nobody.
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marwen
05-31-2010, 02:19 PM
Israel just doesn't care about arabs, muslims, media, human rights or some european countries that can disapprove his acts. But just to remind that, from human history all over the past centuries, power itself is not enough to keep a state alive if it doesn't repect its entourage.
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'Abd Al-Maajid
05-31-2010, 02:31 PM
Heart breaking news:cry::cry::cry:

What does Israel have to say about this?
Israeli Defense officials say soldiers were attacked with rocks and knives upon boarding ships; activists stole soldier’s weapon escalating violence.
Source: Jerusalem Post

IDF: Flotilla Passengers Were Violent and Stabbed Soldier
Source: Israel National News

Allah Knows Best.
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Woodrow
05-31-2010, 02:31 PM
:sl:

Jazakallahu Khayran for starting this thread. To keep the expected ration and desire to responses to this abominable act in one place I am making this thread a sticky. Let us all try to keep posts about this here on this thread. Please post sources for all quoted new sources.

Israeli prime minister cancels White House meeting
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JERUSALEM – Israel's prime minister has called off a planned visit to the White House to deal with a crisis over a botched naval raid that killed 10 pro-Palestinian activists.

Netanyahu, who is in Canada, was set to travel to Washington to meet with President Barack Obama on Tuesday. But his office says he decided to return home early after Monday's commando raid.

The commandos intercepted a flotilla of activists trying to deliver aid to the Gaza Strip. The deadly crackdown has drawn widespread international condemnations.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.
SOURCE
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 02:48 PM
I've added the source brother woodrow.
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marwen
05-31-2010, 02:48 PM
Turks rally against Israeli attack


Protesters denounced the raid on Gaza aid ships by Israel [Reuters]

Tens of thousands of people have taken to the streets in the Turkish city of Istanbul to denounce Israel over its attack on the convoy of Gaza-bound aid ships that left at least 19 people dead.

Around 10,000 people marched from the Israeli consulate in Istanbul towards the city's main square on Monday, shouting slogans and waving banners saying "Killer Israel".

Protests also took place in Ankara, the capital.

A Turkish charity has said most of those killed in the raid on six ships in international waters were Turkish nationals.

Earlier on Monday protesters attempted to storm the Israeli consulate, scaling over the compound's walls, but were blocked from going further by police.

Israel has advised its citizens to avoid travel to Turkey and instructed those already there to keep a low profile and avoid crowded downtown areas.

source : Aljazeera English..

Protest also took place in other muslim countries, but with less numbers.
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sister herb
05-31-2010, 02:51 PM
Today I am Palestinian.
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Woodrow
05-31-2010, 02:56 PM
another news report


At Least 10 Killed as Israel Storms Aid Flotilla

Israeli commandos on Monday stormed six ships carrying hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists on an aid mission to the blockaded Gaza Strip, killing at least 10 people and wounding dozens after encountering unexpected resistance as the forces boarded the vessels.

The operation in international waters off the Gaza coast was a nightmare scenario for Israel that looked certain to further damage its international standing, strain already-tense relations with Turkey, and draw unwanted attention to Gaza's plight.

Television reports in Israel and Turkey said as many as 19 people were killed in the clashes at sea, but the higher death toll could not be immediately confirmed.

The two sides offered conflicting accounts of what happened.

A reporter on one of the boats said the Israelis fired at the vessel before boarding it.
Israel claims its naval forces met violent resistance from the ship's passengers - knives and clubs, but also live fire - and so they fired back.
A Turkish TV journalist on board one ship reported that members of the flotilla raised a white flag to the Israeli military, after one person had been killed. But it was quickly clear, CBS News correspondent Richard Roth reports, that there had been several more dead and wounded among the 600 or so passengers.
SOURCE
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Masuma
05-31-2010, 02:59 PM
20 dead as Israeli forces storm Freedom Flotilla:

Source:

GAZA CITY : At least 20 passengers have been reported dead and over 60 wounded on Monday when Israeli forces stormed Freedom Flotilla (a boat carrying pro-Palestinian activists bound for Gaza), Aaj News reported. Executive Director Aaj News Talat Hussain along with his team members is onboard, whose where about could not be known.

AFP: Unconfirmed media reports from Hamas's Al Aqsa television said up to 20 passengers had been killed, of whom nine were Turkish nationals.

Media reports also said that senior Arab Israeli leader Raed Salah had been severely injured in the clashes, in which Gaza-based Hamas TV station said up to 20 people were killed.

According to Israel's private channel 10 television, Israeli marine commandos had opened fire after being attacked with axes and knives by a number of the passengers on board the aid ships, the television said, without giving the source of its information.

Israel's army radio said between 10 and 14 people had been killed in clashes which broke out after the passengers allegedly tried to grab weapons off the naval commandos who tried to storm one of the boats.

It was not clear whether the clashes took place on just one of the six boats making up the aid convoy.

Police said Israeli security forces were put on high alert to handle any "possible disturbances" among the country's Arab Israeli population in the wake of the deadly naval raid.

Turkey's foreign ministry warned that the raid on the Flotilla, which included Turkish vessels, may lead to "irreparable consequences" in bilateral ties.

"We strongly condemn these inhumane practices of Israel," a written statement said.

"This deplorable incident, which took place in open seas and constitutes a fragrant breach of international law, may lead to irreparable consequences in our bilateral relations," it said.

The Islamist Hamas movement which controls the Gaza Strip on Monday urged Arabs and Muslims to "rise up" in front of Israeli embassies across the globe in protest against Israel's deadly raid.

Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas slammed the killings as "a massacre", while Arab League chief Amr Mussa said the raid was a "crime" against a humanitarian mission.

The Israeli military censor ordered a block on all information regarding those injured or killed during the storming of the ship.

Gaza's Al-Aqsa television showed footage of black-clad Israeli commandos descending from helicopters and clashing with activists, as well as several wounded people lying on the deck of the ship.

The ships, carrying more than 700 passengers, were on the last leg of an aid mission to deliver some 10,000 tonnes of supplies to Gaza, which has been under a crippling Israeli blockade since 2007.

Hamas reacted angrily to the deadly raid.

"We call on all Arabs and Muslims to rise up in front of Zionist embassies across the whole world," said Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri, using the Arabic word 'intifada'.

Ismail Haniya, the Islamist movement's prime minister in Gaza, slammed the "ugly attack" in a statement in which he called for "the United Nations to protect the activists" on board the boats.

The boats had started heading towards Gaza from international waters of Cyprus at 3:00pm (1200 GMT) Sunday, with organisers saying they hoped to enter Gaza waters during the daylight hours.

About six hours after their departure, three Israeli missile boats left their naval base in the northern coastal city of Haifa on a mission to intercept the flotilla, reporters on board one of the vessels said before being told to turn off their phones.

Israel had at the weekend slammed as "illegal" the convoy's attempt to break the Gaza blockade and warned it would intercept the ships, tow them to the Ashdod port and detain the activists before seeking to deport them.

It labelled the convoy a media stunt, insisting the humanitarian situation is stable in Gaza despite reports to the contrary from aid agencies and offering to deliver the supplies through its own land crossings.

"This is a provocation intended to delegitimise Israel," Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon said on Saturday.



And here is a you tube video

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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 03:00 PM
I had to repost the first article because it had changed, is this normal?
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Masuma
05-31-2010, 03:01 PM
@ Brother Woodrow:

Pakistani news channel reports that 20 are killed while 60 are injured! :cry:

Innalillahi Wa Inna Aliye hi Rajion!


UN to hold emergency talks on aid Flotilla

UNITED NATIONS : The UN Security Council was to hold emergency talks Monday on the crisis triggered after Israeli navy commandos stormed a Gaza-bound aid flotilla, killing up to 19 people, a UN diplomat said.

The talks would take place at 1:00 pm (1700 GMT), the diplomat said. The UN Security Council is currently chaired by Lebanon until 0400 GMT Tuesday and earlier Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri had called for an emergency session in the wake of the deadly Israeli raid.

"Prime Minister Hariri has asked the Lebanese delegation at the UN to call for an emergency meeting over what happened today," a Lebanese official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said.

SOURCE


Turkey withdraws Embassador to Israel

ANKARA : Turkey's deputy prime minister says Turkey is withdrawing its ambassador to Israel, canceling three joint military exercises and calling on the U.N. Security Council to meet urgently over Israeli action against Gaza aid ships.

Bulent Arinc says Turkey is withdrawing its ambassador on Monday and also calling back a youth soccer team from Israel.

Arinc says Israel's actions are equal to “piracy.” He ruled out sending Turkish warships into the Mediterranean.

Around 10,000 Turks marched in protest from the Israeli consulate in Istanbul to a main square, chanting, “Murderous Israel you will drown in the blood you shed.

SOURCE
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Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн
05-31-2010, 03:02 PM
Is anyone watching the link? It was live when I posted. Probably still is.
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Masuma
05-31-2010, 03:04 PM
And the video has been taken from the same source AAj News.
It is a Pakistani news channel!
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Masuma
05-31-2010, 03:08 PM
Do you know, the brave brother we see in the video is actually a Pakistani reporter and one of my favourite who was present on that ship and has been taken into custody by Israeli blood thirsty hyenas! We don't even know whether he is alive or dead! :cry: Oh Allah!!!
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piXie
05-31-2010, 03:08 PM
Another very foolish and inhumane terrorist attack made by Israel. I feel totally disgusted.

Please, everyone write to your MP's about Israel's murder of these peace activists, and urge your MP's to condemn Israel's actions.
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shev
05-31-2010, 03:12 PM
Aid volunteers, international law massacred off Gaza

The ship, Mavi Marmara, was attacked by Israeli forces early on Monday morning, with marines storming aboard from dinghies and rappelling down from helicopters. Information so far has been sketchy because Israel imposed a media blackout. Israeli government sources said "more than 10" activists died. Israeli media has spoken of up to 19 dead and dozens of injuries. Unconfirmed news reports said nine Turks have been killed.

Israel sparked an outcry across the world when its naval commandos attacked a defenseless Gaza-bound international aid convoy in international waters, killing at least 10 aboard a Turkish ship.

Following the raid on the aid convoy, Israel confiscated the cargo as well as the vessels and docked them in the Israeli port of Ashdod. Dozens of passengers were arrested, news reports said. Further information regarding the fate of the wounded and the remaining passengers could not be obtained because of Israel's media blackout. Turkey demanded an immediate and detailed account from Israel on the state of the Turkish citizens in Israeli custody and told Israel to send home the injured Turks.

Israel had warned that it would intercept the convoy, which was carrying some 10,000 tons of humanitarian aid. There were hundreds of international activists aboard the ships, including a Nobel peace laureate and a Holocaust survivor. But despite the Israeli warnings, the violence of the response shocked the world, sparking outrage in the Middle East, within the United Nations and in Europe. The United States, Israel's key ally, however, was exceptionally cautious, saying only that it regretted the loss of life and that it was looking into the “tragedy.”

In addition irreversibly damaging Israel's ties with Turkey, the bloody interception dealt a fatal blow to efforts to advance tentative peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians and is likely to increase international pressure on Israel to end its three-year-long blockade of Gaza.

"This attack is another sign of the reckless levels that the Israeli government's violent policies have reached," Deputy Prime Minister Bülent Arınç, who presided over an emergency meeting of the government and senior military commanders earlier in the day, said in a televised speech. The government, which had disassociated itself from the aid convoy, saying it was a nongovernmental initiative, received criticism over the way it handled the entire incident, with opposition politicians and media commentators laying the blame on decision-makers for not offering any protection to the aid ships, knowing that they would be intercepted by Israeli forces.

“I was expecting an intervention,” said Murat Mercan, the chairman of Parliament's Foreign Affairs Commission. “But, I was not expecting bloodshed, the use of arms and bullets. Israel is engaged in activity that will severely hurt its image,” he added.

Turkish-Israeli relations have long been tense, mostly as a result of the Israeli blockade of Gaza, but a violent attack on Turkish civilians in international waters is worse than any worst case scenario that was ever imagined. Angry Turks attempted to storm Israeli Consulate in İstanbul and then marched to Taksim Square in an angry protest, prompting ruling Justice and Development Party (AK Party) Deputy Chairman Hüseyin Çelik to warn against “being carried away by emotion” and calling for prudence.

The international community earlier warned Israel not to engage in an offensive against civilian vessels carrying peaceful activists whose aim was to break the three-year-long economic blockade on Gaza which has severely plagued Gazans. The United Nations, the European Parliament, the International Committee of the Red Cross and Amnesty International have all drawn attention to the people's long plight in Gaza, where Gazans, including children and the sick, are deprived even of their basic needs.

Although Israel says it warned the ships to turn around and that its soldiers were attacked by passengers on board, it is unlikely to receive international sympathy. European leaders expressed “profound shock” over the bloody interception and the UN put the blame on Israel.

United Nations Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process Robert Serry and the head of the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, Filippo Grandi, expressed shock at the killings aboard boats carrying humanitarian supplies in international waters. "Such tragedies are entirely avoidable if Israel heeds the repeated calls of the international community to end its counterproductive and unacceptable blockade of Gaza," they said in a joint statement.

“It's disgusting that they have come on board and attacked civilians. We are civilians,” said Greta Berlin, a spokeswoman for the Free Gaza movement, which organized the flotilla.

“We were not expecting such an operation in international waters,” Ömer Faruk Korkmaz, an official of the Humanitarian Aid Association (İHH), which led the aid shipment in Turkey, said. “Israel has been caught red-handed and the international community will not forgive it.” Korkmaz said the ship was being escorted to Haifa.

Israel, who declared that five of its soldiers were wounded during the operation, was defiant after the incident, with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announcing that the attack had his full support. “We made repeated offers that they should bring the boats to the port of Ashdod and from there we guaranteed that all humanitarian cargo would be transferred to the people of Gaza,” Mark Regev, a spokesman for Netanyahu said.

Mideast peace a distant dream
Israeli officials said Prime Minister Netanyahu was considering whether to cancel a White House meeting on Tuesday with US President Barack Obama and fly home early. Those talks had been expected to focus on US efforts to advance tentative negotiations with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. But peace talks, mediated by Obama's envoy, seem unlikely to continue for the time being.

For Israel, storming the ships after they ignored warnings to turn back was part of a strategy of isolating the Islamist Hamas in Gaza in the hope of tilting Palestinian sympathies toward US-backed Abbas. But Abbas's credibility has been undermined by Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank, another territory where Palestinians want statehood, and he can ill-afford to stand by as outsiders bleed on behalf of Gaza's 1.5 million Palestinians.

The Palestinian president described the Israel's pre-dawn interception as a “massacre” and declared three days of mourning in the Palestinian territories.

Hamas, which has largely fallen from world headlines since its war with Israel some 18 months ago, on the other hand, welcomed what it described as a win-win situation from the standoff at sea. Hamas government head Ismail Haniyeh said of the activists: "You were heroes, whether you reached [Gaza] or not."

Israeli forces were on high alert on the Gazan, Syrian and Lebanese borders as well as around Jerusalem, the occupied West Bank and areas of northern Israel, where much of the country's Arab population lives. Israeli officials denied reports that a leading Arab Israeli Islamist had been killed on the convoy.

Across the Middle East, anger against Israel was mounting. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the action was “inhumane.” Syria, which hosts the exiled leadership of Hamas, called for an emergency meeting of the Arab League.

"Israel's kidnapping of civilian hostages from international waters and their arrest constitutes a barbaric aggression and Israel bears complete responsibility if anything happens to them," Hezbollah lawmaker Hassan Fadlallah told Reuters.



"It's going to be a big scandal, no doubt about it," Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, the Israeli trade minister, who is known to be a moderate in Netanyahu's cabinet, told Reuters Insider in an interview in Doha, where he was on a visit to Qatar, one of the few Arab states where Israeli officials can travel. Ben-Eliezer said the whole thing was a “provocation from its beginning” and added: "We tried our best to block the way. Everyone can judge us. When there is blood, you cannot explain anything."



http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/ne...-off-gaza.html
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Woodrow
05-31-2010, 03:12 PM
While most people will stand by any nations right to check and search any incoming ship for contraband. I believe most will also agree that to do so by a commando raid is excessive force.


May Allaah(swt) make this tragedy become a victory for Palestine as the world sees first hand international reports of what Israel really is.
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shev
05-31-2010, 03:13 PM
PRESS RELEASE FROM TURKISH FOREIGN MINISTRY

We protest in the strongest terms the use of force by the Israeli Defense Forces against the civilians from many countries who want to transport humanitarian assistance to the people in Gaza, and among whom there are women and children, which, according to the initial information available, resulted in the death of 2 persons and injury of more than 30 people.

Israel has once again clearly demonstrated that it does not value human lives and peaceful initiatives through targeting innocent civilians. We strongly condemn these inhuman acts of Israel. This grave incident which took place in high seas in gross violation of international law might cause irreversible consequences in our relations.

Besides the initiatives being conducted by our Embassy in Tel Aviv, this unacceptable incident is being strongly protested and explanation is demanded from Israil’s Ambassador in Ankara, who has been invited to our Ministry.

Whatsoever the motives might be, such actions against civilians who are involved only in peaceful activities cannot be accepted. Israel will have to bear the consequences of these actions which constitute a violation of international law.

May God bestow His mercy upon those who lost their lives. We wish to express our condolences to the bereaved families of the deceased, and swift recovery to the wounded.



http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/ne...ts-israel.html
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piXie
05-31-2010, 03:15 PM
What You Can Do About The Flotilla Attack


PLEASE TAKE ACTION BROTHERS AND SISTERS


Just 50 complaints can stop the BBC's biased reporting on the Israeli Army's attacks on the unarmed civilians in the Freedom Flotilla.

