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aadil77
06-07-2010, 10:33 PM
KABUL, Afghanistan — Insurgents killed 10 NATO soldiers on Monday, seven of them Americans, military officials said. It was the worst single day for the foreign forces operating in Afghanistan in the past seven months.

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.The deaths came in five separate attacks in the south and east of the country, according to statements from the International Security Assistance Force, as the NATO force in Afghanistan is known.

In addition, a civilian American security guard was killed Monday, along with another guard whose nationality was not immediately clear, in a suicide attack on the police training center in the southern city of Kandahar.

Five of the American soldiers were killed by a homemade bomb, known as a improvised explosive device or I.E.D., in eastern Afghanistan, a spokesman for the American military, Lt. Col. Joseph T. Breasseale, confirmed. Two other American soldiers were killed by an I.E.D. in southern Afghanistan, he said.

In addition, statements released by ISAF said two NATO soldiers were killed in separate attacks in southern Afghanistan, one by small arms fire and another by an I.E.D., while a third NATO soldier was killed in eastern Afghanistan by small arms fire. In keeping with its standard practice, ISAF did not immediately disclose the nationalities of those soldiers, but they were not American. All names were withheld pending notification of next of kin.

In the attack on the Kandahar police training center Monday, three suicide bombers struck the gate of the center, one driving a car bomb and the other two apparently with explosive vests, according to a statement by the Afghan Ministry of Interior. The only damage they did was to the outer wall of the center’s compound, the statement said.

A subsequent statement from the American embassy said two civilians had been killed in that an attack, one of them an American citizen. News reports said the two victims were both employees of an American security company guarding the facility.

The day before, on Sunday, five NATO soldiers lost their lives, including three who were killed in a vehicle accident, one who was killed by an I.E.D. in southern Afghanistan, and another who was killed by an “insurgent attack” in eastern Afghanistan, according to statements from ISAF.

The previous worst day for NATO troops was last Oct. 26, when 11 Americans died, according to icasualties.org, an independent group that tracks soldier deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq. Those deaths were all from helicopter crashes. On that day, seven U.S. Army soldiers were killed in a helicopter crash in northern Afghanistan and four Marines were killed when two helicopters crashed into one another in Helmand Province in the south.

Through June 6, a total of 1,812 NATO soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan since the American-led invasion that ousted the Taliban from power in 2001, 1,020 of them Americans, according to icasualties.org’s figures. This year, NATO has lost 245 soldiers in Afghanistan, 153 of them Americans, as of June 6. In Iraq, 150 American soldiers died in 2009, and 32 so far this year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/08/wo...a/08kabul.html

Bad day for invading terrorists, the 'civilians' they claim were killed are actually pmc terrorists - usually blackwater
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Argamemnon
06-11-2010, 01:03 AM
Alhamdulillah, may Muslims prevail over the barbaric kafir enemies.
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Blackpool
06-11-2010, 02:38 AM
God bless British and American troops. They have the utmost respect here in Britain. Forget Batman, forget Superman... the true Super heroes are the troops! I live in a town full of British troops as it's close to Weeton Camp. They have the utmost respect of the town and the girls go crazy over them.
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Ramadhan
06-11-2010, 04:42 AM
Alhamdulillah! This is good news... more enemies of muslims dead!!
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جوري
06-11-2010, 06:05 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
Alhamdulillah! This is good news... more enemies of muslims dead!!
ameen ya rabb.. may Allah swt blast these kaffirs straight into hell where they rot for all eternity and take more and more of them in a heinous and humiliating manner, may they suffer a thousand times worse than they make others suffer, may their children and their spouses feel the loss a thousand times worse than they have inflicted on the Muslims and their families may they lose all hope of solidarity or ever lasting peace in the life to come and may they be reunited with their loved ones in jouhnama wa'bes almseer may Allah swt rid the Muslim world of them completely and restore the glory of our former empires better than ever was on khilafah rashida..

ameen ya rabb, thouma ameen

:w:
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Lynx
06-11-2010, 06:31 AM
may their children and their spouses feel the loss a thousand times worse than they have inflicted on the Muslims and their families may they lose all hope of solidarity or ever lasting peace in the life to come and may they be reunited with their loved ones in jouhnama wa'bes almseer may Allah swt rid the Muslim world of them completely and restore the glory of our former empires better than ever was on khilafah rashida..
Even the little children? the ones that are born Muslim? Gosh golly muslims bad praying other muslims. sign of the times i tell ya.
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Trumble
06-11-2010, 06:49 AM
I find it staggering that otherwise intelligent people can get so caught up in some sort of pseudo-tribal bloodlust they cannot grasp that the vast majority of casualties on BOTH sides of this war are muslims.

The only good news will come when peace comes, with each Afghan able to live in freedom as they choose, not how somebody else chooses whether claiming God's authority or not.
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جوري
06-11-2010, 06:55 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx
Gosh golly muslims bad praying other muslims.
what the hell does this mean?

there doesn't seem to be much 'childhood' or 'innocence' for children of war mongers!



indeed I wish upon a loss worse than they have afflicted others with!

the least one can do is offer their supplication!

all the best
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Ramadhan
06-11-2010, 09:42 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
The only good news will come when peace comes, with each Afghan able to live in freedom as they choose, not how somebody else chooses whether claiming God's authority or not.
Totally agree.

Now tell your government to get the hell out of Afghanistan.
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Blackpool
06-11-2010, 09:56 AM
David Cameron has told British soldiers he is "incredibly proud" of their work in Afghanistan - and given them a personal message from England boss Fabio Capello.



Speaking a day after a trip to visit frontline troops was scrapped amid fears the Taliban were planning to down his helicopter, the Prime Minister told them progress was being made in the country.

"Big progress is being made here," he said to soldiers at Camp Bastian in Helmand province. "You can see it in the training of the Afghan army."

He added: "I can sum up this mission in two words - national security, our national
security back in the UK.

"We don't have some dreamy ideas about what this mission is about, it is about that pure and simple."

The Prime Minister drew cheers from his audience when he told them their operational allowance was being doubled.



And no doubt morale was raised with a message from Capello.

"It's important you know how much all your effort means to the England players," Mr Capello's message said.

"We want you to know that you are the real heroes."

Mr Cameron spent the night in Camp Bastian on the latest leg of his maiden trip to the country as Prime Minister.

He was forced to change his plans yesterday amid intelligence reports that his helicopter was being targeted by the Taliban.

Mr Cameron arrived in Helmand after pledging a "political surge" in Afghanistan to get British troops home as soon as possible.

He announced additional funding and labelled 2010 "the vital year" to make progress in stabilising the country.

Sky News political correspondent Niall Paterson in Afghanistan said the Prime Minister was keen to strengthen communication lines.

"I think (Mr Cameron) recognises the fact that for quite some time, the British public have been confused as to exactly what has been happening here on the ground," he said.

Mr Cameron confirmed an extra £67m will be spent on helping troops tackle roadside bombs, while doubling the size of their teams on the ground.

The money will also pay for new vehicles including seven Mastiff armoured patrol vehicles.

Additional aid will assist the build-up of the Afghan army, police and civil service, he announced.

England footballer Steven Gerrard revealed British troops in Aghanistan had sent the squad in South Africa a good luck message on a DVD ahead of the World Cup.

He said the players had found the footage "very inspiring and very touching".



http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...ops_In_Helmand
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Trumble
06-11-2010, 10:24 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar
Now tell your government to get the hell out of Afghanistan.
Now tell the Taliban to stop blowing up weddings, executing seven year olds, and inflicting their presence on the multitude of tribal communities in both Afghanistan and Pakistan that want absolutely nothing to do with them.

I don't think either would listen unilaterally, do you? There is only a chance of peace if both listen to the people.
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aadil77
06-11-2010, 10:37 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
Now tell the Taliban to stop blowing up weddings, executing seven year olds, and inflicting their presence on the multitude of tribal communities in both Afghanistan and Pakistan that want absolutely nothing to do with them.

I don't think either would listen unilaterally, do you? There is only a chance of peace if both listen to the people.
FAIL, FAIL, FAIL you sickening liers


Theunjustmedia contacted the official spokesmen of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan Zabihullah Mujahid, to clarify two news which are circulating in the mainstream media. The first news, Wednesday, explosion at a wedding ceremony in Arghandab district of Kandahar province, and the second news, about executing of a 7 years old boy in Sangin district of Helmand province.

Theunjustmdia: Wednesday, a powerful explosion took place at a wedding ceremony in Nangahaan area in Arghandab district of Kandahar province, in which 45 people including women and children were martyred and 78 were wounded, can you please provide some information to what really happened and who is behind this.

Zabihullah Mujahid: The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan Mujahideen in the region have conducted an investigation, which has revealed that this crime was committed by the invaders. The Mujahideen spoke to some of the survivals who were attending the wedding ceremony at the time it was attacked by the invaders. The survivals have mentioned that just before the bombing took place they heard spy planes hovering over the area, and soon after they heard a loud explosion, and then there was panic, there were dead and injured bodies every were. This cowardly act of the invaders will not deter the freedom loving Afghan's from their struggled to liberate their country from the invading forces.

