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Life_Is_Short
06-03-2010, 04:47 PM
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Turkey is going to deploy a warship to escort next Gaza aid ship. [Fast forward to 4:30]



Israel will be seriously outnumbered by a formidable and modern armed forces of turkey. I hope they end Israel once and for all.
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Argamemnon
06-03-2010, 08:10 PM
they won't do anything, sad but true.
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
06-03-2010, 08:30 PM
hey,I dont hear anything :(
the other stuff i can hear on my comp, but this vid doesnt seem to have no sound for me:(
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AinEstonia
06-05-2010, 10:16 AM
Hopefully this won't escalate things, not so sure I would want there to be a war with a nation that has an estimate of 200 or so nuclear weapons. Hopefully things can be solved as quickly and as peacefully as possible. But I do have a feeling that every Israeli politician is thinking: "Oh ****, oh ****...we're totally screwed."
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InfiniteMercy
06-08-2010, 02:04 PM
I really admire Turkey for the position theyre taking...Turkey is the catalyst for creating a new regional and international coalition thats against Israel and it all it stands for..Turkey is forming alliances with Syria, Iran, Brazil and other countries thanks to its pro-active diplomacy, this means Turkey is gaining friends and Israel is battling to maintain its "friends" who feel betrayed...I just hope the EU can take strong steps against Israel, countries like Sweden and Spain have been very vocal in criticizing the flottila attack and the Gaza siege..If the EU decreases its economic ties with Israel, it have a major impact on Israel.
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questioner8
06-09-2010, 05:20 PM
Confession: Gaza flotilla participants PLANNED to attack Israel; wanted to martyr themselves for jihad

posted at 7:27 pm on June 1, 2010 by Cassy Fiano
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My Newsreal co-blogger David Swindle has a rather illuminating video up today. The video aired on Hamas TV the day before the confrontation at sea, and in it, a university lecturer states that the people on board were going to use resistance against the zionists, and wanted to become martyrs.

According to Palestinian Media Watch, the man in the video is Dr. Abd Al-Fatah Shayyeq Naaman, lecturer in Shari’ah law at a university in Yemen.
So several days before the Gaza flotilla incident occured, the flotilla commander was saying that he was planning on a confrontation and that they were seeking martyrdom. It seems an easy conclusion to reach that the people aboard the flotilla knew exactly what they were doing, were counting on their boat being boarded, that they wanted to provoke the IDF soldiers into violence, and that there was nothing humanitarian about their mission at all.
Considering the multiple videos the IDF released showing how their soldiers were ambushed, you’d think this would be an open-shut case. Once you add in the apparent premeditation of violence, how could anyone continue to blame Israel for this? (That’s a rhetorical question, by the way.)
The IDF’s account of what happen continues to hold. They thought they were going to be facing peace activists bringing humanitarian aid. It couldn’t have been further from reality, and they were ambushed as soon as they set foot on board. The soldiers did everything they could to avoid using lethal force, but were given no choice.
Of course, the left will do anything they can to demonize Israel, so they will ignore and manipulate the facts of the situation. (Don’t call them anti-Semitic, though!) The fact is this: Israel’s actions were perfectly justified. The Gaza blockade was in effect, the flotilla knew this, and was intent on running the blockade after being told to turn back. IDF soldiers boarded the ship, and we all know what happened. What were they supposed to do? Let the ship run the blockade without knowing if there were weapons on board that could be smuggled to Palestinians and then used to kill innocent Israeli civilians? (And of course, several caches of weapons were found on board.) Once faced with violence on board, should they have just stood there and let themselves be slaughtered? Apparently, these are the only two options for Israelis from the left: let people smuggle whatever they want into Palestine, a country filled with backwards, bloodthirsty, homicidal maniacs intent on eradicating all Jews from the planet, or when confronted with violence, choose not to fight even in their own self-defense. (Again, don’t call them anti-Semitic though! They love Israel!) Because Israel chooses to not allow themselves to be annihilated, they are always the bad guys in the eyes of the left, no matter what. This case is just another example of that.
It won’t matter to them that the commander of the Gaza flotilla said ahead of time that he was going to use violence against the IDF. It won’t matter to them that all of the deaths on board that flotilla were in self-defense. The narrative is already set. Anything to benefit Palestine is inherently good, because Palestinians are leftist-certified victims. Anything Israel does to prevent the destruction of their country is bad. It’s despicable, and every single person out there demonizing Israel for this incident should be ashamed of themselves.
Israel did exactly the right thing in this situation. Even the UN Security Council didn’t explicitly condemn Israel, as shocking as that is. It’s a sad statement of the culture in this country when a significant number of people in the United States sympathize more with terrorist organizations like Hezbollah than they do with Israel, the only functioning democracy in the Middle East.
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Life_Is_Short
06-09-2010, 09:09 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by questioner8
Confession: Gaza flotilla participants PLANNED to attack Israel; wanted to martyr themselves for jihad

posted at 7:27 pm on June 1, 2010 by Cassy Fiano
[ Israel ] printer-friendly


My Newsreal co-blogger David Swindle has a rather illuminating video up today. The video aired on Hamas TV the day before the confrontation at sea, and in it, a university lecturer states that the people on board were going to use resistance against the zionists, and wanted to become martyrs.