Throughout this entire week when the Flotilla has been getting closer to Gaza, despite the numerous threats by the Israelis, the mainstream media (except the Guardian) in this country have given it barely any air time at all.

Just three simple actions by you can ensure that the crimes being committed by Israel are reported accurately:

1. Call the BBC on 0370-010-0222 (then choose 'Option 1' and then 'Option 3') to ask why they are being biased in their report when it is clear that the Freedom Flotilla has unarmed civilians and that the Israeli Army is the aggressor. Please include the following in your complaint:

- Why do they not provide balanced coverage by giving peace activists equal air time to the Israeli spokesmen?

- Why do they fail to question Israeli claims when Israel has previously been proven to have lied about attacks on peace activists such as Tom Hurndall?

2. Write to your MP via www.writetothem.com demanding your MP condemn Israel for it's actions and call for sanctions against Israel.
3. Tell all your family and friends to do the same

There are also 2 demonstrations taking place in England today:

London - 2pm outside 10 Downing Street (nearest station is Westminster)

Manchester - 5pm outside BBC's office: New Broadcasting House, PO Box 27, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ

Some media outlets are trying to keep the story quiet - which just means we all have to work harder to let everyone know what is really happening.

Read more: http://www.mpacuk.org/story/310510/a...#ixzz0pWJmvOdS

http://www.mpacuk.org/story/310510/a...activists.html
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ardianto
05-31-2010, 03:18 PM
Longer and more complete video.

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جوري
05-31-2010, 03:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.A.S.H.
It did have sovereignty then. Arabs were the first to break a UN decision (the partition plan). And arabs didn't want an independent Palestine anway, they were defending their own claims to the land.
1- They have no sovereignty, they never did and never will!
2- There is nothing to break as far as Arabs are concerned, you are so incredibly ignorant.. have a crash course in the real facts before you open your yap ey?

A Crash Course in the Real Facts
Israel's supporters in this country have been flooding the Internet with what they call A Crash Course in the Real Facts. It consists of 20 points, all misleading in the way they are written. A point by point rebuttal follows...
NATIONHOOD AND JERUSALEM
1. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
The use of the word “nation” is ambiguous unless it is defined. It is confusing and misleading to use a modern notion and apply it to what happened in 1312 BC. This is how Black’s Law Dictionary defines the word "nation":
“a people, or aggregation of men, existing in the form of an organized jural society, usually inhabiting a distinct portion of the earth, speaking the same language, using the same customs, possessing historic continuity, and distinguished from other like groups by their racial origin and characteristics, and generally, but not necessarily, living under the same government and sovereignty.”
According to this definition Israel became a nation once it became an independent kingdom in 1011 BC (King David 1011-971 BC; and King Solomon 971-931 BC). In 931 BC, the kingdom was divided in two: Israel in the north, (capital Samaria) from 931 to 722 BC; and Judah in the south (capital Jerusalem) from 931 to 587 BC.
Samaria fell to Assyria in 722 BC and a large portion of the population was deported. This kingdom lasted for 209 years.
Jerusalem fell to the Babylonians in 587 BC and the cream of the population was deported. This kingdom lasted for 344 year.
The total number of years during which Israel was a "nation", even if we take into consideration the small Kingdom of Judah is 424 years. Outside this period Israel was more of a religion than a nation.
The Pittsburgh Platform of 1885 was issued by a group of reform rabbis. It stated: “we consider ourselves no longer a nation but a religious community" (see full text of Pittsburg Platform ).
Furthermore, a letter dated April 20, 1964, from Assistant Secretary of State Phillips Talbot to Rabbi Elmer Berger stated: the State Department "does not recognize a legal-political relationship based upon religious identification of American citizens ... it should be clear that the Department of State does not regard the Jewish people concept as a concept of international law" (see full text of the letter ).
Israel ceased to be a nation in 587 BC. It became a nation again in AD 1948. According to the definition given in Black’s Law Dictionary Jews who are not Israelis do not belong to the Israeli nation, they belong the Jewish faith like their coreligionists in Israel. 2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the Modern State of Israel.
First, there are no Arab refugees in Israel, unless the writer has already annexed the Occupied Territories, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon to Israel.
The problem of the Palestinian refugees, that the writer calls “Arab” refugees to confuse the reader and avoid using the word Palestinian, started from the moment Israel was established in 1948, since some 700,000 Palestinians were expelled from their homes and their homeland and were not allowed to return. There is even a UN resolution that deal with the Palestinian refugees. It is General Assembly resolution 194 of 11 December 1948. The resolution deals explicitly, among other things, with the return of the Palestinian refugees to their homes.
Whether the "Arab" refugees began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967 or not is irrelevant. The fact is that there is today a universal aknowledgment that there is a Palestinian people, even Israel acknowledges this fact. To deny it won't solve the problem of Israel.

3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
What is said in No. 1 above is relevant here. I detect a contradiction between what is said in 1 above and what is being said here. How can Israel be considered a nation in 1312 BC (see No. 1 above) when the "Jewish conquest" of the land of Canaan occurred later in 1272 BC?
There can be no nation without “inhabiting a distinct portion of the earth,” according to the definition. The continuous presence in the land, if we accept it for the sake of argument, was a presence of the Jews as individuals not as a nation. Following the first revolt, the Romans destroyed the Temple in AD 70. After the second revolt (AD 132-135), the Jews were either killed or sold into slavery and dispersed in the Roman Empire. Emperor Hadrian built a temple in honor of Jupiter on the site of the Jewish temple and issued a decree that prohibited under penalty of death the presence of the Jews in Jerusalem. The prohibition was lifted after the Muslim Arab conquest.
4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.
In 638, not 635, Jerusalem and Palestine, were conquered by the Muslim Arabs. The Muslim rule lasted from 638 to 1099, from 1187 to 1229 and from 1239 to 1917 which is the year Jerusalem fell to General Allenby. In the interim periods, that is from 1099 to 1187 and from 1229 to 1239 the Crusaders established the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem. The total number of years Muslims ruled Jerusalem and Palestine is 1,181 years not 22. The writer was off the mark by just 1,159 years. It should be mentioned that before the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after World War One, there was only one dominion, Muslim dominion. Speaking of Arab dominion is misleading.
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
Jerusalem was a Jewish capital for no more than 424 years (see No. 1 above). In fact, Jerusalem was a meaningful capital only when the kingdom established by David was unified, that is from 1011 BC to 931 BC, or 80 years. The fact that Jerusalem was never a capital of any Arab or Muslim entity doesn't make it less of an Arab city. San Antonio has never been the capital of the United States. Does this mean that it is a Mexican city?
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.
What does this suppose to mean? What is the conclusion that must be drawn from this statement? How about counting the number of times Jerusalem was mentioned in the New Testament?
7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.
The answer given in 6 above is relevant here. Again, what about Jesus? In their profession of faith, Christians say at every mass: “for our sake he (Jesus Christ) was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered, died and was buried. On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures." These events didn't happen in Paris or New York but in Jerusalem.
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.
Another incongruous statement. What are we supposed to make of it? The issue is not a religious one, as the author is trying to establish from points 5 to 8 . It is an issue of self-determination of a disenfranchised indigenous people. Also, the writer is presenting the issue as if it is an issue between the Jews and the Muslims ignoring the fact that the Arab Christians in the Middle East outnumber the Jews of Israel and the billion Christians in the world outnumber the 14 million Jews. The fact also is that Christianity has more holy sites in Jerusalem than Judaism and Islam combined. The Church of the Holy Sepulcher, the holiest place in Christianity, is in Jerusalem. If the issue is a religious one, then the Christians' claim is stronger than that of the Jews or the Muslims.

ARAB AND JEWISH REFUGEES
9. In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.
Simha Flapan in his book, The Birth of Israel: Myths and Realities, refers to the terrorists methods used by the Haganah, Irgun and LEHI to force the Palestinians out of their homeland. Flapan estimated that “84 percent (of the Palestinians) left in direct response to Israeli actions.” The Irish journalist, Erskine Childers, examined the American and the British radio-monitoring records for all 1948. In his article "The Other Exodus" that appeared in the (London) Spectator of May 12, 1961, he wrote the following: "There was not a single order, or appeal, or suggestion about evacuation from Palestine from any Arab radio station, inside or outside Palestine, in 1948. There is repeated monitored record of Arab appeals, even flat orders, to the civilians of Palestine to stay put." (see the full text ).
10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.
The Jews were forced to flee the Arab countries not because of Arab brutality but because of Jewish brutality. Akiva Orr in his book Israel: Politics, Myths and Identity Crises wrote the following: “in 1948 Jews were not expelled from countries like Iraq, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya, but induced to leave by Zionist emissaries from Israel who often used dirty tricks like throwing bombs into synagogues to create the impression of anti-Jewish persecution to stampede the Jews to Israel.” Once in Israel, some of the Iraqi Jews have even sued the Israeli government for damages. Also, Wilbur Crane Evenlan, a former senior officer in the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) wrote in his 1980 book Ropes of Sand: America's Failure in the Middle East:
"In attempts to portray the Iraqis as ani-American and to terrorize the Jews, the Zionists planted bombs in the U.S. Information Service library and in synagogues. Soon leaflets began to appear urging Jews to flee to Israel. ... Although the Iraqi police later provided our embassy with evidence to show that the synagogue and library bombings as well as the anti-Jewish and anti-American leaflet campaings had been the work of an underground Zionist organization, most of the world believed reports that Arab terrorism had motivated the flight of the Iraqi Jews whom the Zionists had "rescued" really just in order to increase Israel's Jewish population." (pp. 48-49)
For a first-hand account by an eyewitness, read Naeim Giladi's testimony in The Link of April-May 1998,published by the Americans for Middle East Understanding, Inc.Read The Jews of Iraq . 11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.
Again the Palestinian refugees, (not Arab refugees) who left Israel in 1948 did not leave Palestine voluntarily but were driven out by the Jewish terrorist organizations (see 9 above). On the other hand, the Jewish “refugees” left voluntarily or induced to leave from their Arab homelands (see No. 10 above).
12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.
Should we show our appreciation to the writer for his concern about the Palestinian refugees who were “INTENTIONALY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands?” The writer is lamenting the fact that the Palestinians are “the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples’ lands.” Well, their land is Palestine. I am all for their return to their land. The writer wants the Palestinian refugees to be absorbed in the Arab lands. This is exactly how criminals think. They want to remove any trace of the crime they have committed; then they can delude themselves that they have a clear conscience.

THE ARAB-ISRAELI CONFLICT
13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.
If the writer knew how to count he would have found out that there are 20 Arab states not 8. Whether there are 20 or 70 Arab states, Palestinians are entitled to live in their homeland. As far as the "five wars" intitiated by the Arabs: The first war was the 1948 war and was triggered by the establishment of Israel. The 1956 war was started by Israel with the help of France and Great Britain. The 1967 war was started by Israel. The 1973 war was launched by Egypt and Syria to liberate their occupied territories, not more. The 1982 war against Lebanon was started by Israel.
14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with weapons.
The PLO Charter has been amended and all clauses calling for Israel’s destruction were cancelled. On April 24, 1996, the Palestine National Council voted 504 to 54 to cancel those clauses. Contrary to what is stated, Israel has NOT given the Palestinians most of the West Bank. The West Bank was divided into three zones: Area A fully controlled by the Palestinian Authority consists of 12%; Area B jointly controlled by Israel (security control) and the Palestinian Authority (civilian control) consists of 26.8%; and Area C totally controlled by Israel consists of 61.2%. Who then controls most of the West Bank? (see map )
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.
Under Jordanian rule Israel, the Jewish state, was officially at war with Jordan. Under the Israeli rule, Muslim and Christian Palestinians from the occupied territories are today denied access to places of worship. Those Muslims and Christians who have access to places of worship are Israeli citizens. Desecration of holy sites is done by fanatics. There is no shortage of them among Muslims, Christians and Jews.

THE U.N. RECORD ON ISRAEL AND THE ARABS
16. Of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.
That is because Israel was at fault 97 times.
17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.
That is because Israel was at fault 429 times.
18. The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.
Why is it that Israel did not complain to the U.N.?
19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.
The U.N. is not a super government. Member states must take the initiative to complain or ask for a Security Council meeting to take up their complaints.
20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.
See answer given in No. 19.


These are incredible times. We have to ask what our role should be. What will we tell our grandchildren we did when there was a turning point in Jewish destiny, an opportunity to make a difference?
These are indeed incredible times. We should tell our grandchildren the truth.
For those of you who were kind and interested enough to read, the preceding, let me add two more items:
a) Israel is the ONLY MEMBER OF THE UN THAT IS NOT PERMITTED MEMBERSHIP ON THE SECURITY COUNCIL
For Israel to be a member of the Security Council it has to belong to one of the five following groups: Asian states, African states, Latin American and the Caribbean states, Eastern European states, and Western Europe and other states. If no one group wants to accept Israel as a member then there must be something wrong with Israel.
b) Israel has NEVER BEEN PERMITTED MEMBERSHIP IN THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS
As far as I know, it is because Israel insists on using the Star of David as en emblem. The Red Cross accepted the Crescent next to the Cross because there are many Muslim states in the world. How many Jewish states are there in the world?
START NOW!!
Send this to 20 other people you know and ask them to send it to twenty others, Jews and non-Jews, it doesn't really matter. The truth and the cause of peace are universal values we all share, and everyone must know.
By all means. Don't just send this to 20 other people but to the whole world, so that the whole world will learn the truth and the whole world will also learn how the truth is being distorted and the facts are being manipulated by the author of this Crash Course in the Real Facts.

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they should confiscate the keyboards of under-educated morons!
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جوري
05-31-2010, 03:20 PM

Myths and Realities about Israel



Myth No. 1: About UN Partition Resolution

The UN voted in 1947 to create the State of Israel in the land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean. Israel accepted the compromise while the Arabs rejected it.

REALITY:
The 1947 UN resolution is a General Assembly resolution, not a Security Council resolution. The UN General Assembly can only make recommendations. Recommendations have no obligatory character. Member states are free to accept or reject them.
Israel’s apologists are quick to say that Israel accepted this compromise. The Partition Plan granted 52% of Palestine to the Jews who were 30% of the population and owned no more than 6% of the land. This is a net gain on the part of Israel, not a compromise.
Israel’s apologists are quick to claim that the Arabs started the 1948 war. Ben-Gurion himself in Rebirth and Destiny of Israel wrote: “Until the British left, no Jewish settlement, however remote, was entered or seized by the Arabs, while the Haganah, under severe and frequent attack, captured many Arab positions and liberated Tiberias and Haifa, Jaffa and Safad” (p. 530). Israel’s military activity started well before any attack by the Arab armies.
Israel’s apologists are quick to accuse Jordan of occupying and annexing what is now called the West Bank. While not a single Arab soldier entered the area allotted to Israel in the UN resolution, Israel occupied and annexed areas in excess of what was allotted to it in the UN Partition Plan. These areas include, among other areas, the Arab cities of Nazareth, Jaffa, Acre, Lydda and Ramleh. Thus Israel expanded from 52% to 78%.
Moreover, according to the UN Partition Plan, 49% of the population of the Jewish state was supposed to be Arabs. Through a war of ethnic cleansing this percentage was reduced to 12%. The ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians was the result of a deliberate master plan, code named Plan Dalet.
In light of all the above, it is ludicrous to pretend that Israel accepted UN General Assembly Resolution 181 of 29 November 1947.



Myth No. 2: About Annexation

The military occupation of Palestinian territories has never been converted by Israel into an annexation.

REALITY:
Immediately after the 1967 war, the Israeli government issued an order declaring that an area comprising the Old City of Jerusalem and some adjacent territory should be subject to the law, jurisdiction and administration of Israel. Thus Israel expanded municipal East Jerusalem from 6 km2 to 73 km2 of the West Bank. Furthermore, Jewish colonization of East Jerusalem went beyond the extended municipal boundaries to include what Israel calls Greater and Metropolitan Jerusalem comprising 330 km2 and 665 km2, respectively.
The Annexation of the Old City of Jerusalem was carried out under the Law and Administration Ordinance (Amendment No. 11 of June 27, 1967). Not only did Israel annex East Jerusalem but it also feverishly worked toward the judaization of its population by expropriating Arab land to build Jewish settlements.
As for the rest of the occupied territories, the real reason for not annexing them is the racist nature of the Zionist state. The only way for Israel to annex the occupied territories is by cleansing them of their indigenous inhabitants, following the pattern of 1948 (see Myth No. 1 above).
Furthermore, on December 14, 1981, Israel officialy annexed the Golan Heights. The legislation, extending Israeli law to the area of the Golan Heights was adopted by the Knesset by a majority of 63 against 21.



Myth No. 3: Jordan attacked first
Israel in 1967 notified Jordan that it wished to maintain non-belligerent policy between the two states and that Jordan nevertheless attacked Israel.


REALITY: “The pretence that Israel would not attack Jordan is belied by the secret decision adopted by the Israeli cabinet on June 4, 1967 (which was made public on June 4, 1972) to attack Egypt, Syria and Jordan on the following day” (Henry Cattan, Jerusalem, p.69).
Also, Israel was well aware that Jordan signed on May 30, 1967 a defense pact with Egypt, allowing Egyptians to take command of the Jordanian army.



Myth No. 4: Recognizing and making peace with Israel
When Egypt recognized and made peace with Israel in 1979 the entire Sinai was returned to Egypt.