Theunjustmdia: Dawoud Ahmadi the puppet provincial governor's spokesman is claiming that the Mujahideen have executed a 7-year-old boy in southern Afghanistan after accusing him of spying for the invaders and puppet government forces in the region.

Zabihullah Mujahid: This propaganda news illustrates the desperation of the invaders and their puppets, the assertion that the Mujahideen would execute a 7-year-old boy is ridiculous. The Mujahideen have too much honor to be committing such a cowardly act. The purpose of propagating this type of propaganda news is to defame the Mujahideen and to create animosity in the general public for the Mujahideen.
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aadil77
06-11-2010, 10:40 AM
This is not the first time your terrorist forces have done this, cowardly sob's

US air strike wiped out Afghan wedding party, inquiry finds (20)Tweet this (2)James Sturcke and agencies guardian.co.uk, Friday 11 July 2008 14.47 BST Article history
An injured Afghan boy is put on a stretcher at a hospital in Jalalabad city, Afghanistan. Photograph: Nesar Ahmad

A US air strike killed 47 civilians, including 39 women and children, as they were travelling to a wedding in Afghanistan, an official inquiry found today. The bride was among the dead.
Another nine people were wounded in Sunday's attack, the head of the Afghan government investigation, Burhanullah Shinwari, said.Fighter aircraft attacked a group of militants near the village of Kacu in the eastern Nuristan province, but one missile went off course and hit the wedding party, said the provincial police chief spokesman, Ghafor Khan.

The US military initially denied any civilians had been killed.

Lieutenant Rumi Nielson-Green, a spokeswoman for the US-led coalition, told AFP today the military regretted the loss of any civilian life and was investigating the incident.

The US is facing similar charges over strikes two days earlier in another border area of Afghanistan.

The nine-member inquiry team appointed by the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, to look into the wedding party incident found only civilians had been killed in the attack.

"We found that 47 civilians, mostly women and children, were killed in the air strikes and another nine were wounded," said Shinwari, who is also the deputy speaker of Afghanistan's senate.

"They were all civilians and had no links with the Taliban or al-Qaida."

Around 10 people were missing and believed to be still under rubble, he said. The inquiry team were shown the bloodied clothes of women and children in a visit to the scene.

The Red Cross said 250 people had been killed or wounded in five days of military action and militant attacks in the past week.

The toll included the US-led air strikes and a suicide blast outside the Indian embassy in Kabul on Monday that killed more than 40 people, including two Indian envoys.

The UN said last month that nearly 700 Afghan civilians had lost their lives this year - about two-thirds in militant attacks and about 255 in military operations.

Karzai has pleaded repeatedly for western troops to take care not to harm civilians, and in December wept during a speech lamenting civilian deaths at the hands of foreign forces.
MAY THE KAFFIR TERRORISTS ROT IN HELL
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Supreme
06-11-2010, 11:13 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
Now tell the Taliban to stop blowing up weddings, executing seven year olds, and inflicting their presence on the multitude of tribal communities in both Afghanistan and Pakistan that want absolutely nothing to do with them.

I don't think either would listen unilaterally, do you? There is only a chance of peace if both listen to the people.
Pretty much agree. And with your earlier post. 10 NATO troops killed hardly equates to the thousands of Taliban killed since the invasion, not to mention the thousands of innocent Afghans who just want the Taliban and NATO to GTFO of their country. Afghanistan has been in a permanent state of conflict ever since the Soviet invasion, and unfortunately, it's set to continue... it's difficult. If NATO troops left tomorrow, no doubt the Taliban and government forces would engage in a crippling civil war, with civilians caught in the crossfire. There's no clear solution for peace.
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aadil77
06-11-2010, 11:19 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Pretty much agree. And with your earlier post. 10 NATO troops killed hardly equates to the thousands of Taliban killed since the invasion, not to mention the thousands of innocent Afghans who just want the Taliban and NATO to GTFO of their country. Afghanistan has been in a permanent state of conflict ever since the Soviet invasion, and unfortunately, it's set to continue... it's difficult. If NATO troops left tomorrow, no doubt the Taliban and government forces would engage in a crippling civil war, with civilians caught in the crossfire. There's no clear solution for peace.
by that logic the taliban should be finished by now, seems the 'innocent Afghans' keep sending their boys to defend afghanistan, or are they all foreigners?

There was peace when taliban was running the place according to islam, they had finished off soviet supported militias and everything was going alright until.....
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
06-11-2010, 11:37 AM
Oh my my my my my :-\ @ some of ze Commentz
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Supreme
06-11-2010, 11:53 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
by that logic the taliban should be finished by now, seems the 'innocent Afghans' keep sending their boys to defend afghanistan, or are they all foreigners?

There was peace when taliban was running the place according to islam, they had finished off soviet supported militias and everything was going alright until.....
I'm not sure whether you're joking in a lot of your posts, or simply don't have a clue... there was never peace under the Taliban- heck, the Taliban only ever managed to control 70% of Afghanistan. The civil war fought between the Taliban and Northern Alliance pre-2001 will be worsened thanks to the new Afghan army installed by NATO. Casualties on the Taliban and civilian side of a civil war would be devestating.
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Ummu Sufyaan
06-11-2010, 01:06 PM
This is not the first time your terrorist forces have done this, cowardly sob's
just ignore these wimps akhee. report the news and dont get yourself worked up and spend your time on these useless disputes. they have proven nothing. what do the dead of the kuffar get? a name engrave in a war memorial that will perish when this world perishes if not sooner? (wow, the heroism and rank is sky rocketing) now tell me what their counterpart will receive?

who is in the better position? one who fights for the dunya, or one who fights for the aakirah? who cares about their so called strength and army. what they can do, we will and have done better.

these are merely newspaper articles. no-on really sees what happens. get emotional about this, but make sure your emotion is directed towards the more beneficial channel.

sufficient is allah for us.
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جوري
06-11-2010, 01:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Ummu Sufyaan
(wow, the heroism and rank is sky rocketing) now tell me what their counterpart will receive?
You don't fit brainless twits in polyester suits and carpet bombs posing for pictures as the only 'heroic measure' just adorable? I find them particularly amusing and all animal like in their element when they crap their pants the minute they are captured.. They don't have enough pride to die with honor, so they cry like school girls and plead before having their heads are chopped off!

and may Allah swt yizeedhoum khosara in this life and the hereafter

ameen
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Zafran
06-11-2010, 03:24 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Pretty much agree. And with your earlier post. 10 NATO troops killed hardly equates to the thousands of Taliban killed since the invasion, not to mention the thousands of innocent Afghans who just want the Taliban and NATO to GTFO of their country. Afghanistan has been in a permanent state of conflict ever since the Soviet invasion, and unfortunately, it's set to continue... it's difficult. If NATO troops left tomorrow, no doubt the Taliban and government forces would engage in a crippling civil war, with civilians caught in the crossfire. There's no clear solution for peace.
You have to give it to Nato of doing a terrible Job of making Afghanistan a better a place. Who the hell is actually supporting this war in the NATO countries??? Whos telling them to continue?
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Supreme
06-11-2010, 03:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran
You have to give it to Nato of doing a terrible Job of making Afghanistan a better a place. Who the hell is actually supporting this war in the NATO countries??? Whos telling them to continue?
Lots of people support the war. Lots of people don't support the war. Lots of people don't care enough to decide either way. And those last group of people are most likely in the majority.

And it's the governments telling them to continue. NATO is fantastic alliance, in that it has so many members, and an attack on one member is an attack on all members. Thus, every country in the Alliance became involved. And I do think it's this 'peer pressure' and loyalty the governments feel towards one another that is forcing them to kepp their troops in Afghanistan.
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Dagless
06-11-2010, 04:06 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
The only good news will come when peace comes, with each Afghan able to live in freedom as they choose, not how somebody else chooses whether claiming God's authority or not.
This has nothing to do with peace or freedom.

format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
Now tell the Taliban to stop blowing up weddings, executing seven year olds, and inflicting their presence on the multitude of tribal communities in both Afghanistan and Pakistan that want absolutely nothing to do with them.
Yeah right, because THAT'S the reason there are troops in Afghanistan. It has nothing to do with anything. The US would support the daily blowing up of 10 weddings and a hundred child executions if it was in their interest. They have supported far sicker crimes in the past (and still do).

format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
NATO is fantastic alliance, in that it has so many members, and an attack on one member is an attack on all members. Thus, every country in the Alliance became involved. And I do think it's this 'peer pressure' and loyalty the governments feel towards one another that is forcing them to kepp their troops in Afghanistan.
They do what the US tell them to do.

format_quote Originally Posted by мυѕℓιмαн 4 ℓιfє
Oh my my my my my :-\ @ some of ze Commentz
Completely agree. Had to double check which forum I was on.
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Ramadhan
06-11-2010, 06:02 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
Now tell the Taliban to stop blowing up weddings, executing seven year olds, and inflicting their presence on the multitude of tribal communities in both Afghanistan and Pakistan that want absolutely nothing to do with them.

