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Hanan_x3
06-11-2010, 09:26 PM
Ive always wondered, why do we pray towards Mecca?
We're praying to God right? And God is everywhere. So why pray towards a certain direction?
Does our prayer not count if we dont pray towards Mecca?

Ive heard the reason that its to unite the Muslims and whatnot because its in the center of the universe. I still dont get it. Muslims used to pray towards Jerusalem. But ii guess its becuz they dont wanna b like the Jews and Christians, so they changed it to Mecca.

I dont see the reason to pray towards Mecca, would it not b like the Christians praying towards the cross? Is it symbolic?
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omar ibrahim
06-12-2010, 01:20 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hanan_x3
Ive always wondered, why do we pray towards Mecca? well sister its simple to unite the muslims and also its the holyiest place on the earth

We're praying to God right? And God is everywhere. So why pray towards a certain direction? We muslims do not believe that God is every where we believe that his knowledge is everywhere
Does our prayer not count if we dont pray towards Mecca?

Ive heard the reason that its to unite the Muslims and whatnot because its in the center of the universe. I still dont get it. Muslims used to pray towards Jerusalem. But ii guess its becuz they dont wanna b like the Jews and Christians, so they changed it to Mecca. they dont changed it,Allah ganged it in the quran.

I dont see the reason to pray towards Mecca, would it not b like the Christians praying towards the cross? ok i got it Why would you think its better?

Is it symbolic?
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Insaanah
06-12-2010, 03:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hanan_x3
Ive always wondered, why do we pray towards Mecca?
The simple reason we pray facing towards Masjid al Haraam in Makkah is because it is the command of Allah, our Creator, Whom we worship.

This is what Allah says in the Qur'an:

"We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens: now We shall turn thee to a Qiblah (direction of prayer) that shall please thee. Turn then thy face in the direction of Masjidul Haraam: wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction." (Al-Qur'an 2:144)

format_quote Originally Posted by Hanan_x3
We're praying to God right?
Absolutely. We are not worshipping the Ka'bah, nor Masjidul Haram, nor Makkah, by facing it in prayer. We worship none but Allah. That is why, even if the Ka'bah is directly in front of us, we do not look at it, rather we look at the ground before us, as the focus of our prayer is never on any created object, but Allah alone.

format_quote Originally Posted by Hanan_x3
And God is everywhere.
No. He has knowledge of everything but is not physically everywhere. Allah is above the heavens, separate from the creation but among His creation by His Hearing (as-Samiee3), His Seeing (al-Baseer) and His Knowledge (al-3Aleem).

Evidence from Qur'an and hadeeth:

"Do you feel secure that He, Who is fis-sama (above the heavens), will not cause the earth to sink…Or do you feel secure that He, Who is fis-sama (above the heavens) will not send against you a violent whirlwind?" [67:16-17]

Abdullah ibn Amr ibn Al-As related that the Messenger said, "Allah grants mercy to the merciful. Be merciful to those who are on the earth, (then) He Who is fis-Sama (above the heavens) will be merciful to you." [Abu Dawood & At-Tirmidhi]

Muawiyah bin Al-Hakam As-Salmi said:

"I had a slave-girl who used to herd sheep for me. One day I discovered that a wolf had killed one of her sheep, and I'm a man from the children of Adam, I get upset like they get upset, and I slapped her in the face. Then I went to the Prophet who impressed upon me the seriousness of my act. I said, 'O Messenger of Allah, should I not set her free?' He said, 'Bring her to me.' He asked her, 'Where is Allah', She said, 'He is above the heavens.' He said, 'Who am I?' She said, 'You are the Messenger of Allah.' He said, 'Free her, for she is a believer.' (Muslim and Abu Dawud)

format_quote Originally Posted by Hanan_x3
So why pray towards a certain direction?
Because He is our Creator and our Lord, and that is what He has commanded us.