REALITY: The purpose of such a statement is to give the impression that Israel is willing to withdraw from the land it occupied in exchange for peace. The return of the entire Sinai would be a proof of that. In this context, the name of Anwar Sadat is mentioned.
Jimmy Carter’s memoirs: Keeping the Faith: Memoirs of a President shatters this impression. Menachem Begin did not want to withdraw from the entire Sinai. For Israel to come to it senses, it necessitated the pressures that only an American President could have applied.
For Israel’s apologists to say that when the Palestinian Authority agreed to recognize and negotiate with Israel, Israel began to “transfer control of West Bank lands” is further evidence that Israel’s goal is not to achieve with the Palestinians a peace resembling the peace with Egypt, (the withdrawal from the entire occupied territories, similar to its withdrawal from the entire Sinai), but to establish another form of occupation.
Israel's defenders claim that by mid-2000 more than 90% of the Arab population of the West Bank and more than 25% of its land were under complete Palestinian control. This only demonstrates what Israel is really after: an indigenous authority controlling its indigenous population, while Israel continues to build Jewish settlements in the remaining 75% of Palestinian land. The result of such policy is the establishment of numerous disconnected Palestinian enclaves (bantustans) in a sea of settlements rendering the free movement of the Palestinians difficult, if not impossible.



Myth No. 5: Barak’s “unprecedented offer”
Israel made an “unprecedented offer” consisting of giving back 95% of the West Bank and all of Gaza. Jerusalem itself would be partitioned into Israeli and Palestinians sectors.

REALITY: The Jerusalem that is being referred to here is just the Old City of Jerusalem, not the entire East and West Jerusalems. Not only will Israel keep West Jerusalem but it also wants to partition East Jerusalem. The Palestinians, by the way, accepted to give Israel sovereignty over the Jewish holy places, something that the Israelis refused to give to the Palestinians. They rather talked about “religious sovereignty” over Haram al-Sahrif, and “autonomy” over the Christians and Muslims quarters.
The 95% of the West Bank referred to is in fact 95% minus the expanded municipal boundaries of Jerusalem, that Israel has already annexed (see Myth No. 2 above), which makes Barak’s offer more like 85% of all the West Bank.
Furthermore, the so-called Palestinian state that would have been created according to the “unprecedented offer” would have control neither over its natural resources nor over it air space (For more details see: Camp David mythology)



Myth No. 6: Israel never target civilians
Israel does not deliberately target civilians.

REALITY:
How else can we qualify dropping a 2,000 pound bomb on an apartment building in a civilian neighborhood supposedly to kill one “terrorist leader”?
Also, a Jan. 3, 2003 editorial in The Washington Post had this to say: “Israeli paramilitary forces have reportedly been operating something they call ‘the lottery,’ in which they detain Palestinians and order them to choose from pieces of paper labeled with punishments such as ‘broken leg’ and ‘smashed head.’ The practice was reported by an Israeli newspaper on Dec. 22, more than a week before Amran Abu Hamediye was beaten to death.” This is what a self-censorship press revealed. What is not being reported must be even worse.



Myth No. 7: The “only democracy”
Israel is the “only democracy” in the Middle East.

REALITY: How many times have Israel’s apologists repeated this slogan? In fact, Israel is not a democracy by Western standards. Not a single Western democracy occupies another people’s land, rules another people and subjects them to all kinds of humiliations, torture and mistreatment. Israel indeed is a democracy, but a democracy by Zionist standards, just as South Africa, under the White minority rule, was a democracy by apartheid standards. It is true that Palestinians with Israeli citizenship have the right to vote in Israel. So are all the citizens of the Arab countries. This however doesn’t make them democracies. In Israel, there is no equality between Jews and non-Jews. In a Jewish state, Jews are more equal than non-Jews. It has always been that way and unless Israel becomes the country of all its citizens, it will lack the characteristics of a Western democracy.
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Woodrow
05-31-2010, 03:21 PM
To keep things easy to find please post any replies about the attack on the aid ship on this thread:

http://www.islamicboard.com/world-af...activists.html

Also if you post a news story about be be certain to give the source.
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 03:22 PM
Anger in Turkey on Popular, Political Levels Over Israeli Masscre

Turkey will call an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council over Israel's deadly raid on aid ships bound for the Gaza Strip, a Turkish diplomat told AFP Monday as above tens of thousands of people went out to Turkish streets condemning the Israeli inhumane act.

Turkey also recalled its ambassador from Tel Aviv Monday, Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc said. "Our ambassador to Israel has been recalled to Ankara," Arinc told a press conference. He said plans for three joint military exercises with Israel had been scrapped.

Turkey's foreign ministry condemned the Israeli operation following the Israeli attack Gaza-bound aid ships in international waters saying it may lead to "irreparable consequences" in bilateral ties.

"By targeting civilians, Israel has once again shown its disregard for human life and peaceful initiatives. We strongly condemn these inhumane practices of Israel," the Turkish foreign ministry said in a statement. "This deplorable incident, which took place in open seas and constitutes a fragrant breach of international law, may lead to irreparable consequences in our bilateral relations," it said. "Israel will have to bear the consequences of this behavior, which constitutes a violation of international law," it said.

The Israeli envoy was summoned to the foreign ministry. Israeli ambassador Gabby Levy held a 20-minute meeting with a senior foreign ministry official and left the ministry without making a statement. He was told that "Turkey retains all its rights under international law concerning this assault," a Turkish diplomat, who asked not to be named, told AFP. "We are considering the actions that we may take under international law," he said. High-ranking Turkish source said that there's a possibility that the Israeli ambassador would be expelled.

Turkey also asked for a detailed report on the fate of all people who were aboard the vessels, he said, adding that they included nationals from a total of 33 countries. Levy was also told that the Turkish passengers and the wounded should be repatriated to Turkey in the shortest possible time and the vessels released, he said.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyeb Erdogan cancelled his trip to Chile over the Israeli crime and headed to Ankara to follow up the crisis. Also, Turkey's army chief cut short a visit to Egypt Monday after the deadly Israeli operation and a rocket attack on a navy base in southern Turkey, Anatolia news agency reported. General Ilker Basbug was expected to arrive in Ankara later in the day, the report said.

Turkish vessels were part of an international flotilla carrying aid to the Gaza Strip, which Israeli forces stormed early Monday.

"TANKS AND STONES WILL BE YOUR DEFEAT!"

Meanwhile, Tens of thousands gathered to protest in Turkey's biggest city Istanbul Monday following the deadly Israeli raid. Under the watch of police, at least 10,000 marched on the city's central Taksim square from the Israeli consulate.

"**** Israel!", "A tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye, revenge, revenge!" the protesters chanted, carrying Turkish and Palestinian flags, as they marched towards the square, an AFP photographer said. "Close down the Zionist embassy," read a banner carried by the crowd. Police closed all roads along the protesters' route to traffic as their numbers swelled.

Passers-by expressed their support by applauding the protesters on their march, television reports said. The group had earlier protested outside the Israeli consulate, chanting anti-Israeli slogans, as police kept them from approaching the building.

In a second demonstration, a crowd of about 500 people gathered outside the residence of Israeli ambassador Gabby Levy in Ankara, calling Israel a murderer and reciting prayers. "**** the Zionist murderers!", "Israel will drown in the blood of the martyrs!" chanted the protesters. Several demonstrators threw eggs and plastic bottles into the garden of the residency which is surrounded by a high wall before they were warned by police to cease their actions. A large banner reading "Tanks and stones will be your defeat" was hung at the entrance of the street facing the residency.

Two TV networks reported earlier that Israeli warships attacked the six ships carrying pro-Palestinian activists and aid for blockaded Gaza, killing 19 and wounding dozens of people on board.

A Turkish charity involved with the flotilla told AFP in Gaza that at least 15 people were killed in the Israeli navy raid, most of them Turkish nationals. "Fifteen people were killed in the raid, most of them Turkish nationals," said Mohammed Kaya, who heads the Gaza branch of the IHH, a Turkish charity involved with organizing the fleet of aid ships. "We were not expecting such an operation in international waters," Omer Faruk Korkmaz, an official of the IHH, said. "Israel has been caught red-handed and the international community will not forgive it." Korkmaz said the ship was being escorted to Haifa.

Murat Mercan, a lawmaker from Erdogan's ruling party, said: "I was expecting an intervention. I was not expecting bloodshed, the use of arms and bullets." "Israel is engaged in activity that will extremely hurt its image," he said.

SOURCE: http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/N...84&language=en
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جوري
05-31-2010, 03:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by M.A.S.H.
Largely too blame for the situation is the current Palestinian government and the president Mahmoud Abbas who put all the emphasis on eastern Jerusalem construction and have called it the only obstacle to peace talks, disregarding the wellbeing of the brothers in Gaza. Palestinians are so internally divided to the Fattah Hamas conflict, they are causing more harm to eachother than Israel is to any of them.
Israel has positively no interest in 'peace talks' as I stated before, if you have no understanding of the geo-political or socio-economic conditions of the area then you should shut your yap.
You can go tinkle your pearls with like-minded oafs!
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marwen
05-31-2010, 03:22 PM
what else can we expect from these corrupted jews. They killed all their prophets in the past, and they're ready to kill every one who just want to show the truth and offer mercy to poor people. They will always behave this way until their illegal state is destroyed.
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Masuma
05-31-2010, 03:27 PM
Death to Israel!!! ALLAHU AKBAR!!!

Israel has shown its true face! How can it and all the supporters of Israel out there still deny that they are the terrorists?! Onslaught of an aid ship! No more inhumane example has the world seen before this!

I'll ask for death for all those who kill innocent beings of Allah whether it be Israel or even a Muslim country! Israel has crossed all limits!

And those supporters of Israel out there, see it now with your own eyes what you've been supporting so far!

Not only the Muslims but

UN chief also is "SHOCKED" over Israeli raid on aid flotilla!

UNITED NATIONS : The UN Security Council was to hold emergency talks Monday on the crisis triggered after Israeli navy commandos stormed a Gaza-bound aid flotilla, killing up to 19 people, a UN diplomat said.

The talks would take place at 1:00 pm (1700 GMT), the diplomat said. The UN Security Council is currently chaired by Lebanon until 0400 GMT Tuesday and earlier Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri had called for an emergency session in the wake of the deadly Israeli raid.

"Prime Minister Hariri has asked the Lebanese delegation at the UN to call for an emergency meeting over what happened today," a Lebanese official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said.

SOURCE:
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جوري
05-31-2010, 03:28 PM
The above are from Medhat creedi a Christian Arab
http://www.mideastwatch.com/
whose son was harassed on more than occasion for his 'middle easterness' and accused of being an 'Islamist' .. at the time he dropped the bomb that he's christian, really shook his opponents for a while, but it is a really a wake up call for any christian from middle eastern origin or even Muslims who try their best to 'integrate' these racist pigs don't give a dam n unless it is something to further their Zionist or christofundie agenda ...
They will go after your loved ones, your homelands, your jobs and your children and if you think you have a sense of community and leadership all but you have to do is advertise your Islamicness before the carpet bombs drop on you!

7asbona Allah wa'ni3ma alwakeel, although I knew those going to the aid of the palis took upon themselves martyrdom and may Allah swt yataqabal the best of their deeds.. that is exactly what we all need to do, have no love for this world but have a love of Justice and a love of God!

:w:
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Masuma
05-31-2010, 03:31 PM
@ brother ardianto:
The video you posted, is it in Indonasian lang? Couldn't understand what is written at top...

Jazakamullahu Kahir dear brother for it! May Allah reward you! :cry:
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 03:32 PM
Hezbollah: World Should Reject Oppression, Cut Ties with Israel

Hezbollah vehemently condemned on Monday the Israeli terrorist crime against activists on board the Gaza-bound “Freedom” flotilla that killed 19 unarmed activists and injured dozens others.

In a statement, Hezbollah denounced the ‘horrible terrorist crime committed by the Zionist occupation forces against innocent civilians on a human mission to express solidarity with the Palestinians besieged in the Gaza strip.”

The statement added that the crime was another proof of the “inherent evil in Zionists which targets all human beings regardless of their confession and race
as long as they're ready to stand by righteousness in the face of the persistent Zionist terrorism against the Palestinians.”

The Hezbollah statement underlined “this atrocious crime is the materialization of the inherent force of tyranny which has escalated in the past years due to the unlimited Western support to the Zionist scheme, and due to the wrong political bargaining of some Arab regimes.”

Targeting civilians and inflicting losses among them is an old Israeli policy emanating from the fundamental ideology of its leaders who established the usurping entity, Hezbollah said. “This policy was present well before the establishment of the occupation entity in Palestine and interpreted itself on different occasions,” the statement added.

Hezbollah stressed it believed that “this crime should constitute a turning point in dealing with the usurping entity at the level of all international powers. The party considers international institutions are in front of a historic test to prove its already shaken credibility. They are demanded that they do their obvious duty to face Zionist crimes the last but not least of which was the attack on activists representing 40 countries.”

The statement also called on the whole world not to keep mum at Israel’s crimes and initiate concrete steps to reject oppression “by cutting all sorts of ties with the Zionist entity and holding Israel responsible for targeting innocent civilians on board the ships.”

“Hezbollah believes that Arab and Islamic leaders are required to adopt the position of their peoples, because condemnations are no longer sufficient given the bloody scene imposed by Israel. They are also required to cut all ties with Israel with concrete strategic steps to break the siege on Gaza and the West Bank and to support the Palestinian people with every possible means that would help them free their land and put an end to the Zionist occupation nightmare.”

Hezbollah offered deep condolences to the families of the victims, and paid special tribute to the Turkish people for standing by their Palestinian brothers with the support of the Turkish leadership that continues to reject Israel arrogance.”

Source: http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/N...72&language=en
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Nájlá
05-31-2010, 03:37 PM
Raid on flotilla puts final nail in coffin of Turkish ties with Israel

As details slowly emerge in the wake of Israel’s deadly attack on a flotilla of aid ships bound for the Gaza Strip, leaders from Turkey’s ruling and opposition parties raise their voices to condemn the action. It is the latest and worst incident in a long line of troublesome encounters over the last year and a half between the two NATO allies and some say this could be the final act. ‘Our relations will never be the same,’ says a member of the ruling AKP
Israel’s deadly attack on a Palestinian aid convoy is likely to be the last straw in already fraught Turkish-Israeli relations, according to senior officials in Turkey’s ruling party.

Though the identities of the killed civilians were still unknown late Monday when the Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review went to print, it is believed that many of the dead are Turkish citizens.

“Our relations with Israel will never be the same,” Hüseyin Çelik, spokesman of the Justice and Development Party, or AKP, told reporters Monday.

The Israeli attack dealt a devastating blow to relations already strained by tensions over Israeli actions in Gaza in late 2008.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s escalating rhetoric that targeted the Israeli government and his remarks that Israel’s alleged nuclear weapons capacity was comparable to Iran’s quest to develop such weapons was responsible for putting a strain on bilateral ties over the past year.

On Monday, Turkey appeared to be taking the lead in gathering international support against the Israeli attack, with the government already pressing international organizations such as the Organization of the Islamic Conference, or OIC, the European Union and the Arab League to take action.

“The worst possible scenario has happened,” said the head of the Turkish Center for International Relations and Strategic Analysis, or TÜRKSAM, Sinan Oğan.

“Israel has made a suicide commando move, and has committed suicide internationally, he said. “The Turkish-Israeli relationship is now open to every different scenario.”

He said, “The relationship between Turkey and Israel will face its biggest test in history, with the possibility of Turkey taking this issue to the European Union.”

Hasan Köni, an international relations professor, said the incident would further strain Turkish-Israeli ties in comments to the private Habertürk channel on Monday.

“Israel lost a lot. It’s a major mistake in the eyes of the West. This will strengthen Turkey’s hands,” Köni said, adding that it will be hard to repair Turkish-Israeli ties in the near future following Turkey’s decision to recall its ambassador for a second time in only a few months.

In addition to the diplomatic recall, Turkey also canceled three joint military drills and sporting activities on Monday.

Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu also called on the United Nations Security Council to convene an urgent meeting on the attack, which was declared “piracy” by Deputy Prime Minister Bülent Arınç. Erdoğan, meanwhile, cut short his Latin America tour and was expected to return home Tuesday.

Three pillars of the strategy

Turkey’s strategy against Israel will likely be based on three main dimensions, including political, legal and humanitarian aspects.

Politically, Turkey plans to mobilize all international organizations to exert pressure on Tel Aviv to change its aggressive policies toward the Palestinians and remove the blockade on West Bank. Turkey is also likely to push for a global front to force Israel to punish those responsible for Monday’s attacks.

On the legal front, Turkish diplomats have begun to explore avenues to determine whether it is possible to bring the attack before international courts.

Lastly, Turkey will also use the attack to draw attention to the humanitarian situation of the Palestinian people. The visit of Mahmoud Abbas, president of Palestine, is seen within this context.

Attack not to remain unanswered

Crisis desks were established at the Turkish Prime Ministry and the Foreign Ministry on Monday morning. Speaking to reporters after an emergency meeting, Arınç said 400 of the Mavi Marmara’s 581 passengers were Turks.

“I strongly condemn the use of force by Israeli military forces on an aid convoy composed of 32 countries, including Turkey,” he said. “This attack must not remain unanswered.”

Arınç said the government was not involved in the organization of the flotilla, saying it was a pure civil society initiative.