I don't think either would listen unilaterally, do you? There is only a chance of peace if both listen to the people.
uh.
And all this time I thought the occupying forces of USA and its minions are democratic governments who are supposed to listen to its people?
Apparently it's all facade and charade, eh?

anyway, the talibans are fighting the war against the invaders, who am I to tell them to stop fighting.
In fact, I am praying they kill as many invaders as possible.
Only when thousands more bodybags flying back home will the invaders pull out from the country, just like what happened in Vietnam.
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Argamemnon
06-11-2010, 09:35 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Blackpool
God bless British and American troops. They have the utmost respect here in Britain. Forget Batman, forget Superman... the true Super heroes are the troops! I live in a town full of British troops as it's close to Weeton Camp. They have the utmost respect of the town and the girls go crazy over them.
Bismillahirrahmanirrahim (In the Name of Allah, The Most Beneficent and The Most Merciful)

This is what immediately came to my mind when I saw your reply

Surah 2:11

"When it is said to them: 'Make not mischief on the earth,' they say: 'Why, we only Want to make peace!'"
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Ğħαrєєвαħ
06-11-2010, 09:45 PM
^Subhaan`Allaah!
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Argamemnon
06-11-2010, 09:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
Now tell the Taliban to stop blowing up weddings, executing seven year olds, and inflicting their presence on the multitude of tribal communities in both Afghanistan and Pakistan that want absolutely nothing to do with them.

I don't think either would listen unilaterally, do you? There is only a chance of peace if both listen to the people.
Ever heard of False Flag Operations which western intelligence services carry out regularly?
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Argamemnon
06-11-2010, 10:08 PM
Western Governments admit Carrying out "False Flag" Terror

Forget the claims and allegations that false flag terror - governments attacking people and then blaming others in order to create animosity towards those blamed - has been used throughout history.

This essay will solely discuss government admissions to the use of false flag terror.

For example:

The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950's to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected president
Israel admits that an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind "evidence" implicating the Arabs as the culprits (one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to identify the bombers, and several of the Israelis later confessed) (and see this and this)
The well-respected former Indonesian president admits that the government probably had a role in the Bali bombings
The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence admit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and blamed the communists, in order to rally people’s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism. As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: "You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security" (and see this)(Italy joined NATO in 1949, years before the bombings occurred)
As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in the 1960's, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news report; the official documents; and watch this interview with the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC's World News Tonight with Peter Jennings*
There are many other instances of false flag attacks used throughout history proven by the historical evidence. See this, this and this. The above are only some examples of governments admitting to using false flag terror.


You can't call it a conspiracy theory when the government itself admits it.

And this is not just ancient history:

Jimmy Carter's former National Security Adviser - Zbigniew Brzezinski - told the Senate that a terrorist act might be carried out in the U.S. and falsely blamed on Iran to justify war against that nation

A retired 27-year CIA analyst who prepared and presented Presidential Daily Briefs and served as a high-level analyst for several presidents, would not put it past the government to "play fast and loose" with terror alerts and warnings and even events themselves in order to rally people behind the flag

* Note: While the Joint Chiefs of Staff pushed for Operation Northwoods to be carried out, cooler heads prevailed; President Kennedy or his Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara apparently vetoed the plan.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=17663
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Argamemnon
06-11-2010, 10:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Lots of people support the war. Lots of people don't support the war. Lots of people don't care enough to decide either way. And those last group of people are most likely in the majority.

And it's the governments telling them to continue. NATO is fantastic alliance, in that it has so many members, and an attack on one member is an attack on all members. Thus, every country in the Alliance became involved. And I do think it's this 'peer pressure' and loyalty the governments feel towards one another that is forcing them to kepp their troops in Afghanistan.
Supreme, I think you are a sincere person, but with all due respect rather ill-informed or naive (no offense).

Please read this...

NATO: A Tool Of U.S. Imperialism

By Ghali Hassan

25 August, 2008
Countercurrents.org


The U.S.-controlled North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) has lost its purpose to continue as a defence alliance. However, its aggressive expansion is endangering world peace and the survival of the planet.

Despite its irrelevant role, NATO has become part of the U.S. military. Instead of dismantling the once defence alliance, the U.S. pushed to enlarge NATO and expand its boundaries. The U.S. has lured most European nations, including former Warsaw Pact members, the so-called “New Europe”, to join its military. Poland, Hungry and the Czech Republic joined in 1999; Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuanian, Estonia, Slovakia and Romania in 2004, others are waiting in line. Becoming a NATO member proves to be a profit bonanza for U.S.-Israeli weapon industries and arm dealers. All new recruits into NATO are obliged to increase their “defence” budgets to modernise and enlarge their military arsenals at the expense of vital public services.

It is important to bear in mind that the U.S.-NATO demands for expansion have met with opposition from Russia, China – with a legitimate concern against unprovoked threat – and nations such as Germany, the Netherlands and France. Almost all new mini-dictators supported the illegal U.S. aggression against the Iraqi people. They are in complete complicity in the war crimes committed by the regime of George Bush despite overwhelming majority of their citizens’ opposition to U.S. aggression. From the criminal U.S. aggression against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia to the ongoing murderous occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq, the new European armies have become U.S. foot soldiers serving U.S. imperialist interests.

Engineering and using crisis in Europe and elsewhere, the U.S. cancelled the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM) in order to locate ABMs and to lure more nations to sign up for the system, including Australia, South Korea and Japan. Under the fraudulent pretext of defence against “rogue” states, the U.S. has just signed a “deal” with Poland to station on Polish soil U.S. “interceptor missiles”. The provocative deal is seen by Russians as a dangerous opportunity for the U.S. to expand its military presence and threat across the world. Poland hailed the deal as a counter to Russian “threat”. Of course Poland is fully aware that the missiles are against Russia not Iran, as the U.S. continues to mislead the public. After Poland, the U.S. is planning to build a twin anti-missile radar system in the Czech Republic. Many Poles as well as Czechs are against the deals and rightly believe their countries are becoming vassal states of a dangerous U.S. militarism.

Since the end of the so-called “Cold War”, the U.S. aim has always been a quest for imperialist domination of the globe through U.S. militarism, including the establishment of U.S. military bases in strategic areas of the world. The U.S. policy of destabilising Russia and undermining Russia’s integration with Europe is aimed at controlling Eurasia’s natural resources . The events of 9/11 provided the U.S. with a pretext to justify the U.S. war on Islam and a global imperialist expansion.

It is hard to believe that the recent unprovoked aggression by Georgia’s President Mikheil Saakashvili against the semi-independent district of South Ossetia wasn’t engineered by the U.S. ruling class in Washington. The aggression came at the time when Russia’s Prime Minister Vladimir Putin was at the Beijing Olympics Opening Ceremony and President Dmitry Medvedev on holiday. Georgian air force and heavy rocket and artillery indiscriminately attacked the town of Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia at midnight destroying schools, hospitals, homes, and even the University, leaving much of the city in ruins. Hundreds of innocent civilians were killed in the first hours of the attack. Saakashvili’s U.S.-Israeli trained Special Forces shot 10 Russian peacekeepers stationed there under an international peace agreement. Saakashvili’s aim was to take control of South Ossetia and ethnically cleanse it of its majority Russian inhabitants.

Saakashvili thought that destroying Tskhinvali and terrorising the population may go well with his plan to please Washington and joins NATO as a new U.S. proxy army. Meanwhile, the aggression provides the U.S. and its vassals with a pretext to use “humanitarian aid” deliveries to Georgia as cover for a military build-up in the Black Sea. Whatever the outcome, Saakashvili (like Bush) must be suffering from lack of rational thinking.

Saakashvili’s aggression may have enhanced U.S. anti-Russian propaganda, it has encouraged a rethinking among many European heavy weight nations (who rightly see Russia as an important part of Europe), that playing with fire close to Russia’s border is not a very good idea. With several European countries – France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Norway, Greece, Hungary, Luxembourg and Portugal – still have their doubts, Georgia’s bid to join NATO may have suffered a terminal setback as a result of Saakashvili’s war crimes in South Ossetia.

Russia has a legitimate right to protect its citizens. Most Ossetians are Russian citizens and do not want to be dominated by a racist Georgia. Russia’s response to Saakachvili’s aggression was swift and in full compliance with international laws. Saakashvili’s army of mercenaries – trained and armed by the U.S. and Israel – has suffered a deserving humiliating defeat that should be a lesson to all those “new” European vassals who think they can participate in U.S. war crimes and count on U.S. help.

Yet despite Georgia’s unprovoked aggression, Western-Zionist mainstream media led by the BBC, CNN, NBC, Fox News, New York Times and Washington Post turned the aggressor into a victime. In a grotesque display of distortion and dishonesty, Western media lauded Saakashvili as “democrat” defending democracy against the “Russian Bear”. Of course, forgotten are the U.S.-staged rigged elections that brought Saakashvili to power, Saakashvili’s corrupt authoritarian rule, the banning of news broadcasts, mass arrests of dissidents and Georgian police and masked thugs firing on peaceful demonstrators in Tbilisi and the imposition of marshal law. Playing on the prejudice and ignorance of their populations, Western media is demonising Russia in order to create an enemy and divert the public from ongoing war crimes perpetuated by Western governments. The ongoing anti-Russian propaganda is reminiscent of Nazis propaganda during World War II to manipulate the people and create an anti-Russian sentiment. All of this is in accord with U.S. quest for an imperialist control of the planet and the application of Neocons-fascist ideology of global hegemonic control.