format_quote Originally Posted by Hanan_x3
Does our prayer not count if we don't pray towards Mecca?
All salaat must be prayed facing Makkah. So salaat will not count if willfully not prayed in that direction. The only exception being a traveller who cannot ascertain the direction.

format_quote Originally Posted by Hanan_x3
Ive heard the reason that its to unite the Muslims and whatnot
It is true that this does unite the Muslim ummah in their direction of worship. When we pray we know that all other Muslims all over the world from whatever country are praying facing the same direction. That is a great feeling of unity.

format_quote Originally Posted by Hanan_x3
because its in the center of the universe. I still dont get it. Muslims used to pray towards Jerusalem. But ii guess its becuz they dont wanna b like the Jews and Christians, so they changed it to Mecca.
Allah knows best as to the reason, but some of the reasons you've mentioned above may hold true.

Allah mentions in ayah 143 of Surah al-Baqarah, "....And We appointed the Qiblah which you formerly observed only that We might know him who follows the Messenger from him who turns on his heels...".

Concerning the revelation of the ayaat about the qiblah change:

  • The original appointment of Jerusalem as the qiblah for Muslim was a test for the Arabs who could not easily give up the Ka'bah they held dear. They were tried first. It was a hard test but the sincere believers passed.
  • Some people thought that Allah resided in Jerusalem and that a change of qiblah meant turning away from Him. Allah made clear in ayah 142 that "To Allah belong the East and the West". All belongs to Him, He does not reside in a particular city, and thus they were not turning away from him.
  • Some of the Jews and Christians who had embraced Islam at the time of the Prophet :saws: were put to the test. It was very difficult for them to accept any other qiblah than that of their forefathers. This test of qiblah change separated out the sincere Muslims.
  • The last Prophet before Rasoolullah :saws: was an Israelite, and as the Muslims qiblah had been Jerusalem, the Jews thought they were still superior and leaders of the people. The change of qiblah showed and emphasised that the leadership was no longer theirs, but that of the followers of Muhammad :saws:


So there were many reasons for the change historically at that time.

Also, when Prophet Ibrahim alayhissalaam and his son Ismaa'eel alayhissalaam built the Ka'bah in response to Allah's command, Ibrahim consecrated the House for the worship of the One True God and invited humanity to visit it for that purpose. Even today, Muslims who are physically and financially able have to make pilgrimage to it once in a lifetime.

The Ka'bah has remained at the centre of a continuous tradition of worship and devotion, up to the present day. Amongst the ancient religious rites particular to the Ka'bah is circumambulation (walking around it - tawaaf). We now know that creation is in fact always in a state of circumambulation: whether at the micro level, with the electrons that go round the nucleus of an atom, or at the mega level with the Earth and the other planets orbiting the Sun. As the nucleus is central to the functioning of the cell, as there would be complete darkness without the Sun, so Allah has appointed for us a central point, to go around when directly in front of it, and to face in prayer, when we are not. It symbolises the centrality of Allah to a Muslim's life. It suggests the integrating and unifying power of monotheism in human life and how a Muslim's life should revolve around a pure devotion to Allah. The Ka'bah symbolises the unity of all true religion, the brotherhood of all the prophets, and the essential consistency of their message.

format_quote Originally Posted by Hanan_x3
I dont see the reason to pray towards Mecca
I hope it's a little bit clearer now. What better place for Allah to choose?

Please ask if you have any other questions.
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Alpha Dude
06-12-2010, 11:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hanan_x3
Ive always wondered, why do we pray towards Mecca?
We're praying to God right? And God is everywhere. So why pray towards a certain direction?
Does our prayer not count if we dont pray towards Mecca?
1. We pray toward Mecca because that's what we have been told by the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
2. We listen to the Prophet's orders because we believe in his Prophethood.

Thirdly, I hope you haven't got prayer in this sense confused with dua (supplication/asking Allah for help), which is not restricted to the five times a day salah (prayer) and can be done at any time/place.