Early in the day, Israel’s ambassador to Ankara, Gabby Levy, was summoned to the Turkish Foreign Ministry. Deputy Undersecretary Ünal Çeviköz demanded Levy provide a detailed report about the outcome of the passengers of the boats, the Hürriyet Daily News has learned.

Çeviköz said it was against international law to forcibly interfere with ships carrying humanitarian aid in international waters.

“We want the return of the injured, and the cooperation needed to have them treated in Turkey. We expect the other passengers to be returned to their countries immediately,” he said. “We demand an end to this unlawful situation, and the release of the detained ships in international waters.”

Meanwhile, while en route to the United States, Davutoğlu said, “Under all conditions, even if no one had been injured, this is still an act of piracy.”
Source:http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.p...urn-2010-05-31

May Allaah(swt) make this tragedy become a victory for Palestine as the world sees first hand international reports of what Israel really is.
Aameen!
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Masuma
05-31-2010, 03:38 PM
Gaza ship raid "brings Israel close to its end": Ahmadinejad

TEHRAN : Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said a deadly Israeli military raid Monday on a Gaza-bound aid ship was an "inhuman" act that brought Tehran's arch-foe "closer than ever to its end."

"The inhuman action of the Zionist regime against the Palestinian people and preventing the humanitarian aid from reaching Gazans does not show this regime's strength, but is a sign of its weakness, and all this brings this sinister and fake regime closer than ever to its end," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying by the official IRNA news agency.

The hardliner, who has previously enraged the world for making remarks that Israel was "doomed to be wiped off the map," said Monday's attack was an "insult to human dignity."

"Today, it is clearly evident that the Palestinian issue is not an Arab or Islamic one, but a world issue. Today, the reason for creating and imposing of the Zionist regime has become evident to all," he said.

"The creation of this fake regime is not only to control the Middle East, but the whole world. Therefore, supporting Palestinian people is like supporting the peace and freedom of all nations."

The animosity between Israel and Iran has worsened under Ahmadinejad who has even called the Holocaust as a "myth."

Up to 19 people died when Israeli forces stormed the flotilla of aid-carrying ships bound for Gaza at dawn on Monday in international waters off the northern Israeli port city of Haifa, Israeli television reported.

The bloody ending to the high-profile mission to deliver supplies to the besieged Gaza Strip plunged Israel into a diplomatic crisis and widespread protests against the Jewish state.

Later in Tehran, about 100 people gathered outside the office of the United Nations and protested against the raid, chanting "Death to Israel!" and "This savage regime of Israel must be wiped out!"

They also tore up pictures of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, an AFP photographer said.

Source:
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sister herb
05-31-2010, 03:40 PM
Zionists can´t stop us. We will return and return untill Palestine is Free.

All Palestine.

:hiding:
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ardianto
05-31-2010, 03:43 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by An33za
@ brother ardianto:
The video you posted, is it in Indonasian lang? Couldn't understand what is written at top...

Jazakamullahu Kahir dear brother for it! May Allah reward you! :cry:
The title is : Video of Israeli commando attack on ship Mavi Marmara.

That video was posted by Malaysian.
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aadil77
05-31-2010, 03:45 PM
Like the other families gathered at the İHH building trying to obtain news from their relatives on the ship, Akdeniz said she was shocked by the attacks and that she was worried and crying.

“I did not expect that much cruelty. My husband even did not have a pocket knife on him,” she said. “It was a strict rule for all of them not to have anything that might be used as a weapon. But Israel was afraid of a few civilian people.”
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Woodrow
05-31-2010, 03:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by piXie
What You Can Do About The Flotilla Attack


PLEASE TAKE ACTION BROTHERS AND SISTERS


Just 50 complaints can stop the BBC's biased reporting on the Israeli Army's attacks on the unarmed civilians in the Freedom Flotilla.

Throughout this entire week when the Flotilla has been getting closer to Gaza, despite the numerous threats by the Israelis, the mainstream media (except the Guardian) in this country have given it barely any air time at all.

Just three simple actions by you can ensure that the crimes being committed by Israel are reported accurately:

1. Call the BBC on 0370-010-0222 (then choose 'Option 1' and then 'Option 3') to ask why they are being biased in their report when it is clear that the Freedom Flotilla has unarmed civilians and that the Israeli Army is the aggressor. Please include the following in your complaint:

- Why do they not provide balanced coverage by giving peace activists equal air time to the Israeli spokesmen?

- Why do they fail to question Israeli claims when Israel has previously been proven to have lied about attacks on peace activists such as Tom Hurndall?

2. Write to your MP via www.writetothem.com demanding your MP condemn Israel for it's actions and call for sanctions against Israel.
3. Tell all your family and friends to do the same

There are also 2 demonstrations taking place in England today:

London - 2pm outside 10 Downing Street (nearest station is Westminster)

Manchester - 5pm outside BBC's office: New Broadcasting House, PO Box 27, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ

Some media outlets are trying to keep the story quiet - which just means we all have to work harder to let everyone know what is really happening.

Read more: http://www.mpacuk.org/story/310510/a...#ixzz0pWJmvOdS

http://www.mpacuk.org/story/310510/a...activists.html
:sl:

Good advice and something we each can do
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aadil77
05-31-2010, 03:48 PM
Like the other families gathered at the İHH building trying to obtain news from their relatives on the ship, Akdeniz said she was shocked by the attacks and that she was worried and crying.

“I did not expect that much cruelty. My husband even did not have a pocket knife on him,” she said. “It was a strict rule for all of them not to have anything that might be used as a weapon. But Israel was afraid of a few civilian people.”
poor people, they knew IDF terrorists would find any excuse to massacre them, so they were specifically told not to carry anything that could be used a weapon
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ardianto
05-31-2010, 04:00 PM
Video from Mavi Marmara before attacked by Israel. The first 27 seconds in this video was taken just few moments before Israeli attack.

http://video.tvone.co.id/arsip/view/...entara_israel/

There are 12 Indonesian volunteers in Mavi Marmara. According to Ministry of Foreign Affair, three Indonesian are wounded. But there is a news from Al-Alam Iran (but need confirmation), one Indonesian is syahid.
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ardianto
05-31-2010, 04:01 PM
Double post ....... again.
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Nájlá
05-31-2010, 04:05 PM
Gaza flotilla deaths: the world reacts

United Nations, Turkey, Greece, Arab and Muslim groups, EU, UK, USA, Algeria, Australia, Belgium, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Lebanon,
Netherlands, Palestinians, Spain and Sweden. All speak out, see what they said Here

Israel has proved what they really are.
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Masuma
05-31-2010, 04:06 PM
@ brother aadil77:
Israel just needs an excuse, nothing else! Even if you would have gone there empty handed, Israel would have given the excuse that "why you even carried your limbs; you can attack us with your hands and feet, so let us tear them apart from you!!! "
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 04:17 PM
unbelievable, as the person speaks there are deaths and wounded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9OQ-_6_ROI
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Woodrow
05-31-2010, 05:18 PM
I can not believe this headline. Does any person with over 1/4 a brain believe this:

Netanyahu: Flotilla raid was made in self defense

SOURCE
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glo
05-31-2010, 05:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
Like the other families gathered at the İHH building trying to obtain news from their relatives on the ship, Akdeniz said she was shocked by the attacks and that she was worried and crying.

“I did not expect that much cruelty. My husband even did not have a pocket knife on him,” she said. “It was a strict rule for all of them not to have anything that might be used as a weapon. But Israel was afraid of a few civilian people.”
Still, the Israelis claim that the first Israeli soldiers to enter the ship were attacked with knives and clubs ... and there is video evidence to support the claim.

(BTW, I am not saying that the Israeli action was justified - neither the way they entered the ship in the first place, nor the force with which they reacted to being attacked. But the initial physical attacks appear to have come from those on the ship ... :hmm:)
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glo
05-31-2010, 05:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
Zionists can´t stop us. We will return and return untill Palestine is Free.

All Palestine.

:hiding:
I pray that day will come, sister harb.

I saw pictures of people protesting in London. There were many non-Muslims and even some Jews amongst them!
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shev
05-31-2010, 05:41 PM
Of course people on the ship wouldn't wait soldiers with the roses in their hands...... because they have told them that they are going to help people and soldiers had said that they'll attack....
We wish soldiers would got on the ship at least with the guns which has bluff... but they have used real bullet to those people who have just sticks....
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aadil77
05-31-2010, 06:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by An33za
@ brother aadil77:
Israel just needs an excuse, nothing else! Even if you would have gone there empty handed, Israel would have given the excuse that "why you even carried your limbs; you can attack us with your hands and feet, so let us tear them apart from you!!! "
Allah will deal with that filth and we'll get the last laugh

Quran 83:34-83:36 But on this Day the Believers will laugh at the Unbelievers, On high couches, gazing. Are not the disbelievers paid for what they used to do?
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glo
05-31-2010, 06:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by shev
Of course people on the ship wouldn't wait soldiers with the roses in their hands...... because they have told them that they are going to help people and soldiers had said that they'll attack....
We wish soldiers would got on the ship at least with the guns which has bluff... but they have used real bullet to those people who have just sticks....
I agree that the reaction of the Israeli forces was totally disproportionate to the threat they encountered from the occupants of the ship.
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waji
05-31-2010, 06:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
Still, the Israelis claim that the first Israeli soldiers to enter the ship were attacked with knives and clubs ... and there is video evidence to support the claim.

(BTW, I am not saying that the Israeli action was justified - neither the way they entered the ship in the first place, nor the force with which they reacted to being attacked. But the initial physical attacks appear to have come from those on the ship ... :hmm:)
:sl:

That ship was in international waters not in Israeli waters
so i believe people on the ship has a right to attack as armed men of Israel army jumped on the ship
for what they went on the ship ??
Israeli army just acted like Pirates
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Ramadhan
05-31-2010, 06:09 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
That people would call themselves Israel supporters or Palestinian supporters bothers me a little. Tribalism helps nobody.

That westerners love to hide their heads in the sands and ignore the reality that the western governments especially the US totally support the terrorist state of Israel does not surprise me. Hypocrisy helps no one.
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glo
05-31-2010, 06:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by waji
:sl:

That ship was in international waters not in Israeli waters
so i believe people on the ship has a right to attack as armed men of Israel army jumped on the ship
for what they went on the ship ??
Israeli army just acted like Pirates
That's interesting. I wasn't aware of that. If that's the case, it certainly puts the actions of the Israelis in an even worse light!
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Ramadhan
05-31-2010, 06:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
Still, the Israelis claim that the first Israeli soldiers to enter the ship were attacked with knives and clubs ... and there is video evidence to support the claim.

(BTW, I am not saying that the Israeli action was justified - neither the way they entered the ship in the first place, nor the force with which they reacted to being attacked. But the initial physical attacks appear to have come from those on the ship ... :hmm:)
If a robber enters your house forcefully carrying guns and clearly intend to incapacitate you, would you:
a. serve him tea and biscuits
or
b. defend yourself and attack him with whatever weapon you have at hand?
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waji
05-31-2010, 06:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
I can not believe this headline. Does any person with over 1/4 a brain believe this:

Netanyahu: Flotilla raid was made in self defense

SOURCE
A raid in self defense ?? what he is talking about
The Ship was in International Waters
The people on board were in due right to attack the pirates (Israeli Army)
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Vito
05-31-2010, 06:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
I can not believe this headline. Does any person with over 1/4 a brain believe this:

Netanyahu: Flotilla raid was made in self defense

SOURCE
After reading the comments, it seems people actually support what they did. Don't even ask :heated:
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tango92
05-31-2010, 06:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
I can not believe this headline. Does any person with over 1/4 a brain believe this:


SOURCE
uncle ive long since held the belief that the general population actually has no intelectual capacity of its own and will follow based on ignorance quite happily.
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Predator
05-31-2010, 06:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
Allah will deal with that filth and we'll get the last laugh


Quran 83:34-83:36 But on this Day the Believers will laugh at the Unbelievers, On high couches, gazing. Are not the disbelievers paid for what they used to do?
Actually , Allah will deal with them here on earth itself before Judgement days when we Muslims will give these Jews another a holocaust which they so rightfully deserve

Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, reported:
Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Last Hour will not come until the Muslims fight against the Jews and the Muslims will kill them until the Jews will hide themselves behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say: Muslim, the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the Gharqad tree will not say this, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Hadith number in Sahih Muslim [Arabic only]: 5203
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Suomipoika
05-31-2010, 07:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
I agree that the reaction of the Israeli forces was totally disproportionate to the threat they encountered from the occupants of the ship.
According to this video it seemed to be pretty bad for the IDF soldiers. Mob of guys beating soldiers as they board one by one, one of them is even thrown overboard or to a lower deck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkL...has_verified=1

I know its Israeli video by idfnadesk but parts of it has been seen on different angles on videos recorded by people on board the freedom flotilla, like on the video on the following link starting around 30 seconds when they attack the IDF members coming from up.

http://www.islamicboard.com/world-af...ml#post1333048

Im not entirely sure I can judge it so easily what would have been appropriate response to such violence but I can understand why overwhelmed soldiers could open fire in such situation.

format_quote Originally Posted by glo
That's interesting. I wasn't aware of that. If that's the case, it certainly puts the actions of the Israelis in an even worse light!
According to international humanitarian law it doesnt seem to. Courtesy of Red Cross.

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082...25641f002d49ce

format_quote Originally Posted by ICRC
SECTION IV : AREAS OF NAVAL WARFARE

10. Subject to other applicable rules of the law of armed conflict at sea contained in this document or elsewhere, hostile actions by naval forces may be conducted in, on or over:

(a) the territorial sea and internal waters, the land territories, the exclusive economic zone and continental shelf and, where applicable, the archipelagic waters, of belligerent States;
(b) the high seas; and
(c) subject to paragraphs 34 and 35, the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf of neutral States.
First quote is to show that this law is valid in the high seas aka international waters

67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
The people on the flotilla clearly declared they were going to go to and later journeyed towards and approached the Gaza strip. I dont think its unreasonable for Israel to believe that they are going to breach the blockade.
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-31-2010, 07:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Airforce
Actually , Allah will deal with them here on earth itself before Judgement days when we Muslims will give these Jews another a holocaust which they so rightfully deserve

Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, reported:
Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Last Hour will not come until the Muslims fight against the Jews and the Muslims will kill them until the Jews will hide themselves behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say: Muslim, the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the Gharqad tree will not say this, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Hadith number in Sahih Muslim [Arabic only]: 5203
May Allah make it come true very soon! Ameen. I am just annoyed that BBC and CNN reports are still confirming 9 deaths.:heated:

Israeli PM 'regrets' deaths as troops storm aid ships


Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has expressed regret after at least nine people died when troops stormed ships trying to break the Gaza blockade.

But he said soldiers had been defending themselves after they were "clubbed, beaten and stabbed".

Pro-Palestinian campaigners say the soldiers opened fire unprovoked when they landed on the aid-carrying ships.

There has been international condemnation of the loss of life, and the UN is holding an emergency session.

As the meeting of the UN Security Council got under way in New York, diplomats said the draft text of a resolution called for condemnation of the operation, the immediate release of the impounded ships and for an international inquiry.

Mr Netanyahu cut short a visit to Canada to deal with the growing crisis and cancelled a scheduled meeting in Washington with US President Barack Obama on Tuesday.

'Defend themselves'

Israel imposed a blockade on the Gaza Strip after the Islamist movement Hamas took power there in 2007.

The six-ship convoy had set out to carry 10,000 tonnes of aid from Cyprus to Gaza, despite repeated Israeli warnings that it would not be allowed to reach the territory.

In a statement, Mr Netanyahu defended the Israeli operation, saying troops were attacked when they landed on the largest of the six ships in the flotilla.

"They were mobbed. They were clubbed, they were beaten, stabbed," he said.

"There was even a report of gunfire and our soldiers had to defend themselves, defend their lives or they would have been killed.

"Regrettably, in this exchange... people died. We regret this loss of life. We regret any of the violence."

Organisers of the convoy have strongly denied the Israeli account.

Contact with activists on the ships was lost after the raids and no first-hand accounts from them have yet emerged.

Arafat Shoukri, of the Free Gaza Movement (FGM) which helped organise the convoy, said those on board one ship had told them by telephone that Israeli helicopters had arrived.

"Then we started to hear screams, shouting, shooting everywhere," he said. "We heard some of them shouting 'We are raising the white flag, stop shooting at us'."

He said Israeli claims that activists had pistols and other weapons were "cheap propaganda".

Audrey Bomse, also of the FGM, told the BBC that the activists were "not going to pose any violent resistance".

The flotilla left the coast of Cyprus on Sunday and had been due to arrive in Gaza on Monday.

Reports say troops boarded the ship about 40 miles (64 km) out to sea in international waters.

Organisers of the flotilla said at least 30 people were wounded in the incident. Israel says 10 of its soldiers were injured, one seriously.

There has been widespread condemnation of the violence, with several countries summoning their Israeli ambassadors.

UN chief Ban Ki-moon said he was "shocked" and called for a "full investigation" into what happened.

The White House said the US "deeply regrets the loss of life" and was "currently working to understand the circumstances surrounding this tragedy".

There was a particularly strong response from Turkey, where many of the activists on the ships are from.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused Israel of state terrorism and violation of international law.

In Istanbul, thousands of protesters took part in an angry demonstration against Israel.

Turkey was Israel's closest Muslim ally but relations have deteriorated in recent years.

Greece has withdrawn from joint military exercises with Israel in protest at the raid on the flotilla.

The office of French President Nicolas Sarkozy said he condemned "the disproportionate use of force", while UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said there was "a clear need for Israel to act with restraint and in line with international obligations".