Meanwhile, George Bush (speaking on behalf of the “West”) unashamedly condemned Russia’s legitimate response to Georgia’s unprovoked aggression as “disproportionate”, and added: “[It] is unacceptable in the 21st Century”. The hypocrisy and double standards continued: “This is not 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia where Russia can threaten a neighbour, occupy a capital, overthrow a government and get away with it”, ranted Condoleezza Rice, the tireless Secretary of Travelling. Did Bush and his Rice forget the U.S. premeditated and illegal invasion of and destruction of the Iraqi state, including the murder of members of Iraq legitimate government? Before criticising Russia, the U.S. ruling class should take a hard look at U.S. history of massive atrocities and serious war crimes committed around the world. Indeed, the U.S. government is the only government who get a way with any crime it commits. Hence, the U.S. ruling class and their complicit media must be suffering from the contagious diseases of moral bankruptcy and classic hypocrisy.

The U.S. ruling class, the Bush regime in particular, has no moral standing whatsoever to criticize Russia for protecting Russian nationals and defending South Ossetia against unprovoked aggression. After more than five years of murderous Occupation, the Bush regime is directly responsible for the premeditated killing of more than 1.3 million innocent Iraqi civilians. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians are imprisoned and tortured on regular basis, and at leas 5 million Iraqis have been displaced as refugees living in appalling conditions. The entire sovereign nation of Iraq is destroyed in a premeditated act of aggression justified by outright lies. Moreover, despite the overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people’s opposition to the Occupation, the Bush regime refused to withdraw U.S. troops and mercenaries from Iraq and end the murderous Occupation of their nation.

Finally, it is obvious that Western governments and their mainstream media are demonising Russia even if Russia is not the aggressor. As Sergei Lavrov, Russia's foreign minister told the media: “NATO is trying to make a victim of an aggressor and whitewash a criminal regime - save a collapsing regime - and is taking a path to the rearmament of the current leaders in Georgia”. Saakashvili as perpetrator of war crimes has become the victime by embarking on an ill-advised act of aggression not dissimilar from U.S. recent acts of aggression.

World peace is greatly served by multilateralism and international institutions without an aggressive U.S. military expansion. The transformation of NATO into a tool of U.S. imperialism is endangering the survival of the planet.

Ghali Hassan is an independent writer living in Australia.

Source: http://www.countercurrents.org/hassan250808.htm
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Zafran
06-12-2010, 12:47 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Lots of people support the war. Lots of people don't support the war. Lots of people don't care enough to decide either way. And those last group of people are most likely in the majority.

And it's the governments telling them to continue. NATO is fantastic alliance, in that it has so many members, and an attack on one member is an attack on all members. Thus, every country in the Alliance became involved. And I do think it's this 'peer pressure' and loyalty the governments feel towards one another that is forcing them to kepp their troops in Afghanistan.
when did Afghanistan ever attack a nato member? and its not loyalty thats keeps nato togather its there own individual political interests.

who are these "lots of people"?? we know the govenments insane as they were with Iraq but what people actaully support this crazy non sensical war.

what are we actually going to achieve by beating the Taleban?? so that the northen alliance can take over or that corrupt Karzai can rule freely - why are we supporting another corrupt leader?

actually when i think about this war - it seems worse then Iraq.
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Rabi Mansur
06-12-2010, 04:04 AM
when did Afghanistan ever attack a nato member? and its not loyalty thats keeps nato togather its there own individual political interests.

who are these "lots of people"?? we know the govenments insane as they were with Iraq but what people actaully support this crazy non sensical war.

what are we actually going to achieve by beating the Taleban?? so that the northen alliance can take over or that corrupt Karzai can rule freely - why are we supporting another corrupt leader?

actually when i think about this war - it seems worse then Iraq.
Last time I checked, the Karzai government was in charge in Afghanistan. The Taliban haven't been in power since 2001. By allowing the Taliban back in, it becomes a haven for terrorists again. It seems to me there was a guy named Usama Bin Laden who was allowed to flourish under the Taliban. We are still having to live with the consequences of those years. Or so it seems to me.
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Lynx
06-12-2010, 06:18 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
what the hell does this mean?

there doesn't seem to be much 'childhood' or 'innocence' for children of war mongers!



indeed I wish upon a loss worse than they have afflicted others with!

the least one can do is offer their supplication!

all the best
All children are born Muslim until they've reached the age of reason and choose some other faith (which most of the time they do under non muslim parents).
You prayed for suffering for these children
Therefore you've prayed for suffering for Muslims.

Simply put, even Islamically it isn't good to pray for the suffering of a kafirs children since they are not kafirs yet! Islam aside, you should never blame a child for their fathers sins unless you want to convert to some branches of Christianity.
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Lynx
06-12-2010, 06:26 AM
what are we actually going to achieve by beating the Taleban?? so that the northen alliance can take over or that corrupt Karzai can rule freely - why are we supporting another corrupt leader?
This is true partly. A lot of people in the Afghan 'Parliament' are as insane as the Taliban but hold different tribal affiliations. So by removing one group of lunatics and replacing them with another does little to solve the problem.
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Blackpool
06-12-2010, 06:29 AM
It's better to fight them in Aghanistan than on the streets of Britain. David Cameron have offered the troops a pay increase yesterday which will give them all a huge boost.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...a-pay-increase



The U.S are sending more troops in too. 9/11 has definitely changed the world as you see it today...
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Rabi Mansur
06-12-2010, 08:25 AM
may their children and their spouses feel the loss a thousand times worse than they have inflicted on the Muslims and their families
Ukti, I hope you really don't mean this. How can I even comment? +o(

My nephew is in Afghanistan, he has a 6 year old daughter who often cries herself to sleep because she misses her father. Do you honestly think he wants to be there? He would rather be home with his family. But he serves in the Army and he believes that he is helping to make the world safer, for everyone, including Muslims.

We can disagree on the merits of the war, but I just can't believe it is OK to wish that horror be inflicted on others. I would never in a million years wish that harm be inflicted on the spouses of the Taliban fighters or their children. I pray that wars and killing would end.

I can't believe that Muhammad (PBUH) would ever wish for harm to be brought on spouses or children of soldiers. If he did, and that is what Islam is all about, then maybe I have accepted the wrong religion.

Please tell me you don't really mean what you said.

:wa:
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aadil77
06-12-2010, 09:15 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Blackpool
It's better to fight them in Aghanistan than on the streets of Britain. David Cameron have offered the troops a pay increase yesterday which will give them all a huge boost.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...a-pay-increase



The U.S are sending more troops in too. 9/11 has definitely changed the world as you see it today...

mate when have the taliban ever left afghanistan? they've always stuck to themselves, they've never cared about bombing civilians in britain or america or any other country, they're just not gonna take it when we invade their land, afghans are very proud people - they won't take crap from anyone

al-qaeda and taliban are not the same

there isn't a limited number of taliban that you can just finish off, you can kill 10 of them and they'll take on another 100 from a nearby village
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aadil77
06-12-2010, 09:28 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by rabimansur

I can't believe that Muhammad (PBUH) would ever wish for harm to be brought on spouses or children of soldiers. If he did, and that is what Islam is all about, then maybe I have accepted the wrong religion.

Please tell me you don't really mean what you said.

:wa:
Firstly when did anyone say the prophet said such things? if you've read his sunnah on the rules of war you'll know he would never allow civilians or pow's to be harmed:

Abu Bakr summarised them:
'O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well!
Do no betray or misappropriate any part of the booty; do not practice treachery or mutilation. Do not kill a young child, an old man, or a woman. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food. You will meet people who have set themselves apart in hermitages; leave them to accomplish the purpose for which they have done this. You will come upon people who will bring you dishes with various kinds of foods. If you partake of them, pronounce God's name over what you eat. You will meet people who have shaved the crown of their heads, leaving a band of hair around it (monks). Go in Gods name, and may God protect you from sword and pestilence'



Secondly Is your faith this weak that you have doubts based on the comments of another member?