According to Palestinian Media Watch, the man in the video is Dr. Abd Al-Fatah Shayyeq Naaman, lecturer in Shari’ah law at a university in Yemen.
So several days before the Gaza flotilla incident occured, the flotilla commander was saying that he was planning on a confrontation and that they were seeking martyrdom. It seems an easy conclusion to reach that the people aboard the flotilla knew exactly what they were doing, were counting on their boat being boarded, that they wanted to provoke the IDF soldiers into violence, and that there was nothing humanitarian about their mission at all.
Considering the multiple videos the IDF released showing how their soldiers were ambushed, you’d think this would be an open-shut case. Once you add in the apparent premeditation of violence, how could anyone continue to blame Israel for this? (That’s a rhetorical question, by the way.)
The IDF’s account of what happen continues to hold. They thought they were going to be facing peace activists bringing humanitarian aid. It couldn’t have been further from reality, and they were ambushed as soon as they set foot on board. The soldiers did everything they could to avoid using lethal force, but were given no choice.
Of course, the left will do anything they can to demonize Israel, so they will ignore and manipulate the facts of the situation. (Don’t call them anti-Semitic, though!) The fact is this: Israel’s actions were perfectly justified. The Gaza blockade was in effect, the flotilla knew this, and was intent on running the blockade after being told to turn back. IDF soldiers boarded the ship, and we all know what happened. What were they supposed to do? Let the ship run the blockade without knowing if there were weapons on board that could be smuggled to Palestinians and then used to kill innocent Israeli civilians? (And of course, several caches of weapons were found on board.) Once faced with violence on board, should they have just stood there and let themselves be slaughtered? Apparently, these are the only two options for Israelis from the left: let people smuggle whatever they want into Palestine, a country filled with backwards, bloodthirsty, homicidal maniacs intent on eradicating all Jews from the planet, or when confronted with violence, choose not to fight even in their own self-defense. (Again, don’t call them anti-Semitic though! They love Israel!) Because Israel chooses to not allow themselves to be annihilated, they are always the bad guys in the eyes of the left, no matter what. This case is just another example of that.
It won’t matter to them that the commander of the Gaza flotilla said ahead of time that he was going to use violence against the IDF. It won’t matter to them that all of the deaths on board that flotilla were in self-defense. The narrative is already set. Anything to benefit Palestine is inherently good, because Palestinians are leftist-certified victims. Anything Israel does to prevent the destruction of their country is bad. It’s despicable, and every single person out there demonizing Israel for this incident should be ashamed of themselves.
Israel did exactly the right thing in this situation. Even the UN Security Council didn’t explicitly condemn Israel, as shocking as that is. It’s a sad statement of the culture in this country when a significant number of people in the United States sympathize more with terrorist organizations like Hezbollah than they do with Israel, the only functioning democracy in the Middle East.
Can you provide the source for this article?
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Pygoscelis
06-10-2010, 04:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by InfiniteMercy
I really admire Turkey for the position theyre taking...Turkey is the catalyst for creating a new regional and international coalition thats against Israel and it all it stands for..Turkey is forming alliances with Syria, Iran, Brazil and other countries thanks to its pro-active diplomacy, this means Turkey is gaining friends and Israel is battling to maintain its "friends" who feel betrayed...I just hope the EU can take strong steps against Israel, countries like Sweden and Spain have been very vocal in criticizing the flottila attack and the Gaza siege..If the EU decreases its economic ties with Israel, it have a major impact on Israel.
I believe that Turkey is in the unique position to speak to both sides of this conflict and possibly help resolve it. They have been very active in opposing Israeli misdeeds, western nation misdeeds AND muslim nation misdeeds. I think they may be the closest thing to a mutual ally to both east and west, a bit of a middleman.

BTW, is it true as he claims that if you don't want to deal with Israel you can get aid to the Palestinians through Egypt?
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Dagless
06-10-2010, 04:22 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Life_Is_Short
Can you provide the source for this article?
You don't need a source. The article is inaccurate. Even if by some miracle that was their objective, Israel still had no right boarding the ship, and non-lethal means could have been used. Also, the intention of provoking someone to kill you is not really martyrdom anyway (remember there were no real weapons on board).

- The blockade of Gaza is illegal.
- The ship was boarded in international waters.
- The soldiers boarded the ship from helicopter in the early hours of the morning (hardly the actions of someone expecting peace).
- They confiscated all camera's (why do that if you want to be open about what happened?).
- Recent news suggests that a few of the dead had multiple gunshots to the head (strange kind of injury for defence).
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questioner8
06-10-2010, 02:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Life_Is_Short
Can you provide the source for this article?
I am not currently allowed to post links due to the admin staff!