Israel has escorted the ships to the port of Ashdod and says it will deport the passengers from there.

Israel says it allows about 15,000 tonnes of humanitarian aid into Gaza every week.

But the UN says this is less than a quarter of what is needed.
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Nájlá
05-31-2010, 07:21 PM
I can't believe what I am hearing... These Pigs have gone so low to the point where they would beat up Al Jazeera reporter?
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Predator
05-31-2010, 07:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf
May Allah make it come true very soon! Ameen. I am just annoyed that BBC and CNN reports are still confirming 9 deaths.:heated:

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What else can you expect from BBC, CNN and FOXNEWS media who are all controlled by those Zionist Pigs.
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Insaanah
05-31-2010, 07:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Nájlá
I can't believe what I am hearing... These Pigs have gone so low to the point where they would beat up Al Jazeera reporter?
Seems like this is new for you.

Unfortunately they've stooped that low many times before.

Israel has killed in the past cameramen, reporters, civilians, peace activists, in fact anyone within firing/bulldozing range that tries to portray the truth of their atrocities.

eg see THIS link as just one example.

And THIS one.
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-31-2010, 08:08 PM



Pictures taken from CNN. Had to do a screenshot for this picture.
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Yusuf Saeed
05-31-2010, 08:08 PM
According to this video it seemed to be pretty bad for the IDF soldiers. Mob of guys beating soldiers as they board one by one, one of them is even thrown overboard or to a lower deck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkL...has_verified=1

I know its Israeli video by idfnadesk but parts of it has been seen on different angles on videos recorded by people on board the freedom flotilla, like on the video on the following link starting around 30 seconds when they attack the IDF members coming from up.

http://www.islamicboard.com/world-af...ml#post1333048 (Israeli forces attack aid Gaza aid flotilla, kill activists)

Im not entirely sure I can judge it so easily what would have been appropriate response to such violence but I can understand why overwhelmed soldiers could open fire in such situation.
Clearly it were the Israeli soldiers who attacked the humanitarian aid ship and thus are responible for all the consequences, deaths and injuries. People on board the ship were simply acting in self-defence. Israeli soldiers were coming from the air with guns, aboarded the ship by force with no justification. People fighting them off with sticks and poles must be seen as a response to the aggressive and inhumane entry of the IDF and not as a start of violence. Violence was started the moment Israeli vessels surrounded the Freedom Flotilla ships not allowing them to move freely in international waters and was continued when the IDF soldiers aggressively aboarded the Turkish ship.

According to international humanitarian law it doesnt seem to. Courtesy of Red Cross.

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082...25641f002d49ce

Quote Originally Posted by ICRC
SECTION IV : AREAS OF NAVAL WARFARE

10. Subject to other applicable rules of the law of armed conflict at sea contained in this document or elsewhere, hostile actions by naval forces may be conducted in, on or over:

(a) the territorial sea and internal waters, the land territories, the exclusive economic zone and continental shelf and, where applicable, the archipelagic waters, of belligerent States;
(b) the high seas; and
(c) subject to paragraphs 34 and 35, the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf of neutral States.
First quote is to show that this law is valid in the high seas aka international waters
That quote of international law was completely out of place and the claim related to it invalid as you simply quoted the wrong law. It is so because this was an extract from international law applicable to armed conflicts at sea, not about starting these conflicts, neither about attacking an unarmed humanitarian aid vessel. Also, the claims you made indicate that it's important to note that knives and metal poles do not make a ship an "armed vessel".

Let's better have a look at United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, that has more to do with this incident, especially its part VII which articles decare the following.
Article 87: Freedom of the high seas. That includes freedom of navigation (a).
Article 88: Reservation of the high seas for peaceful purposes. The high seas shall be reserved for peaceful purposes.
Article 89. No State may validly purport to subject any part of the high seas to its sovereignty.
Source

Israel clearly violated these articles by attacking a humanitarian aid vessel in the high seas.

The people on the flotilla clearly declared they were going to go to and later journeyed towards and approached the Gaza strip. I dont think its unreasonable for Israel to believe that they are going to breach the blockade.
One of the main purposes of the whole thing was to breach the blockade. 1.5 million people have been suffering due to the blockade for about 3 years. The international community has clearly condemned the blockade, it's inhumane and unappropriate. The UN has clearly stated that the aid Israel allows to go through is less than a quarter than is needed. Plus no building materials are allowed through although hundreds of buildings (including schools and hospitals) were severely damaged late 2008 and early 2009 by Israel.

Anyone who is human enough would condemn such occupation and oppression of the Gazans. I hope you are too.
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-31-2010, 08:17 PM
that was a great video of Israeli soldiers getting a beat..may Allah make their death come in extreme pain and suffer.
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Nájlá
05-31-2010, 08:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Insane Insaan
Seems like this is new for you.

Unfortunately they've stooped that low many times before.

Israel has killed in the past cameramen, reporters, civilians, peace activists, in fact anyone within firing/bulldozing range that tries to portray the truth of their atrocities.

eg see THIS link as just one example.

And THIS one.
format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf



Pictures taken from CNN. Had to do a screenshot for this picture.
Subhanallah.... imsad I have nothing else to say anymore.
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 08:40 PM
Turkey Accuses Israel of 'State Terror', Recalls Envoy

Turkey on Monday accused Israel of "state terror" and recalled its ambassador after a deadly raid on Gaza-bound aid ships by Israeli forces left at least 19 dead, most of them Turkish nationals on the Mavi Marmara ship.
"It should be known that we will not stay silent and unresponsive in the face of this inhuman state terror," Erdogan said in live televised remarks ahead of his departure from Chile to Turkey, cutting short his Latin American tour.
"International law has been trampled underfoot," he added. "This attack has clearly shown once again that the Israeli government does not want peace in the region."

Earlier, Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc announced that the Turkish ambassador to Tel Aviv, Oguz Celikkol, was summoned back to Ankara and plans for three joint military exercises with Israel had also been scrapped.
Turkey has called an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, where it holds a non-permanent seat, he added.

Erdogan said that his country had also called for emergency NATO talks over the Israeli raid. An alliance spokesman said the meeting would take place Tuesday.
"By targeting civilians, Israel has once again shown its disregard for human life and peaceful initiatives," a Turkish foreign ministry statement said.
"This deplorable incident, which took place in open seas and constitutes a flagrant breach of international law, may lead to irreparable consequences in our bilateral relations.... Israel will have to bear the consequences of this behavior," it said.

Turkish army chief Ilker Basbug, who cut short a visit to Egypt and returned to Turkey Monday, told his Israeli counterpart Gabi Ashkenazi in a telephone conversation that the use of military force against the aid ships was "grave and unacceptable", an army statement said.
Basbug also said that the Israeli raid "had led to very serious consequences", it added.

President Abdullah Gul said Turkey was demanding that Israel "swiftly carry out all necessary inquiries on the issue and punish those responsible."

Israeli ambassador Gabby Levy was summoned to the foreign ministry as thousands took to the streets across Turkey to protest the assault that came atop already deteriorating ties between Ankara and Tel Aviv.
Turkey asked for a detailed report on the fate of all people who were aboard the vessels, a Turkish diplomat told AFP, adding that they included nationals from 33 countries.

Levy was also told that the Turkish passengers and the wounded should be repatriated to Turkey in the shortest possible time and the vessels released, he said.

Some 10,000 people gathered at the central Taksim square in the country's biggest city Istanbul, burning Israeli flags and calling for a boycott of Israeli goods, an AFP photographer said.
"**** Israel!", "A tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye, revenge, revenge!" chanted the protestors, carrying Turkish, Palestinian, and Hezbollah flags.
A crowd of some 1,000 people protested outside Levy's residence in Ankara, shouting "**** Israel" and reciting prayers.

The Israeli navy stormed the flotilla of six vessels as it sailed to Gaza in a bid to break the blockade of the impoverished enclave, in place since 2007, and deliver some 10,000 tons of supplies, killing 19 unarmed passengers.

Source: http://www.almanar.com.lb/NewsSite/N...84&language=en
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 08:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Suomipoika
According to this video it seemed to be pretty bad for the IDF soldiers. Mob of guys beating soldiers as they board one by one, one of them is even thrown overboard or to a lower deck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkL...has_verified=1

I know its Israeli video by idfnadesk but parts of it has been seen on different angles on videos recorded by people on board the freedom flotilla, like on the video on the following link starting around 30 seconds when they attack the IDF members coming from up.

http://www.islamicboard.com/world-af...ml#post1333048

Im not entirely sure I can judge it so easily what would have been appropriate response to such violence but I can understand why overwhelmed soldiers could open fire in such situation.



According to international humanitarian law it doesnt seem to. Courtesy of Red Cross.

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082...25641f002d49ce



First quote is to show that this law is valid in the high seas aka international waters



The people on the flotilla clearly declared they were going to go to and later journeyed towards and approached the Gaza strip. I dont think its unreasonable for Israel to believe that they are going to breach the blockade.

Israel never adheres to International law and violates all 200 UN resolutions against them and you are still trying to defend them?
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The_Prince
05-31-2010, 09:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
Still, the Israelis claim that the first Israeli soldiers to enter the ship were attacked with knives and clubs ... and there is video evidence to support the claim.

(BTW, I am not saying that the Israeli action was justified - neither the way they entered the ship in the first place, nor the force with which they reacted to being attacked. But the initial physical attacks appear to have come from those on the ship ... :hmm:)
ohhh yeah, there is video evidence, video evidence from the criminals? wow, how reliable, how about they show the whole video recording and not what they just want you to see.

furthermore there are many eyewitnesses who were on the boat who have given accounts of what has happened, israel ambushed them and went on their ships with guns. if a group of guys come into my ship with guns and i have sticks u think im not going to probaly want to defend myself?

whats the difference between these israeli thugs and pirates???
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Suomipoika
05-31-2010, 09:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Yusuf Saeed
That quote of international law was completely out of place and the claim related to it invalid as you simply quoted the wrong law. It is so because this was an extract from international law applicable to armed conflicts at sea, not about starting these conflicts, neither about attacking an unarmed humanitarian aid vessel. Also, the claims you made indicate that it's important to note that knives and metal poles do not make a ship an "armed vessel".

Let's better have a look at United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, that has more to do with this incident, especially its part VII which articles decare the following.
Article 87: Freedom of the high seas. That includes freedom of navigation (a).
Article 88: Reservation of the high seas for peaceful purposes. The high seas shall be reserved for peaceful purposes.
Article 89. No State may validly purport to subject any part of the high seas to its sovereignty.
Source

Israel clearly violated these articles by attacking a humanitarian aid vessel in the high seas.
Naval operations in an armed conflict including the stopping of shipping weapons to one participant in a war via sea isnt armed conflict at sea? Just because Israel has complete superiority and Hamas is in a position where they are unable to do anything else than to try to rush ships to and from Gaza it isnt armed conflict at sea? What exactly is then armed conflict at sea?

format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
You are from Finland, of course you are going to support your fellow Zionazi brothers, it doesn't surprise me. Why don't you go to some anti-Islam site where you belong?
I like to discuss with people who have different opinion than I. Sorry if that offends you but there is no need to try to insult me or Finland.
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The_Prince
05-31-2010, 09:17 PM
mr suom, you make me sick with your excuses for israel, you are the typical imperial hypocrite at its best. aid activists simply carrying aid are murdered and here you are giving your dumb justifications.
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Supreme
05-31-2010, 09:24 PM
This disgraceful state sponsored murder of nine people has rewarded Israel with international condemnation, and rightfully so. However, there needs to be something more to show Israel it cannot go about doing this and get away with it. There needs to be tougher diplomatic action- a few protesters in Turkey and the suspension of some joint military exercises is hardly going to teach Israel a lesson, is it? The big players need to act- the UK, EU, and possibly even the United States.

I pray that the victims will be safe and their families comforted; I also pray that God forgives the Israeli soldiers responsible for this brutal crime.
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 09:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Suomipoika
I like to discuss with people who have different opinion than I. Sorry if that offends you but there is no need to try to insult me or Finland.
Yours is not an "opinion", you are simply supporting Israeli terror and occupation and massacres. Israel never adheres to international law and is violating all 200 UN resolutions against them, and yet you are still trying to defend them. Of course Israel and the West in general are above the law, I understand....
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 09:31 PM
^^ I remember him from some other forums in the past, he is your typical brainwashed Muslim hater, or in other words: typical westerner. I know there are some good people in the West but they are a minority. The majority are extremely pro-Israel and pro U.S; the warmongers and biggest violaters of international law. This is undeniable, I'm not offending anyone, it's the truth.
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-31-2010, 09:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Suomipoika
Naval operations in an armed conflict including the stopping of shipping weapons to one participant in a war via sea isnt armed conflict at sea? Just because Israel has complete superiority and Hamas is in a position where they are unable to do anything else than to try to rush ships to and from Gaza it isnt armed conflict at sea? What exactly is then armed conflict at sea?


I like to discuss with people who have different opinion than I. Sorry if that offends you but there is no need to try to insult me or Finland.

Give me an authentic source where it says that those ships were carrying weapons. Try to look for sources before you speak again. People like you are ignorant, no matter what Israel does, you will be at its feet saying "We are here for you at your service, master" Freaking Idiots.
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Masuma
05-31-2010, 09:39 PM
We are suffering so much! I want justice now! Justice for each and every of my Muslim brother and sister!!! :cry:


I just watched BBC and CNN and both these channels have infuriated me like hell! These channels DISGUST me! So biased have been there attempts to present the “absolute inhumane act of Israel” as something which was done in self-defense! Now are we realizing how important it was to have an unbiased, Muslim voice; to have a Muslim news channel of our own were the news are not tempered in any way and only truth prevails in every news! Shame on us, the so called “Muslim Ummah”, that we don’t have any of such news channels which should have reached Muslim masses! Al-Jazeerah if you say is an Islamic news channel, then know this that it doesn’t even stand a single chance in front of BBC and CNN. The audience of the latter channels is just 50 times huge in number than Al-Jazeerah’s audience!

I request you all my dear Muslim brothers and sisters to pray to Allah that He may give enough strength to Dr.Zakir Naik to launch a world-wide Muslim news channel too! He dreams of having one and it is one of my biggest desires too that may Allah grant us a powerful Muslim news channel of our own! BBC and CNN will never voice the Muslims properly as they are under the Jews who are our open enemies! So please pray after every Salah to Allah, to unite us and grant us a powerful voice of our own! :cry:

Now let me just share with you some of the cunning strategies of BBC and CNN that I’ve noticed so far. BBC and CNN reporters, you will find, paying more stress to unimportant statements, e.g; the news reporter said that Turkey has announced that the Israeli raid may leave a negative lasting effect on the relationships of the two countries, and these are, she said “very strong words”. But why the hell she goes on ignoring the main part of the sentence that
“BECAUSE ISRAEL HAS SLAUGHTERED 12 TURKISH PEOPLE, so this Israeli raid will leave a lasting, negative effects on the relationship!”

These two sentences have a world of a difference between them!

Then BBC and CNN show the footage of the people on the aid ship attacking the commandos. The pigs said that “as soon as the commandos landed on the ship, the people of the ship ATTACKED them with sticks and bows. 20 or 30 people attacking a single soldier”.
First of all news reporters are always deemed as un-biased and so should not pass “COMMENTS” on any side until and unless the enquiry clears up everything. But by these pigs’ above sentences, it is far clearer that they are becoming sympathetic to Israelis and sort of supporting them by it. It’s totally clear!
And secondly, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THEIR BRAINS?! Do bows or sticks look to you a bigger threat than GUNS?! The poor people of the ship were not even trained whereas the Israelis were full-fledged COMMANDOS, who have received special war training and know how to use guns and weapons. They were even physically stronger than the people on the ship because these are army people who undergo exercise after exercise and so develop physical strength. And do Israel wants us to believe that there full-fledged commandos, having guns fully loaded guns with them, were scared of the “ooh sharp” knives and sticks?!

These news channels showed the footage ONLY when people were attacking the commandos and presented it as if it was also a terrorist attack. Who knows that first Israeli Commandos have already shot some people dead, then they started landing on the board from helicopters, and the people totally terrified now, started to do THEIR self-defense?!!! They only part of the video which the Turkish people were able to make was that of the part explained above. What if there was more to it?

Even if it’s not the case, still Israel is so doomed as it SHOT 20 PEOPLE DEAD!!! No one would shoot 20 innocent civilians in self-defense! 20 human lives is such a BIG number! No justification they can offer there.

The ship was not on the Israeli water, but was only in the international water, and so Israel had just no right to do any kind of checking! And do you know people, I feel like as if CNN is helping the Israel with their statements. Now see here how the CNN reporter so mischievously tried to help Israel out of the problem by spinning clever sentences for it. She said that “Israel wanted to have PRIMITIVE measures to ensure security on the first hand” and so that is why it began the operation while the ship was still in international water! These Satans…!

There was also a black and white footage on CNN which someone was making from the dock. Now here the clever idea was that ONLY those Muslims on the ship were focused which were hitting commandos with sticks! No dead Muslim was shot in the footage, neither the soldiers were that much focused. So the whole thing gave just one sided picture that only the Muslims were retaliating and attacking while the “peaceful commandos” allowed themselves being bitten! And further, the footage was specially tagged at various points; at one point, a circle was drawn around a Muslim and text was written there “Muslim hitting a soldier” so that viewers whole concentration diverts to what they want us to see!

These are some of the points I’ve observed so far. InshAllah will try to come up with more.
So now it definitely proves that CNN and BBC are totally biased channels and will never show honestly, the two sides of the picture!