Thirdly we do not need you to be muslim - this is your own decision and its only going to benefit you in this world and the next - so please don't make statements like you're some kind of burden on us
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Ummu Sufyaan
06-12-2010, 09:49 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
You don't fit brainless twits in polyester suits and carpet bombs posing for pictures as the only 'heroic measure' just adorable? I find them particularly amusing and all animal like in their element when they crap their pants the minute they are captured.. They don't have enough pride to die with honor, so they cry like school girls and plead before having their heads are chopped off!

and may Allah swt yizeedhoum khosara in this life and the hereafter

ameen
yh, a bunch of pretty boys for an army, i find is pretty daym amusing, dont yah think lol
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Supreme
06-12-2010, 11:03 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Blackpool
It's better to fight them in Aghanistan than on the streets of Britain. David Cameron have offered the troops a pay increase yesterday which will give them all a huge boost.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...a-pay-increase



The U.S are sending more troops in too. 9/11 has definitely changed the world as you see it today...
I think the pay increase is the best thing this government has done so far (and perhaps will do for a while). We need to show the soldiers that the people of Britain appreciate the professionalism of their jobs and the dangers they face each day defending Britain, even if they don't agree with the war itself. Our Army is perhaps the best and the most professional in the world, with standards of training incredibly high. We need to show these men that we do care about them and the work they're doing.
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aadil77
06-12-2010, 12:33 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
I think the pay increase is the best thing this government has done so far (and perhaps will do for a while). We need to show the soldiers that the people of Britain appreciate the professionalism of their jobs and the dangers they face each day defending Britain, even if they don't agree with the war itself. Our Army is perhaps the best and the most professional in the world, with standards of training incredibly high. We need to show these men that we do care about them and the work they're doing.
I think they should sort out the issue of PTSD first cause you end up losing soldiers when they're not even in combat
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Supreme
06-12-2010, 04:13 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
I think they should sort out the issue of PTSD first cause you end up losing soldiers when they're not even in combat
Indeed, and that needs to be addressed. Coming back from the adrenaline and horrors of war can have very bad consequences on a minority of soldiers. They may be in the minority, but this country needs to shows its graditude to them. They are brave men who have sacrificed their mental health for the wellbeing and security of the UK, and the government must strive to help those men recover their mental health.
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Muslim Woman
06-12-2010, 04:55 PM
Salaam


format_quote Originally Posted by rabimansur
Do you honestly think he wants to be there?
but the fact is he is there .

Only Allah knows how many inncoent civilians including kids died and injured there in Iraq and Afghanistan . If ur nephew did not kill any innocent one , then may Allah forgive him .


he serves in the Army and he believes that he is helping to make the world safer, for everyone, including Muslims.
and how is that possible ?

Money and resources could be used in welfare instead of wars.




Number Of Iraqis Slaughtered Since The U.S. Invaded Iraq "1,366,350"
www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html

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Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged) In America's War On Iraq: 4,721
icasualties.org/oif/

Number Of International Occupation Force Troops Slaughtered In Afghanistan : 1,823

=

Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,004,590,997,125
http://www.costofwar.com/


I can't believe that Muhammad (PBUH) would ever wish for harm to be brought on spouses or children of soldiers.
Prophet pbuh forbid to kill innocent unarmed civilians of enemy party. But killing armed enemies and make dua that they face more losses , I am sure it's allowed .

Allah Knows Best.
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LauraS
06-12-2010, 04:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
You don't fit brainless twits in polyester suits and carpet bombs posing for pictures as the only 'heroic measure' just adorable? I find them particularly amusing and all animal like in their element when they crap their pants the minute they are captured.. They don't have enough pride to die with honor, so they cry like school girls and plead before having their heads are chopped off!

and may Allah swt yizeedhoum khosara in this life and the hereafter

ameen
Remember the poor families of all those that have been taken hostage, who have had to survive everyday waiting for news and then to find out they have been killed in such a terrible way, surely you can't condone it? The people held hostage haven't always been soldiers, what about there have been aid workers and journalists.

How would you react in that situation and have you ever seen someone beheaded? How do you know they plead for their life? If you have and you find it amusing then I think you should see someone.
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Dagless
06-12-2010, 05:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by LauraS
Remember the poor families of all those that have been taken hostage, who have had to survive everyday waiting for news and then to find out they have been killed in such a terrible way, surely you can't condone it? The people held hostage haven't always been soldiers, what about there have been aid workers and journalists.
What about the poor people who are held in Guantanamo? or the thousands kidnapped by Israel with US support? What about all the civilians killed during the invasions?
You can't walk into a fire pit and then complain when the flames burn you. The bottom line is that they shouldn't be there. The end.
Anything happening to a non-combatant is always very sad, and I would never call that right. However you're only looking at it from one side. The US has tortured and killed more non-combatants than the other way around.
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LauraS
06-12-2010, 05:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Dagless
What about the poor people who are held in Guantanamo? or the thousands kidnapped by Israel with US support? What about all the civilians killed during the invasions?
You can't walk into a fire pit and then complain when the flames burn you. The bottom line is that they shouldn't be there. The end.
Anything happening to a non-combatant is always very sad, and I would never call that right. However you're only looking at it from one side. The US has tortured and killed more non-combatants than the other way around.
I'm not saying it "amuses" me though am I? You shouldn't gloat about suffering no matter what side they are on. I'm not looking at it from any particular side.
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Dagless
06-12-2010, 05:21 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by LauraS
I'm not saying it "amuses" me though am I? You shouldn't gloat about suffering no matter what side they are on. I'm not looking at it from any particular side.
When did I say it "amuses" me or gloat?

edit: Ok I see you were replying to another quote, and not mine.
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Woodrow
06-12-2010, 06:06 PM
I will be the first to admit that my logic is twisted.

However I am always saddened when hear of the death of a non-Muslim. I do not see it as a Non-Muslim dieing I see it as the lose of a potential revert. Far better if we could be more more effective in Da'wah. To me The death of an enemy only results in one less enemy. To bring an enemy to Islam results in the loss of one enemy and the gain of one brother. A 2 for one deal.
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جوري
06-12-2010, 06:23 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx
All children are born Muslim until they've reached the age of reason and choose some other faith (which most of the time they do under non muslim parents).
You prayed for suffering for these children
Therefore you've prayed for suffering for Muslims.

Simply put, even Islamically it isn't good to pray for the suffering of a kafirs children since they are not kafirs yet! Islam aside, you should never blame a child for their fathers sins unless you want to convert to some branches of Christianity.
Don't worry about the Muslim children, in other words keep doing what you are doing supporting corrupt policies and don't concern yourself over them .. I am not blaming the children of the kuffar for the sins of their fathers, I am asking God to make them suffer the same losses that Muslim children suffer only a million times worse.. although I can't imagine anything worse than this:



when you are 8 yrs old and find your mother's skull blown off and your father dead and you end up in an orphanage in a country besieged and all aid halted and to add insult to injury those oppressing you are wondering why it is you've 'so much hatred' can you come and give me a lesson in fitrah and how it is you derived to your ridiculous closing statement!

all the best
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جوري
06-12-2010, 06:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by rabimansur
Ukti, I hope you really don't mean this. How can I even comment? +o(



:wa:
There was a time when Abu Bakr was fighting against his own son. His son said, father when I saw you in the battle, I avoided you not to kill you, and abu bakr (RA) said, well if I had seen you I'd have killed you.. the priorities in Islam and loyalties aren't to human beings or country, it is to Justice and to God!

Abu Bakr's kid eventually became a Muslim, which I believe he was always meant to be, so God judges best who deserves to live and who deserves to die, regardless of anyone's prayer or anyone's intent- one must believe that whole-heatedly if one is truly a Muslim! ..

the situation was similar but the reverse with Omar ibn ilkhtab and his son.. His son was so terrified of him that he kept is Islam a secret as to not incur Omar's wrath ...I didn't pray for the death of the children of the unbelievers, because there is ethics in Islamic warfare, but I do pray that they are aggrieved as the Muslim children are aggrieved by all those horrific losses, and not know if they themselves will be next, since Judaic law unlike Islamic law allows for the death of women and children, and well we all know that secular law means muslim blood is free for all, we need not but look at the Palestinian kid with his rock against an enormous Israeli tank to know that he was killed by them shortly thereafter.. of course it won't make the ten o'clock news or any news.. 'because well, we are taught to hate'

if you are sitting in your home with your two children and soldiers come killing your mother for fun:



Then please don't begrudge me a single supplication, that the enemy suffer as we suffer, and not have a prayer for hope!

[4:104] And slacken not in following up the enemy: if ye are suffering hardships, they are suffering similar hardships; but ye have hope from Allah, while they have none. And Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom.
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Rabi Mansur
06-12-2010, 07:15 PM
Firstly when did anyone say the prophet said such things? if you've read his sunnah on the rules of war you'll know he would never allow civilians or pow's to be harmed:

Abu Bakr summarised them:
'O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well!
Do no betray or misappropriate any part of the booty; do not practice treachery or mutilation. Do not kill a young child, an old man, or a woman. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food. You will meet people who have set themselves apart in hermitages; leave them to accomplish the purpose for which they have done this. You will come upon people who will bring you dishes with various kinds of foods. If you partake of them, pronounce God's name over what you eat. You will meet people who have shaved the crown of their heads, leaving a band of hair around it (monks). Go in Gods name, and may God protect you from sword and pestilence'



Secondly Is your faith this weak that you have doubts based on the comments of another member?

Thirdly we do not need you to be muslim - this is your own decision and its only going to benefit you in this world and the next - so please don't make statements like you're some kind of burden on us
I'm not saying that the prophet said such things. He clearly didn't. That is why I am so surprised by some of the comments from people here who seem to delight in human suffering. It seems so "unIslamic" to me and so contrary to what the Prophet (pbuh) would have taught. It just aids and abets those who criticize Islam for being a violent hate-filled religion.