Perhaps admin will expalin why I am being censored in this way?
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questioner8
06-10-2010, 02:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
I believe that Turkey is in the unique position to speak to both sides of this conflict and possibly help resolve it. They have been very active in opposing Israeli misdeeds, western nation misdeeds AND muslim nation misdeeds. I think they may be the closest thing to a mutual ally to both east and west, a bit of a middleman.

BTW, is it true as he claims that if you don't want to deal with Israel you can get aid to the Palestinians through Egypt?
All they had to do, was comply with the instructions to go to Ashdod like the other ships did!
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Life_Is_Short
06-10-2010, 02:37 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by questioner8
I am not currently allowed to post links due to the admin staff!

Perhaps admin will expalin why I am being censored in this way?
Can you give me the name of the website and i'll find out for myself?
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Life_Is_Short
06-10-2010, 02:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Dagless
You don't need a source. The article is inaccurate. Even if by some miracle that was their objective, Israel still had no right boarding the ship, and non-lethal means could have been used. Also, the intention of provoking someone to kill you is not really martyrdom anyway (remember there were no real weapons on board).

- The blockade of Gaza is illegal.
- The ship was boarded in international waters.
- The soldiers boarded the ship from helicopter in the early hours of the morning (hardly the actions of someone expecting peace).
- They confiscated all camera's (why do that if you want to be open about what happened?).
- Recent news suggests that a few of the dead had multiple gunshots to the head (strange kind of injury for defence).
I know this is all nonesense. This is why i am asking for the source. I bet there won't be any ref to back up claims in this article.
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aadil77
06-10-2010, 02:53 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Dagless
You don't need a source. The article is inaccurate. Even if by some miracle that was their objective, Israel still had no right boarding the ship, and non-lethal means could have been used. Also, the intention of provoking someone to kill you is not really martyrdom anyway (remember there were no real weapons on board).
IDF are enemies of islam, if any muslim dies by protesting against them or fighting against them, it would be martyrdom. Some of the turkish brothers were looking for a fight and did want to become shaheed, theres nothing wrong with that as they were invaded and provoked first.

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Snowflake
06-10-2010, 03:07 PM
Not three cheers! Three takbeers bro! Allahu akbar Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar!


May Allah grant help to Turkey in their mission. InshaAllah this will start a chain reaction and other muslim countries will follow suit. Ameen Ameen!
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Dagless
06-10-2010, 03:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
IDF are enemies of islam, if any muslim dies by protesting against them or fighting against them, it would be martyrdom. Some of the turkish brothers were looking for a fight and did want to become shaheed, theres nothing wrong with that as they were invaded and provoked first.
The quote was:

format_quote Originally Posted by questioner8
So several days before the Gaza flotilla incident occured, the flotilla commander was saying that he was planning on a confrontation and that they were seeking martyrdom. It seems an easy conclusion to reach that the people aboard the flotilla knew exactly what they were doing, were counting on their boat being boarded, that they wanted to provoke the IDF soldiers into violence, and that there was nothing humanitarian about their mission at all.
This is saying that they were not on a humanitarian mission but out to provoke the IDF soldiers into killing them. In actual fact they only wanted to deliver aid and if they could have done so peacefully there would be no need for confrontation. The intention is to deliver aid, if they die doing it then they die as martyrs. If their intention is to get themselves killed and the aid is just an excuse (which is what the article suggests) then I don't know if you can call that martyrdom.
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aadil77
06-10-2010, 03:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Dagless
The quote was:



This is saying that they were not on a humanitarian mission but out to provoke the IDF soldiers into killing them. In actual fact they only wanted to deliver aid and if they could have done so peacefully there would be no need for confrontation. The intention is to deliver aid, if they die doing it then they die as martyrs. If their intention is to get themselves killed and the aid is just an excuse (which is what the article suggests) then I don't know if you can call that martyrdom.
LOL do you think non muslims on those boats would want to become shaheed? that was only one boat with turks on it, I doubt all those onboard had intentions to become shaheed and even if they did theres nothing wrong with that as long as they had the intention to fight IDF terrorist soldiers for the sake of Allah
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Dagless
06-10-2010, 03:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
LOL do you think non muslims on those boats would want to become shaheed?
I don't recall ever saying this.
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questioner8
06-10-2010, 03:50 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Life_Is_Short
Can you give me the name of the website and i'll find out for myself?
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questioner8
06-10-2010, 03:58 PM
Do a search for:

hamas commander in gaza flotilla
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Argamemnon
06-10-2010, 08:46 PM
Where are the mods?
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Trumble
06-10-2010, 09:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by questioner8
I am not currently allowed to post links due to the admin staff!

Perhaps admin will expalin why I am being censored in this way?
I think it's just because you don't have enough posts yet. As I recall you (and anyone else) need 50 before you can do a lot of stuff.
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questioner8
06-11-2010, 06:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
I think it's just because you don't have enough posts yet. As I recall you (and anyone else) need 50 before you can do a lot of stuff.
Well I have posed links before, now I can't?
And I am now being pre modded?
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