Please don’t forget to pray to Allah to grant us a world-class, powerful Muslim News Channel too through which we would promote Truth and only Truth! :(
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 09:43 PM
I'm sick and tired of such people, they even insult us in our ISLAMIC FORUMS. Their hatred and animosity knows no boundaries!
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Civilsed
05-31-2010, 09:45 PM
Asalam Alaikum,

Ina Lillah wa Ina Ilayhi Rajioon

We need to start contact our government and asking some tough questions.
Just emailed Dep PM (uk) Nick Clegg > nickclegg@sheffieldhallam.org.uk
And

https://email.number10.gov.uk/Contact.aspx
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Masuma
05-31-2010, 09:46 PM
One more point:

CNN and BBC is saying that 9 people are dead whereas TWENTY PEOPLE have been murdered and more than 60 are injured. And not just slightly injured but some are shot in their leg, some elsewhere in the body!

So again one more Satanic strategy of these news channels to hide the real blood thirsty picture of Israel from the world!
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Masuma
05-31-2010, 09:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Civilsed
Asalam Alaikum,

Ina Lillah wa Ina Ilayhi Rajioon

We need to start contact our government and asking some tough questions.
Just emailed Dep PM (uk) Nick Clegg > nickclegg@sheffieldhallam.org.uk
And

https://email.number10.gov.uk/Contact.aspx
I think it's a good idea. So those in uk, why not try it?
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Suomipoika
05-31-2010, 09:47 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf
Give me an authentic source where it says that those ships were carrying weapons. Try to look for sources before you speak again. People like you are ignorant, no matter what Israel does, you will be at its feet saying "We are here for you at your service, master" Freaking Idiots.
Are you claiming there has never been a situation where weapons have been delivered to Gaza via sea during the conflict?

format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
^^ I remember him from some other forums in the past, he is your typical brainwashed Muslim hater, or in other words: typical westerner. I know there are some good people in the West but they are a minority. The majority are extremely pro-Israel and pro U.S; the warmongers and biggest violaters of international law. This is undeniable, I'm not offending anyone, it's the truth.
Right. And you are all the Argamemnons in the internet? Suomipoika has meaning in finnish, that being finnish boy. Im sorry for lacking imagination when choosing forum nick but that hardly is a reason for more personal attacks.

format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
I'm sick and tired of such people, they even insult us in our ISLAMIC FORUMS. Their hatred and animosity knows no boundaries!
Actually since I started posting all the personal attacks and insults in this thread have been directed at me.
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Masuma
05-31-2010, 09:49 PM
Uff taubah! Look in the above pictures of how our brothers and sisters are humiliated and injured mercilessly! :cry:
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aadil77
05-31-2010, 09:49 PM
filthy zionist sc um run the media

InshAllah they will burn in deepest parts of hell
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shuraimfan4lyf
05-31-2010, 09:50 PM
Are we talking about the whole Palestinian-Israeli conflict?? I am talking about these vessels, did they carry any guns and other weapons with them?
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Suomipoika
05-31-2010, 09:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf
Are we talking about the whole Palestinian-Israeli conflict?? I am talking about these vessels, did they carry any guns and other weapons with them?
I was talking about the definition of armed conflict at sea and actions prior to today, not these particular vessels. So far there is nothing to indicate that these ships had weapons being smuggled to Gaza.
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 09:56 PM
Can we protest the BBC and CNN?
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Masuma
05-31-2010, 10:00 PM
CNN has a blog. But no use to protest there. We will only be calling someone already so deaf!
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 10:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Suomipoika
Are you claiming there has never been a situation where weapons have been delivered to Gaza via sea during the conflict?
Gazans must have weapons to defend themselves. Israel has nuclear weapons, tanks, jet fighters, missiles, supplied by that other terrorist state, the Great Satan. What kind of mindset is this, are you totally out of your mind? So you want Israelis to be able to mistreat, humiliate and massacre defenseless Gazans? Gazans have the right to fight the occupiers and force them to eventually accept a Palestinian state. They only understand the language of force.
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Civilsed
05-31-2010, 10:01 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
Can we protest the BBC and CNN?
You can complain @ https://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/

Have complained before re: Gaza appeal, Dont expect too much
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marwen
05-31-2010, 10:01 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
Can we protest the BBC and CNN?
I never watch BBC and CNN. Every body knows how dishonest are they. Whatever information they are diffusing, it's sure not true news.
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Suomipoika
05-31-2010, 10:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
I wish I could get my hands on you and your likes.
Great, violence is the answer. Thats the reason there are these kind of problems.
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جوري
05-31-2010, 10:06 PM
ignore that crap bag sumo pls. perhaps he'll take a hint and buzz off..

anyhow, I was just out in NY when I witnessed two huge protests, one of the biggest turn outs one to free Gaza and it was beautiful even a few Hasidics joined that protest, then directly on the adjacent street and a block away from the U.N a huge turn out of Jews protesting the desecration of the graves of their 'sages' I was like what fresh hell is this? a deflection from what is going on with another sob story as usual and perfect comedic timing..

:w:
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cat eyes
05-31-2010, 10:10 PM
http://www.u.tv/News/Belfast-protest...8-36145fa1ef36:cry:
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 10:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by marwen
I never watch BBC and CNN. Every body knows how dishonest are they. Whatever information they are diffusing, it's sure not true news.
I don't watch either, but we must send thousands of mails protesting their disgusting bias. I believe that we must confront western imperialists with whatever means we have at our disposal.
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 10:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
ignore that crap bag sumo pls. perhaps he'll take a hint and buzz off..

anyhow, I was just out in NY when I witnessed two huge protests, one of the biggest turn outs one to free Gaza and it was beautiful even a few Hasidics joined that protest, then directly on the adjacent street and a block away from the U.N a huge turn out of Jews protesting the desecration of the graves of their 'sages' I was like what fresh hell is this? a deflection from what is going on with another sob story as usual and perfect comedic timing..

:w:
lol, they are really like devils...

:w:
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جوري
05-31-2010, 10:23 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
lol, they are really like devils...

:w:
It was clearly meant to deflect away from the other conflict but it didn't matter, the same journalist that took a pic of this took a pic of that.. we are yet to see which story will be the focus of the nightly news, but I was really quite surprised and pleased by how many non-Arab, non-Muslims in this protest .. sob7an Allah.. it shows that maybe people aren't as dumb as all that...

:w:
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 10:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Suomipoika
Great, violence is the answer. Thats the reason there are these kind of problems.
No, people like you are the problem, those who support the occupiers and killers. People like me are the solution, I support those who resist occupation, and I oppose all who side with the occupiers. If everybody had this attitude the violence would end. You are on the enemy side, understood? That's my very last reply to you.
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 10:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
It was clearly meant to deflect away from the other conflict but it didn't matter, the same journalist that took a pic of this took a pic of that.. we are yet to see which story will be the focus of the nightly news, but I was really quite surprised and pleased by how many non-Arab, non-Muslims in this protest .. sob7an Allah.. it shows that maybe people aren't as dumb as all that...

:w:
Support for Israel in U.S. at 63%, Near Record High:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126155/su...cord-high.aspx

:w:
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جوري
05-31-2010, 11:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
Support for Israel in U.S. at 63%, Near Record High:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/126155/su...cord-high.aspx

:w:
Maybe it is.. I don't know who they surveyed to derive these numbers, be that as it may and with or without public support, Allah swt sees all and when it is time for their demise then public opinion, stats and numbers won't matter much..

Pickthal 17:4] And We decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture: Ye verily will work corruption in the earth twice, and ye will become great tyrants.
[Pickthal 17:5] So when the time for the first of the two came, We roused against you slaves of Ours of great might who ravaged (your) country, and it was a threat performed.
[Pickthal 17:6] Then we gave you once again your turn against them, and We aided you with wealth and children and made you more in soldiery.
[Pickthal 17:7] (Saying): If ye do good, ye do good for your own souls, and if ye do evil, it is for them (in like manner). So, when the time for the second (of the judgments) came (We roused against you others of Our slaves) to ravage you, and to enter the Temple even as they entered it the first time, and to lay waste all that they conquered with an utter wasting.

[Pickthal 17:104] And We said unto the Children of Israel after him: Dwell in the land; but when the promise of the Hereafter cometh to pass We shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations.


[Pickthal 17:108] Saying: Glory to our Lord! Verily the promise of our Lord must be fulfilled.


when you have the divine promise, public opinion won't matter much.. in fact all that is needed for this change, isn't a change in american opinion, but change in the Muslim one..

and Allah swt knows best

:w:
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Argamemnon
05-31-2010, 11:02 PM
^^ if 37% of an entire population are righteous and well-informed, should we see this as a good thing?

oops, your answer came before i could post this, forget it :P

:w:
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Predator
05-31-2010, 11:04 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Suomipoika
Great, violence is the answer. Thats the reason there are these kind of problems.

You zionist lumps of poo are reason for these kind of problems and you should be sent back to the gas chambers as the solution to the problem
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جوري
05-31-2010, 11:04 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
^^ if 37% of an entire population are righteous and well-informed, should we see this as a good thing? Or am I being too pessimistic?
I am neutral about numbers, I don't think they make a difference.. I think the difference can only come from Muslims, like I said before, we need to become an empire as we once were, and then everything from there will unravel as Allah swt decreed, but Allah swt doesn't change a people until they change themselves..

:w:
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Supreme
05-31-2010, 11:42 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Airforce
You zionist lumps of poo are reason for these kind of problems and you should be sent back to the gas chambers as the solution to the problem
This is just about the most stupid thing I've ever read. And I've read Israel's justification for killing the aid workers/
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shuraimfan4lyf
06-01-2010, 12:08 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
This is just about the most stupid thing I've ever read. And I've read Israel's justification for killing the aid workers/
Oh yeah? What is the justification? killing people because they were protecting themselves from ugly monkeys who are just about to attack them?

Also, numbers dont matter, I dont care if 100% USA supports Israel, we should not look at numbers. I am sure more than 70% of the U.S. population is ignorant and biased. They dont have brains to reflect on what is really going on in the world. So its useless complaining to all these news agencies where most people hate Islam and Muslims. insha'Allah there will be a protest here in my town. I will try my best to attend.
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Muslim Woman
06-01-2010, 12:19 AM
Salaam/Peace



Israeli Butchery at Sea
An institutional failure of a morbid society

By Gilad Atzmon

Considering the fact that Israel stormed naval vessels sailing under Irish, Turkish and Greek flags. Both NATO members and EU countries must immediately cease their relationships with Israel and close their airspace to Israeli airplanes.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle25584.htm

===

Gaza Aid Convoy Attack:
A Horrendous Moment of Truth for US Policy

By Finian Cunningham

What the world has witnessed is an outrageous act of sea piracy bordering on an act of war that transgresses the diplomatic rights of 50 countries and the premeditated, cold-blooded murder of civilians.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle25581.htm


Must Watch Video Reports

Israel Navy troops opened fire on pro-Palestinian activists aboard a six-ship aid flotilla sailing for the Gaza Strip early Monday.


http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle25580.htm
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Maryan0
06-01-2010, 12:38 AM
I was watching a video of this on the BBC world news and in the subtitles their like the aid workers are attacking the israel soldiers with sticks but no subtitles for the sound of guns being fired in the background.
Israel is the most vile nation. I dont hate any country but I intensely dislike Israel and their bullying, brutality and tyranny.:raging:. Inshallah this is the beginning of the end for them.
Salam
*also the aid workers were still in international waters at the time of the attack.
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جوري
06-01-2010, 01:11 AM
I am sure they jumped off the ships to their planes and attacked them martial art style in defiance of gravity..
in order for you to subscribe to the amero/israeli crap you have to do away with any gray matter you might have in favor of moronity, like jumping upwards from ships, or having passports that defy all the laws of physics and probability etc. etc.
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Vito
06-01-2010, 01:12 AM
The sad thing about this is that they were going there to supply the people of Gaza some relief and aid, not with the intentions to fight or hurt anyone (like they are making it seem). The zionists used the excuse that this would benefit hamas which is why they are refusing to let any aid come through. That's a **** shame. I haven't heard much about this on the news channels down here but one thing I guarantee will happen is, once they get their story together, you know, the one where they claim self defense, it will be all over the news and the victims of this terrorist attack will be labeled as supporters of hamas or better yet, militants.
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جوري
06-01-2010, 01:34 AM
not sure why labels should matter much? what matters is that aid gets to those who need it, which is the entire population.. the IDF pigs won't rest until the ships turn away and then do some phony PR crap probably paid for by some gulf country and come out of it as they usually do.. May God Da mn them to jouhnam wa'bes almseer insha'Allah..
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Argamemnon
06-01-2010, 01:43 AM
I've just read that the Turkish government is planning to continue pounding the Israeli blockade with more flotillas and have them escorted by Turkish warships and fighter jets. I don't believe this of course, but couldn't big Muslim nations like Egypt, Turkey and Saudi Arabia do this together? Why not?
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Dagless
06-01-2010, 01:49 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
I've just read that the Turkish government is planning to continue pounding the Israeli blockade with more flotillas and have them escorted by Turkish warships and fighter jets. I don't believe this of course, but couldn't big Muslim nations like Egypt, Turkey and Saudi Arabia do this together? Why not?
When did Turkey get so much heart? If this is true then it is definitely a great way forward. I don't agree with them having military escorts but more countries should send ships. If Israel attack them, then send 10 more. They won't be able to keep the blockade in effect if this happens.
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Woodrow
06-01-2010, 01:53 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by piXie
What You Can Do About The Flotilla Attack


PLEASE TAKE ACTION BROTHERS AND SISTERS


Just 50 complaints can stop the BBC's biased reporting on the Israeli Army's attacks on the unarmed civilians in the Freedom Flotilla.

Throughout this entire week when the Flotilla has been getting closer to Gaza, despite the numerous threats by the Israelis, the mainstream media (except the Guardian) in this country have given it barely any air time at all.

Just three simple actions by you can ensure that the crimes being committed by Israel are reported accurately:

1. Call the BBC on 0370-010-0222 (then choose 'Option 1' and then 'Option 3') to ask why they are being biased in their report when it is clear that the Freedom Flotilla has unarmed civilians and that the Israeli Army is the aggressor. Please include the following in your complaint:

- Why do they not provide balanced coverage by giving peace activists equal air time to the Israeli spokesmen?

- Why do they fail to question Israeli claims when Israel has previously been proven to have lied about attacks on peace activists such as Tom Hurndall?

2. Write to your MP via www.writetothem.com demanding your MP condemn Israel for it's actions and call for sanctions against Israel.
3. Tell all your family and friends to do the same

There are also 2 demonstrations taking place in England today:

London - 2pm outside 10 Downing Street (nearest station is Westminster)

Manchester - 5pm outside BBC's office: New Broadcasting House, PO Box 27, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ

Some media outlets are trying to keep the story quiet - which just means we all have to work harder to let everyone know what is really happening.

Read more: http://www.mpacuk.org/story/310510/a...#ixzz0pWJmvOdS

http://www.mpacuk.org/story/310510/a...activists.html
Just bumping piXie's post back to where it can be seen. This is something we can all do
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Argamemnon
06-01-2010, 01:57 AM
Oh wait, Saudis and Hamas are enemies. Egyptians and Hamas too.. yawn.

We fully deserve this...
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جوري
06-01-2010, 01:59 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
Oh wait, Saudis and Hamas are enemies. Egyptians and Hamas too.. yawn.

We fully deserve this...
:( right you are.. nothing is keeping us but these kowtowing 'leaders' who represent no one and elected by no one!
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Argamemnon
06-01-2010, 02:06 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
:( right you are.. nothing is keeping us but these kowtowing 'leaders' who represent no one and elected by no one!
so true :( seriously, what could they do if we were truly united and send more ships together?? nothing.. will they declare war on 1,5 billion Muslims? We are much stronger than we think, the problem is that we aren't ruled by Muslim leaders. The number one duty of a Muslim is not salat by the way, the number one duty of a Muslim is to protect Muslim lands and people and honor!
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جوري
06-01-2010, 02:21 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
so true :( seriously, what could they do if we were truly united and send more ships together?? nothing.. will they declare war on 1,5 billion Muslims? We are much stronger than we think, the problem is that we aren't ruled by Muslim leaders. The number one duty of a Muslim is not salat by the way, the number one duty of a Muslim is to protect Muslim lands and people and honor!
well I suspect this will happen insha'Allah, except that those who govern us are kaffirs and in so love with their seats on their worldly thrones.. sob7an Allah, I was just listening to verses from suret at tawba the other day and posted it in the recitation section

..

[Pickthal 9:81] Those who were left behind rejoiced at sitting still behind the messenger of Allah, and were averse to striving with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way. And they said: Go not forth in the heat! Say: The fire of hell is more intense of heat, if they but understood.
[Pickthal 9:82] Then let them laugh a little: they will weep much, as the reward of what they used to earn.
[Pickthal 9:83] If Allah bring thee back (from the campaign) unto a party of them and they ask of thee leave to go out (to fight), then say unto them: Ye shall never more go out with me nor fight with me against a foe. Ye were content with sitting still the first time. So sit still, with the useless.
[Pickthal 9:84] And never pray for one of them who dieth, nor stand by his grave. Lo! they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger, and they died while they were evil-doers.
[Pickthal 9:85] Let not their wealth nor their children please thee! Allah purposeth only to punish them thereby in the world, and that their souls shall pass away while they are disbelievers.
[Pickthal 9:86] And when a surah is revealed (which saith): Believe in Allah and strive along with His messenger, the men of wealth among them still ask leave of thee and say: Suffer us to be with those who sit (at home).
[Pickthal 9:87] They are content that they should be with the useless and their hearts are sealed, so that they apprehend not.
[Pickthal 9:88] But the messenger and those who believe with him strive with their wealth and their lives. Such are they for whom are the good things. Such are they who are the successful.