I really don't understand where you are coming from and why you feel the way that you do so perhaps I had better just stay quiet for awhile.

:wa:
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جوري
06-12-2010, 07:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by rabimansur
I really don't understand where you are coming from and why you feel the way that you do so perhaps I had better just stay quiet for awhile.

:wa:
you shouldn't stay quiet, you should express your feelings, and I was expressing mine.. that is unfortunately how I feel and I can't change that.. it might not be Islamic or seem Islamic but it is human.. it is human to feel!

:w:
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Lynx
06-12-2010, 09:39 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
Don't worry about the Muslim children, in other words keep doing what you are doing supporting corrupt policies and don't concern yourself over them .. I am not blaming the children of the kuffar for the sins of their fathers, I am asking God to make them suffer the same losses that Muslim children suffer only a million times worse.. although I can't imagine anything worse than this:



when you are 8 yrs old and find your mother's skull blown off and your father dead and you end up in an orphanage in a country besieged and all aid halted and to add insult to injury those oppressing you are wondering why it is you've 'so much hatred' can you come and give me a lesson in fitrah and how it is you derived to your ridiculous closing statement!

all the best
children aren't to blame nor do they deserve any suffering. if god exists i am happy to know your prayers for the suffering of the innocents will not be heard. if allah exist then your prayers will still mean nothing since you're wishing the suffering of children who are Muslim according to your own texts. you're as bad as the very oppressors you condemn and this is exactly why being religious does not confer any sense of morality in anyone. people are despicable across the board.
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Argamemnon
06-12-2010, 09:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Blackpool
The U.S are sending more troops in too. 9/11 has definitely changed the world as you see it today...
9/11 was a false flag operation in order to get public support for continuous imperialistic wars and massacres. The West is the source of all aggression and wars and terrible massacres and horrific crimes against humanity.
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Argamemnon
06-12-2010, 09:50 PM
My Government Went to Afghanistan And All I Got Was This Stupid Pipeline

The Complete Truth About the U.S. Attack on Afghanistan

http://citypaper.net/pipeline/
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Argamemnon
06-12-2010, 09:58 PM
Terrorist western states don't want peace; they only understand the language of power. O Allah make their plots against us a cause for their destruction, and their slyness a slyness against them. O Allah, take care of the sources of injustice and oppression, and raise the positions of those who order righteousness, and who forbid evil.
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Argamemnon
06-12-2010, 10:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
I think the pay increase is the best thing this government has done so far (and perhaps will do for a while). We need to show the soldiers that the people of Britain appreciate the professionalism of their jobs and the dangers they face each day defending Britain, even if they don't agree with the war itself. Our Army is perhaps the best and the most professional in the world, with standards of training incredibly high. We need to show these men that we do care about them and the work they're doing.
What an absurd thing to say. It's all about natural resources, your soldiers are criminals and terrorists. Insha'Allah the brave mujahadeen will slaughter all your cowardly 'soldiers' and send them straight to hell...
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Argamemnon
06-12-2010, 10:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
you shouldn't stay quiet, you should express your feelings, and I was expressing mine.. that is unfortunately how I feel and I can't change that.. it might not be Islamic or seem Islamic but it is human.. it is human to feel!

:w:
I feel the same, seeing kafir westerners beheaded fills my heart with joy. As you can clearly see from the answers on this board by westerners; they are all extremely hostile and inhumane, very few of them are righteous. The (overwhelming) majority support the suffering and massacres of Muslims by their terrorist governments and armies. To hell with them...
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Supreme
06-12-2010, 10:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
What an absurd thing to say. It's all about natural resources, your soldiers are criminals and terrorists. Insha'Allah the brave mujahadeen will slaughter all your cowardly 'soldiers' and send them straight to hell...
You can say that. You can keep on saying that. It doesn't make it true, though.
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Rabi Mansur
06-12-2010, 10:41 PM
I feel the same, it fills my heart with joy to see kafir westerners beheaded. As you can clearly see from the answers on this board by westerners; they are all extremely hostile and inhumane, very few of them are righteous. The (overwhelming) majority support the suffering and massacres of Muslims by their terrorist governments and armies. To hell with them...
It pains me to see anyone beheaded. I live in the west but I don't support suffering or the massacre of Muslims. I don't support the massacre of anyone. Frankly, the hostility seems to be coming from those on this board supporting the Taliban. Who are the "inhumane" westerners on this board?

I really don't understand the mentality behind finding joy in seeing anyone beheaded or hoping that innocent children suffer.

How is your attitude any different from the worst Zionists in Israel who oppress the people of Gaza? Really.

:wa:
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Argamemnon
06-12-2010, 10:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
You can say that. You can keep on saying that. It doesn't make it true, though.
Do some research, it's common knowledge. It's not the first time that the west has waged a bloody war for similar reasons. Buy the book "Killing Hope" by William Blum.
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Supreme
06-12-2010, 10:59 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
Do some serious research, it's common knowledge.
'Common knowledge' implies it's something that's commonly known; honestly, I'd never heard of it until I visited this forum. I don't know anyone IRL who thinks like that.
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Argamemnon
06-12-2010, 11:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
'Common knowledge' implies it's something that's commonly known; honestly, I'd never heard of it until I visited this forum. I don't know anyone IRL who thinks like that.
You see, that's exactly the problem. Intelligent people do know, but your bloodthirsty government doesn't want the ignorant masses to know. Ever heard of media propaganda? Here are some superb books "Hegemony or Survival" (Noam Chomsky), "killing Hope" (William Blum), "Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower" (William Blum).
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جوري
06-12-2010, 11:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx
children aren't to blame nor do they deserve any suffering. if god exists i am happy to know your prayers for the suffering of the innocents will not be heard. if allah exist then your prayers will still mean nothing since you're wishing the suffering of children who are Muslim according to your own texts. you're as bad as the very oppressors you condemn and this is exactly why being religious does not confer any sense of morality in anyone. people are despicable across the board.
Greetings,

In Islam there are no boundaries at all between the prayer of the oppressed and the doors of heaven, it is heard whether or not it is answered immediately, I assure you, it will be answered, Only God in his wisdom knows when that answer will come.
Now, you say I am as bad as the oppressors, well I find that laughably amusing since when are wishes equal to frank murder? That explains so much about your own psyche I suppose...

Results وَاتَّقُوا فِتْنَةً لَا تُصِيبَنَّ الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا مِنْكُمْ خَاصَّةً ۖ وَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّ اللَّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ {25}
[Pickthal 8:25] And guard yourselves against a chastisement which cannot fall exclusively on those of you who are wrong-doers, and know that Allah is severe in punishment.

Still I can't figure out how hoping the children and loved ones of the war mongers suffer a grievous loss denotes that I am wishing it unto Muslim children? Perhaps it is one of those twisted mysteries that only atheists understand?

It doesn't aggrieve me one bit what you think of the God whose existence you deny or religion or me as a person, I am not here to pacify you with a nice PR move.. PR is left to Israel and the U.S and it certainly feigning sorrow doesn't exonerate people from the ills they commit especially when they go on committing it (oh sorry for that carpet bombing, but how can we target this imam we don't like unless we bomb the entire village, war casualties but please accept our apologies) . To me you are not only a mere hypocrite and complicit to murder, but a delusional being as well!

work on your logic, and don't feel free to speak on behalf of my religion or question my understanding with your usual pedantic conclusions!

all the best

____________

Addendum:

Do not be passive

Ibn Abee Dunya and al-Bayhaqi both reported on the authority of Ibraaheem bin ’Amr as-San’aani that he said:
Allah inspired Yush’a bin Nuun (the prophet after Moosa):
I am going to destroy forty thousand people from the good people amongst you and sixty thousand people from your wicked people.
He said:
O my Lord! These are the wicked people (I understand that) but what is the matter with the good people (i.e why destroy them too)?
Allah replied:
They did not become angry for what I became angry with and they used to eat with them (meaning with the wicked people) and used to drink with them.
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Supreme
06-12-2010, 11:23 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
You see, that's exactly the problem. Intelligent people do know, but your bloodthirsty government doesn't want the ignorant masses to know. Ever heard of media propaganda? Here are some superb books "Hegemony or Survival" (Noam Chomsky), "killing Hope" (William Blum), "Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower" (William Blum).
Thanks, if I wasn't studying for the most important exams of my life, I may even read one of those books.
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aadil77
06-13-2010, 12:02 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
My Government Went to Afghanistan And All I Got Was This Stupid Pipeline

The Complete Truth About the U.S. Attack on Afghanistan

http://citypaper.net/pipeline/
they secured their drugs business too
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Rabi Mansur
06-13-2010, 12:13 AM
9/11 was a false flag operation in order to get public support for continuous imperialistic wars and massacres. The West is the source of all aggression and wars and terrible massacres and horrific crimes against humanity.
Here is Chomsky obliterating 911 conspiracy theories with simple logic.