We're praying to God right? And God is everywhere. So why pray towards a certain direction?
Does our prayer not count if we dont pray towards Mecca?
No. It does not. There is something called fiqh which you need to learn.
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Muhammad
06-13-2010, 12:19 PM
Why was the Qiblah changed from Bayt al-Maqdis (Jerusalem) to the Ka’bah (Makkah)?

Praise be to Allaah.

When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came from Makkah to Madeenah, he used to face Bayt al-Maqdis when he prayed, and that remained the case for sixteen or seventeen months, as is proven in the two Saheehs (al-Bukhaari and Muslim), in the hadeeth of al-Baraa’ ibn ‘Aazib (may Allaah be pleased with him and his father), who said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) prayed towards Bayt al-Maqdis for sixteen or seventeen months, and he was hoping that the Qiblah would be towards the House (i.e., the Ka’bah)…”

Then after that Allaah commanded him to face the direction of the Ka’bah (the Sacred House), in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “… so turn your face in the direction of al-Masjid al-Haraam (at Makkah). And wheresoever you people are, turn your faces (in prayer) in that direction…” [al-Baqarah 2:144].

Before we answer the question about the wisdom behind this change, we must note the following points:
When we Muslims hear of a command from Allaah, we must accept it and submit to it, even if the wisdom behind it is not clear to us, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allaah and His Messenger have decreed a matter, that they should have any option in their decision…” [al-Ahzaab 33:36]

Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, does not give any command without there being great wisdom behind it – even if we do not understand it – as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “… That is the judgement of Allaah. He judges between you. And Allaah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.” [al-Mumtahinah 60:10]

Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, does not abrogate any rule except to replace it with something better or similar to it, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “Whatever Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allaah is able to do all things?” [al-Baqarah 2:106]

Having understood this, we may note that the wisdom behind the changing of the Qiblah has several aspects, including:

It is a test for the true believer, because the true believer, unlike others, accepts the commands of Allaah. Allaah has spoken of this in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning): “… And We made the Qiblah which you used to face, only to test those who followed the Messenger from those who would turn on their heels. Indeed it was great (heavy) except for those whom Allaah guided…” [al-Baqarah 2:143]

This ummah is the best of nations, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “You are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind…” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:110]. Confirming the aayat about the Qiblah, Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Thus We have made of you (true Muslims) a Wasat (just) (and the best) nation…” [al-Baqarah 2:143]. “Wasat” conveys meanings of justice and of being chosen. So Allaah has chosen for this ummah goodness in all things and the best commands and rules, and thus He chose for them the Qiblah of Ibraaheem, upon whom be peace.

Imaam Ahmad reported in his Musnad (6/134-135) from ‘Aa’ishah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said about the People of the Book (Jews and Christians): “They do not envy us for anything as much as they envy us for Yawm al-Jumu’ah (Friday), to which Allaah has guided us and from which they have gone astray, and for the Qiblah to which Allaah has guided us and from which they have gone astray, and for our saying ‘Aameen’ behind the imaam.” (For more information on this subject, please refer to Bada’i’ al-Fawaa’id by Ibn al-Qayyim, may Allaah have mercy on him, 4/157-174).

And Allaah knows best.


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abu salaahudeen
06-15-2010, 12:15 AM
is this argument used by non muslims to point out the 'deviation' of Islam?
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abz121
01-23-2011, 09:17 AM
Jazakallah very useful information
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nebula
01-23-2011, 11:49 AM
yeah its the focal point of worship
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Endymion
01-23-2011, 12:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hanan_x3
Ive always wondered, why do we pray towards Mecca?
We're praying to God right? And God is everywhere. So why pray towards a certain direction?
Does our prayer not count if we dont pray towards Mecca?

Ive heard the reason that its to unite the Muslims and whatnot because its in the center of the universe. I still dont get it. Muslims used to pray towards Jerusalem. But ii guess its becuz they dont wanna b like the Jews and Christians, so they changed it to Mecca.