Sometimes I wonder if these people pick the Quran up at all even if out of curiosity and take heed of those who preceded them and that which is inevitable upon each soul!

:w:
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Seeker1066
06-01-2010, 02:42 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf
Oh yeah? What is the justification? killing people because they were protecting themselves from ugly monkeys who are just about to attack them?

Also, numbers dont matter, I dont care if 100% USA supports Israel, we should not look at numbers. I am sure more than 70% of the U.S. population is ignorant and biased. They dont have brains to reflect on what is really going on in the world. So its useless complaining to all these news agencies where most people hate Islam and Muslims. insha'Allah there will be a protest here in my town. I will try my best to attend.
Don't worry it isn't near 100%. I know that for a fact as I sure as Heck don't support Israel and I'm an American.
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Zafran
06-01-2010, 02:42 AM
salaam

Go on turkey,about time they woke up - Pity that Isreal is getting away with murder.
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Seeker1066
06-01-2010, 02:45 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Suomipoika
Great, violence is the answer. Thats the reason there are these kind of problems.
As opposed to say stealing half a country by fiat. Than herding the said former owners into slums where you can occasionally shoot a few to remind them of their place. All the while illegally building housing in Palestinian land in dirrect violation of the UN....no reason there huh???
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Seeker1066
06-01-2010, 02:48 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
so true :( seriously, what could they do if we were truly united and send more ships together?? nothing.. will they declare war on 1,5 billion Muslims? We are much stronger than we think, the problem is that we aren't ruled by Muslim leaders. The number one duty of a Muslim is not salat by the way, the number one duty of a Muslim is to protect Muslim lands and people and honor!
A few more atrocities like this might just be what convinces Shia and Sunni to set aside differences and unite to defend all Muslims.
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Rabi Mansur
06-01-2010, 03:36 AM
It looks like Turkey is set to send another freedom flotilla to Gaza. Good for them. I wonder why Turkey has suddenly decided to have some compassion for Gaza.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/turkey-th...2.html?from=tn

In the meantime, what the hell is Obama's reaction?


:w:
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Vito
06-01-2010, 03:42 AM
Oh yea and just to add, I was watching an interview with a guy on pbs (forgot his name but he was some spokesperson for israel) and he was saying how they went on the ship with paintball guns but also had real guns as backup. He said this with a straight face.. I'll see if I can find the video.
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Woodrow
06-01-2010, 03:44 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by rabimansur
I
In the meantime, what the hell is Obama's reaction?


:w:
:sl:

It is Memorial day weekend here in the states. We probably wont hear from Obama until after he sobers up.
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shuraimfan4lyf
06-01-2010, 03:58 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by rabimansur
It looks like Turkey is set to send another freedom flotilla to Gaza. Good for them. I wonder why Turkey has suddenly decided to have some compassion for Gaza.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/turkey-th...2.html?from=tn

In the meantime, what the hell is Obama's reaction?


:w:
I have noticed that Turkey started to increase their support for Ghazza from the last war in January 2009. I have read many articles against Israel in Turkish newspapers online. Its good that atleast some country is standing up. Like I said earlier, Israel does not care about United States reaction or UN's appeal to stop these kind of behaviors. USA has been feeding this devil for too long, now the devil wont care about anyone. This zionist movement will be defeated by the Mujahideen of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. may Allah prepare an powerful enormous army and send them against these oppressors ya rabb.

Dont get any hopes up about Egypt, I am not surprised that they are quiet. Its not like their government cares about dying Muslims in their neighbor lands. After all, they are the one who is building walls so the people of Ghazza dont come through.
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Ramadhan
06-01-2010, 04:12 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
Gazans must have weapons to defend themselves. Israel has nuclear weapons, tanks, jet fighters, missiles, supplied by that other terrorist state, the Great Satan. What kind of mindset is this, are you totally out of your mind? So you want Israelis to be able to mistreat, humiliate and massacre defenseless Gazans? Gazans have the right to fight the occupiers and force them to eventually accept a Palestinian state. They only understand the language of force.
I would not bother entertain suomipoika as he clearly does not have a concept of justice.
No different than animals really.

Oh wait, even animals posses a resemblance to justice.
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Ramadhan
06-01-2010, 04:14 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Suomipoika
Great, violence is the answer. Thats the reason there are these kind of problems.
yeah, why don't you tell that to your zionist israeli friends?
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Ramadhan
06-01-2010, 04:24 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
This is just about the most stupid thing I've ever read. And I've read Israel's justification for killing the aid workers/
why is it stupid?

If england is attacked, occupied, and then you and your family are displaced subjected to daily humiliation from the occupying forces, and you live basically in the world's biggest prison and then having people delivering aid to you get murdered, would you not want gas chambers upon the occupiers?

have some perspective!
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Argamemnon
06-01-2010, 04:40 AM
Turkey: Future Gaza Aid Ships Will Have Military Escorts

Once Israel’s closest ally in the region, the Turkish government has reacted with fury at last night’s Gaza aid ship massacre, condemning it as ‘inhuman state terror.’

The attacked ship was Turkish in origin and at least two of the slain aid workers were Turkish citizens. Turkey says future aid ships will be dispatched with a military escort so as to prevent future Israeli attacks.

Turko-Israeli relations have been on the decline in recent months, including a staged photo-op by the Israeli Foreign Ministry designed to shame Turkey’s ambassador. Israel also reportedly arrested a Turkish citizen weeks ago for being a member of a humanitarian group involved with the aid ship.

Israeli officials have defended the killings as “self defense,” claiming the aid workers were secretly in league with al-Qaeda. A top Israeli investment house has also called for a divestment from Turkey to protest Turkey’s criticism of the massacre.

http://news.antiwar.com/2010/05/31/t...itary-escorts/
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Argamemnon
06-01-2010, 04:45 AM
Turkey threatens action; Israel on alert

New Delhi: Turkey has threatened Israel with unprecedented action after Israeli forces attacked an aid vessel, killing 10 peace activists headed to Gaza. Israel said 10 people died while those on the ship said at least 15 were killed.

A shocked world has responded with outrage. Turkey recalled its ambassador to Israel and warned of unprecedented and incalculable reprisals.

Two Turkish activists were reported to be among those killed in the flotilla. Ankara warned that further supply vessels will be sent to Gaza, escorted by the Turkish Navy, a development with unpredictable consequences.

Israel has sounded an alert throughout the country fearing rocket attacks by Hezbollah in Lebanon.

The Arab League has called an urgent meeting on Tuesday to decide on a common response. Egypt is under pressure to end the blockade of Gaza while Greece has cancelled a military exercise with Isreal.

The world is waiting for the response from Washington, how will President Obama react to the provocation from America's closest ally.


(With inputs from Agencies)

Source: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/turkey-th.../116743-2.html
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Argamemnon
06-01-2010, 05:01 AM
Turkish navy is much much stronger than Israel's by the way (not joking) :D Most people don't know that Turkey has an awesome indigenous defense industry. Now we need the Arab League to put pressure on the Egyptian government to stop their blockade of Gaza's land borders. What will Egypt do? It wouldn't be fair if other countries left Turkey alone.
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omar ibrahim
06-01-2010, 05:51 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
Oh wait, Saudis and Hamas are enemies. Egyptians and Hamas too.. yawn.

We fully deserve this...
noo brother trust me 95% of the saudis are with hamas even the government,but you know there are few hepocracy people who are big headed love this life more than any thing else

so they are trying to defame hamas in order to keep saudis calm,but there is no way for israil to be loved.

Egypt has a very good people there are many egyptian workers in saudi a ,believe me they also or the vast majority of them are with hamas but you the governer is ...

may Allah guide him
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omar ibrahim
06-01-2010, 06:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
why is it stupid?

If england is attacked, occupied, and then you and your family are displaced subjected to daily humiliation from the occupying forces, and you live basically in the world's biggest prison and then having people delivering aid to you get murdered, would you not want gas chambers upon the occupiers?

have some perspective!
Brother why are you wasting your time with this argument,you know what for fact Allah said in the meaning of it that jewish and christians will not be pleased with you until
you follow their religion ...

as i read the comments most of them are trying to find a way fir israil ,except for few few few ^^.

I am wondering if their was in news that muslims did so and so,ARE THEY GOING TO INVESTIGATE? the answer easely is no no no NO except for fewwww.

best wishes
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sister herb
06-01-2010, 07:08 AM
International campaign preparing new aid flotilla to Gaza

[ 31/05/2010 - 04:31 PM ]




LONDON, (PIC)-- Majed Al-Zeer, the director general of the Palestinian return center, has revealed that the international campaign to end the siege on Gaza has started preparing a new aid flotilla to Gaza Strip that would sail within six weeks.

Zeer said in a press release on Monday on the sidelines of a massive demonstration in London protesting the Israeli attack on the freedom Flotilla that left dozens killed and wounded that the protestors wanted the world to know what the Israelis had done against unarmed solidarity activists.

He added that contacts are underway with European governments over the incident, adding that the international alliance would continue to expose the Israeli aggression before the entire world.

Thousands of Palestinians, Muslims, and foreigners had gathered in front of the British government premises in London to protest the Israeli bloody attack on the flotilla ships at international waters.

Participants hoisted Palestinian flags and placards denouncing the Israeli aggression.

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/d...6zrFtnEkBvQ%3d
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sister herb
06-01-2010, 07:09 AM
:raging: We are coming again.
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Asiyah3
06-01-2010, 07:56 AM
:sl:
May Allah protect the believers and guide them to the best in both Worlds. Ameen.
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Güven
06-01-2010, 08:12 AM




even their own kind hate them, what else is there to say.
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shev
06-01-2010, 08:28 AM
Fulltext of Turkish FM Davutoğlu's speech in UN Security Council

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu addressed the United Nations Security Council on Monday. Below is the speeech delivered by Davutoğlu;

Mr. President,

I appear before you today as a result of a very sad and tragic occasion where one state member of this august house has committed a serious crime in total disregard of all the values we have vowed to uphold since the establishment of the United Nations system.

I am distraught by the fact that the Israeli Defense Forces stormed a multinational, civilian endeavor carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza in international waters, 72 nautical miles off the coast to be exact, killing and wounding many civilians. This action was uncalled for. Israeli actions constitute a grave breach of international law.

In simplest terms, this is tantamount to banditry and piracy. It is murder conducted by a state. It has no excuses, no justification whatsoever. A nation state that follows this path has lost its legitimacy as a respectful member of the international community.

The multinational civilian flotilla composed of a few ships and a total of around 600 people from 32 countries, carrying humanitarian aid to the impoverished Gaza was unlawfully ambushed early today. The sole aim of this civilian mission was to provide much needed relief to the children of occupied Gaza who have been under illegal and inhumane Israeli blockade for years. The ships were hardly a threat to the State of Israel or any other state for that matter. Humanitarian aid was on its way to children who have been stripped of their opportunities to live as children and enjoy all the basic amenities that your and our children take for granted. These children do not know where their next meal is coming from. They either have no shelter or live in extremely deprived conditions. They receive no education; they have no future where they can contribute to a peaceful and stable Palestine and region.

Mr. President,

The ships carry amenities and facilities such as playgrounds that would remind the children of their childhoods. They carry very basic needs like cancer medication and milk powder to enhance child growth and health in the absence of milk proper. The international community has been a witness to this humanitarian tragedy for years, failing to act. And today this is where we are. Today we have observed through live coverage an act of barbarism where provision of humanitarian aid has been punished through aggression in high seas, 72 miles from international waters.. Today many humanitarian aid workers go back in bodybags. And Israel has blood on its hands. This is not off the coast of Somalia or in the archipelagos of the Far East where piracy is still a phenomenon. This is the Mediterranean where such acts are not the norm. This is where we need common sense. This is where civilization has emerged and flourished and where the Abrahamic religions took root. These are religions that preach peace and teach us to extend our hands when others are in need.

The use of force was not only inappropriate, but also disproportionate. International law dictates that even in wartime, civilians are not to be attacked or harmed. The doctrine of self-defense does not in any way justify the actions taken by the Israeli forces. High-seas freedoms constitute one of the most basic rights under international law of the sea, including customary international law. Freedom of navigation is one of the oldest forms of international norms, dating back centuries. No vessel can be stopped or boarded without the consent of the captain or the flag state. The law permitting such action in exceptional cases is clearly stated. Furthermore, any suspected violation of law on the part of the vessel and its crew on the high seas does not absolve the intervening state of its duties and responsibilities under applicable international law. To treat humanitarian aid delivery as a hostile act and to treat the aid workers as combatants is a reflection of a dangerous state of mind, with detrimental effects to regional and global peace. Therefore, the Israeli actions cannot be deemed legal or legitimate. Any attempt to legitimize the attack is futile.

Mr. President,

This unacceptable action was perpetrated by those who in the past had taken advantage of ships carrying refugees and those escaping one of the worst tragedies of the last century. They should be more aware than most of the importance of humanitarian assistance, of the dangers and inhumanity of ghettos as the one we currently witness in occupied Gaza.

I am proud to be representing a nation that in the past has helped those in need and escaping extermination.

After the act of aggression, I have heard official statements claiming that the civilians on the ships were members of a radical Islamist group. It saddens me to see that officials of a state stoop so low as to lie and struggle to create pretexts that would legitimize their illegal actions. However, the flotilla consists of citizens of 32 countries. All of them civilians, representing many faiths; Christianity, Islam, Judaism and people from all creeds and backgrounds. It represents the conscience of the international community. It is a model of the United Nations. Therefore, this was an attack on the United Nations and its values. The international system has suffered a sharp blow and now it is our responsibility to rectify this and prove that common sense and respect to international law prevails. We must be able to show that use of force is not an option unless clearly stated in law. We must uphold our commitments and punish those who are in contradiction. The system must be set right. Otherwise the trust of the people in the system, in their leaders, in us will be demolished.

No state is above the law. Israel must be prepared to face the consequences and be held accountable for its crimes.

Under the conditions, any slim chance that existed regarding peace and stability in the region has suffered a serious setback. The processes in place have been suffocated by this one single act. It seems as if Israel has gone the extra mile in order to negate any positive developments and hopes for the future. They have become advocates of aggression and use of force.
In view of all these, today, I call on the people of Israel to express their dismay regarding this wrong doing. They must not allow another blatant action to once again present Israel as an aggressor. They must take steps to reinstate their status as a credible partner and responsible member of the international community.

Turkey would like to see that the Security Council strongly reacts and adopts a Presidential Statement today strongly condemning this Israeli act of aggression, demanding an urgent inquiry into the incident and calling for the punishment of all responsible authorities and persons. I call on this Council to step up and do what is expected of it.

We hereby expect for the following to be included in the decision.

- Israel must apologize to the international community and to the families of those who have been killed and wounded in the attack.
- An urgent inquiry must be undertaken.

- Appropriate international legal action must immediately be taken against the authorities responsible for and perpetrators of this aggression.

- A severe sense of disappointment and warning must be issued by the United Nations. Israel must be urged to abide by international law and basic human rights.

- The countries concerned must be allowed to retrieve their deceased and wounded immediately.

- The ships must be expressly released and allowed to deliver the humanitarian assistance to its destination.

- The families of the deceased, wounded, NGO’s and shipping companies concerned must be compensated to the full extent.

- The blockade of Gaza must be ended immediately and all humanitarian assistance must be allowed in.

- Gaza must be made an example by swiftly developing it, to make it a region of peace. The international community must be invited to contribute.

Mr. President,
This is a black day in the history of humanity where the distance between terrorists and states has been blurred. Anyone that stands in the way of reestablishing dignity and respect of the international world order will have to answer to the world public opinion.

It is incumbent upon us to show that all states are bound by international law and human values. Turkey is prepared to shoulder its responsibility in this regard. I am sure that this is our common goal.

In ending, I salute all humanitarian workers who endeavor to provide relief. They are the people in the front lines. I present my condolences to the families of those who gave their lives in this pursuit whatever their background, their religion or ethnicity. I share their grief.

According to our Abrahamic tradition and my belief, killing one human being is killing humanity as a whole. Yesterday humanity drowned in the international waters of the Mediterranean.

Thank you.



http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/ne...y-council.html
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Ramadhan
06-01-2010, 09:01 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Güven




even their own kind hate them, what else is there to say.
These guys seem to know that Israel and zionism only hasten the events towards the end of the world.
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ardianto
06-01-2010, 09:25 AM
Israelis jumped to Mavi Marmara not for check the cargo but for take over the ship and arrest the activists.

Watch this video. The first 27 seconds in this video was taken only few moments before Israeli raid.
http://video.tvone.co.id/arsip/view/...entara_israel/
Those activists started to wear life jackets because Israelis said they will shoot the ship.
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-01-2010, 09:57 AM
I must make a remark which is very important.

I think that we are being a bit played and we should consider that.

I mean - let us think about it logically.

Israel is stupid - but why would they attack an unarmed ship?

It violates any common sense. In other words it is against their
interests
. As wrong as these might be - it still violates their interests.

The only rational explanation is that there is a force which stand behind
Israel and seems to want war. In this case Israel is just a pawn in
this game.

We must for once think why Israel does the things she does - otherwise
we play to the hands of very dark forces.
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Ramadhan
06-01-2010, 10:21 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Ibn Yus
I must make a remark which is very important.