The Republicans were not smart enough to pull off a false flag operation. You are giving them too much credit. Bush and cronies just weren't that smart.

OTOH you are partially correct. The west is a source of aggression, but so are all other states. There is plenty of aggression and hypocrisy to go around. States are power centers and always will be.

:wa:
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Maryan0
06-13-2010, 12:19 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Dagless
You can't walk into a fire pit and then complain when the flames burn you. The bottom line is that they shouldn't be there. The end.
Exactly
Salam
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aadil77
06-13-2010, 12:30 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by rabimansur
I'm not saying that the prophet said such things. He clearly didn't. That is why I am so surprised by some of the comments from people here who seem to delight in human suffering. It seems so "unIslamic" to me and so contrary to what the Prophet (pbuh) would have taught. It just aids and abets those who criticize Islam for being a violent hate-filled religion.

I really don't understand where you are coming from and why you feel the way that you do so perhaps I had better just stay quiet for awhile.

:wa:
Human suffering is nothing to be delighted about, but if its due to well served justice then whats the problem?

Do the kuffar not laugh at us when they bomb us from helicopters? in the quran we're told we will have the last laugh when they are punished on the day of judgment:

083.034 This day it is those who believe who have the laugh of disbelievers,
083.035 On high couches, gazing.
083.036 Are not the disbelievers paid for what they used to do ?


And I don't understand the last part of your comment, I made it clear that your doubts about islam are no threat or burden upon us, you demonstated weak faith and doubts by a few comments by others - we make this clear to every revert to not judge islam from other muslims, you should instead look to the example of our prophet look to the words of Allah in the Quran - do not moan about not choosing the 'right' religion over minor things
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Lynx
06-13-2010, 01:13 AM
[QUOTE=τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1337775]

In Islam there are no boundaries at all between the prayer of the oppressed and the doors of heaven, it is heard whether or not it is answered immediately, I assure you, it will be answered,
Explains this:

since when are wishes equal to frank murder?
Because you are praying for suffering of children while at the same time believing that your prayers will come true (they won't and thank god. ;)).

Still I can't figure out how hoping the children and loved ones of the war mongers suffer a grievous loss denotes that I am wishing it unto Muslim children? Perhaps it is one of those twisted mysteries that only atheists understand?
No, it's no mystery; it's a syllogism that I wrote up last post. Let me quote myself:

Premise: All children are born Muslim until they've reached the age of reason and choose some other faith (which most of the time they do under non muslim parents).
Premise: You prayed for suffering for these children
Conclusion: Therefore you've prayed for suffering for Muslims
I think you ought reconsider the earlier duah you made for the suffering of your fellow muslims. I take back what I said earlier; you're probably not as bad the oppressors. emotions tend to make people less reflective so i hope in a sober state of mind you will realize the full implication of your words.

It doesn't aggrieve me one bit what you think of the God whose existence you deny or religion or me as a person, I am not here to pacify you with a nice PR move.. PR is left to Israel and the U.S and it certainly feigning sorrow doesn't exonerate people from the ills they commit especially when they go on committing it (oh sorry for that carpet bombing, but how can we target this imam we don't like unless we bomb the entire village, war casualties but please accept our apologies) . To me you are not only a mere hypocrite and complicit to murder, but a delusional being as well!
I don't support the actions of Israel or the U.S in defense of Israel.
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Rabi Mansur
06-13-2010, 01:21 AM
And I don't understand the last part of your comment, I made it clear that your doubts about islam are no threat or burden upon us, you demonstated weak faith and doubts by a few comments by others - we make this clear to every revert to not judge islam from other muslims, you should instead look to the example of our prophet look to the words of Allah in the Quran - do not moan about not choosing the 'right' religion over minor things
Thanks, but I don't need a lecture on faith. :statisfie

Human suffering is nothing to be delighted about, but if its due to well served justice then whats the problem?

Do the kuffar not laugh at us when they bomb us from helicopters?
Are you any better than a hate-filled Kuffar when you allow yourself to get down to their level?

:wa:
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جوري
06-13-2010, 01:22 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx


Explains this:
which part was hard for you to understand?

Because you are praying for suffering of children while at the same time believing that your prayers will come true (they won't and thank god. ;)).
until such a time you survey the families of every slain war-monger to see whether their families are rejoicing over their military benefits vs. overcome with grief, I'd keep your 'thank God' to yourself.. it is the most mal-fitted assertion I have read by your person!


No, it's no mystery; it's a syllogism that I wrote up last post. Let me quote myself:
People are born on fitrah until such a time their parents make them another religion (why it is that you see yourself fit for expert exegesis is beyond me) clearly the little 'cute Israeli' children signing the bombs aren't on fitrah.. fitrah goes with the nature of man and with goodness, and those little satanists didn't look like there was an ounce of goodness left in them..


I think you ought reconsider the earlier duah you made for the suffering of your fellow muslims. I take back what I said earlier; you're probably not as bad the oppressors. emotions tend to make people less reflective so i hope in a sober state of mind you will realize the full implication of your words.
I meant every word I said, I pray for that five times a day if not more, and especially when I reflect!


I don't support the actions of Israel or the U.S in defense of Israel.
and what are you doing about that other than a mere profession on a forum?

all the best
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Lynx
06-13-2010, 06:13 AM
which part was hard for you to understand?
I wasn't asking anything. I was showing you that when you pray for suffering to fall upon someone and you think your prayers will actually come true then you are responsible for that.


People are born on fitrah until such a time their parents make them another religion (why it is that you see yourself fit for expert exegesis is beyond me) clearly the little 'cute Israeli' children signing the bombs aren't on fitrah.. fitrah goes with the nature of man and with goodness, and those little satanists didn't look like there was an ounce of goodness left in them..
And what age do you think a child becomes culpable in Islam? Whenever you decide? Before you google that, it doesn't matter because the children of the kafir soldiers are everywhere from age 0 to whenever. By sheer deductive syllogistic logic that you stubbornly refusing to acknowledge, you are praying for the suffering of people that are technically Muslim. Even if they are not Muslim, why would you pray for the suffering of children who didn't do anything? Just because they were born to soldiers? Is that their fault? Just because you can find a picture of kids like that does not represent all children everywhere. Don't you have a sense of justice outside of this weird 'they killed my children so I will kill theirs' attitude? I shouldn't care since there are tons of people that share your thinking but wow.


and what are you doing about that other than a mere profession on a forum?
I can't do anything more than just donate a few bucks to a charity but there are a lot of suffering people out there that I can relate to more than Palestinians.
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جوري
06-13-2010, 05:23 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx
I wasn't asking anything. I was showing you that when you pray for suffering to fall upon someone and you think your prayers will actually come true then you are responsible for that.
lol.. are you responsible for wishing you can rob the national bank (let's make it altruistic, a robbery for the sake of the poor) when the national bank gets robbed by folks that have positively nothing to do with you, should you be held accountable?
You want to talk logic, I suggest you get back to your community college and re-enlist for that philosophy course so you can weave it better into your contentions here!



And what age do you think a child becomes culpable in Islam? Whenever you decide? Before you google that, it doesn't matter because the children of the kafir soldiers are everywhere from age 0 to whenever. By sheer deductive syllogistic logic that you stubbornly refusing to acknowledge, you are praying for the suffering of people that are technically Muslim. Even if they are not Muslim, why would you pray for the suffering of children who didn't do anything? Just because they were born to soldiers? Is that their fault? Just because you can find a picture of kids like that does not represent all children everywhere. Don't you have a sense of justice outside of this weird 'they killed my children so I will kill theirs' attitude? I shouldn't care since there are tons of people that share your thinking but wow.
Actually googling a fact seems more like your brand of expertise! I pray they suffer a loss that is great, for amongst other reasons, they'd have an understanding when they grow up of the terrors their folks inflicted upon others, perhaps it would humanize them a little!



I can't do anything more than just donate a few bucks to a charity but there are a lot of suffering people out there that I can relate to more than Palestinians.
I had no doubt that you should not be able to relate to the suffering of the Palestinians, or the afghanis or the Chechnyans, the iraqis etc etc... their lives are more horrific than your simpleton mind and effete life can possibly fathom!

all the best
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LauraS
06-13-2010, 05:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
I feel the same, seeing kafir westerners beheaded fills my heart with joy. As you can clearly see from the answers on this board by westerners; they are all extremely hostile and inhumane, very few of them are righteous. The (overwhelming) majority support the suffering and massacres of Muslims by their terrorist governments and armies. To hell with them...
Would you please quote the messages that have shown support for the "suffering and massacres" of Muslims?
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Supreme
06-13-2010, 05:48 PM
I had no doubt that you should not be able to relate to the suffering of the Palestinians, or the afghanis or the Chechnyans, the iraqis etc etc... their lives are more horrific than your simpleton mind and effete life can possibly fathom!
Sorry, but... you live in America, don't you? I hardly imagine you're an expert on the plight of the Palestinians- looking at websites and photos from the comfort of your own home hardly qualifies as being savvy with regard to the suffering of forieigners thousands of miles away with living conditions you yourself have never experienced.