I dont see the reason to pray towards Mecca, would it not b like the Christians praying towards the cross? Is it symbolic?
Just imagine we are in a Masjid and every person is offering prayer in different direction.What do you feel??
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MustafaMc
01-23-2011, 02:40 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Insaanah
The simple reason we pray facing towards Masjid al Haraam in Makkah is because it is the command of Allah, our Creator, Whom we worship. .... All salaat must be prayed facing Makkah. So salaat will not count if willfully not prayed in that direction. The only exception being a traveller who cannot ascertain the direction.
This is exactly correct and it is also the reason why we recite certain things and perform certain actions in salah. We follow the example of Muhammad (sal alahu alyhi wa salaam) in our worship as the only acceptable form of worship. To intentionally face other than Mecca in salah is akin to reciting the "Lord's Prayer" instead of Al-Fatiha or making the sign of the cross on ourselves instead of saying salam right and left upon its completion.
It is true that this does unite the Muslim ummah in their direction of worship. When we pray we know that all other Muslims all over the world from whatever country are praying facing the same direction. That is a great feeling of unity.
I just returned from hajj and I experienced that unity first hand. To be in Masjid Al-Haram and to pray with thousands of other Muslims performing exactly the same thing at exactly the same time was a most powerful experience of unity that can't be expressed in words.
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Perseveranze
01-23-2011, 02:49 PM
Asalaamu Alaikum,

It's just symbolic and a show of unity, we only pray to Allah(swt).

There's a Hadith I remember reading, where the Prophet(pbuh) said how it would be better for the Ka'ba to fall than the blood of a Muslim be spilt.

Edit, this is it; "Demolishing the Kaaba completely is much more preferred to Allah Almighty than shedding the blood of a Believing Muslim."
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mrashidhai
01-24-2011, 08:57 AM
When asked, how to pray, Hazrat Muhammad- peace be upon him- said, "pray as I do".

Hazrat Muhammad- peace be upon him- used to pray while facing towards Kaaba, as commanded by almighty Al
Therefore, no question of why.

Please don't be critical to every thing, at least where there are clear orders. Do ponder and question where it is required.
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Darth Ultor
05-11-2012, 03:49 PM
One question, though. What direction does a Muslim astronaut pray in while in space?
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marwen
05-11-2012, 04:07 PM
^ a muslim should try his best to find Qiblah direction. But if it's impossible for him, e.g. a man lost in the sea or in the desert, traped in a prison, or even out of this planet, he can pray in any direction. Because prayer is addressed to Allah, and wherever you turn you can find Allah's direction.

Quran, Chapter 2, verse 115 :
Unto Allah belong the East and the West, and whithersoever ye turn, there is Allah's Countenance. Lo! Allah is All-Embracing, All-Knowing. (115)
وَلِلَّهِ ٱلۡمَشۡرِقُ وَٱلۡمَغۡرِبُ*ۚ فَأَيۡنَمَا تُوَلُّواْ فَثَمَّ وَجۡهُ ٱللَّهِ*ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَٲسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ۬
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amirpalashi
11-11-2014, 06:29 PM
If I ask you, why are we perform salah (prayer)? I think you will surly answer because Allah ordered us. Allah no need our worship but we need worship to Him. Allah ordered us to pray towards mecca. so it is obligatory for us. Allah say details in the holy Quran in Sura Bakara (143)
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Muhaba
11-11-2014, 07:24 PM
One reason may be to make everything organized. imagine everyone praying in a different direction. It wouldn't be very impressive would it? It would also be a cause for fighting and arguments. For example, in a mosque, one person would say, 'we pray toward south' and another would say 'no, we will pray toward the north.' So by having one direction to pray in removes all those problems.
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greenhill
11-24-2014, 01:39 PM
There's something a guide told us when we, my family and I, did the umrah many years ago. We visited the mosque where the prophet performed his prayer and if I remember the story correctly, he was directed to change the qibla mid prayer. I believe the first 2 rakaah were facing Jerusalem but the next 2 were towards Kaabah. He went on to say, albeit in a joking manner, that we are not allowed to do that, even at that mosque.