I think that we are being a bit played and we should consider that.

I mean - let us think about it logically.

Israel is stupid - but why would they attack an unarmed ship?
Most often the best explanation is the most simple one.

Why would Israel not attack unarmed ship?

After all, they have been attacking and killing unarmed Palestinians, women and children and all, for years, without any bad repercussions done to the them.

It violates any common sense. In other words it is against their
interests
. As wrong as these might be - it still violates their interests.
Their interests is to wipe out palestinians from their own land, re-establish the kingdom of david and re-build the third temple.


The only rational explanation is that there is a force which stand behind
Israel and seems to want war. In this case Israel is just a pawn in
this game.

We must for once think why Israel does the things she does - otherwise
we play to the hands of very dark forces.

Yeah, the dark forces are called "ZIONISTS".
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-01-2010, 10:25 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
Their interests is to wipe out palestinians from their own land, re-establish the kingdom of david and re-build the third temple.
As for what they want with regarding the Palestinians - I won't say that you are wrong.

But - regarding the second thing - the Israeli's do not want to reestablish the
kingdom of David and build the third temple.

In fact - it is the last thing they want. They hate this idea more than they hate Palestinians.
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Rabi Mansur
06-01-2010, 10:48 AM
I can't wait for some of these activists and others on board to be interviewed by the press. If the story isn't buried it may have an impact on American reaction.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/06...ran-activists/

I read somewhere that there were 9 Americans on board. Let's hear what they have to say. Maybe Obama will then pull his head out of the sand on this one.

:w:
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جوري
06-01-2010, 11:34 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
yeah, why don't you tell that to your zionist israeli friends?
:lol: can't believe you stop to assess the droppings of every turd that drops in akhi..
just ignore him, he seems to 'drop' in whenever the reputation of his nazi pals is marred by some naked event..
There is no time to entertain every dog that barks!

:w:
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sister herb
06-01-2010, 11:37 AM
A group of Arab and foreigner Hackers, Turkish, Algerian and Moroccan waged a massive attack against Zionist websites, many websites destroyed.

These attacks expressed the huge anger by Intentional world, Arabs and foreigners and show the real solidarity with the besieged people of Gaza.
Haaretz , the Zionist magazine mentioned that banners against Zionism and flags of Turkey and Palestine posted on the attacked websites.

These are the pictures and banners posted by Hackers :

















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Ummu Sufyaan
06-01-2010, 11:45 AM
what else is there to expect from stupid people. its not really all that surprising...i await the next time they hold the victim card.
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piXie
06-01-2010, 03:04 PM
Our posts on this thread have reached 15 pages, but more important than that, our complaints to BBC and letters to MP's should be reaching more than 10,000! Come on brothers and sisters, and all those who stand for Justice, lets fight for freedom flotilla and Palestine!


format_quote Originally Posted by piXie

What You Can Do About The Flotilla Attack


PLEASE TAKE ACTION BROTHERS AND SISTERS


Just 50 complaints can stop the BBC's biased reporting on the Israeli Army's attacks on the unarmed civilians in the Freedom Flotilla.

Throughout this entire week when the Flotilla has been getting closer to Gaza, despite the numerous threats by the Israelis, the mainstream media (except the Guardian) in this country have given it barely any air time at all.

Just three simple actions by you can ensure that the crimes being committed by Israel are reported accurately:

1. Call the BBC on 0370-010-0222 (then choose 'Option 1' and then 'Option 3') to ask why they are being biased in their report when it is clear that the Freedom Flotilla has unarmed civilians and that the Israeli Army is the aggressor. Please include the following in your complaint:

- Why do they not provide balanced coverage by giving peace activists equal air time to the Israeli spokesmen?

- Why do they fail to question Israeli claims when Israel has previously been proven to have lied about attacks on peace activists such as Tom Hurndall?

2. Write to your MP via www.writetothem.com demanding your MP condemn Israel for it's actions and call for sanctions against Israel.
3. Tell all your family and friends to do the same

There are also 2 demonstrations taking place in England today:

London - 2pm outside 10 Downing Street (nearest station is Westminster)

Manchester - 5pm outside BBC's office: New Broadcasting House, PO Box 27, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ

Some media outlets are trying to keep the story quiet - which just means we all have to work harder to let everyone know what is really happening.

Read more: http://www.mpacuk.org/story/310510/a...#ixzz0pWJmvOdS

http://www.mpacuk.org/story/310510/a...activists.html
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Güven
06-01-2010, 03:23 PM
Seems like Egypt opened the borders, finally.

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news...-95311269.html
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dostpost
06-01-2010, 03:43 PM
lonely country Turkey. He is lonely against to enemies of Islam AGAIN. But he will be protector of Islam AGAIN. Like in past be...
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shuraimfan4lyf
06-01-2010, 03:43 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Güven
Seems like Egypt opened the borders, finally.

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news...-95311269.html
Yeah I was just reading that..are they letting people from Ghazza in??
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shuraimfan4lyf
06-01-2010, 03:58 PM
The Israeli military has killed at least three Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, a day after Israeli commandos killed 20 activists aboard six aid ships in international waters.

Medics in Gaza announced that the Palestinians were killed in northern parts of the strip on Tuesday, AFP reported.

The head of Gaza emergency services, Muawiya Hassanein, said the bodies were taken to a morgue in Gaza City.

Earlier in the day, Israeli forces killed two other Palestinians in Khan Younis.

The Israeli aggression against Palestinians comes one day after a raid on the Freedom Flotilla in international waters of the Mediterranean Sea, some 150km (90 miles) off the coast of Gaza.

The bloody assault, carried out by Israeli naval commandos, left at least 20 people dead and dozens others wounded, provoking angry protests by governments, organizations and people across the world.

AGB/CS/MMN
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-01-2010, 04:09 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf
The Israeli military has killed at least three Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, a day after Israeli commandos killed 20 activists aboard six aid ships in international waters.

Medics in Gaza announced that the Palestinians were killed in northern parts of the strip on Tuesday, AFP reported.

The head of Gaza emergency services, Muawiya Hassanein, said the bodies were taken to a morgue in Gaza City.

Earlier in the day, Israeli forces killed two other Palestinians in Khan Younis.

The Israeli aggression against Palestinians comes one day after a raid on the Freedom Flotilla in international waters of the Mediterranean Sea, some 150km (90 miles) off the coast of Gaza.

The bloody assault, carried out by Israeli naval commandos, left at least 20 people dead and dozens others wounded, provoking angry protests by governments, organizations and people across the world.

AGB/CS/MMN
When WW1 began it happened because of a murder of some hungarian diplomat.

When nations find that it is time to go to war they just find something to pick up
in order to convince the people that it is needed.

We never seem to learn the way its done.

Learn the lesson and stop being so carried away over it - you are just being played.

Be mature adults and stop being manipulated. If you want to solve this problem -
stop writing in the Muslim forum - go writing in the Israeli forum. Don't send
letters to the UN - send letters to the Israeli government. The last time
I checked - they know how to read English and have an E-mail.

Here are a few links to you if you really want to act.

http://www.israelforum.com/

http://www.knesset.gov.il/mk/eng/mki...eng.asp?view=0

http://www.nad-plo.org/

http://www.sis.gov.ps/english/index.html

Be polite and present your point of view as worried individuals in a clear way. You have
an E-mail. Use it. Above all - do not ever give them reason to use your words against you -
therefore you should speak words of peace and pass proper criticism on their actions.

E-mail is the strongest weapon of the 21-century. Let's start using it.
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shuraimfan4lyf
06-01-2010, 04:16 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Ibn Yus
When WW1 began it happened because of a murder of some hungarian diplomat.

When nations find that it is time to go to war they just find something to pick up
in order to convince the people that it is needed.

We never seem to learn the way its done.

Learn the lesson and stop being so carried away over it - you are just being played.

Be mature adults and stop being manipulated. If you want to solve this problem -
stop writing in the Muslim forum - go writing in the Israeli forum. Don't send
letters to the UN - send letters to the Israeli government. The last time
I checked - they know how to read English and have an E-mail.

Here are a few links to you if you really want to act.

http://www.israelforum.com/

http://www.knesset.gov.il/mk/eng/mki...eng.asp?view=0

http://www.nad-plo.org/

http://www.sis.gov.ps/english/index.html

Be polite and present your point of view as worried individuals in a clear way. You have
an E-mail. Use it.

E-mail is the strongest weapon of the 21-century.
Dua is the strongest weapon. I dont know where it says in the Sunnah or Quran that e-Email will be the strongest weapon in 21st Century. So you want us to go in Israeli forums and speak to them? What makes you think that they will follow or agree with our statements when their minds are already made up against us. No one here is being immature, everyone is extremely sad about whats going on in the Muslim world.
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Gabriel Ibn Yus
06-01-2010, 04:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by shuraimfan4lyf
Dua is the strongest weapon. I dont know where it says in the Sunnah or Quran that e-Email will be the strongest weapon in 21st Century. So you want us to go in Israeli forums and speak to them? What makes you think that they will follow or agree with our statements when their minds are already made up against us. No one here is being immature, everyone is extremely sad about whats going on in the Muslim world.
Have you ever tried? Most of them are, after all, not religious - so why not trying to give them a chance to be Muslims?

Also I do not think that they would respond or be polite. I do not know at least. But it is worth trying to talk. By itself, if they would not answer - this would be worth while by itself because then you can send the following story to an arab media center saying "I have sent hundreds of peaceful letters to Israeli officials - and they have not answered".

They can say until tomorrow that the people on this ship attacked them - but nobody could justify why a peaceful letter to a government official should not be answered. This way we can elegantly show who the right and moral side is.

Aside from this, I did not mean to be hurtful and I am sorry if I came out this way. I am of course also sad by what I see and it came above all out of sadness.
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sister herb
06-01-2010, 07:18 PM
Strongest weapon has always been pencil. Dictators of the world afraid journalists and history teachers. They change the world.

:hiding:

Take pencil to your hand and use it with sense.
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aamirsaab
06-01-2010, 07:37 PM
Israel acting like the world's biggest douche?

Check!
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Architect_Amr
06-01-2010, 07:44 PM
My brothers, Turkey is waiting the responds of UN and USA or NATO.. But My country is have a little patience.. Our injureds are still in israel. And they locuk up approximitaley 600 Turk in Israel. The time is come closely.. Wait.. Wait and Prey for Turkey and Pelestine my brothers and sisters.. Time is so close.. Allah be with us inşaallah.. Prime Minister Erdoğan is very nervous like chief of stuff Başbuğ.

Follow the news
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shev
06-01-2010, 07:57 PM
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/ne...-inhumane.html
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جوري
06-01-2010, 08:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Architect_Amr
My brothers, Turkey is waiting the responds of UN and USA or NATO.. But My country is have a little patience.. Our injureds are still in israel. And they locuk up approximitaley 600 Turk in Israel. The time is come closely.. Wait.. Wait and Prey for Turkey and Pelestine my brothers and sisters.. Time is so close.. Allah be with us inşaallah.. Prime Minister Erdoğan is very nervous like chief of stuff Başbuğ.

Follow the news
:welcome: aboard.. we pray for the safe return of your fellow countrymen to their families and victory and restitution for our brothers and sisters in Palestine..

:w:
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Yusuf Saeed
06-01-2010, 08:11 PM
I came upon this on youtube, don't know if it's been posted on here before. It's just so powerful.
(Sorry for the background music, didn't find any version without it.)



(In English)
Palestine , My name is Palestine
I wrote my name at all fields
with a unique font greater than all titles
The letters of my name, the letters of my name, live inside me, feed me, spread the soul and fire inside my body
The mountains of the river, knows me well
I spent all my power and ask my nation help
And Saladin was calling, calling inside me

And my Arabic origin is asking me for freedom and revenge
And those flags which were folded at Hatiin (battle)
And the caller of Al Aqsa Masjid (mosque) is calling for help
And thousands of prisoners are calling for help
Calling the greater nation and calling for millions
Go to Al Quds(Jerusalem),
to a war where the oppressed are, to stop the injustice of the Zionism, and raise the flag of Palestine
My words will remain the same
Palestine, Palestine, Palestine
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Argamemnon
06-01-2010, 08:17 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by mustklc
lonely country Turkey. He is lonely against to enemies of Islam AGAIN. But he will be protector of Islam AGAIN. Like in past be...
Objectively speaking, Turkey is not much better than other treacherous Muslim governments such as Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc. We don't know what will happen when the secularists win the next elections.
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Supreme
06-01-2010, 09:40 PM
Eyewitness accounts from ships raided by Israeli commandos have cast doubt on Israel's version of events that led to the deaths of at least nine people.

German pro-Palestinian activist Norman Paech said he had only seen wooden sticks being brandished as troops abseiled on to the deck of the ship.

Israel says its soldiers were attacked with "knives, clubs and other weapons" and opened fire in self-defence.

The raid led to widespread condemnation and the UN has called for an inquiry.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday that Washington would support an Israeli investigation of the raid, but said it must be "prompt, impartial, credible and transparent", as called for by the UN.

Activist Norman Paech: "There were no knives, no axes and no pistols"

The six ships, carrying aid and campaigners, had sailed from Cyprus in a bid to break Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...t/10208027.stm

Interesting.
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M..x
06-01-2010, 09:43 PM
Innalillahi wa inna'ilaihi raji'un.
Heart and du'a goes out to Palastine. Insha'Allah one day you'll be set free. <3
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Argamemnon
06-01-2010, 10:33 PM
I've watched a Turkish tv program today and this former general said that Turkey should attack Israel one way or another. We are a powerful state, we could fire at their ship "by accident" for example. He said; "there are so many ways to punish them, but it's not up to me". He says the Turkish government made a "strategic blunder" to let the ship go totally unprotected, while Israel had clearly threatened to attack. "How can we allow another nation to attack a Turkish ship? "... I agree, unfortunately the government is to blame. The navy should have escorted the ship.

There was also an Arab writer from Qatar and he wanted Turkey to "take action". The host of the tv program asked him why Arabs don't "take action" themselves and expect Turkey to take all risks. He said, "because Arab countries are weak"... interesting discussion...

Personally, I don't believe that all Arab nations are weak, Egypt is a fairly powerful state for example. It seems more like an excuse to me..
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M..x
06-01-2010, 10:38 PM
I admire Turkey's input in this whole matter. The statements have been very powerful indeed. Funny thing is, some guy said that the guns they were holding were actually were actually paint-balling guns only. I wasn't aware paint balls could kill people. Idiot.
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IslamicRevival
06-01-2010, 10:46 PM
I'm elated at Turkey's stance on the whole situation BUT what's needed is for them to walk the walk, as talking is not going to solve anything. My fellow Turks, Hamas warriors, Iranians, Hezbollah, and Pakistanis, unite, get your armies ready and attack that racist, barbaric state and destroy it. That's what needs to happen, Sometimes you have got to fight fire with fire and its needed right now!
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Argamemnon
06-01-2010, 10:53 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Troubled Soul
I'm elated at Turkey's stance on the whole situation BUT what's needed is for them to walk the walk, as talking is not going to solve anything. My fellow Turks, Hamas warriors, Iranians, Hezbollah, and Pakistanis, unite, get your armies ready and attack that racist, barbaric state and destroy it. That's what needs to happen, Sometimes you have got to fight fire with fire and its needed right now!
What needs to happen first is this; Turkey and Egypt should go nuclear as soon as possible. Stop this empty talk of a "nuclear free Middle East"... we know Israel will always possess nuclear weapons. Who are they fooling? Turkey could very easily develop nuclear weapons if it wanted, this is no secret.
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جوري
06-01-2010, 10:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
What needs to happen first is this; Turkey and Egypt should go nuclear as soon as possible. Stop this empty talk of a "nuclear free Middle East"... we know Israel will always possess nuclear weapons. Who are they fooling? Turkey could very easily develop nuclear weapons if it wanted, this is no secret.
Just so you know, Egypt didn't open its gates for the benevolent reasons that you propose.. it is a disgusting move and I am sure the Israelis are behind it!
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IslamicRevival
06-01-2010, 11:01 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
What needs to happen first is this; Turkey and Egypt should go nuclear as soon as possible. Stop this empty talk of a "nuclear free Middle East"... we know Israel will always possess nuclear weapons. Who are they fooling? Turkey could very easily develop nuclear weapons if it wanted, this is no secret.
Egypt? What are they going to do with Nuclear weapons? We all know they are puppets of Israel and the US, so the last thing we want is Egypt to acquire Nuclear weapons as they'd probably cause more harm to the Palestinians

Nuclear weapons are of no real use anyway, Man power, Advanced weaponry, Tanks, Fighter jets, and state of the art Hand weapons etc etc are much more important if you want to win a war. Having said that, The ultimate weapon we have is Allah Subhanawata' Ala. :)

If Egypt need anything, they need to kick that satanic war criminal, tyrant Hosne Mubarak outta power and ELECT a genuine individual who cares about Humanity and not his bank balance!
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Argamemnon
06-01-2010, 11:02 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
Just so you know, Egypt didn't open its gates for the benevolent reasons that you propose.. it is a disgusting move and I am sure the Israelis are behind it!
Haven't they opened the Gaza border today? temporary of course..
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جوري
06-01-2010, 11:17 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
Haven't they opened the Gaza border today? temporary of course..
They opened it to save Israel not the Palestinians..
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Argamemnon
06-01-2010, 11:30 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
They opened it to save Israel not the Palestinians..
how naive of me, this never crossed my mind. i actually don't follow the news that closely..
but then, this is not about egypt, all muslim countries are the same..

:w:
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