Honestly, I don't even know why I'm getting involved in a debate that doesn't concern me. I just like it, I guess. And it's fantastic stress relief for THREE HOURS SOLID of history studying.
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Mohamed_Sadiq
06-13-2010, 06:10 PM
One man's hero is another man's enemy. So i say who cares about the nato soldiers.:shade:
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Trumble
06-13-2010, 06:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
I feel the same, seeing kafir westerners beheaded fills my heart with joy. As you can clearly see from the answers on this board by westerners; they are all extremely hostile and inhumane, very few of them are righteous. The (overwhelming) majority support the suffering and massacres of Muslims by their terrorist governments and armies. To hell with them...
I'm not sure whether you are just sick, have severe comprehension problems, or both. No wonder anti-Islamic sentiment is on the rise in your country if you are typical of Dutch muslims.
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جوري
06-13-2010, 07:40 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Sorry, but... you live in America, don't you? I hardly imagine you're an expert on the plight of the Palestinians- looking at websites and photos from the comfort of your own home hardly qualifies as being savvy with regard to the suffering of forieigners thousands of miles away with living conditions you yourself have never experienced.

Honestly, I don't even know why I'm getting involved in a debate that doesn't concern me. I just like it, I guess. And it's fantastic stress relief for THREE HOURS SOLID of history studying.
You know about my extensive travel history to the middle east, far east and Europe too? wow psychic on top of being a 'history buff'?
amazing man, you should strike a tent and charge admission!

all the best
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Supreme
06-13-2010, 08:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
You know about my extensive travel history to the middle east, far east and Europe too? wow psychic on top of being a 'history buff'?
amazing man, you should strike a tent and charge admission!

all the best
Travelling to places does not, in any way, equate to living there. It annoys me immensely when celebrities believe they're experts all of a sudden on a poverty through one visit for a week or so to an African village.
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جوري
06-13-2010, 08:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Travelling to places does not, in any way, equate to living there. It annoys me immensely when celebrities believe they're experts all of a sudden on a poverty through one visit for a week or so to an African village.
It beats sitting at home and talking about? secondly I am not a 'celebrity' and lastly what is the point of this moronic exercise?
are we quantifying our level of empathy?.. I am so amused by these byway deflections that come out of nowhere to steer the topic from where it ought to be to some imaginary place where one of you gets an ample chance to whine about something so ancillary!
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Woodrow
06-13-2010, 08:27 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
You know about my extensive travel history to the middle east, far east and Europe too? wow psychic on top of being a 'history buff'?
amazing man, you should strike a tent and charge admission!

all the best
:sl: Ukhti,

A little off topic Ukhti, Your sister Aabidah (My wife) wants to thank you for the wonderful pictures of your family home in Egypt and the other pictures you recently sent her from Egypt. I still find it humorous that your Grandmother spoke the Moroccan Darija instead of your native Egyptian Arabic. You are right the Darija name for those cookies is hilarious.
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جوري
06-13-2010, 08:32 PM
How can I mind akhi, Jazaka Allah kol khyer..and it is certainly a refreshing change from the heaviness of this thread..

:w:
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Supreme
06-13-2010, 09:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
It beats sitting at home and talking about? secondly I am not a 'celebrity' and lastly what is the point of this moronic exercise?
are we quantifying our level of empathy?.. I am so amused by these byway deflections that come out of nowhere to steer the topic from where it ought to be to some imaginary place where one of you gets an ample chance to whine about something so ancillary!
Take a deep breath. Relax. No one is accusing you of anything here.
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جوري
06-13-2010, 10:15 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Take a deep breath. Relax. No one is accusing you of anything here.

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Lynx
06-14-2010, 12:25 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
lol.. are you responsible for wishing you can rob the national bank (let's make it altruistic, a robbery for the sake of the poor) when the national bank gets robbed by folks that have positively nothing to do with you, should you be held accountable?
You want to talk logic, I suggest you get back to your community college and re-enlist for that philosophy course so you can weave it better into your contentions here!
Jeez, I shouldn't have to spell this out for you. If those robbers rob the bank on account of my wish, and I knew that my wish would come true, then yes I am responsible. Similarly, when you pray, and you've admitted that you believe your prayers will actually come true, and if it happens on account of your prayer (which you are hoping) then you share responsibility. Though since your prayer will never (hopefully) come true it's not a big deal I guess. Your intentions, however, make you guilty. This is the third time I am explaining this excruciatingly simple point. Don't you doctors ever practice reading comprehension? Or is it just that you throw rationality out the window the moment the discussion involves anything personal? It's a bad habit to let your judgment be clouded by emotions :)

Your community college jokes are distastefulness at best, though I don't expect an arrogant person like yourself to ever be mindful that there might actually be a person here, Muslim or not, attending a community college that find your remarks offensive.

Actually googling a fact seems more like your brand of expertise! I pray they suffer a loss that is great, for amongst other reasons, they'd have an understanding when they grow up of the terrors their folks inflicted upon others, perhaps it would humanize them a little!
Okay, then join hands in prayer wiht me and let us wish for the constant suffering of all people around the world in hopes that they will grow up to be better humans.

I had no doubt that you should not be able to relate to the suffering of the Palestinians, or the afghanis or the Chechnyans, the iraqis etc etc... their lives are more horrific than your simpleton mind and effete life can possibly fathom!

all the best
Only someone living in their community, feeling their plight as it happens, can say they relate...not a doctor from Amreeka :D
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جوري
06-14-2010, 12:48 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx
Jeez, I shouldn't have to spell this out for you. If those robbers rob the bank on account of my wish, and I knew that my wish would come true, then yes I am responsible. Similarly, when you pray, and you've admitted that you believe your prayers will actually come true, and if it happens on account of your prayer (which you are hoping) then you share responsibility. Though since your prayer will never (hopefully) come true it's not a big deal I guess. Your intentions, however, make you guilty. This is the third time I am explaining this excruciatingly simple point. Don't you doctors ever practice reading comprehension? Or is it just that you throw rationality out the window the moment the discussion involves anything personal? It's a bad habit to let your judgment be clouded by emotions :)
you need a psychiatrist who enjoys a challenge.. if you enjoy guilt by proxy then you are more guilty for actively voting for corrupt governments that enable these crimes to go in the first place!
Your community college jokes are distastefulness at best, though I don't expect an arrogant person like yourself to ever be mindful that there might actually be a person here, Muslim or not, attending a community college that find your remarks offensive.
No shame in attending a community college if you can rise above the mediocre display of education or in this case lack thereof!


Okay, then join hands in prayer wiht me and let us wish for the constant suffering of all people around the world in hopes that they will grow up to be better humans.
You believe in God?


Only someone living in their community, feeling their plight as it happens, can say they relate...not a doctor from Amreeka :D
I didn't say I can relate to soldiers coming in raping them and rendering them orphans, I said I am angered by what happens to them because Muslims are one ummah, a single body, when a part of it suffers the whole suffers!

all the best?
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Ramadhan
06-14-2010, 07:44 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble
I'm not sure whether you are just sick, have severe comprehension problems, or both. No wonder anti-Islamic sentiment is on the rise in your country if you are typical of Dutch muslims.
and non-muslims westerners are in mourning each time a muslim is killed in Palestine, Afghanistan or Iraq?
LOL.

You people are such hypocrites.
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Lynx
06-14-2010, 07:54 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
you need a psychiatrist who enjoys a challenge.. if you enjoy guilt by proxy then you are more guilty for actively voting for corrupt governments that enable these crimes to go in the first place!
I don't vote actually. That's actually a great analogy; you're basically asking your government (God) to cause a group of people suffering with the belief that your government will listen to you. Makes you guilty my dear :(

No shame in attending a community college if you can rise above the mediocre display of education or in this case lack thereof!
There shouldn't be any shame in the first place...don't you think? University is a hefty investment and for a lot of things it just doesn't pay off. It's too bad people can't go to school just for the sake of learning; everyone's gotta worry about jobs and this market pressure is forcing universities to pretend like they're trade schools. I've said it before and I will say it again: plato would turn in his grave if he saw what his Academy has turned into :( . Though I don't regret a university education.


You believe in God?
I do but what I said was complete sarcasm to show how ridiculous your excuse for wishing suffering on children was.

I didn't say I can relate to soldiers coming in raping them and rendering them orphans, I said I am angered by what happens to them because Muslims are one ummah, a single body, when a part of it suffers the whole suffers!
imperfect humans are imperfect humans. in a perfect world we wouldn't blame innocent parties; let's strive to make the world a better place :)
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LauraS
06-14-2010, 12:01 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar

(I am counting on the admins and mods to take out this rubbish as soon as possible)
Although I don't agree with all of the comments made by Blackpool, if his messages are removed then surely messages bragging about enjoying people being beheaded and messages calling western people "filth" should be removed as well?

No western person on this board has said they are happy with the invasion and do feel sympathy for the Afghani civilians. Of course we also feel sympathy for people who are kept as hostages for ages before being beheaded, it'd be inhuman not to whether you agree with the invasion or not. At the end of the day soldiers go where they are told and aren't all just monsters enjoying killing innocent people like is being made out.
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