He went on to say how it was divine knowledge that now we Muslims are not fighting with the Christians and the Jews for the sacred land. Imagine if Jerusalem was our qibla in this day and age. It would be an even worse situation there.

:peace:
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Ali Mujahidin
11-25-2014, 02:20 PM
When people pray together, they pray in the same direction. Doesn't matter what their religion is. Go to a Buddhist temple and you will see the monks chanting facing the same direction. Go to a church and you will see the congregation facing the same direction. So to pray together facing the right direction is nothing unique. Now why face the Qiblat? That's simple. Allah said so and the Holy Prophet did so.
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Bhatti22
08-02-2015, 11:29 AM
We Pray towards Mecca because Our beloved Prophet (P.B.U.H) said to us. He had desired to pray Namaz towards Mecca. So all Muslims follow him. Alhamdulillah. For more information join our Online Islamic Classes.
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ardianto
08-02-2015, 01:22 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Darth Ultor
One question, though. What direction does a Muslim astronaut pray in while in space?
This question has been answered by Muslim scholars in the modern day. If a Muslim astronaut cannot perform salah toward Makkah, then he can perform salah toward the direction where the spacecraft is facing. The evidence for this fatwa is this hadith.

From Abdullah bin Amir, from his father he said "I saw the Prophet Shalallohu alaihi wa sallam performed salah over his vehicle, regardless of the direction the vehicle was facing." (HR: Bukhari)


By the way, this is a video of a Muslim astronaut when he performed salah in outer space. Sheik Muszaphar Shukor Al Masrie, from Malaysia.

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umairlooms
08-12-2015, 10:38 AM
we will pray towards the Earth when we colonize outer space
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Abz2000
08-12-2015, 10:45 AM
anyone who's hit "edit mii" on a nintendo wii would understand - especially after they hit "formation".

https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Wii/Wii-C...el-621829.html
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nadinesauriol
10-24-2016, 06:47 AM
Makkah in Saudi Arabia is Muhammad's birthplace and the holiest city of Islam. In 610 CE, Muhammad received the first of his revelations from God on a mountain outside Makkah. All Islamic People are supposed to make the HAJJ at least once a lifetime, if they can.
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greenhill
10-24-2016, 01:18 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by nadinesauriol
Makkah in Saudi Arabia is Muhammad's birthplace and the holiest city of Islam. In 610 CE, Muhammad received the first of his revelations from God on a mountain outside Makkah. All Islamic People are supposed to make the HAJJ at least once a lifetime, if they can.
Not necessarily for the reason of it being nabi Muhammad's (saw) birth place, the Kaaba was built by nabi Ibrahim and nabi Ismael (peace be upon them both) way back then. I am also told also (though not verified) that it was where Adam (pbuh) first made a a house for Allah. So, in effect, nabi Ibrahim and Ismail (peace be upon them both) rebuilt it.


:peace:
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talibilm
10-24-2016, 02:38 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hanan_x3

I dont see the reason to pray towards Mecca, would it not b like the Christians praying towards the cross? Is it symbolic?
For the Believers there's no need of a reason to follow any of the commandments of Allah since what we hear we have to follow as in verse http://legacy.quran.com/24/51 and as well explained in post # 3 and others here. But its upto Allah , The All Powerful but The Merciful, for some commandments he gives reasons and for some he did not but what we see from hadiths and the noble Quran verses below is the Kaaba was the First house built ONLY for the worship of the One true Creator and it was built even before Adam and imo its was a TEST as in verse above http://legacy.quran.com/24/51 for our Prophet Muhammad :saws: to see his piety in adhering to the commandments of Allah not to turn to HIS MOST BELOVED Kaaba built by his own forefathers and most honoured predecessor Prophet Abraham & Ishmael unless ordered by Allah (given permission to turn from Al Aqsa from Jerusalem which was built much later) when he still know this was the Haq or the accepted obvious truth as seen in this verse .

2:144 '' We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.''


Others Verses about the Sanctity of the Kaaba are below from the Noble Quran

Noble Quran 3:96 ''Verily, the first House (of worship) appointed for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah), full of blessing, and a guidance for Al-'Alamin (the mankind and jinns).''

Note : the Valley of Bacca is mentioned in the Bible too

Noble Quran 22:26 '' And (remember) when We showed Ibrahim (Abraham) the site of the (Sacred) House (the Ka'bah at Makkah) (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me, [La ilaha ill-Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah Islamic Monotheism], and sanctify My House for those who circumambulate it''

Note : The remains of the foundation of the old kaaba was shown to Prophet Abraham that was destroyed in Noah's great Flood and the kaaba was built over the same .
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Al Sultan
10-24-2016, 08:05 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Insaanah

Muawiyah bin Al-Hakam As-Salmi said:

"I had a slave-girl who used to herd sheep for me. One day I discovered that a wolf had killed one of her sheep, and I'm a man from the children of Adam, I get upset like they get upset, and I slapped her in the face. Then I went to the Prophet who impressed upon me the seriousness of my act. I said, 'O Messenger of Allah, should I not set her free?' He said, 'Bring her to me.' He asked her, 'Where is Allah', She said, 'He is above the heavens.' He said, 'Who am I?' She said, 'You are the Messenger of Allah.' He said, 'Free her, for she is a believer.' (Muslim and Abu Dawud)

Wait what? The prophet was impressed because he slapped her? I'm confused..


and what if she said she doesn't know?..will she still be freed
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islamirama
10-24-2016, 08:40 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hanan_x3
Ive always wondered, why do we pray towards Mecca?
read this: https://islamqa.info/en/13932

We're praying to God right? And God is everywhere.
God is not everywhere. That is some other religion's belief. God is above His throne, above the 7 heavens.

read this: https://islamqa.info/en/11035

Does our prayer not count if we dont pray towards Mecca?
In order for prayer to be valid, it is stipulated that one should face towards the qiblah. If one does not pray facing towards the qiblah when one is able to do so, then the prayer is invalid, because Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):


“so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid- al-Haram (at Makkah). And wheresoever you people are, turn your faces (in prayer) in that direction”
[al-Baqarah 2:144].

read more here: https://islamqa.info/en/192773



I still dont get it. Muslims used to pray towards Jerusalem. But ii guess its becuz they dont wanna b like the Jews and Christians, so they changed it to Mecca.
No, has nothing to do with being like the people of the book. The Jerusalem Masjid was pure at that time so they prayed towards that. When the kabba was cleansed of the idols and purified then the direction was changed towards it.

When we Muslims hear of a command from Allaah, we must accept it and submit to it, even if the wisdom behind it is not clear to us, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allaah and His Messenger have decreed a matter, that they should have any option in their decision…” [al-Ahzaab 33:36]

read here: https://islamqa.info/en/1953

I dont see the reason to pray towards Mecca, would it not b like the Christians praying towards the cross? Is it symbolic?
No, read the first link given.
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anatolian
10-25-2016, 12:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
No, has nothing to do with being like the people of the book. The Jerusalem Masjid was pure at that time so they prayed towards that. When the kabba was cleansed of the idols and purified then the direction was changed towards it.
Muslims started to face towards Kaba before it was cleaned up after this ayah was revealed

2:177 It is not righteousness that you turn your faces towards the East and the West, but righteousness is this that one should believe in Allah and the last day and the angels and the Book and the prophets, and give away wealth out of love for Him to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and the beggars and for (the emancipation of) the captives, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate; and the performers of their promise when they make a promise, and the patient in distress and affliction and in time of conflicts-- these are they who are {rue (to themselves) and these are they who guard (against evil).
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